PS3 Not Even In Producation Yet

[AngelfireUk83]

As I reported a few weeks back in my thread "PS3 In Better Shape" http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=469951 it's seems that American president Kaz Hirai has slightly let slip some info that would turns those anylist views around.

Hirai had during the week an interview with GameSpot and was answering questions to PS3 and the future of there gaming view. But also slipped out that PS3 wasn't been manufactured yet not 1 console has been put together. And they expect 1 mill PS3's to be out on November launch must have 4 fab labs going then.

See Here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33813

The PS3 interface is going be simluar to PSP http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1826796847481689092&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en video here from 2 guys I've never seen before.

And gamespot have video on Full Auto 2 being played on PS3 hardware along with it been played on Sony upcoming online gaming network. http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/fullauto2/news.html?sid=6155909&mode=recent

[FudgeNuggets]

So much rumors, misinformation and end-arounds being run.... I'm through holding my breath. It'll be at least this time in 2007 before I get one.

[deception``]

This is nothing to be concerned about. They still have several months to produce a decent supply come launch time. Of course, the PS3 will most likely launch with not enough supply to meet the demand, but this is no different than almost any other console in recent memory (including the Xbox 360).

Bottom line is that this does not mean that the PS3 will miss its scheduled launch date. Nonetheless, this console will surely be hard to find until sometime early next year.

deception``

[blueswitch]

that could really hurt their market share...come xmas you might see alot of people who wanted PS3 but just decided to go X360 if there arn't any in stock....I mean it would probably happen anyway but it would be more widespread becasue you know there are kids out there that want a next-gen console this xmas no matter what.

[deception``]

that could really hurt their market share...come xmas you might see alot of people who wanted PS3 but just decided to go X360 if there arn't any in stock....I mean it would probably happen anyway but it would be more widespread becasue you know there are kids out there that want a next-gen console this xmas no matter what.

This won't hurt anything. People that have waited a year for the PS3 already won't care that much if they cannot get one in the first few weeks. Think about how silly that sounds. Anybody that wants the Xbox 360 either (a) already has one or (b) is waiting for more titles or a reduction in price.

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[blueswitch]

I was thinking more about little kids that want a new console now. Also factor in the population of people that don't really care as long as they can play the new Maddens.

[FudgeNuggets]

I think there will NOT be shortage on the Wii and they will kick both MS and Sony's butts in holiday 2006 sales.

[deception``]

I was thinking more about little kids that want a new console now. Also factor in the population of people that don't really care as long as they can play the new Maddens.

Doesn't matter who were are talking about - kids, the college-bound, or adults - ANYONE who has deliberately waited a year for the PS3 is not going to cry if they have to wait another month or so to get their dream system.

Secondly, keep in mind that the Xbox and PS2 currently have more than enough current titles (and a few good upcoming ones) to make it easy for many to miss a next-gen console. Until these systems come out with some grand-slam titles exclusive to next-gen systems, we won't be seeing a huge demand for any of these systems RIGHT AWAY. People will continue to buy PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox software well into next year.

deception``

[Falcon-K]

This won't hurt anything. People that have waited a year for the PS3 already won't care that much if they cannot get one in the first few weeks. Think about how silly that sounds. Anybody that wants the Xbox 360 either (a) already has one or (b) is waiting for more titles or a reduction in price.

deception``


Probably more like first few months, but there might be some parents out there that just want to get their kid something this christmas as far as a console goes and might settle for a wii or xbox360.

I know that gamestop, target ect employees will probably try and push other consoles(360, wii, ps2) onto parents who cant get a ps3.

[Falcon-K]

I think there will NOT be shortage on the Wii and they will kick both MS and Sony's butts in holiday 2006 sales.

One thing the wii dosent have is hype, the ps3 is going to be the "must have" this Christmas. Nintendo is winning people over with the wii but they havent been exactly gaining a lot of hype. Most analysts are still predicting wii will be 3rd by a large percentage this generation.

The biggest thing that wii has going for it is its new controller but the biggest thing against it is also the new controller. Some people just wont get it because its different. It doesnt follow what we have all learned as console gaming as far as controller goes. I think the wii will be 3rd in sales this Holiday and probably this entire generation.

I will say that I plan on getting a wii to go with my xbox360 or at the very least letting me wii loving roomate get one this year and play his. I think its a great idea and should be a complete blast. But nintendo just doesnt have the games and market identity to really steal MS and Sony marketshare.

