What the heck is a centrino duo T2050? or a T2250?

[Time4aMassiveOC]

so i started working at circuit city and the main tech guy, and im trying to study up on all the laptops (being as i have a firm handle on the desktops already)

but when im looking at all the intel core duo processors there is no such thing as a T2050 at 1.6GHZ and no such thing as a 2250 at 1.73GHZ

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/coreduo/


plenty of 1.66's and a 1.5 but yeah, im kinda clueless as to what it is.


furthermore, ive been looking at the comparisons between the core duo and the turion x2's and forums seem to say core duo is the clear winner, but from the benches ive seen its kinda up in the air.

also i recently had a guy come in with a pentium 4 M 2.8GHZ and i sold him a turion x2 1.6 im thinking that while the dualcore1.6 will be a decent computer for him, i dont think single thread apps will run quite as fast as they did on the p4 2.8

being as the dual core 1.66's were on average less than double the performance of a single 1.6 pentium M so im thinking he basicly got a processor upgrade to 3.2ghz that is permanantly split in half lmao


even though its a decent laptop...


so yeah if anyone can throw me some helpfull links with info on what exactly those two mystery processors are, then i can make informed descisions on what to advise my customers to get .

[aaa]

They are just like the other CoreDuos except with slower bus speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core
Not sure how much slower this makes things...

I think the Turion and the CoreDuo are very close both speed and power wise. Of course the new version (whenever it starts showing up in the next month or so), Core 2 Duo will be faster than both even though it uses a little more battery to do so. Also you have the Turion TL-50, which is kinda like the 2050/2250 in that is has 256k cache instead of 512k like the faster ones... obviously this makes it a little slower than the other 1.6ghz cpus. Another thing, with AMD and the newer intel cpus (like CoreDuo), they do more work per clock, meaning a 1.6ghz AMD/new Intel will probably be equivalent to an old P4 at 2.6ghz (guessing but it's around that). That is not even including the dualcore yet, which generally makes stuff 1.75 times faster if it is supported. Anyhow I doubt Circuit City shoppers are doing stuff really intensive so the main points are dualcore making stuff work smoother and the fact that the lower clock cpus run cooler while being almost as fast as before.

[Moto7451]

Those chips use a 133MHz FSB, hence the weird numbering. They're OEM only.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

so basicly the turion X2 TL-50's at 1.6 are better or worse? or basicly the same? ive been telling everyone that they are directly comparible and that in some apps one might come out over the other but that the difference is negligible, do the turions have higher memory speed?

what fsb do the T2300's run?

[aaa]

2250>TL-50
2050 ? TL-50

The TL-50 is 5-10% slower than the 1.6g TL-52 (the second is comparable to the intels). No idea how much difference the bus speed makes for the 2050 but it is small. The T2300's run at 166/667.

[corpsejockey]

Can these duo's be pinmodded like the slower bus Dothans?

As for the 2.8 mobile vs. the duo, aaa is right. Most consumers don't multitask enough to see the benifits. Further, I always have trouble explaining the streamline arch. of the new mobile cpu's to customers. They don't seem to understand how a "slower" cpu can do more work per clock. The only huge advantage that your average joe seems to understand is battery life and heat. Most intel laptops I service from the s478 era have serious overheating/BSOD issues, and the batteries only last 1-1.5 hours. Only help I can give them is AS5 on the core and blow the unit out with a compressor.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

so nobody really knows which is better clock for clock? i saw an amd benchmark but im going to guess that they were a little bit biased lol.

oh and we finnaly got a core 2 duo in. jeez... i was getting tired of telling people that the centrino duos were the end all beat all when i know that dell has core 2 duos... at least now i can get them a decent cpu deal when they spend anything over 800-900$ before this core 2 duo laptop showed up anything beyond that 800-900$ limit was basicly a ripoff.

and is it just the laptops and desktops we carry or have all manufacturors stopped providing a windows reinstalation disk? because none of ours do.
every dell ive ever bought had one... i just got a rather irate call from a lady 2 days ago demanding we provide one. when we have none to provide. man was she ****ed... understandably... i would be too if someone told me the moment i had to reinstall windows iw ould have to go purchase a 200-300$ retail version of xp home/pro or order an OEM online

[Mooyo]

Certain manuf. stopped giving recovery disks. At my Best Buy for lappies Toshibas come with them and some Gateways do (it's really hit or miss). Other's will have a partion set aside for recovery. Emachine desktops have the CDs. As far as I remember thats it.

As far as that lady goes, all you have to do is contact the manuf. and they send one out for you if it's a seriously bad case. We do it at Geek Squad from time to time if we have no way of getting ahold of or making the CD/DVDs ourself. Mind you that will cost some money, at least for shipping it out.

[Time4aMassiveOC]

as to the recovery disks we make. those arnt to actually reinstall windows i dont think they just restore the files and settings to what they were when you made the restore disk right? which would be kinda useless if your desktop could no longer boot, unless they are bootable... i havnt actually used any of them yet so i really dont know what they do.

they are completly different from the windows reinstallation disks where you can install on a new harddrive in my understanding tho.

[corpsejockey]

HP/Compaq and most newer Emachines require you to make the os recovery and driver/app recovery discs from start>all programs>recovery tools (or something similar). The os recovery disc is the normal restore that used to come standard with every pc. It will reinstall Windows. HP/Compaq requires you to go to advanced recovery options for a destructive restore, but Emachines will reformat the drive before restoring by default. Gateways and Toshibas still come with the os disc, but require you to make the diver and apps disc. The best is when some cheapo buys the lowest model compaq without a dvd burner, and I have to make like 15 recovery cd's - what a joke.

[EraserHead]

FYI...

The Intel site does have comparison data for the processors. Check out the chart here (http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/proc_info_table.pdf).

The only difference between the two is the clock speed: 1.60ghz vs 1.73ghz.

...EraserHead (mcallisj@gmail.com)

[Tebore]

The Turion X2 at 1.6 mops the floor with the Pentium 4-M at 2.8.

I have a 1.6 Dothan and it's significantly faster than my laptop at work which is a 2.8Ghz P4M. The 2.8 has HT too. The laptops have same amount of RAM(1Gig) and 5400RPM drives. The single Turion is very close to the Dothan in performance at the same clocks anywhere from 1%-5% difference depending on apps in favor of the Turion. A Dual core is just double the performance.

Comparing a Turion/Centrino to a P4 based roughly on Mhz is 1.5x Turion/Centrino's speed to get the P4's equivalent.