Intel 1.5... stinky!

[Miss winnie]

sigh... I bough my cpu just about 2 months ago and i'm finidn it a pain! i't so slow!!!! and it always freeze grrrrrr this is makin gme mad.. I spent so much on it and the point is that I got ripped off too haha:( :mad:

[RedDeathDrinker]

Now now....take it easy. We have ways of making it run better. What are the rest of your system specs?

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by Miss winnie
sigh... I bough my cpu just about 2 months ago and i'm finidn it a pain! i't so slow!!!! and it always freeze grrrrrr this is makin gme mad.. I spent so much on it and the point is that I got ripped off too haha:( :mad:


Are you really using a P4 1.5? kidding.. right? something tells me you are joking but I could be wrong.. :beer: :burn:

[Yodums]

Well.. Could be other problems you know the OS.. Software Conflicts..

[Miss winnie]

i'm serious! it's so stupid! always freeze I wished I got a hammer and smashed it up and buy a new one haha... sigh..:(

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Miss winnie
i'm serious! it's so stupid! always freeze I wished I got a hammer and smashed it up and buy a new one haha... sigh..:(


How do you know its the P4 though..
People here with the P4's have had a really good overclock with them and had no problems I really doubt it is the chip and thats it is some internal problem.

[Miss winnie]

m... because when I bought it, it says p4 :) unless the guy ripped me off hehe:burn:

[Yodums]

.. Your missing the point that the P4 always doesn't have to do with a bad performance it could be some internal conflicts.

[Miss winnie]

m... yes:burn:

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Originally posted by Miss winnie
m... yes:burn:

Heeheeheehee... :D :p :burn:

[The Coolest]

Could it be a temp problem???
My avatar says it all. I will allow an Intel only if its free!:D

Now seriously, what temp you got and what other specs? Like motherboard, video card, memory, etc.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Miss Winnie

I like your painting in the profile. Looks nice. You like my pic?:p :eek: :burn: :beer:

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Ol'man, check the private message.

[Miss winnie]

yes, your pic is pretty nice too :)

[trey_w]

man, i seriously doubt that you problem is with the P4

the freezing your having can be driver problems to memory problems

not saying it couldn't be your chip, but untill you eliminate other things its like a needle in a hay stack

my question to you is, are you mad that it keeps freezing or dissapointed that its not running as fast as you thought it would?

or both

also, whats it freezing on, benchmarks, games, or in general

so many possibilities

i have 2 P4's and they run just as good as most comps

DELL 1.4
Abit 1.7

i even hit 6680 in 3dmarks2001, and no overclocking with default settings

thats pretty good if you ask me from a stock computer

http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1656911

[Miss winnie]

both... sometimes I find it idel and doesn't do the task when I ask it to!

[trey_w]

one quick question, you are using pc 800 RDRAM right?

becasue i had pc 600 in my comp at first and i had similar problems

i wanted to throw it out the window

it made a huge difference

[Burning Phoenix]

I was thinking about this after reading the posts and i noticed you had bought the chip. So i guess you put in yourself? I never heard of anyone complaining about P4 chips freezing for no reason except maybe a problem elsewhere on the computer. But anyways here is my question. Knowing you put the chip in yourself did it come with a heatsink and fan? Hopefully you didn't buy an OEM without those needed items! Just wondering!

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by Miss winnie
i'm serious! it's so stupid! always freeze I wished I got a hammer and smashed it up and buy a new one haha... sigh..:(

Hey now, that's no joke. I just did that to a Compaq! I came across a P166 that a college was gonna toss, so I took it and combined some of the parts from the Compaq (like it's P200 processor) and made once decent computer for my mom. Then I OCed it to 225 (come on, you think I could let this go without OCing it???). Runs great now. Anyway, I took the old mobo from the Compaq and smashed the crap out of it. Put it out of it's misery. A fitting end, that's what I say. I'll post a pic of it as soon as the battery in my digital camera recharges.

[Miss winnie]

hehe that's a good idea.. But my comp is newly bought.. so the parts can't be tat bad.. I mean GeForce TnT 2.. ok so it's old.. but it's not that bad.. dont' understand why it is so unstable.. and I use Bus Ram:mad:

[Miss winnie]

So what do you think is the major problem with my comp here? RAM?.... I have no idea..