[Elif Tymes]

But... Nintendo is stealing Developers like my papa steals apples from Old Mclintocks Farm.

Seriously, Nintendos non-existant Third Party support looks to be a thing of the pasts soon.

The major reason for that I think, is the DS. They went sneaky like and said "Ok, let's see what we can do with a weird input schema" and it suceeded. It suceeded VERY well, against what most people thought was an easy victory for the PSP, with it's higher tech-specs, more "Normal" game library, and media capabilities.

Course the DS' price tag didn't hurt, which is another spot where Wii will win out. People will buy a Wii just because it's (pretty darn) cheap. Face it, Wallys-World taught us that "If we can get lower prices with a lesser product, we can get the sales!"

[mrgreenjeans]

This is nothing to be concerned about. They still have several months to produce a decent supply come launch time. Of course, the PS3 will most likely launch with not enough supply to meet the demand, but this is no different than almost any other console in recent memory (including the Xbox 360).

Bottom line is that this does not mean that the PS3 will miss its scheduled launch date. Nonetheless, this console will surely be hard to find until sometime early next year.

deception``

Obvious;y you've very little experience in business and the logistics of manufacturing. If they do not have a manufacturing facility on-line, meaning capable of and already producing functioning units, I sincerely doubt you'll see any product in November. This is august, that's just two months to go on-line, work out the bugs, not of the product or design, but of the manufacturing process, and get inventory out the door, doudtful. sure Sony has a huge budget and throwing large sums of money might get you through but I wouldn't be holding my breath. There are as many, if not more, issues to work out in a manufaturing process than in the development of one functioning prototype. Yeah, you got one to work right, now let's do it a thousand times an hour with what, a 2% failure rate, if that's acceptable.

[jpersinger]

This doesn't surprise me at all; I am surprised they are even being released this year with all of the setbacks. I have not been keeping up on new console specs for the last month, but last I knew the graphics solution was borked, the cell processor's cache was borked, the cost is sky high, and blue-ray isn't quite catching on yet. If an analyst predicted that Wii is going to be in third place in sales I would never listen to that guys advice again!

Wii is going to have excellent software and it is cheap. I believe it has ports for gamecube controllers as well so it is not like you are going to be stuck with the new controller. However, I suspect that the new controller will grow on a lot of people. From every review I have seen it is bashed and bashed, and then the reviewer tries it, and falls in love. The following is why the Wii will have my money: gamecube backwards compatible, Mario,Zelda, Super Metroid, and best of all access to classis games from nintendo, SNES, nintendo 64, and genesis! We are talking punch out, mario, links awakening, battletoads, shinobi, and the best of the best the original 007 for nintendo 64.

The only reason I would even consider purchasing a playstation 3 is metal gear; the xbox 360 has nothing for me. Everyone goes on and on about Halo but I can't stand playing FPS with anything but a mouse and keyboard...

[mrgreenjeans]

Second. I've got a PS2 collecting dust under my HTPC which I bought so my wife and I could play co-operative games together. Well, after we finished all three titles for the third time, it got repetitious and now collects dust. Tell you what, sell it for $20.00. Any takers?

[Falcon-K]

This doesn't surprise me at all; I am surprised they are even being released this year with all of the setbacks. I have not been keeping up on new console specs for the last month, but last I knew the graphics solution was borked, the cell processor's cache was borked, the cost is sky high, and blue-ray isn't quite catching on yet. If an analyst predicted that Wii is going to be in third place in sales I would never listen to that guys advice again!

Wii is going to have excellent software and it is cheap. I believe it has ports for gamecube controllers as well so it is not like you are going to be stuck with the new controller. However, I suspect that the new controller will grow on a lot of people. From every review I have seen it is bashed and bashed, and then the reviewer tries it, and falls in love. The following is why the Wii will have my money: gamecube backwards compatible, Mario,Zelda, Super Metroid, and best of all access to classis games from nintendo, SNES, nintendo 64, and genesis! We are talking punch out, mario, links awakening, battletoads, shinobi, and the best of the best the original 007 for nintendo 64.

The only reason I would even consider purchasing a playstation 3 is metal gear; the xbox 360 has nothing for me. Everyone goes on and on about Halo but I can't stand playing FPS with anything but a mouse and keyboard...

There wont be any 3rd party games unless specficically worked out through the 3rd party first. Battletoads and the original 007 are both Rare's and now Microsoft. You wont be seeing banjo tooie, 007, battletoads, ect ever on the wii.

