ATI Driver Issues (2D to 3D clocks)

[deathman20]

Ok finally decided to upgrade from 6.3's to 6.7's. In doing so I dropped ATITool, installed ATITray Tools (to monitor temps/clock switch) and flashed the bios to accept new fan speeds, clocks, and the voltage drop on the GPU.

My problem now, well its not kicking in from 2D to 3D.

I enabled the the 2 services again, cleaned drivers and registery when I updated.

Guess the question is maybe did I flash wrong. Theres 2 OC functions in RaBit and I just did the last one (the one that actually switched settings).

So can someone help me with this possibley?

[deathman20]

Been playing with it a while longer and still have the same issue. With either CP or CCC.

Now both clock options in RaBit for OCing or the 3D mode, is now set to the same setting yet its not being enabled stuck at 500/600 base clocks.

Think there might of been a registery setting that could of been deleted or gotten rid of some how that would control this? The hotpiller service is enable and I see the .exe file running in the background.

[vixro]

When I had this problem using Rabit, the only fix was to uninstall CCC, then uninstall the drivers. Then use DC Pro in safe mode to clear the drivers AND CCC. Only then, after reinstalling the drivers, would overdrive see my new clocks.

[deathman20]

Hmmm overdrive sees the clocks in the control center but it just doesn't activate when going into 3D mode.

I'll try whipping them again, can't hurt.

[vixro]

If it sees the clocks in overdrive but isn't activating them, the poller is still disabled somehow.

[deathman20]

Going to do a nice cleanin and see if it fixes the problem, cleaning all cab files, deleting everything out of the registery, uninstalling ATITool, and ATITray Tools, anything really to do with it.

BTW Just noticed your score in 3dMark 06. Don't you think thats a little low?

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=372288 Scored higher then you using whats in my sig.

[deathman20]

Ok did all that again.... Still not switching to 3D mode when hitting an application.

Rather strange I say. Its one of the reasons why I haven't decided to upgrade drivers because for some strange reason my system doesn't want to use the 3D clocks. But now that I'm here I might as well find out why its doing it and fix it and that does not include the typical response around here of reinstalling that isn't an option.

[vixro]

Going to do a nice cleanin and see if it fixes the problem, cleaning all cab files, deleting everything out of the registery, uninstalling ATITool, and ATITray Tools, anything really to do with it.

BTW Just noticed your score in 3dMark 06. Don't you think thats a little low?

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=372288 Scored higher then you using whats in my sig.

Your core is 15mhz higher, also, your card scores are higher, my CPU score is higher than yours (around 2100). If YOU know, tell ME. ;) What settings were you using when you ran the test? (in ccc) What are your memory timings also (on the card, you can find them in Rabit).

edit: also, how do you know you aren't hitting 3d speeds? Your 3dmark score was achieved with the new drivers and it looks to me like you were getting the clocks..

[deathman20]

Your core is 15mhz higher, also, your card scores are higher, my CPU score is higher than yours (around 2100). If YOU know, tell ME. ;) What settings were you using when you ran the test? (in ccc) What are your memory timings also (on the card, you can find them in Rabit).

edit: also, how do you know you aren't hitting 3d speeds? Your 3dmark score was achieved with the new drivers and it looks to me like you were getting the clocks..

Well memory timings Going right down RaBiT's list
11, 10, 6, 9, 9, 13, 0x1D, 0x20

Core might be 15Mhz higher then yours but your memory is 25Mhz mroe then mine basically. Oh and how I hit those speeds, no driver tuning there all default to what CCC and that came with, not doing anything special with the setup and its coming up on 1 year since I reinstalled.

Not hitting 3D speeds due to 3D mark scores being way below average. Actually not sure how I got that score probably before I switched to what I have currently (using ATITool) but not sure since I can't replicate it. What I'm getting in 3D marks though right now is 4922 in 06 and 9990 in 05. Besides the fact ATITray Tools and RivaTuner arn't picking up voltage, or clock change in the cards with there monitoring software.

Heres an example for 06... heck nearly neck and neck with my old X1800XL.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=415114
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=131222

I should be scoring into the high 5k's or low 6k's though in 06 with 05 I should be getting around 12k, not 9k's

[vixro]

Yea, you aren't getting the clocks if you're at 5k. Your video RAM timings are much lower than mine are, blah. Did you happen to save the original bios of the card? Would you be able to send it to me? I have 1.1ns RAM, yet I have been unhappy with the overclockability and performance of it to be honest.

