I need your help!!!

[funnyperson1]

ok , i need something to prove to intel that in fact the tualatin Celeron is compatible with the Iwill BD133U they say that unless Iwill specifically says that the tualatin is compatible with my cpu they wont let me rma it...

[LutaWicasa]

Look Here (http://www.iwillusa.com/products/spec.asp?ModelName=BD133u&SupportID=)

[funnyperson1]

i did , and so did the Intel rep i talked with, but that isnt enough proof for intel as the Celeron 1.2 is the newest CPU and they think it may not be compatible and the Iwill site does not specifically say that the Celeron Tualatin is compatible, just the PIII....there is also a bios revision which says it includes support for a new Celeron, but how would i change the bios if i cant boot up???

[LutaWicasa]

Put a different chip in to flsh the bios. Ummm........why are ya rma'ing the Cellie ??

[Yodums]

Originally posted by LutaWicasa
Put a different chip in to flsh the bios. Ummm........why are ya rma'ing the Cellie ??

The reason he wants to RMA it because he bought it from GoogleGear.com and it was recieved and the motherboard didn't boot up with that chip but did boot with a Celeron II 700 or so since they didn't have the new Tualatin's..

So he didn't want to send it back to GoogleGear since they most likely wouldn't send it back so he RMA'd it to Intel..

I don't see why the Intel rep is denying that the board supports the 1.2 Tualatin..


The new bios does say its compatible with the new Tualatin's...
I'm guessing it won't work until you flash it.. I don't know if I am correct but you can probably insert a low chip like the Celly 700 and then flash from there stick in your chip..

Also try mailing iWill and trying to talk with them.

[funnyperson1]

yeah, heh, me and my dad are cheap so i mailed Iwill to see if its compatible before, itake it back to the local store and have them flash the bios (none of my friends in the area have PIIIs, all of them were cheap and got 800 slot a athlons).....but if anyone wants to mail me an FCPGA celly or PIII,feel free :cool:.....

also all iwill says is that the board supports The Tualatin PIIIs and nutting bout the cellys, so ill just have to wiat for their reply....

[LutaWicasa]

Wish ya lived closer, I'd bring my Cel 566 over to flash ya. I ain't mailin' it anywhere :D

[funnyperson1]

heh, thanks for the offer.....:D ...guess ill wait for the Iwill mail...

[Rmcky]

Well, I'm not in a position to send you a chip to flash with, I don't think. Where are you located? But, I am in a position to test your Tualatin, if that would help. Actually, I do have a couple of Coppermine chips, but I don't really know you, so I don't think I would send either of them on a prayer. Here again, where are you located, because I've got a couple of free days coming this week and if you happen to be within a hundred miles from Jxn, MS, I can help you out.

Rick

[funnyperson1]

well i live in Northern,VA, so i dont think driving here is an option, and i dont blame you for not wanting to send your stuff over the mail, i know id be skeptical.....im surprised that you guys are so nice to think of it anywayz...thanks a lot.....hopefully ill find someone in my area.....or ill just pay the 30 bucks at the store....might as well get my own celly then :(..

[LutaWicasa]

$30 just to flash a bios?? Hey, I'm in the wrong business :D

[Yodums]

30 big ones!?!!!

Well, yes I'd feel worried about sending a chip just to flash eheh ..

Well whats the local store you went to to test your mobo?

See if you can bargain with them trying to reduce it to like 10-15 dollars or something.

[ol' man]

Dude I am telling ya those IWILL's are buggy. I have seen a few people have problems with them. You should never have told Intel you were using it on the IWILL board. You should have said you were using it on one of their crappy fcpga2 boards{not that you should lie or anything;)}.