[penguin463]

I think there will NOT be shortage on the Wii and they will kick both MS and Sony's butts in holiday 2006 sales.

Yeah man, its all about the WII IMO. its coming out cheaper.

I am a PC gamer at heart, but if i had to pick one systtem that i would buy, it would be the WII. Super smash bros is the best game in the world to play. Me and my freinds play counter strike and WoW and such, but when we get bored we can have a 4 person FFA in super smash on the game cube. Loads of fun.

[Elif Tymes]

Mr. Greenjeans.. post that in the classifieds and I'll send you a PM :)

[jpersinger]

All of the games I quoted are from a list of games that were quoted to be confirmed as available for download with Wii. It was a list of about 15 games; I thought I saw it at IGN but I can't find it right now. It is possible that it was speculation or that I misinterpreted it, but I thought when reading it that those games indeed would be available. If I find the link later I will post it.

[deception``]

Obvious;y you've very little experience in business and the logistics of manufacturing. If they do not have a manufacturing facility on-line, meaning capable of and already producing functioning units, I sincerely doubt you'll see any product in November. This is august, that's just two months to go on-line, work out the bugs, not of the product or design, but of the manufacturing process, and get inventory out the door, doudtful. sure Sony has a huge budget and throwing large sums of money might get you through but I wouldn't be holding my breath. There are as many, if not more, issues to work out in a manufaturing process than in the development of one functioning prototype. Yeah, you got one to work right, now let's do it a thousand times an hour with what, a 2% failure rate, if that's acceptable.

Very interesting of you to make such bold statements, both of my own (supposed) lack of business acumen and your own interpretation (or lack thereof) of the source material.

(1) The president noted that they have yet to engage in mass-production of the units; however, this does not mean that Sony or their manufacturers have not produced prototypes and/or engineering samples with which they can iron out and flaws in the manufacturing. Remember, Sony was able to show titles at E3 and other events, meaning that they have been able to successfully produce the unit.

(1b) August to November....that's three months, not two.

(2) Keep in mind that Sony is only producing a handful of consoles through the end of the year, so the need for significant production early on is not exactly necessary. Note the source material:

Well, I think that you know this is all relative, but you need to put it in context. I think that we've always talked about shipping 2 million units worldwide within the calendar year. Since we're going with three territories, we haven't really come up with an allocation just yet. But even if you do the simple math you're talking about less than 700,000 units per territory, per major territory, between launch and the end of the year. So even if there was some fluctuation--you give Japan more, you give the US more, what have you--you're going to end up with some shortages.

The PS3 will certainly incur shortages throughout the end of this year, just like the PS2, Xbox, and Xbox 360 did at their respective launches. However, this does not mean that Sony is incapable of ramping up production in a short period of time. Remember, Sony overall is a huge media conglomerate with tons of resources at its disposal...I think it is you who has vastly underestimated their ability to turn over a product in a reasonable amount of time (also note that Asus will do a lot of the actual PS3 production).

Try to read the source material before making general assumptions.

deception``

[fohijgmz]

I wouldn't worry about the PS3 not being in production yet. As long as theres demand they will find ways of building them fast. Maybe will see another X-box360 craze. I remeber that a Lady got the X-box stolen from her, right in front her house. It was all over the news down in SoCal.

[FudgeNuggets]

There's no use in trying to make any statements are arguments that don't agree directly with the predetermined conclusions drawn by "deception ` `: Defender of the Sonyverse".

[Falcon-K]

There's no use in trying to make any statements are arguments that don't agree directly with the predetermined conclusions drawn by "deception ` `: Defender of the Sonyverse".

You dont seem to be pro sony about anything.. :rolleyes:

[deception``]

There's no use in trying to make any statements are arguments that don't agree directly with the predetermined conclusions drawn by "deception ` `: Defender of the Sonyverse".

How am I defending Sony? All I am doing is making logical and reasonable assertations about Sony's ability to produce the PS3. In no way what I said meant to be a jab at any other company.....perhaps I'm not the one with all of the bias?

deception``

[John G]

To be honest, either Deception or Mrgreenjeans could be right... If everything goes very smoothly and even though they're not producing units this day, maybe they could be next week and have a chance of hitting their currently stated 2 mil target. On the other hand, if they aren't producing units at all now, there's no guarantee that they will be producing large quantities in the near future and could easily miss their current targets. If I had to place odds on either hitting or missing that target, I would say they would more likely miss - that would be my best guess.

