new rad idea.

[fireandice]

ok i was thinking how to cram a big rad into a small space. then i saw on tv a program about moonshine. i seen the copper coil and it got me thinking what if we used a coil for a rad.

the idea would be kinda like the fins on the zalman VF900. the rad would be then incased in a protective tube and a 1200mm fan at the openeing to blow cold air down the tube into the middle of all the rad fins.

the advantages i can see would be a bigger rad in a smaller space. the fins would all be protected as well as the rad. so putting a hole in it and bending the fins would be much harder to do. the dead spot on fans in the middle of the hub wouldent matter any more.

the downsides. the bends could hurt flow and would need strong punps to be efftive. would need high cfm fans. maybe 2 low cfm fan in a push pull my be enought.


this is prob. a dumb idea but i havent see any rads like this and it may be a nice rad for media center pc's and cases that dont have much room.

[SolidxSnake]

Only problem I could think of is it'd be restrictive.

[fireandice]

yeah but not to bad if you got a good pump.

[Ocme]

ftw... best radiator for low restriction is a PA120.3

[hotrod469]

It is very restrictive! I had to add a second pump just to "push" the water through 20 feet of copper coil (3/8 OD).

[fireandice]

well i now had 3 D5's so i should have no problem with pump power lol.

[dlavrenz]

3 D5's?!?! Wow that is cool... how do they work alltogether?

[fireandice]

lol im just saying i got 2 not all hooked up lol i just got 1 powering my rig now lol i was thinoking about slaping a 2nd d5 so i can get a nice vortex in my res lol.

[wun911]

I think its a good idea!!!
If its too restricive just get copper tubes that have a 1 inch ID.
If its too long and holds too much water just cut it shorter.
If its too big and bulky coil it a little tighter.

[fireandice]

i got some ideas on how i could make a prototype it will just take a while makeing the fines. its going to be all copper and about 120mm dia. the front with be a old 120mm fan with the inside cout out so i can screw a fan to it and the back will also be like that.


now if i can make a size that will cool a high end oc'ed cpu and 2vga's and restrict it all to heck i think it might be a cool rad.


another upside i could see would be lan partys. mount it out side and trasporting wopuldent beat up your rad


when i get my proto type worked out and a sample made i'll test it with 1 D5 2 maze 4's and a storm on a FX-62 and 2 6800 ultras and maybe 2 7900gtx ko's if i can use my buddys cards.. i'll post temps compared to a normal rad. and then when my rad i made. also i mesure the flow via flow indacator and a rc plane rpm reader. "use to mesue the props rpm" should work if now anyone else got any ideas how i could mesure the flow?


personaly if this idea works out i think it would be a great product for proformance, space saveing and durability. if anyone wants to improve on this go ahead.

[hotrod469]

I think its a good idea!!!
If its too restricive just get copper tubes that have a 1 inch ID.
If its too long and holds too much water just cut it shorter.
If its too big and bulky coil it a little tighter.
lol.....Coil 1 inch copper tubing

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

Interesting... You could make some really cool designs with a tubed rad :) Wrap the outside of it in lightweight aluminum and you can cut some cool designs into the alum. and run a cold cathode or LED strip down the middle of the copper coils. I think it would look cool reflecting off all of the copper tubes

[fireandice]

ok i did some 3/8th id tubeing and it wasent fun but i got it coiled and hooked it up and but with that some tubeing about as much used in a case and a storm it still had really good flow. i need to test with to gpu blocks to make shure the flow is still ok if it goes well i'll start soldering ont he fins. that might take a while since i'llneed to stamp all the fins out of thin copper. lucky i have a buddy who works at a force and runs a press and said he could stamp themm out for me for free :)

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

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PICS

:)

[fireandice]

no digital cam here any more. my cvs 1 time use modded cam to keep useinf finly died so i need to get a cam from one of my friends.

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

:gasp

No camera phone either?

I would also like to know how you modded a 1 time use camera. Lol, the only mod i know how to do with those things is to make a tazer. And oh boy, are those mods fun ;)

[FooTemps]

I actually thought about the spiral radiator too. I drew up a design when I was thinking of a way to build a somewhat mobile (DTR) laptop watercooling system.

[clocker2]

ok i was thinking how to cram a big rad into a small space. then i saw on tv a program about moonshine. i seen the copper coil and it got me thinking what if we used a coil for a rad.
You've been watching too much PBS...it's summertime, why aren't you outside playing kickball?

the idea would be kinda like the fins on the zalman VF900. the rad would be then incased in a protective tube and a 1200mm fan at the openeing to blow cold air down the tube into the middle of all the rad fins.
What fins?

the advantages i can see ...
A coiled tube, all by itself, would make for a terrible radiator.
A.) It would be unfeasably restrictive, only getting worse as the coil got longer.
B.) The surface to volume ratio is bad, again, only getting worse as the tubing gets bigger.
C.) How do you plan on installing/adhering "fins" to the tubing once coiled?

If you study (or at least ponder) what it is about the design of a normal radiator that makes it effective, I think you'll realize that we aren't flooded with "coiled tube" radiator designs for a reason.
Even Thermaltake doesn't make one- that should tell you something....

[striker85]

^^^^ Whatever, just make it and see what happens. I'd like to see a comparison between a decently planned out and constructed coil radiator and a heater core or similar radiator.

[aaronjb]

^^^^ Whatever, just make it and see what happens. I'd like to see a comparison between a decently planned out and constructed coil radiator and a heater core or similar radiator.

"Whatever, just build the bridge this way and see what happens." That's some solid engineering!

A coil tube radiator would not be very effective. Radiators have been used in thousands of different applications in different industries for decades, and computer water coolers build on that knowledge.

Even the most "decently planned out and constructed" coil radiator is not really a radiator at all. The properties of physics and thermodynaics hold true regardless of the application.

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

Poo. Your all party poopers. We all KNOW its not gonna work the best.. But it sure could look cool, and makes for a fun thing to play around with. So... Why not? And plus, you never know untill you try.

[Elif Tymes]

What was extremely interesting was the Copper Coiled Water Blocks that were being designed by a member here for some time... Not sure if he's making them anymore, but they looked incredible.

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

^^^^^ yes, they looked amazing. Lol, but did they work?

[fireandice]

it could be better than a normal rad. could be worse or it could be equal we wont know untill we try it. even if the temps are not as good as a typical rad it could be great for pc's with hardly any room for a rad.


the key reason for this was to make a durable rad that could be transported and not really have to worry about getting a hole in it if smacked around a little and to save some space. major proformance gaines of normal rads wasent the key point for it.

[fireandice]

anyone got pics of those blocks? im intrested in seeing one.

[hotrod469]

Read post #5....I have tried it, it works Ok just not as good as a rad and is very restrictive. It is fun to make stuff like that.

[fireandice]

well i got some fins workd out just gotta have my buddy make them then put them on the pipes. that would be cery time consumeing. probly about 3 days of work for the fins.