Anyway I still say there may be nothing wrong with your chip and it may be the buggy BD133u. I know someone who can't use one of his ram slots with his tualatin in his BD133u but big deal I guess he has two more. If it becomes a problem for him he said he would RMA the board. These new .13u chips got some quirks in them maybe all the MOBO makers haven't completely sorted out yet. My TUSL-2 booted up my 1.2 as a 133MHz chip. Luckily it booted the bios but any further than that no go. Maybe that is what the BD133u is doing. Does it have dip switches and can you manually set the FSB to 100MHz? I spose I am not helping your situation but I would for sure have a computer shop test the cpu in a fcpga2 board before you RMA it. If you don't want to do that I guess you can lie to intel and tell them you went and got one of their crappy fcpga2 boards and the cpu still didn't work. I am sure you will need all the info about the mobo too so it is best to have all that info ready. Maybe buy a fcpga2 mobo and bring it back when you are done. Find a place with no restocking fee's. I don't know man you are in a pickel here. Can you actaully go buy a fcpga2 Intel board that is compatible with that celery anywher in town? If so maybe do that for now then after a week or a day bring it back but keep the packaging the same and don't rip or tear the box. That way they can't tell you they won't take it back. Then you will know for sure it is the chip and not a buggy board. I know you have said you have had a different chip work in the bd133u but as I have been saying that doesn't mean squat. These FCPGA2 chips got different switches and setting and maybe the BD133u isn't picking them up but it is picking up the FCPGA chips. I am sure IWILL tests each board before they send them out. What if they only were testing with FCPGA chips and not the FCPGA2 chips. That would explain how it got out the door, right.

[funnyperson1]

well i dunno they charged me 15 bucks just to check if the mobo and cpu were working im guessing theyll charge much more for a bios flash (and id feel much safer doing it myself, the guy there wa like, tuala-whah?)....took me like 15 minutes to explain that his soyo would not work with the celly...

[ol' man]

bump
;)

[Yodums]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
well i dunno they charged me 15 bucks just to check if the mobo and cpu were working im guessing theyll charge much more for a bios flash (and id feel much safer doing it myself, the guy there wa like, tuala-whah?)....took me like 15 minutes to explain that his soyo would not work with the celly...

Yup I agree that computer salesman have no knowledge over what..

This dealer was to argue with me that trading in my TNT2 ... for another GeForce 256.. He told me the 256 and the MX were the same thing.. For him maybe always in the desktop but for gaming NOOOOOOOOOOOO.. Eventually he gave up and I paid 20$ more for the Asus MX.

To Ol'Man:
I never recall the iWill being buggy.. I mean your friend only experienced it.. I've never seen people with that problem.. iWill seems like one hell of a good manufacture to me :0

[funnyperson1]

hey what ram slot can he not use, i might try that....ive only tested the ram in one slot, also ive loked up every jumper pon the damn board and the fsb is all auto-select...but IWILL try the ram slot thing before going to sleep.....get it...IWILL:D ...oh well, bad pun....and yes i would definately guess that Intel is a much higher quality manufacturer than IWILL.....

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Yodums


Yup I agree that computer salesman have no knowledge over what..

This dealer was to argue with me that trading in my TNT2 ... for another GeForce 256.. He told me the 256 and the MX were the same thing.. For him maybe always in the desktop but for gaming NOOOOOOOOOOOO.. Eventually he gave up and I paid 20$ more for the Asus MX.

To Ol'Man:
I never recall the iWill being buggy.. I mean your friend only experienced it.. I've never seen people with that problem.. iWill seems like one hell of a good manufacture to me :0

Well I think it is a good board too. Ecellent to say the least. I also think the same thing about my ST6.

The first day I had it I couldn;t get it go(Haven't I already told this story about a hundred times..) anyway the first day I put everything in it and tried booting it up and it was a no go. I got beeps telling me it was my AGP card/slot. Well crap so I fooled around and fooled around to no avail. Well finnally I called mwave to ram the board. Later I had it all wrapped up to send away and I got the idea to try a PCI vidcard in it. Put it in and BLAMO the thing worked. Powered down and tried my AGP card in it again and then <<BLAM>> it worked and it has worked great since the day I got it(well it had a little rest after I killed my .13u pIII) . There was a switch or something for the AGP that wasn't kicking in or something until I tried the PCI card in it then it worked. There is no onboard video so that was not the problem. Not sure what the problem was but I certainly was happiewr than a puppy with two peckers it worked after that.

I am saying that right now they can be a little buggy just like the rest of the FCPGA2 boards out their right now. Even my ST6 reports this chip as a 699MHz PIII running a 200MHz FSB. I know one other person that had the BD133u and they tried their celery 1.2 in it and it was the same thing no boot. They didn't even try the chip in another board they simply RMA'd the celery back to the company. He got it back and it worked. It wasn't the board I guess that time but you never know. The guy with ram problems was having it with ram slot 2.