As far as the importance of having quantity of product available to sell for the christmas season in order to establish market share... It is a very big deal. Yes, adult gamers who are in the know will hold off and buy whatever they want whenever it becomes available. Teenagers will do that to a point. But, to assume child gamers behave like that is pretty naive. For an average 10 year old kid, their chance to get something "good" is Christmas and birthdays. We'll ignore the birthdays since they happen whenever. Christmas is the same for everyone. Kids don't say, "Wait till February to buy my Christmas present, Dad." Or, "It's okay that you couldn't find one due to shortages, Mom, you can get me one in a few months." Come December, parents buy the best thing they think they can, win, lose, or draw. If there are 360's sitting right there on the shelf for less money and the games look just as good (to the parent wielding the money), and Wii's sitting there for even less....there's gonna be a lot of consoles sold that aren't PS3's during the Christmas season.

[Dan0512]

This won't hurt anything. People that have waited a year for the PS3 already won't care that much if they cannot get one in the first few weeks. Think about how silly that sounds. Anybody that wants the Xbox 360 either (a) already has one or (b) is waiting for more titles or a reduction in price.

deception``


That won't, a bit too sure there?

Sure, you assume everyone in the market for a PS3 is a die hard fan waiting a year to get it.

Most people in the market for a console in November/December will buy whatever is sitting on the shelf and suits their needs.

I can see a bunch of people just buying Xbox 360's and Wii simply because they're available.

And after you own 1 console, chances are you aren't getting another one.

We don't know anything. Production time is one thing, then factor the time it takes to get the units to the dealers and such. Just look at the time it took for AM2 chips to hit the market. They were produced the early weeks of '06, yet arrived like the 4th month of the year.

dan

[deception``]

To be honest, either Deception or Mrgreenjeans could be right... If everything goes very smoothly and even though they're not producing units this day, maybe they could be next week and have a chance of hitting their currently stated 2 mil target. On the other hand, if they aren't producing units at all now, there's no guarantee that they will be producing large quantities in the near future and could easily miss their current targets. If I had to place odds on either hitting or missing that target, I would say they would more likely miss - that would be my best guess.

As far as the importance of having quantity of product available to sell for the christmas season in order to establish market share... It is a very big deal. Yes, adult gamers who are in the know will hold off and buy whatever they want whenever it becomes available. Teenagers will do that to a point. But, to assume child gamers behave like that is pretty naive. For an average 10 year old kid, their chance to get something "good" is Christmas and birthdays. We'll ignore the birthdays since they happen whenever. Christmas is the same for everyone. Kids don't say, "Wait till February to buy my Christmas present, Dad." Or, "It's okay that you couldn't find one due to shortages, Mom, you can get me one in a few months." Come December, parents buy the best thing they think they can, win, lose, or draw. If there are 360's sitting right there on the shelf for less money and the games look just as good (to the parent wielding the money), and Wii's sitting there for even less....there's gonna be a lot of consoles sold that aren't PS3's during the Christmas season.

It is true that the PS3 launch could be hit or miss, but all signs in history point to the fact that it won't be a failure, at least.

However (a big one, too), I think that we are all over-hyping the importance of this particular Christmas sales season. I do expect the PS3 to sell out, but I sincerely doubt that it will be to children; most of the early adopters of such technology would go the young-adult crowd. Out of the three, I'm pretty sure that the Wii will enjoy the most holiday sales, largely due to its low introductory price (even compared to the 360) and the fact that Nintendo should not face the same supply issues as the 360 or PS3.

The PS3 will sell well, but like the 360, most of its sales will come after this particular holiday. If you remember the Xbox 360 launch back in November of last year, the console had limited quanities that sold out fast, but most people couldn't get their hands on the console until the beginning of '06.

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[deception``]

That won't, a bit too sure there?

Sure, you assume everyone in the market for a PS3 is a die hard fan waiting a year to get it.

Most people in the market for a console in November/December will buy whatever is sitting on the shelf and suits their needs.

I can see a bunch of people just buying Xbox 360's and Wii simply because they're available.

And after you own 1 console, chances are you aren't getting another one.

We don't know anything. Production time is one thing, then factor the time it takes to get the units to the dealers and such. Just look at the time it took for AM2 chips to hit the market. They were produced the early weeks of '06, yet arrived like the 4th month of the year.

dan

People that want an Xbox 360 can easily buy one now - it's no longer hard to find these consoles in stock. The majority of Christmas shoppers will probably choose between the PS3 and the Wii - both are new launches and they both cater to different crowds and price points. This does not mean the Xbox 360 will not sell (it will of, of course), but anyone that wants a 360 can easily buy one today.