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Miss Winnie,

How long have u been using that comp since you bought it? Have you done defraging the hard drive?..
Have you done a lot of installing/uninstalling programs, lots of downloads, etc..? Over a period of time, this registry mess get build up and the system slows down quite a bit.
You might want to start with defraging the HD or do complete reformat the HD and fresh install the Operating system.

In addition, you can try some benchmark software like Sisoft Sandra. Run the benchmark on your system.. your CPU, RAM, Hard Drive, etc. If you get extremely low score on the Hard drive, you might want to just reformat the whole thing.

About the RAM.. I can't say much about it since your motherboard is probably limited to what kind of other RAM it may take and could run into incompatibility issue. you can't do much there I don't think..
And how much RAM do you have in there and what operating system are u running?
:beer: :burn:

[Miss winnie]

i Am using a 256MB busRam.. and also using windows 98... I want to upgrade to XP but then I don't want to format the comp.. I used this "new" comp for about 2 months I think and no, I haven't been insatlling and downlaoding a lot of prgrams then

[[OC]_SR20DE]

hmm... looks like everything is good there.. Two months is good.. not long. Your registry should be not bad either. I donno why your system keeps freezing and slow downs.. strange huh?..

I'm starting to run out of ideas to help u out here.. hopefully somebody else will pop up and give u some goodie info.

sorryyyy :beer: :burn:

[Miss winnie]

it's okay u've been great :):D

[batboy]

Those P-4 CPUs are very good and I highly doubt it's the actual problem. Ok, first things first. In order to track down the instability problem, you have to start eliminating factors that might be suspect. The first thing is to run scandisk on your harddrive and then defrag the drive. If you can get a hold of Norton Utilities, then use Win Doctor to clean up any Windows registry errors. After all that is done, next go to "control panel", "system", and then "device manager" under Windows and see if you have any hardware conflicts that need resolved. Conflicts will usually be indicated by a yellow triangle next to the offending device with a "!" or a "?" in the triangle.

The next step and the one that might really be the source of the problem, is to work on better cooling. If the computer is running too hot then you'll experience instabiliy for sure. Those P-4's have speed throttling which means if it is running too hot, the CPU starts running slower and slower to prevent heat damage to the core. You are complaining the computer freezes up and runs slow which suggests a cooling problem in my humble opinion.

Now, what to do to obtain better cooling? Several things actually. First thing I'd recommend is a better CPU cooler because I suspect you have the Intel retail heatsink and fan. Before you run out and buy a good CPU cooler, you must figure out if you have a 423 pin or a 478 pin P-4. Since you've had this for a couple months, my guess is that it's a 423 pin CPU. If you get a new cooler, do not use that crappy heat tape or heat pad that often comes with CPU coolers. Use a good thermal paste instead.

If buying a new cooler is not an option, then I would recommend removing the CPU heatsink and cleaning the crappy heat pad that's probably on it off, applying a good thermal paste (like Arctic Silver), then carefully reinstalling the heatsink again. If you have never done this before, hopefully you can find someone to help you, or we can try to walk you through the procedure. Good contact between the heatsink and the CPU core using thermal paste is critical.

Ok, next you may consider adding an extra case fan or two to increase air circulation throughout the computer case. Having intake fans bringing fresh cool air in (usually in the front) and exhaust fans blowing hot air out (usually out the back) is very important for cooling. I hope this might help you get started with your troubleshooting and fixing the problem. Good luck Miss Winnie.

[Miss winnie]

k.. Thanks! I will do as you say..... :

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Miss winnie
k.. Thanks! I will do as you say..... :

Windows 98?

Suggest you go with Windows XP since it is a 64 Bit Processor, and Windows XP is a 64 bit os, so you get more out of it.

Rather than that backup and try reformating.

[jazztrumpet216]

Yup, Windows XP is a must. My P4 is running ME and boy is it slow. My Celeron system outbenches it. That's cause the P4 is a 64 bit processor on a 32 bit operating system. The Celeron is a 32 bit processor on a 32 bit operating system. Once I get XP, which I intend to do soon, I'm sure my benchmarks will improve (and beat those smelly 32 bit Athlon XP's, heh heh heh).

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Yodums


Windows 98?

Suggest you go with Windows XP since it is a 64 Bit Processor, and Windows XP is a 64 bit os, so you get more out of it.

Rather than that backup and try reformating.