No I am comparing the buggyness to my ST6 and they way it behaved. There had to be switches that were not clicking on it to get the AGP working on its own until I put in the PCI card. I think I had the AGP card in it when it booted with the PCI card but I can't rember exactely. Maybe try that funnyperson. Does it talk to you like the BD133u's do. Or is it just .......blaaaa dead....

I asked you before if you tried the ram in different slots in your first thread Friday or Saturday night when you were playing with it. I always, if I can, run my ram as far away as I can from the HSF so it has more airflo through it.

Hope it works out for ya;)

[Newbie_Doo]

I am in Northern Virginia...

[ol' man]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
hey what ram slot can he not use, i might try that....ive only tested the ram in one slot, also ive loked up every jumper pon the damn board and the fsb is all auto-select...but IWILL try the ram slot thing before going to sleep.....get it...IWILL:D ...oh well, bad pun....and yes i would definately guess that Intel is a much higher quality manufacturer than IWILL.....

Yep I know what you are talking about. "IWILL" get back to you in "ABIT." haha get it hahahahaha. I am a freak;0

[Newbie_Doo]

...And I happen to have a Celeron2-600 laying around that could be used as the flashing horse.

E-mail me and let's see if we can get together.

Anthony

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Newbie_Doo
I am in Northern Virginia...
cool i live in fairfax county.....

according to mapquest i live like an hour from you....so if you have 2-3 hours free you could come and chill at my house and fix my comp :D ....of course, an hour is still pretty long....

[Newbie_Doo]

I work in Chantilly...not far from you.

[funnyperson1]

yeah like 15 mins....actually if you could stop by after work or something and let me borrow an FCPGA celly for like 15 mins that would be really cool....pm me if youre intereseted....

[LutaWicasa]

Coolbie_Doo :D

[Newbie_Doo]

My celly came out of my watercooled rig so it needs a HSF to mount it. You will do the flashing, but I don't mind watching over the CPU while you do it...

:)

[funnyperson1]

oh thank you ye great supermod *bends down on knees and sreams YATTA!*

just some details, if you come tomorrow then make sure its after 5:00 because i go to TJ and the commute is long, but on Wednesday i have a half-day so you could come anytime after 1:30, or anytime after that just PM me....ill pm you my details where i live and stuff like that......thanks once again, oh how i love this website....:D

edit:i have a VolcanoII ready, so no problems....

[Newbie_Doo]

E-mail me with details, and I'll let you know what works best for me.

Anthony

[funnyperson1]

i emailed you using the forum tool....

[Newbie_Doo]

Got it. Call you tomorrow.

[Yodums]

*Sniff*

All this forum love hehe.

This is definitly a great place.

[Yodums]

Did you guys flash the bios yet?! :p

Curious to know heh.

[Newbie_Doo]

Finished the flash about 90 minutes ago. He has to go and get the chip from another location and bring it back home. Hopefully all will be well.

Anthony

[funnyperson1]

Newbie_Doo, thanks for the help, but unfortuantely the chip is still a no go.....im almost positive that the board is comaptible, and the bios flash was successful...so on to intel it goes, once i find a way to prove its compatible.......and i did clear cmos :).....heh, thanks for helping me not mess up my mobo;) ........my other problem is cox....stupid cable is sooooooo slow......my prodigy 56K was faster(viewing pages, not downloading sutff)

ol' man: nice joke

[Newbie_Doo]

The cable D/L speed issue can be solved here (http://www.speedguide.net/Cable_modems/cable_registry.shtml) .

Pick the proper tweak file set for your OS and update your registry settings. you should see throughput increase dramatically.

Sorry the Tualatin isn't working. Refresh my memory, do you have the BD133 or BD133u? Only the BIOS for the BD133u officially supports the Tualatin Celeron.

Anthony

[ol' man]

Here is a weird case one may encounter in the world of intel chips.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=270046

This guy above has two chips. A 1000e and a 1100e both cDO steppings. In one board both chips will work but in another board only the 1100e will work. Never ever RMA a chip without knowing for sure it is the chip. Shi# who do you blame in this case eh? Hard saying I would say it must be a combination of the chip and board. This is a fresh post so remember this when you don’t test your chip in another fcpga2 compatible board! This is even with two chips of the same pin configuration. You are trying a totally different pin configuration of fcpga2 and fcpga.