As you can see: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=415130

my cpu score is a bit higher than yours, but my other scores that are video related are struggling. When I go to 655mhz on the core, I crash, when I go to 780 on the memory, I crash. :(


edit: this wouldn't be a "true" solution as it's a pretty hard modded one, but you can make your default clocks the 3d settings you want to use in Rabit.

[deathman20]

Yea, you aren't getting the clocks if you're at 5k. Your video RAM timings are much lower than mine are, blah. Did you happen to save the original bios of the card? Would you be able to send it to me? I have 1.1ns RAM, yet I have been unhappy with the overclockability and performance of it to be honest.

As you can see: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=415130

my cpu score is a bit higher than yours, but my other scores that are video related are struggling. When I go to 655mhz on the core, I crash, when I go to 780 on the memory, I crash. :(


edit: this wouldn't be a "true" solution as it's a pretty hard modded one, but you can make your default clocks the 3d settings you want to use in Rabit.

Ya I got my original still. I'll send it send it to you when I get home. PM me your e-mail addy (also I'll send the one Im using right now as well).

I have 1.1ns ram also (don't know if I mentioned that) and well ya I'm basically stuck at this speed.

Ya I was thinking about that til at least I figure out whats going on (since its an easy thing to do) it just uses more power thats all at idle which I'd prefer not to do. But can't hurt to try it out at least to see if it is taking action.

Edit: Besides the fact of running higher voltage long term (compared to idling voltage), think it would harm the card running it at said 3D voltage all the time? 1.4V is below stock voltage but its still higher then 1.175V 2D voltage.

[vixro]

Honestly? I don't know. Don't nvidia cards run at full speed at all times? Didn't old generations of ATI cards run at those voltages 24/7 when running?

YGPM.

[deathman20]

Ya but at these voltages thats the real question, does idle quiet cool though. Anyways you got mail :)

[deathman20]

Well forcing it to that works :)

Hovers around 50C - 52C idle. Not horrible I guess for a room temp of 83F.

So it runs a little warm but also if not mistaken I'm putting an extra .025V into it which I know it can easily do this clock at and im sure if I drop it to really 1.4V it will work but going to reinstall ATITool to double check and make sure its reading right to what I use to have.

Edit: NM its running exactly where it should be. Time to run some benches to make sure.

[deathman20]

Well its working now :) Slightly low on the scores but forgot to kill a few monitoring programs in the background 5,865 in 06. So right in the mix again excellent. Now only to figure out why the 2D to 3D switch won't work.

[vixro]

I am looking at your bios right now and will flash it to my card in a moment to see what I can achieve. :)

[vixro]

Still stuck at the same scores. 6,031 with your timings and my clocks. *shrug*

edit: okay, but not stuck at the same clocks with your bios. I just ran 06 with 650/792.... Although my score was only 6,079. It's possible I'm being CPU limited now (crazy!). maybe I can squeeze some juice out of the core.


What the hell did you put in that bios, crack? rofl. yours was revision 106 and mine was 104, so I think it had some upgrades in it damn. I was able to run 06 with 662/792. Going to try for some more... :o (6,121 score)


edit: again!!!!

675/792 -- 6,172. Still trying to find a wall... :o wow? this is at the default voltage (1.45v according to Rabit). all i did was take your default bios, put 100% fan speed, and overclock inside overdrive.

[vixro]

Okay, that bios hit a wall around 675/792 for benchmarks, and about 666/792 for gaming. (crashed at 675/792 playing BF2 for an hour).

I searched the web and found something interesting. A toxic bios (the overclocked XTX bios from Sapphire), modified with lower ram timings for 1.1ns ram users. I flashed with Winflash 1.06 and bam. 675/801. 6,206 was my 3dmark score.

The user said he used Rabit 2.0 to modify the bios, and it looks like the switch works with it. For some reason, when you modify the GPU voltages or edit the speed with Rabit 2.1, the clocks won't show up in windows or switch to them when they do show up. I used your normal bios, with overclocks in overdrive and it worked great. I know you want the lower voltages, and it looks like youre going to have to use a 3rd party program to do it, because the bios isn't working right.