Uh the PIV is a 64bit cpu like the ITANIUM??????????????????? Are you sure man? Also you say winxp is 64bit. I think you have got that mixed up too. I am going to post a pic of the PIV data sheets. I can't find anything relating the PIV to 64 bit operation but I can see it explains how it is optimized for 32bit instructions. I am pretty sure the PIV is a 32bit chip as also xp being a 32bit OS. I think they have a 64bit XP OS in the works but you can't have both but the AMD hammer is supposed to run 64bit just fine as also 32bit. If you want a 64bit chip right now I think the itaniums were $2000 on pricewatch last I checked.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by jazztrumpet216
Yup, Windows XP is a must. My P4 is running ME and boy is it slow. My Celeron system outbenches it. That's cause the P4 is a 64 bit processor on a 32 bit operating system. The Celeron is a 32 bit processor on a 32 bit operating system. Once I get XP, which I intend to do soon, I'm sure my benchmarks will improve (and beat those smelly 32 bit Athlon XP's, heh heh heh).

Actually win2k runs windows code supposedly faster than XP and is the fastest windows OS right now. All XP is really is win2k with some pretty eye candy on the screen for ya. I run win2k and with service packs which are free downloads I guess you can run most to all win95 ans 98 games on it. I run descent3 on my win2k box and it does just fine. You can even get a geforce tweaker to run in win2k. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Win2k besides winXP to most people are the most stable OS's available. Some say XP is a little more stable than win2k but not by much I guess. IF iwere anyone getting a new OS these days I would look for a school edition of win2k pro. That is what I did and it only cost me $100. Nice thing about it is that I guess ripped software like msconfig from XP and other stuff will work on win2k. So you find someone with winXP and you have 2k and you could have the best of both worlds, reliability and speed. Also with winXP home you can only support single processors. You would need winXP pro to use both cpu's, with win2k you can use 2 cpus if you like. The other kicker about winXP is that you can't do too much to your system before you have to reactivate your OS through M$ and until then you will be locked out of your machine and I think in the end most likely will have to reinstall your OS anyway. I don;t like that. I like to be able to run my HD back and forth between two systems if I have to cause I am having trouble with one. If so I can take the win2k HD and put it into another machine without a hicup. You wont be able to do that with XP. Once it is installed on that machine it is done. You can change I think hardware 7 times with out the reactiviation but if you forget how many ti9mes you have changed a stick of ram or replaced a vidcard one of those times it will lock up on you and you will lose everything. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it. They just implimented this activation thing for XP and it has been standard for MS Office since Office2000 came out.

[sfa ok]

The P4 is NOT a 64 bit processor. I don't know where people got this idea, but I've seen it a lot. It is 32 bit. Itanium is 64, and costs a whole lot!!

[ol' man]

Originally posted by ol' man



Uh the PIV is a 64bit cpu like the ITANIUM??????????????????? Are you sure man? Also you say winxp is 64bit. I think you have got that mixed up too. I am going to post a pic of the PIV data sheets. I can't find anything relating the PIV to 64 bit operation but I can see it explains how it is optimized for 32bit instructions. I am pretty sure the PIV is a 32bit chip as also xp being a 32bit OS. I think they have a 64bit XP OS in the works but you can't have both but the AMD hammer is supposed to run 64bit just fine as also 32bit. If you want a 64bit chip right now I think the itaniums were $2000 on pricewatch last I checked.

Hey sfa ok, I thought I made that clear here before your statement;)

[sfa ok]

You did, I'm just restating, I've seen this debate before, and people tend not to belive it if there's only one person disagreeing with them. :)

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by sfa ok
You did, I'm just restating, I've seen this debate before, and people tend not to belive it if there's only one person disagreeing with them. :)

Heh, you're right, I didn't believe it from one person. So I looked it up on the Intel website, and sure enough, I started reading about this microburst architecture or whatever being the fastest IA32 processor. WHOOPS. Sorry guys.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by sfa ok
You did, I'm just restating, I've seen this debate before, and people tend not to belive it if there's only one person disagreeing with them. :)

Yeah thanks man. I ain't always right either, although I may talk like I am:D

Sometimes the next day after I post some stuff I go back and read it and kick my self for being such a idiot.

[Yodums]

I just got the face that is a 64 bit processor because the hell its everywhere!

[Miss winnie]

I heard that XP can't support lots of applications.. is this true?

[funnyperson1]

it doesnt support the same apps that Win2k didnt, so if you have win2k, its the same incompatibility issues, i havent come across anything incompatible yet, except for Creative Launcher (thats just because i have a PCI 512, i think it should work fine if you have a live)