[ol' man]

Dude from the way you two have been talking there must be a place you can buy a intel fcpga2 board that officially supports that chip. If it doesn't work in that board then you can officially tell intel the chip is dead. It may save you some time and trouble. You are going about this wrong. The above [H] thread proves that weird things like this happen.

As intel said not even my ST6 supports this chip yet. I don't think the bd133u does either. If you did get it too post I think it would say something like you have a PIII and not the celeron in it. My ST6 says that I have a PIII 600MHz running a 200fsb. Uh, not hardely.

The only good reason I can think of for you to RMA that chip is because you may get a Phillipine chip. Otherwise I wouldn't RMA it with out knowing for sure. I you do I would really make sure it is dead by applying a nice 5v vcore to it you know what I mean;)

Also what if your board won't accept your new chip huh. Then you got to go through the BS of trying to RMA to IWILL cause Google gear has their 15 day thing then you have to go through the manufacturer. Maybe Googlegear covers the one year warranty for mobo makers I am not sure. All in all you may save your self some time(possibly two weeks if you test the chip in a intel compatible mobo. As I said above simply bring the board back when you are done in the way you bought it!

[ol' man]

Hello are you reading this or what???????????

[Yodums]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Newbie_Doo, thanks for the help, but unfortuantely the chip is still a no go.....im almost positive that the board is comaptible, and the bios flash was successful...so on to intel it goes, once i find a way to prove its compatible.......and i did clear cmos :).....heh, thanks for helping me not mess up my mobo;) ........my other problem is cox....stupid cable is sooooooo slow......my prodigy 56K was faster(viewing pages, not downloading sutff)

ol' man: nice joke

I would recommend you

SkyLam IntelliDialUp Cable Tweak..

http://www.skylam.com

Sorry to hear that it still isn't working:/

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by ol' man
Hello are you reading this or what???????????

heh sorry, like i said, cox cable is acting up on me and i couldnt connect for a while, im on my old prodigy account right now.....anywayz, the problem is that the BD133U does support the Tualatin Celerons, and i just flashed it (with the help of Newbie_Doo) to a bios which on their webpage says "adds support of new celerons" now this is dated October,26th meaning the only celerons they could be talking about are the tualatins.....i have sent Iwill an email about compatibility and am waiting for their response, the reason i wont go out and buy an FCPGA2 board is because im cheap, but i wont buy a board for one use and then return, thats just wrong......also buying a new one is out of the question as prices in this area are through the roof, i called a local store to get maybe a replacement and here are the best prices:
65$-Celly 700( i dont really want to get this, wont be much of an upgrade froma PIII450)
250$!!!-PIII 1GHZ!!!! (what a rippoff)!!!
yeah so off to intel......

[ol' man]

You think you got a wierd deal. Here is the latest to the 1000e not working but the 1100e will.


both processors works fine at any other board but the 1000E won't post whatever i tried

i think its a faulty board

He could have not tried the 1000e in another board but he did. If he wouldn't have he would have thought IT HAS TO BE THE CHIP LIKE YOU ARE DOING. NOPE ITS THE MOBO.


His first statement;


im running my 1100E @ 1309 and its running fine , today i brought a 1000E and it wont POsT whatever i do , tried both processors on other board working fine , on this board ( CUSL2) the 1000E won't run ,, tried to flash the bios back to 1008 ( used to be 1009) and still no go removed every thing and still no go even tried to set it in jumper mode in 66FSB and it fails , any thoughts


I rest my case.

You havn't even tried the .13u chip in another compatible board!

[ol' man]

One other thing about buying a board to test your chip on which you think is wrong.

I recently bought the TUSL-2 and when I got it I had problems with it. So I paid like $10 extra bucks to have it shipped to me and now when I RMA'd it cost another $15 for shipping it back plus when they get it they are going to charge me another 15% of $110 which is about $15. That ends uyp being $35 I have wasted cause they sent me a faulty board.

Is that right?

From talking to other people their AUX voltages are off also with this board.

You goto to a reseller and buy a OEM intel board to test on cause he was to much of a dip to test the chip for you with out charging you an arm and a leg and when you return it in the exact same condition you bought it as he is either going to put it back on the shelf or put it into a build he is doing guarenteed. I have bought stuff before the reseller had in his display computers as new. It was a HS. Burn't out fans and everything. I brought it back and said hey this HS had dust all over inside it and one of the fans is burn't out. He didn't care. Boom %15 restocking fee if I wanted to return it. In the end I just kept the HSF and replaced the fans anyway but that is besides the point. The fans didn;t have time to build up as much dust as they had. I only had the HS for 1 hour before I went back. Same place sells crappy computers to people then doesn;t follow up with decent service to fix the problems like sblive and other junk. Yeah they are AMD boxes.