To answer your question, I don't think the small supply will hurt the PS3 because all consoles in recent memory have launched with an insufficient supply to meet the inital demand.

Also, AMD's issues with AM2 processors is an issue that is wholly independent of game consoles. Comparing the two is very much irrelevant. There is a good chance that (a) AMD did not want to cannibalize sales from s939 chips which were still doing well or (b) AMD wanted to make further changes like the reduction of the cache from 1MB to 512K.

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[FudgeNuggets]

We knew a a year and a half ago that the majority of wouldn't be getting out hands on a 360 for Christmas because of shortages, we've known the same thing about the PS3 as well. It doesn't really matter becaause the 360 games haven't been that good until recently and the PS3 will likely be he same. Wii is the darkhorse, because I don't see shortages which means that there will be no E-bay robbery or midnight tramplings at the local electronics retailers. IT's built on last-gen upgraded hardware with a new controll interface so I don't think it'll take them long to have good games. Launch games may even be pretty darned good like Zelda and Mario Galaxy. I'm not going to say anything negative about Sony here but there is no cause for alarm and really anybody who goes frantic over getting one at launch will get ripped-off in one way or another. I admit there was no real reason to get my 360 in Feb because the only games I've played for it that I've liked have been Oblivion, NBA 2K6 and MLB 2k6. I'll be picking up Madden 07 (06 sucked) and Saint's Row in the next week. Fight Night 3 looked pretty but was too short and easy. Same deal for PGR3 and DOA. I could've lived without it until this Christmas. I got lucky and didn't get an overheating one. I expect SOny to have hardware problems too and crappy games for a year as well, so I'm in no hurry to get one until Christmas 2007. That's all I'm saying, no bias what-so-ever.

[deception``]

We knew a a year and a half ago that the majority of wouldn't be getting out hands on a 360 for Christmas because of shortages, we've known the same thing about the PS3 as well. It doesn't really matter becaause the 360 games haven't been that good until recently and the PS3 will likely be he same. Wii is the darkhorse, because I don't see shortages which means that there will be no E-bay robbery or midnight tramplings at the local electronics retailers. IT's built on last-gen upgraded hardware with a new controll interface so I don't think it'll take them long to have good games. Launch games may even be pretty darned good like Zelda and Mario Galaxy. I'm not going to say anything negative about Sony here but there is no cause for alarm and really anybody who goes frantic over getting one at launch will get ripped-off in one way or another. I admit there was no real reason to get my 360 in Feb because the only games I've played for it that I've liked have been Oblivion, NBA 2K6 and MLB 2k6. I'll be picking up Madden 07 (06 sucked) and Saint's Row in the next week. Fight Night 3 looked pretty but was too short and easy. Same deal for PGR3 and DOA. I could've lived without it until this Christmas. I got lucky and didn't get an overheating one. I expect SOny to have hardware problems too and crappy games for a year as well, so I'm in no hurry to get one until Christmas 2007. That's all I'm saying, no bias what-so-ever.

No console is truly worth buying at launch. Most consoles have initial bugs that we don't plan for, and the first crop of next-gen titles always tend to be somewhat weak. I just bought my 360 less than a month ago, and that's simply because I knew that games such as Madden 07 and Dead Rising were on the way.

Fudge, the bias comes when people assume that I am pro-Sony simply because I make a compelling argument. Everytime I try to make a point, I always seem to get hit with name-calling and other things that only detract from the conversation. For the record, I am in favor of no company - but it seems to be very difficult for you and others to engage in an intelligent argument with having to "pick a side."

There's no use in trying to make any statements are arguments that don't agree directly with the predetermined conclusions drawn by "deception ` `: Defender of the Sonyverse".

A perfect example of a comment that does nothing to help the topic at hand. Don't you agree that we could discuss the matter without mudslinging?

deception``

[jpersinger]

Deception,

some of us know that you are not attempting to be the "Defender of the SonyVerse"; I think you know that that really is the best you can hope for! Did you purchase Dead Rising? That is the one Xbox 360 title that has me wondering what if as I have a certain place in my heart for the killing of zombies.

I think Wii is going to be one of the first consoles to truly be worth purchasing at launch; launching with Metroid Prime, Zelda, Supermonkey ball, and I am assuming we will see a few virtual console games earlier rather than later. If they snag some of the better titles from NES,SNES,64, and the genesis it would almost be worth the price of entry alone for myself. Plus, there has been recent speculation that the Wii will launch at $170...

