Intel is fighting Nvidia?

[#18]

I was just reading some products reviews on newegg, and I came across this

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Cons: Motherboard support for SLi is weak. I wish Intel/nVidia would quit fighting and give the consumers what they want. An Intel Conroe Solution with SLi !! SLi would work with Intel motherboards if nVidia wouldn't block it in the driver. Silly.
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I am just curious. What is this about? Anyone can explain a bit please?

I was addicated to some games for the last a few years, now I know pretty much nothing updated news about such things.

Does that mean nvidia sympathetic with AMD? LOL...

[sicloan]

SLI does not work on the intel northbridge chipset (best overclocking chipset) because nVidia doesnt allow it in thier video drivers. Although it is possible with hacked drivers.

[Phrenetical]

To put things in perspective they are not really fighting.

In the recent past, nVidia and AMD have been collaborating to make chipsets, and their tech work well together.

And Intel was also working with ATI to make much better chipsets and crossfire support for conroe.


Intel wasn't fighting with nVidia, they just didn't care about nVidia SLI.

That all changed when AMD bought ATI, Intel would have to be stupid to send their production specs to ATI now who is owned by intels major competitor. And now that AMD is partenered with ATI, nVidia won't go near AMD with product specs.

So u ask why didnt AMD buy nVidia, simple, to expensive, why did they buy ATI, same kind of company and expertise for less dollars.

So now Intel is scrambling to support nVidia and distance itself in the longrun from ATI, and everyone is adjusting to the new playground...

[Shell]

So does that mean ATI... hmm... the irony...

[Goshawk]

SLI does not work on the intel northbridge chipset (best overclocking chipset) because nVidia doesnt allow it in thier video drivers. Although it is possible with hacked drivers.

Literally, the ONLY thing seperating us from SLI on an Intel chipset is in the driver itself. I can't give the details on exactly how this is occomplished ( as i'd be violating the TOS on the OCForums ) but it IS possible with current hardware / software that is readily available.

If you do enough googling.... :beer:



~ Gos

[#18]

To put things in perspective they are not really fighting.

In the recent past, nVidia and AMD have been collaborating to make chipsets, and their tech work well together.

And Intel was also working with ATI to make much better chipsets and crossfire support for conroe.


Intel wasn't fighting with nVidia, they just didn't care about nVidia SLI.

That all changed when AMD bought ATI, Intel would have to be stupid to send their production specs to ATI now who is owned by intels major competitor. And now that AMD is partenered with ATI, nVidia won't go near AMD with product specs.

So u ask why didnt AMD buy nVidia, simple, to expensive, why did they buy ATI, same kind of company and expertise for less dollars.

So now Intel is scrambling to support nVidia and distance itself in the longrun from ATI, and everyone is adjusting to the new playground...


So ATI was bought by AMD. I thought ATI was doing well in video cards market, while AMD is not doing so well in CPU market...consider each of their market share.

So I guess the underdog of CPU market still is much bigger than the major player of video card market?

Also does that mean ATI is making money for AMD now?

It is also weird, you said that Intel was working with ATI, and AMD was working with Nvidia. While Intel and AMD don't get along, ATI and Nvidia don't get along, so now... lol... Intel can no longer get close to ATI, and Nvidia can no longer get close to AMD either?

[Goshawk]

So ATI was bought by AMD. I thought ATI was doing well in video cards market, while AMD is not doing so well in CPU market...consider each of their market share.

So I guess the underdog of CPU market still is much bigger than the major player of video card market?

Also does that mean ATI is making money for AMD now?

It is also weird, you said that Intel was working with ATI, and AMD was working with Nvidia. While Intel and AMD don't get along, ATI and Nvidia don't get along, so now... lol... Intel can no longer get close to ATI, and Nvidia can no longer get close to AMD either?

The Grant County boards are still going to be produced ( D101GGCL, D102GGCL.. intel boards, ATI Express 200 Chipset ) So they're close enough. I had heard a rumor that they were discontinued at the end of the year, but apparently thats BS.

What confuses me, is nVidia is loosely regarded as AMD's savior back when the via boards were/are crap.

