ATI Flame lol

[OC-Master]

Not really want a war or anything but isnt it true, ATI is like Intel in the MHz ways???

I mean, The Ti500 @ 240MHz still beats the Radeon2 8500 in most cases and the Radeon is @ 275MHz. Whats up with that besides drivers???

ATI = Intel

nVidia = AMD

Kyro = Cyrix (VIA):D

[Kingslayer]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think it is the exact opposite.

nVidia is Intel and ATI is AMD.

For the past two years people have been brainwashed into nVidia much like they have Intel. Because it's the only thing out there, and because it's the ruler of the roost. Just like people did with Intel before AMD got their act together.

Now, AMD is producing faster chips for less money. Just like ATI is doing now with the Radeon 8500.

Check the reviews. The only place where the Radeon isn't as fast or faster is on an old DX7 game, Giants. But everywhere else its just about even, and in some places, like Quake3 and 3DMark2001 it's spanking the Ti500. Not to mention it looks better.

Kinda like what AMD is doing to Intel and their P4....

[Ghaz]

I agree with king slayer, its totally reversed. First let me say, I own both a ATI Radeon 8500 and serveral Geforce cards. I think they both shine in certain areas. But Nvidia is like intel, people buy it for the name most of the time. Where as ATI is the competition like amd. I like them both and I dont have a favorite, both make great cards and have strengths in their different areas.

[Angry]

Originally posted by Ghaz
I agree with king slayer, its totally reversed. First let me say, I own both a ATI Radeon 8500 and serveral Geforce cards. I think they both shine in certain areas. But Nvidia is like intel, people buy it for the name most of the time. Where as ATI is the competition like amd. I like them both and I dont have a favorite, both make great cards and have strengths in their different areas.

Precisely what I was thinking my good man...

[WillysNut]

Originally posted by AXIA
Not really want a war or anything but isnt it true, ATI is like Intel in the MHz ways???

I mean, The Ti500 @ 240MHz still beats the Radeon2 8500 in most cases and the Radeon is @ 275MHz. Whats up with that besides drivers???

ATI = Intel

nVidia = AMD

Kyro = Cyrix (VIA):D

Let's even take it a step further than that...Who's been around longer????? Just playing devil's advocate. Honestly. I think ATI is trying to catch up on a market that they let slide and they're doing a very good job at it.

[Maximus Nickus]

I agree to Ati = AMD!
:D

[Kingslayer]

I just love the way people tank on ATI. I think it's great. Tank on em all you want, they are shoving their way to the front.

Look at the changes that they have made in the computer industry with only two GPU's... It took nVidia 3 GPU's before they were even recognized.

The first Radeon GPU was stong enough to send nVidia back to the books and start studying. And most importantly, force them to drop their monopolistic prices. nVidia fans rushed to the stores to take advantadge of the premier card finally being affordable.

The second Radeon GPU, the one used in the 8500 and 7500 now have nVidia absolutely reeling. 3DMark2001 used to be the premier benchmark utility, until the Radeon took the lead in it. Now its considered a "simulated" benchmark, and really doesnt mean anything anymore. This quickly helps you identify the nVidia bias sites. People are starting to see the Radeon and Gforce in a different light. Now people want video quality included in reviews. Sorry nVidia fans, but the GForce is the clear loser there too. No one has dared put up DVD playback comparisons for fear of further shame. Same with 2D comparisons.

Whether you like ATI or not you have to give them their props. If you cant openly admit that it is a contender for fear of a lightningbolt sent from nVidia, then at least thank them for making your second rate Ti500 a cheaper purchase.

[Dark Illusion]

ATi And Nvidia are both guilty of the same things. Only thing Nvidia does right is marketing

Driver optimization for certain programs. - Nvidia has been doing this for years. Ati tried its luck and got slammed all over. Heck some of nvidia detonator increased 3D mark scores and artifacts whilst actual gaming performance went down. "Increase in 400Marks!!" Nvidia got slammed for this earlier but people decided they didn't notice much of a difference in quality so it was accepted.

Buggy drivers - "leaked" Detonators are nothing but a bunch of betas set out for the public. Some work well, most are buggy. There is no support for these drivers if some would notice. Yet people love trying out new drivers. Upon finding out the old ones were better they switch back and not another thought about it.

Unsupported features - With the latest DetonatorXP drivers you get 3D textures and shadow buffers on the old GF3's too. Somehow these became "new features" rather than not yet supported. This slipped by without much notice for some reason.

As for speed. I notice a difference between a Radeon and a Geforce in terms of image quality. I don't get how people say they're the same then go back and screamed at the Radeon for "optimizations." These people should rethink whether they want speed or quality.

If you're going to give hate on one take the time to look at the other too. They're both just as bad.



edit: didn't kno' that word was taboo here=)

[Zuck Gou :)]

I'm pretty tired of the ATi vs Nvidia thing.

They're both great cards, it depends on how much cash you got. Money talks.

[Oni]

Least this one didn't turn into a complete flame war :rolleyes:

ATI is finally taking back something that nVidia thought they owned outright for years, and they're rather bitter about it. Serves them right.

Why should I pay $450 of my hard-earned greenbacks (or multicoloured monopoly-esk money, seeing as I live in Canada :D ) for a Ti500 when I can have a comparable card for $300 (or less in some areas)?