[shard]

I simply try to just keep my mouth shut about console wars. It realy helps me in the end. But I do find it somewhat funny that sony hasnt even begin building the PS3 yet, lol.

[deception``]

Deception,

some of us know that you are not attempting to be the "Defender of the SonyVerse"; I think you know that that really is the best you can hope for! Did you purchase Dead Rising? That is the one Xbox 360 title that has me wondering what if as I have a certain place in my heart for the killing of zombies.

I think Wii is going to be one of the first consoles to truly be worth purchasing at launch; launching with Metroid Prime, Zelda, Supermonkey ball, and I am assuming we will see a few virtual console games earlier rather than later. If they snag some of the better titles from NES,SNES,64, and the genesis it would almost be worth the price of entry alone for myself. Plus, there has been recent speculation that the Wii will launch at $170...

Off Topic:

Dead Rising is a pretty fun game. I may not be the best one to talk to, though, as I have not had a chance to play the game through. Simply put, the in-game text is ILLEGIBLE on an SDTV. I have an HDTV on the way, so in the meantime I will come back to that game when I can see the text clearly.

Outside of this one (albeit major) issue, the game does have a lot of replay value, but the single-slot save system is also equally frustrating. Supposedly Capcom is to address these issues with a later patch, but that remains to be seen. Having said all of this, Dead Rising is a solid Xbox 360 title despite these two issues. There's countless ways to kill the zombies, and the visuals are some of the best yet.

Sorry about going off topic

deception``

[FudgeNuggets]

I've seen no compelling argument for Sony other than Blue-Ray which is not looking like it nor HD-DVD is going to do well anytime soon. 1080p which is useless as very little can take advantage of and the "game catalog" that doesn't exist yet. Sure that catalog was good for the PS1 and PS2 but I've heard numerous sources saying that the SOny hardware is a living nightmare to program for. I'm not budging until it has been out for a year, but will probably buy a Wii right away.

[OC Noob]

But... Nintendo is stealing Developers like my papa steals apples from Old Mclintocks Farm.

Seriously, Nintendos non-existant Third Party support looks to be a thing of the pasts soon.

The major reason for that I think, is the DS. They went sneaky like and said "Ok, let's see what we can do with a weird input schema" and it suceeded. It suceeded VERY well, against what most people thought was an easy victory for the PSP, with it's higher tech-specs, more "Normal" game library, and media capabilities.

Course the DS' price tag didn't hurt, which is another spot where Wii will win out. People will buy a Wii just because it's (pretty darn) cheap. Face it, Wallys-World taught us that "If we can get lower prices with a lesser product, we can get the sales!"


I have yet to see this, the Wii launch line-up looks pretty slim thus far. A 1st party title or 2 look good, then there are series that have always been average at best and new unproven titles (eeck, someone mentioned Monkey Ball?!?!).

All systems have big weaknesses at this point and thats game selection.

[Enablingwolf]

Like I have always done. I read all the hype. Then a couple of years later I will stroll in all cool like and grab something. I will make a judgment on how the machine is and only then. When the PoS in in my grubby pawz/ Since it is short lived, mods do happen sometimes. Controllers have a short life in my home. Darn wife is hard on crap. (I leave this part to anyone who has heard inside my home and the wife going off on a game...)

I do love my v14 PS2. It rocks sox. I have plenty of games to pick from and they are super cheap. If I want to mod it, heck yah easy as pie. I am interested in the past release.

I was offered a N64/NES/also a Cube. So far my PC and PS2 serves me well.

Will I get a PS3? Might,,, if it will give me my older games from yesteryear. Spyro and other classics. They make everyone happy. Who gives a ratz crap about newer. Unless it is fun and has replay value. Make it fun and versatile. Now if the Wii is my new pick so be it. Better make it cheap and fun.

Now for the new PS3, it ticks me off on paper launches. Don't lie to me/ Or I will ignore it like a snore.

I give credit to the MS box. Least they had something out and was working (sorta). Took a bit of a hit too. The N brand seems to hit the masses kind of on time. Even if it is light on content.

[jpersinger]

Looks like I may have been wrong about the virtual console release list; the following is the article at gamepro.

http://www.gamepro.com/nintendo/wii/games/features/72528.shtml

The reason I thought this to be accurate was that I had been linked to this article by a different site that stated that the games listed had been confirmed, except those in the most wanted section. So these titles may be available, and they may not. I don't know.