The AMD/ATI thing was some major back-stabbage the likes of which, you and I will only benefit from hardware wise as leaps in tech happen down the line.

Also, makes for some really interesting morning coffee reading over at anandtech :P


~ Gos

[Daleon]

The NV line of MB's have been great for AMD. But ATI's chipsets have been improving quite a bit and the new RD600 could be pretty nice to. So its not like AMD is going to be out in the cold even if NV dropped them.

For the most part this merger is nothing but good news for ATI. It gives them a step up in production, research, and capital to really take the fight to NV. I'd say in two or three generations from now an ATI/AMD developed board will be putting the hurt on NV.

[Phrenetical]

So ATI was bought by AMD.
Correct

I thought ATI was doing well in video cards market, while AMD is not doing so well in CPU market...consider each of their market share.
Somewhat correct, ATI wasn't doing as well as you think, nVidia market share is much much larger then ATI's



So I guess the underdog of CPU market still is much bigger than the major player of video card market?
correct


Also does that mean ATI is making money for AMD now?
Maybe.... ATI lost a 100million a year deal on their Intel chipsets when they were bought by AMD


It is also weird, you said that Intel was working with ATI, and AMD was working with Nvidia.
Correct

While Intel and AMD don't get along, ATI and Nvidia don't get along, so now... lol... Intel can no longer get close to ATI, and Nvidia can no longer get close to AMD either?
Correct

You pretty much said everything i said ,, wd :beer:


It is a very starnage market now, it is much more complicated then it used to be, and there will be much less compatibility between the big four in the future.

YOu still have about 1 -2 yrs though of things remaining relatively unchanged by the merger, but after that it is anyones guess....

Not to mention Intel is gearing up for a run at the graphics market also, so they won't be buddying with nVidia to much like everyone thinks.

[nd4spdbh2]

so what you guys are saying is if i buy a ASUS p5w DH delux... somwhere down the road nvidia will make their SLI drivers work on intel chipsets?

[Evilsizer]

Not to mention Intel is gearing up for a run at the graphics market also, so they won't be buddying with nVidia to much like everyone thinks.
just think a conroe like gpu that is a killer... omg that would be sweet monster power with alot less heat. would that mean a dual core gpu per pcb then... o the thoughts on this from intel...

so what you guys are saying is if i buy a ASUS p5w DH delux... somwhere down the road nvidia will make their SLI drivers work on intel chipsets?
rumored at the end of this month, i think its going to be sometime next time.

[scott d]

So ATI was bought by AMD. I thought ATI was doing well in video cards market, while AMD is not doing so well in CPU market...consider each of their market share.

AMD is actually doing really well right now. Looking at market share, intel is still ahead, but not nearly as far ahead as they once were.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/08/21/8383599/index.htm

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Somewhat correct, ATI wasn't doing as well as you think, nVidia market share is much much larger then ATI's

are you sure about that? i thought ATI was WAAAAAAAYYYYY in the lead, when you consider all the chips they supply for cellphones, pda's, laptops, etc, etc, etc.

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

just think a conroe like gpu that is a killer... omg that would be sweet monster power with alot less heat. would that mean a dual core gpu per pcb then... o the thoughts on this from intel...


Yes, But a CPU and a GPU are 2 very very very different things. I read that it would take a P4 at 20ghz to do what a normal GPU does today. Two very different technologies, one of which Intel does not have extensive background and technical aspects as does a company like nVidia or ATI. Intel will be working very very hard to produce a GPU like ATI or nVidia without either ones help. Not saying it cant be done, but it will take a lot of work/money from Intel.

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

are you sure about that? i thought ATI was WAAAAAAAYYYYY in the lead, when you consider all the chips they supply for cellphones, pda's, laptops, etc, etc, etc.


Exacttly.. People forget that ATI has a chip in almost every graphical electronic in the market today. Open up your TV, youll see a chip produced by ATI in there.

[Evilsizer]

Yes, But a CPU and a GPU are 2 very very very different things. I read that it would take a P4 at 20ghz to do what a normal GPU does today. Two very different technologies, one of which Intel does not have extensive background and technical aspects as does a company like nVidia or ATI. Intel will be working very very hard to produce a GPU like ATI or nVidia without either ones help. Not saying it cant be done, but it will take a lot of work/money from Intel.
why is it i have to remind people of intel older video card that did rather well in a lot of games vs what NV/ATI had at the time. this was back in the q2 days, as irrc it was the I740 starforce video card.

yep after some googling i was right but its was "starfighter I740"
these are rather old
http://www.tweak3d.net/reviews/real3d/starfighteragp/real3d-starfighter-2.shtml
http://www.tomshardware.com/1998/02/14/3d_winbench_98_/page5.html
http://www.thg.ru/graphic/19980427/print.html

now remember intel never had a video card before this release that was add-on. The numbers for then are very respectable vs the other cards. if the team that did conroe was that good with GPU's you could only imagine what they would come out with.. like i said to much to wonder about what they have in the works.

[nd4spdbh2]

if intel was to come out with a gfx card line that was as much as a kick in the ass as the conroe is to amd.... IT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!:beer:


i just cant wait till certified SLI on INtel boards!!!

[Cheator]

Exacttly.. People forget that ATI has a chip in almost every graphical electronic in the market today. Open up your TV, youll see a chip produced by ATI in there.

This might be so but Nvidia is still a bigger company. They had their own fabs IIRC (or at least some of them) where as ATI didn't. They were still kickn ass and taking names, however.

[#18]

I thought back in the day of 9800Pro was the best ATI video card, ATI had the bigger market share in video card that year? Am I right? And that was only 3 years ago.

A few years didn't try to catch the news, I guess everything changed.


umm so what exactly is the market share of Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. Nvidia?

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

C2D + Sli = http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2820&p=2

[the garynator]

from what I recall, intel isn't exactly noobz at the graphix game...if I remember correctly, intel actually owned most of the market share in graphix as of recently (at least within the last couple years). Granted it isn't the high end gaming market, but up until recently, nearly all of intel retail box computers/ manufactured computers had intel powered graphix.

Even though they don't have recent experience in high end, they probably better off than we've been giving them credit for. And considering how much capital they have to throw around, It probably wouldn't take them long to really take a hold of the graphics industry.

Just my thoughts, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, it's been a long while since I've had time to read up on random/semi-obscure stuff such as market shares :shrug:

-Gary

[Phrenetical]

Thats correct nVidia is on the 2 - 3 times as large as ATI in market value.

They have invested in their own fabs and hence their ability to usually beat ATI to market and have many more cards for sale then ATI usually ever do.


ATI was bought for 5 billion or so, you would prob need double that to buy nVidia maybe more considering they have no reason to sell or merge with anyone.

[#18]

Thats correct nVidia is on the 2 - 3 times as large as ATI in market value.

They have invested in their own fabs and hence their ability to usually beat ATI to market and have many more cards for sale then ATI usually ever do.


ATI was bought for 5 billion or so, you would prob need double that to buy nVidia maybe more considering they have no reason to sell or merge with anyone.

I thought 3 years ago ATI had bigger market share in video cards during 9800Pro as top card period. And when ATI is not leading, the difference was small. Since when it became just like Intel vs. AMD?

[johnsally]

To put things in perspective they are not really fighting.

In the recent past, nVidia and AMD have been collaborating to make chipsets, and their tech work well together.

And Intel was also working with ATI to make much better chipsets and crossfire support for conroe.


Intel wasn't fighting with nVidia, they just didn't care about nVidia SLI.

That all changed when AMD bought ATI, Intel would have to be stupid to send their production specs to ATI now who is owned by intels major competitor. And now that AMD is partenered with ATI, nVidia won't go near AMD with product specs.

So u ask why didnt AMD buy nVidia, simple, to expensive, why did they buy ATI, same kind of company and expertise for less dollars.

So now Intel is scrambling to support nVidia and distance itself in the longrun from ATI, and everyone is adjusting to the new playground...

amd tried to buy nvidia, but they didnt want to sell because i believe the ceo of the company did not want to be working under amd.