That, and w/ an ATI card, I don't have to download the newest, most shiny drivers every 2 days or so (mind you, I wish that ATI had somewhere around that frequency :rolleyes: ).

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Zuck Gou :)
I'm pretty tired of the ATi vs Nvidia thing.

They're both great cards, it depends on how much cash you got. Money talks.

aGreed

[funnyperson1]

ive always been an ATI man, but since the 64mbDDRVIVO was too expensive for me (like 150+$) i got a Geforce2Pro, and i would tell you this, framerates arent all that matters.....almost any game looks just as good or better on my Rage Fury Pro and so does 2D and DVD, also the games are extremely smooth....i got a steady stream of 40fps in most games with everything maxed out (1024x768x32), but with the Geforce2 i go from 25-60-90-120-30fps and the game isnt smooth at all......and all these drivers do si confuse me, sure i get points increases, but some drivers play my game better, and im just too lazy to sift through......

Also about the comparisons:

technology:

Ati-Intel (old school chip maker, higher quality(no third party manufacturers), run cooler, less power)

Nvidia-AMD (hot chips, lower quality(third party manufacturers=crappy via chipsets), pure speed)

reminds me of an oc.com review of Golden Orb compared to Vos32.....the golden orb (ATI) is like the russian design of finesse and design (backk when the gorb could really cool those celly 600s) and the Vos32(Nvidia) is like the American solution of throw all your muscle at it, and it should work.......

Psychologyy:

ATI=AMD (underdog, keeping a monopolistic company from exploiting people, lower prices)

Nvidia=Intel(brainwashing public, when it had the chance, ripped people off)

whatever way we look at it though we have to realize that these are both huge corporations, AMD has been around since the before the time of the 8086cpu (funny fact: ibm asked intel to get a second company to back them up, and guess whos success they started up?), and ATI is much older than Nvidia, back in the day the debate was Matrox vbs ATIvs 3dfx noone was paying attention to a subpar TNT......ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY....you can say this company has the moral highroad, but they dont, its all greed....if Nvidia dies tomorrow ATI is going to charge 500$ for their cards, if AMD supplants Intel CPUs are going to cost 350$ for a value chip once more (anybody remeber the pentiumII after Cyrix faded away)....i dont see why people get so upset about these things...whoa, nice lecture....:beer:

[kevin_bouchard]

Hi I am looking for a allaround rounded card(good graphics and speed at the same time)
these are the 2 cards i was thinking about:
Asus V7700 GeForce2 GTS 32MB DDR for 190$cnd
and
Ati Radeon 32mb DDR for 245$cnd

which one would you guys suggest and why, also does anyone know about those 3d glasses? what is the best gfx card to get for those and the cost of the card+glasses.

thanks:cool:

btw I currently have a Rage Fury pro 32mb vivo card, is it worth the upgrade(going into gaming)?

[funnyperson1]

if you have a PIII800mhz or higher i found that the Rage Fury Pro does quite a nice job....i was even playing max payne at medium detail at 1024x768x32 oin that baby.....but you will definately see a huge increase with a new card, but if you wait a while prices will go down and you will get a better card for the money.....also those prices seem inflated, ask cisco kid aout good candian card retailers, the two cards you suggested should be around the same price and if they were id go with the ATI, the graphics look better, and arent that much slower (speciallly at higher resolutions) maybe 5-10fps.....for about 300$ you should be able to pick up a Radeon 7500, look around the canadiain websites, and that would be an awesome midlevel card....

[Zuck Gou :)]

Originally posted by kevin_bouchard
Hi I am looking for a allaround rounded card(good graphics and speed at the same time)
these are the 2 cards i was thinking about:
Asus V7700 GeForce2 GTS 32MB DDR for 190$cnd
and
Ati Radeon 32mb DDR for 245$cnd

which one would you guys suggest and why, also does anyone know about those 3d glasses? what is the best gfx card to get for those and the cost of the card+glasses.

thanks:cool:

btw I currently have a Rage Fury pro 32mb vivo card, is it worth the upgrade(going into gaming)?

$245?! Aye-carumba!

A Radeon 32mb DDR LE (a normal 32mb DDR after a little trick :)) is $123 here in Vancouver (anitec.ca)

[Pinky]

Uh, yeah... well

I dunno, they both play games...

yeah, 2D is better with ATI's RAMDAC...

Ummmm, well... "we need better drivers for comparison"...

Yeah, 'did you get that memo?'

[Kingslayer]

Yeah people are getting tired of the nVidia VS ATI thing. I however love it. Good vs Evil, Blue vs Grey, Hatfields vs McCoys.

Nothing but good things are going to come from this war.

Reduced prices and better technology.

[kevin_bouchard]

thanks, I guess i will wait and not buy the video card from where I live(probably will buy online)

thanks

edit:Zuck Gou:) i check the site you posted and i saw the Asus v8200 gforce3 for 324$ man that is great compared to the price were i live(575$)

[Zuck Gou :)]

Glad to hear it :)

[GeckoBanzai]

Doesn't it all depend on how much you are willing to spend to stay close to the "cutting edge"? Today Radeon is king tomorrow Gforce and the very next day its something else. What would seem like a safe bet today is gone tomorrow (3DFX).

I like to stay with six month to year old tech. Let the guys who can afford to beta test technology do so and reap the rewards of
darwinian economics, bugs worked out and driver stability.