If you want to try the toxic bios, its 675/801 and tighter timings than the normal bios. It does run at 1.425v though I believe, and it's modified to fit Accelero users with the fan timings.

http://rapidshare.de/files/22676263/toxic_better_timings.rom.html

i suggest using Winflash 1.06 so you can "force" the flash, as it's a different part number and won't be universal like our HIS bioses were.

edit: no good for me. only got 15 minutes of BF2 before it froze and VPU recover kicked in. about 45 minutes less than my 675/792.

Gonna screw around with it a bit more, probably kick in some more volts

edit: Done messing with all this crap. I can't set my clocks in the bios like I want to. I have to set it to default to get the clocks I want all the time. If I change the 3d clock in Rabit, then flash it, overdrive just sees 500 and 600 on both of them. doesn't even see the 3d clock. if i take any stock bios and flash it, then it takes the clocks, whether it be xtx or xtx OC'd, it can't be something modified. So, looks like I'm going back to your BIOS, with some modified clocks VIA overdrive and 100% fan speeds. So, thank you for the bios, it increased my clocks, but sucks on the rest of the ****, because I'm just as stuck as you are now.

[deathman20]

Hmmm I'll try my default bios again and see if just reflashing it will work. If anything I'll keep the 1.45V stock volts (reads 1.425V from card) and just run with it from there.

I can't use the XTX bios due to well my ram is limited to 751.5Mhz damn thing.

[deathman20]

Well tried a few more things....

Lower volts suppositly will work going to try to keep them at the default currently and see how the tempatures work from there on. Heres what I did.

Reflashed original bios: No go on 3D clock switch
Flashed Toxic Bios: Works going into 3D mode with instant lockup basically (ram is artifacting right away)
Flashed Oirginal Bios w/ fan speed modifications: Works!!!
Flashed Original Bios: Works also!

What ever the toxic bios did it is now allowing 3D switches.

Getting my nice scores with 675/756 clocks @ 5,960 in 06 (right in line what I should be getting at 2.52Ghz)

[vixro]

Nice job, and yea, I think flashing to an entirely new bios and then back again makes it so you get everything where it was supposed to be again. I believe winflash only flashes changes, which is why that could have been a problem. So, change everything, then change it all back and bam, like new!! :P Try and play with 675mhz on the core, like BF2 or a graphical game. It took me about 15 minutes, but eventually I did lock up. (1 hour the first time).

[deathman20]

Nice job, and yea, I think flashing to an entirely new bios and then back again makes it so you get everything where it was supposed to be again. I believe winflash only flashes changes, which is why that could have been a problem. So, change everything, then change it all back and bam, like new!! :P Try and play with 675mhz on the core, like BF2 or a graphical game. It took me about 15 minutes, but eventually I did lock up. (1 hour the first time).

I know my core @ 675 is perfectly fine with default voltage :)

Just played 1 hour of hitman blood money and not a problem. Then again it didn't even break 70C (80% fan speed) it was sitting around 68-69C (70% fan speed). Give it time and I'll try some other games out, I'd try obilivion which I know I'd get glitches with it being out of spec quickly (and not crash) but I'm trying other games out currently ;)

Oh btw I did an ati flash in the bios for the toxic bios so that might of had something to do with it due to I couldn't even open winflash with my previous bios in windows gave me an ugly pink screen.

[Violator]

If it's not switching to 3D speeds, make sure your ATi HotKey Poller service is enabled. Otherwise it will lock at 2d speeds.

[vixro]

When I flashed the new things with the Overdrive #2 setting, they wouldn't show up at all, even with the poller enabled. it just showed 500 and 600 as the requested settings. Also, when I tried to change the settings, the check box for "3d programs only" turned grey and stayed unchecked until I hit apply, which always crashed me because it was running at 2d volts. yet, when I flash without changing drivers or hotkey, to a default set, the requested mhz are there.

[deathman20]

Ya its wierd, someone in anoyhter forum mentioned that it could possibley deal with a check sum or a % of the stock clock that it works with in the bios to obtain the correct clocks and RaBiT doesn't do that yet.

BTW Violator, I did mention that all ATI services where enabled above ;)

Hmmm think the next thing I'm going to do is tighten the ram timings up, if my XL's 1.4ns ram could do 730Mhz with default XT ram Volts well damn this 1.1ns ram should hopfully meet near that.