[funnyperson1]

you have a point, but im still waiting for the email from Iwill, my dads old computer works fine and we have a 3 year warranty on the cpu, so were not in a hurry......and at least the board works with fcpga cpus so if thats the problem ill jut get a new one and see if intel will refund us....

[funnyperson1]

my dad has checked the Iwill forums and apparently many people have been having problems with the 1.2 Celly...heres what were thinking.....we get a new mobo (ST6 or TUSL2-C), and a celly 800, and we use the Tualatin in the other mobo and the cellymine in the BD133U....this way the 15% restocking fee wont go in the trash, and besides mt P3V4X is starting to show its age, many thanks to the people who helped me out such as Newbie_Doo, and Ol' Man.....if you have more suggestions, tell me....

[Newbie_Doo]

Sounds like a plan. I would lean towards the Asus...but I am biased. :)

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Newbie_Doo
Sounds like a plan. I would lean towards the Asus...but I am biased. :)
im leaning towards the ASUS too, my P3V4X has been good to me, remember all the stuff you told me about typing.bin to flash the bios, never did that once and ive flashed the P3V4X bios at least 5-6 times......ASUS really makes high quality hardware...

[Yodums]

I'd leaned towards the ST6..

One is that ol'man has some greate overclocking experiences better than the TUSL2.

Seems like that iWill is a buggy board as ol'man mentioned :/

Does the TUSL2 have 1/4 dividers?

[ol' man]

Originally posted by funnyperson1

im leaning towards the ASUS too, my P3V4X has been good to me, remember all the stuff you told me about typing.bin to flash the bios, never did that once and ive flashed the P3V4X bios at least 5-6 times......ASUS really makes high quality hardware...


You are leaning towards the TUSL-2???????

Have you heard a word I have said about the TUSL-2.

You want a really buggy board then get that one. I really hope you remember all the problems I told you I had with it. If you order it from googlegear you may even get the same one:eek:

No man you want a good board you go with the ST6 for now. Upon boot it won't show you the right speed but once in windows use WCPUID and it will.

I am asking some people right now if the auxiliary voltages are the same as the AGTL voltages. If they are then you really don’t want the TUSL-2 cause they were out of whack bit time and I think every a lot of them will be the same way.

Also if your chip can only do say 127fsb the tusl2 will not do it. Well I am not going to repeat my self over and over. Guess you will find out hopefully not the hard way.

[funnyperson1]

dont worry, ive kept your problems with the board in mind, but i need to do some research to see if that was an isolateed incident, or if ASUS really did put out tons of crappy socket370 ocing boards, because from what ASUS boards ive used and the reviews i read seem very favorable that they didnt do that....as weve all seen most of these "Universal Motherboards" are pretty quirky......the ST6 is looking really good though (the price is right :D ).....will post later with decision....thanks for all your help :beer:

[Yodums]

Well you pick the right choice.. Good Luck man :) Get back to us on what it is too :p

[ol' man]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
dont worry, ive kept your problems with the board in mind, but i need to do some research to see if that was an isolateed incident, or if ASUS really did put out tons of crappy socket370 ocing boards, because from what ASUS boards ive used and the reviews i read seem very favorable that they didnt do that....as weve all seen most of these "Universal Motherboards" are pretty quirky......the ST6 is looking really good though (the price is right :D ).....will post later with decision....thanks for all your help :beer:

Dude this problem is a carry over from the CUSL-2. All their boards wouldn't do anything over like 120 fsb either I guess with the 1/3 divider and you couldn;t use the 1/4 of course. I have seen it in two boards now and I think I have seen it in a screeny from someone else too. Word of advice man. DO NOT GET THE TUSL_@ for this chip. If you were using a PIII tualatin already at a 133 fsb it would not be that bad but this one is. Besides as you said the ST6 is only like $85. Best board right now I know of for this chip and also pretty much the cheapest.

[funnyperson1]

yeah, looks like ill get the ST6, but damnit i wish the BD133U woulda worked....i hate wire tricks:mad: