MousePot on Master card [Archive]

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 09:04 AM

gathering pics...

the plan here is to D-Ice cool the Master card and MachII cool the Slave (XTX) card.

(pic from Gocchin on XS)
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8530/gpupots2insidevc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

use D-ice to remove RAM sinks
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1351/pict0326ew4.jpg

initial insulation job is TOO thick to fit on MASTER card :(
(this is NOT finished insulation... i KNOW those screws/base copper will NEED to be covered :p)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6610/pict0328xo4.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2843/pict0327aw2.jpg

MINIMAL insulation testing... air-flow is a MUST!!!
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9492/pict0329fw3.jpg

Contact test... does it get any better :D
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5761/pict0330rm3.jpg

LOTS of work to do B4 actually running this.

mobo insulation / protection will be a MUST etc etc ... will try to keep updating here.

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Joe Camel

09-03-06, 11:45 AM

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pot #2 doesn't really look usable to me :(

these are dents ... the one is DEAD CENTER and VERY DEEP : CRY :

NOTE: THESE ARE PROTOTYPE TUBES
AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE QUALITY
OF "COMMERCIAL" MOUSEPOTS!!!!!!!!!

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8096/pict0331fp7.jpg

Epox: i guess im psychic :shrug:

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NEW insulation
there was a thinner pipe section sent with the "kit"

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3814/pict0334nn8.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1351/pict0333ck7.jpg

still gets sweaty without ANY air-flow

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3374/pict0339ik9.jpg

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/5042/pict0338ke8.jpg

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/4342/pict0336xh4.jpg

but a little air-flow clears that right up :D

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8383/pict0340iv2.jpg

now to warm this thing up ... mount it... and see if it fits... ...

its going to be VERY close but im 75% sure it will SQUEEZE in there....

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Joe Camel

09-03-06, 12:02 PM

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card prep:

there is a thick GLOPPY layer of dielectric grease under that 3/16" foam
and the plan is the same for the back

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1692/pict0341sh5.jpg

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 12:51 PM

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i think we have a weeee-ner :D:D:D

the added thickness of the back insulation on the XTX card will make this already TIGHT SQUEEZE even TIGHTER but i still think it will work ;)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4556/pict0343wk5.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1812/pict0342fk5.jpg

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 01:02 PM

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couldnt get ANY tighter!!!!

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9705/pict0344an4.jpg

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/4970/pict0345dq8.jpg

maxxoverclocker

09-03-06, 01:12 PM

lmao dannnnng... nice job. lmao i love the overkill cooling- u better bench the hell outa that thing :)

CCUABIDExORxDIE

09-03-06, 01:16 PM

HERE COMES THE PAIN! bench scores getting destroy pain.

Max0r

09-03-06, 01:24 PM

Great for LAN parties too ^__________^

My kind of LAN parties...

rhino56

09-03-06, 01:48 PM

very nice!! i was wondering who got the pots lol

g0dM@n

09-03-06, 02:07 PM

has anyone ever done double dice on xfire?

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 02:47 PM

i assume its been done, KingPin benches SLI with "tube" cooling (probably NL2)

and i think he does CPU "tube" cooled too.... 3x tubes :eek: thats A LOT to keep up with!!!

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 02:54 PM

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last shot of card prep:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2561/pict0351jz7.jpg

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now for some MOBO prep shots:

cut to "fit" foam parts:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8536/pict0348bx0.jpg

got GREASE?

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6919/pict0347rh0.jpg

ready for action (i hope)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1594/pict0349kg3.jpg

g0dM@n

09-03-06, 03:16 PM

i like how you call it the CAMEL PIPE in ur sig, lol...

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 03:24 PM

LOL ya :D and i LOVE the fact that ive got a Camel Pipe and a Mouse Pot :p

sounds like a killa' combo dont it? :beer:

im NOT crazy enough to go straight to CF so ill be doing a single (Master Card) run to make sure this all works :rolleyes:

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2218/pict0352hs3.jpg

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bazx

09-03-06, 03:52 PM

great job on the insulation joe i think you will be ok

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 05:26 PM

think im running into a cold bug... i have BOTH serviced disabled though :-/

Epox4life

09-03-06, 05:47 PM

Nice setup! Good luck with that X1900CF and the cold bug.

Joe Camel

09-03-06, 06:02 PM

cant pin it down just yet...

seems like when my temp probe (IN A BAD PLACE) hits -45C or ATT hits -56C :eek: i get reboots and cant get windows to load :-/

still haven't spent enough time on this though

taking a break for dinner than back @ it (probably an all nighter :D)
or till the ICE runs out :(

was able to hit 864/864 AQUA stable BUT this is (i hope) not even close to MAX ;);)
(good place to start off the next session @ though :D)

Joe Camel

09-04-06, 02:15 AM

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not TOO bad for a slave card :)

was hoping for more out of the CPU though :shrug:

o and ive run into a minor problem...

COLD BUG?!!!!

less than -55C reading on ATT temp and it LOCKS!!
wont reboot till things warm up :mad:

yes, i have BOTH services disabled.

ANY SUGGESTIONS??

im running hipro5's volt settings (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1331436&postcount=20) already

IE MAX everything except MVDDQ at 2.151

so i get to play controlled cooling... dropping in a small part of a pellet or two trying to keep up with heat load.

its NOT very conducive to tweaking CPU and mem settings

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1035/17430mastercardgx4.jpg

Joe Camel

09-04-06, 03:10 AM

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going CF now....

fingers crossed ;)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8881/pict0353bb8.jpg

Epox4life

09-04-06, 04:23 AM

good luck, whats the most your getting out of the cpu? 4.5ghz? Interested in the vcore your using.

El<(')>Maxi

09-04-06, 04:45 AM

Hehe, you mad man Joe! :D

Well the only thing I can think of is to set maxed voltages before you run it down in temp but maybe you already doing that. If it's locking up with max voltages then there isn't anything you can do except control the temperature. That makes things a little more interesting for sure but once you get a few sessions in it won't be as big a deal. You are getting some very nice clocks on the master, especially the memory and if you can run CF at those clocks look out. Your insulation is damn nice too as bazx said.

I'm curious what your temperatures look like coming out of the bench with that tube - ie how well does it hold a load?

Good luck tonight, we all wanna see some records fall.

Joe Camel

09-04-06, 06:18 AM

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ya, maxed volts already :(

its a REAL PITA!!!

temps are VERY dependent on how big a piece of D-Ice i put in... trying to hold some kind of temp but if im too loaded (with Ice) when the bench ends, temp fall too low and it locks.

lets put it this way, if i put in just ONE full pellet, without load, its LOCK city in no time. so im using pieces the size of the tip of your pinkie finger :rolleyes:

i ran out of Ice just a bit ago :(

cant say im too impressed with my scores given the clocks im running.

barely broke 25k in 05 @ 810/931 :-/

this was the only "bright" spot of the night:

840/931
450 x 10 , 1:1 , 3-3-3

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8153/231422aquatw0.jpg

NoL

09-04-06, 10:42 AM

cant say im too impressed with my scores given the clocks im running.

barely broke 25k in 05 @ 810/931
Well 25k is a huge deal still, I'm happy with 1/5 the score.
Overall, jason ran close to 900/950 I beleive on master and xtx for his 25k AMD run.

Joe Camel

09-04-06, 11:40 AM

good luck, whats the most your getting out of the cpu? 4.5ghz? Interested in the vcore your using.
well, i ran 4.7GHz without the volt-mods so there is probably no need for it but i ran 1.720V CPU all night just to make it easy.

thats the readout on my DMM and in BIOS.

considering i could hit 4.7's Pi 1M and high 4.6's Pi 32M im a bit disappointed it took me down to 4.500 in 3D

PS the CPU volt-mod did NOT get me any higher than what i could do un-modded.

Well 25k is a huge deal still, I'm happy with 1/5 the score.
Overall, jason ran close to 900/950 I beleive on master and xtx for his 25k AMD run.

thanks NoL :beer:

i bet with more time to tweak i could eek out more, but trying to keep up with BOTH tubes and that STUPID cold-bug had me running around like MAD!!

id need a 2nd set of hands (or NO cold-bug) to pull off a concentrated tweak session.

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Gautam

09-04-06, 11:55 AM

Well 25k is a huge deal still, I'm happy with 1/5 the score.
Overall, jason ran close to 900/950 I beleive on master and xtx for his 25k AMD run.
Jason got 20.6k (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1901399) not 25k on AMD at 890/850. 25K on AMD is completely impossible. Don't get me wrong, that score is one of the greatest 3D achievements ever in my book.

231k sounds like an ATi WR...so as far as Maxi's concerned, highest score on the planet. :p

Something about the CPUs seems weird at the colder temps. The best CPU's can pi in the 5.3-5.5 gig range, but 3D seems to fall hundreds of MHz. Even Vince is at "only" 5.1 IIRC. For me Pi stable to full 3D was just a bit over 100MHz drop. :shrug:

Macci and Sampsa, and Jason of course have done "double DICE", I think Maxi has tried? Triple LN2 so far has only been done by k|ngp|n and Kinc AFAIK.

-55 is a very good cold bug trust me. Majority of them eff up around -30, some awful ones like my old one and Pedro's as high as the single digits.

Mix alcohol with the acetone to push the temps up to an appropriate level next time. Heck, could even go with pure alcohol, but it'll be a good 10C hotter at least.

xTrEmEoVrClOcKr

09-04-06, 11:59 AM

Nice results / insulation. Damn that coldbug :(.

Joe Camel

09-04-06, 12:17 PM

woot... its Gautam!
glad to see you made the trip safe and sound :D

+10C would (could) help A LOT ... ill get some B4 my next session :beer: thanks for the tip :thup:

one "pinkie tip" sized pellet just cant hold much of a load so being able to keep a few pieces in there would REALLY make things easier on me :D

EDIT:

nope, no ATi WR ... kyosen got: 242,000 +

http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/AM3_242186_X6800_5.0G.png

but his was "ALL CPU" (5.0GHz) if i had his CPU setup and MY CF ... :drool:

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NoL

09-04-06, 12:49 PM

Jason got 20.6k not 25k on AMD at 890/850
Wow **** I scewered that one. Sorry bout the misinformation.

traldan

09-04-06, 09:32 PM

*drool* Can't wait to see more of what comes of this sick setup.

Joe Camel

09-06-06, 03:16 PM

got a container of denatured alcohol and 37lbs of D-Ice....

ghod i hope this keeps me above the bug temp :Pray:

will post ANY (good) news ASAP :p

Joe Camel

09-06-06, 09:52 PM

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25601 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2199497) 3D 05

things act like in slow motion, much easier to control, but i can still over cool it and run into problems... o the problems :rolleyes:

got to

GPU: 846/945 :D (now THATS the fastest CF out there... i think)
CPU: 450x10 :-/

will add details tomorrow.

t-tha t-tha t-tha thats ALL folks

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One Bull

09-07-06, 09:08 AM

Ohh that's just awesome :D

CCUABIDExORxDIE

09-07-06, 02:00 PM

goodwork joe camel. you never cease to amaze us with your high scores :)

BooStFeD

09-07-06, 05:55 PM

Joe Camel

09-07-06, 10:22 PM

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BIG things boys :D:D:D

3D 01: 80455 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9042523)
#8 WORLD ORB

3D 03: 47397 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4949068)
#5 WORLD ORB
(#1 WORLD ORB X1900 CF)

3D 05: 25968 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2201135)
#5 WORLD ORB
(took out Pedro Rocha & Ricky with THAT run :D)

3D 06: 13804 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=480331)
#3 WORLD ORB
(#1 WORLD ORB X1900 CF)

hey Gautam, looks like i got my 3 spots on the hall of fame this season too (as soon as its updated) :clap::clap::clap:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9996/wr03tk5.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5497/2596805tl4.jpg

Gautam

09-07-06, 10:45 PM

f***ing insane! No other words...

Joe Camel

09-07-06, 10:51 PM

:cry: ...thanks man!!

i owe A LOT to you :thup:

ALL tweak settings AND Denatured Alcohol for the GPU...

without your help NONE of these scores would be possible!!!!

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/446/3xspotshalloffame2bn3.jpg

One Bull

09-08-06, 08:31 AM

sick scores man :O

BooStFeD

09-08-06, 09:28 AM

:drool: :drool: :drool: wow congrats JC :beer: Way to spank those 3d marks :D .

Immortal_Hero

09-08-06, 09:53 AM

Wow, flippin insane!

rhino56

09-09-06, 12:12 PM

very nice man congrats :beer:

Joe Camel

09-09-06, 07:36 PM

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some of you may remember this (from the 1st post):

pot #2 doesn't really look usable to me

these are dents ... the one is DEAD CENTER and VERY DEEP : CRY :

NOTE: THESE ARE PROTOTYPE TUBES
AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE QUALITY
OF "COMMERCIAL" MOUSEPOTS!!!!!!!!!

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8096/pict0331fp7.jpg

well, since The Camel Pipe is off getting tested against some of the BEST "commercial" CPU containers in
mikeguava's comparison review of Dry Ice / LN2 containers (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114877)
the rig is down.

o and im going on VACATION ALL next week :D:D so i wont "miss" the tube while its gone ;)

anyway....(sorry)

i decided to work on the base seen above....

a little elbow grease....
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/176/pict0363hz1.jpg

a little more elbow grease....
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8928/pict0365wn2.jpg

a little MORE elbow grease
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7643/pict0374us0.jpg

i wont kid you, a finished GPU mouse pot is NOT easy to lap.
but i did the best i could.

(yet ANOTHER thing CRT monitors are better @ than LCD :mad: :rolleyes: )

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5126/pict0368fn0.jpg

assuming the rumors are true, and the X1950's DONT have the COLD BUG!! ... i might need another container

ive still got the "too big" insulation laying around, and the Slave card doesn't have any size restriction...

this will be TOO easy :P

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