My Box have take back the present for my B-Day!!!

[The Doors]

I'm very angry,
coz like in the subject my Box have take back the present for my B-Day, or better let me explain you all the story:
in the last days I was trying, without success, to set the Fsb on my Mobo to 133Mhz to give more speed to my new Cellie 900Mhz, and I got always a black screen at boot-up a nothing else. So I've tried to set an higher VCore and/or Vio, a more conservative mem settings (3-3-3), using only one mem module, nothing :confused: yesterday I've tried another time to go @1.20Ghz, and with great surprise it worked, I used all the prg's possible to check the stability and it worked Rock stable, but this morning I turned on my system and it gave my the F.....g black screen of the death, so I've tried to reboot many many times, nothing, so I'm come back to 124Mhz, all right!
This is the same prob that I got in the past with the Cellie 600@900Mhz, never it reboots and sometimes it won't boot-up.
Looking the Diagnostic LED on the Mobo I understand that this is a prob of 'Decompressing Bios image into RAM for a fast booting' or 'Initializing HD controller' I know I must be sure about, I'll check it.
What do you suggest me?
I really don't know what to do, there's something in the Bios to set for a slower Boot-up??? coz I suppose this is the prob :confused:

[Godfodda]

Well, from looking at the first message, it seems like maybe you could try disabling BIOS caching (I forget what the option is called, though). The second error sounds more like PCI bus problems.

And if disabling the BIOS caching works, post back and let us know. That might be a nice little trick... if it works. :)

[Pinky]

I had the exact same issues with my current board. Spent 3 hours pulling my hair(s) out before wiggling the video card and having her fire right up :).

If the chips runs at defaults but doesn't at overclocked speeds, the I'd say it's fubar. If it's not running at all, I'd say to check all your main components (video, memory, etc) again just to be sure.

[tainice]

Are u absolute that when fsb at 133 ur mobo is rock stable? did ja use prime95 to check any error? Next time, if you can hit fsb 133, remember to use prime95, for i think the problem is due to the fact that your mobo is not "completely" stable. just my bs.

[The Doors]

Originally posted by Godfodda
Well, from looking at the first message, it seems like maybe you could try disabling BIOS caching (I forget what the option is called, though). The second error sounds more like PCI bus problems.

And if disabling the BIOS caching works, post back and let us know. That might be a nice little trick... if it works. :)
If I remember well the Bios caching is just disabled, I'll check it, I hope is this :) will be really cool, but I suppose that is more diffcult.
About the possible Pci prob, well, this is a i815E Pro Mobo so the chipset automatically set the AGP/PCI divider, and also consider that it works Rock Stable with a FSB@124Mhz, very far from the Specs, so why not at 133Mhz with all the rest in the Specs?!
I've checked the stability @124Mhz with Prime95, Folding@Home that works all day and 3DMark2001, so I'm really scectic about this way :(

[The Doors]

Originally posted by Pinky
I had the exact same issues with my current board. Spent 3 hours pulling my hair(s) out before wiggling the video card and having her fire right up :).

If the chips runs at defaults but doesn't at overclocked speeds, the I'd say it's fubar. If it's not running at all, I'd say to check all your main components (video, memory, etc) again just to be sure.
I'm sorry Pinky, but I haven't understand what you say.
What you did it with your Vid card? and when your speak about the chips, you wanna mean the Cpu or the mem modules?

[The Doors]

Originally posted by tainice
Are u absolute that when fsb at 133 ur mobo is rock stable? did ja use prime95 to check any error? Next time, if you can hit fsb 133, remember to use prime95, for i think the problem is due to the fact that your mobo is not "completely" stable. just my bs.
I'm absolutly sure that the system is Rock stable @124Mhz, not @133Mhz, this is the prob!?

[The Doors]

I'm thinking to a possible vid card prob, it's an Asus V3800 Pure TNT2 with 32Mb and AGP 2x & 1X, not 4x, and Hs improved. In the next days I'll get a new one for my Dad so I'll be able to made a comparative test. I'm really confused :confused:

[tainice]

yeah, i think that might be the problem, for not that long ago, when i was runnin my silly300a@ 504(remember? i fried my cpus.:( ), similar thing happened to me. But with 4 fans blowing, i was able to boot @504, then i ran prime95, just to make sure, A-ha..there was some error..so i conclued that my failur to boot was due the reason that mobo was not completely stabe..before and now. anyway, my piii 700e and vos32 will come next week, so am pretty happy @450.

[The Doors]

I've never got an error @124Mhz, this is the prob :(
and about the cooling section, well, I'm using a Pep66/Delta38@7v on the Cpu and also a lot of Sunon's fans into the case: 3 for the intake, 2x92 + 1x80 that sucks air to the Pc/Agp/Cpu, and 3 for the exhaust, 1x120 + 1x80 + 1x80 (Ps fan).

[Pinky]

That's OK doors, I wasn't saying much anyway :).

It sounds like the chip (CPU) isn't making 133mhz bus with that motherboard. The celeron 900 is not guaranteed to run over 1200mhz, remember it's a cD0 but not a tualatin... speeds with any of the original P3/celeron cores are not guaranteed over 1100. 1200mhz might be more than your CPU can handle... my P3 1GHZ hit 1200 but with a fight and only when running windows 2000; once I installed XP Pro it wouldn't run higher than 1150mhz.

[The Doors]

I totally agree with you, Pinky,
but it was the same with the old Cellie 600@900Mhz, so I suppose is something else, and not the chip, or better I hope :)

[Pinky]

Originally posted by The Doors
I totally agree with you, Pinky,
but it was the same with the old Cellie 600@900Mhz, so I suppose is something else, and not the chip, or better I hope :)

I respect your determination.

I just don't want to see you spending all your time when it was something as obvious as the cpu just not cutting it ;).

[The Doors]

At this point the best is to try with the 133Mhz on another Mobo, but at the moment I've only TB Mobo's :( I need to ask to some friend to do it.
Uhmm... wait a moment, I've another Pc with an Asus P2B-F & a Cellie 333Mhz Slot1, if I remember well, it can be very usefull, I need only of a good Slotket, but now are become really difficult to found, almost in Italy, but like you said, I'm very determinated, so I'll look for :mad:

[The Doors]

Other suggestions guys & gals?
Come on, I need of all the support possible, and this is the right place to ask for!
The Coolest place on the Net!

[tainice]

why don't you just go to the nearest shop and ask them to tast it for u? But sometimes they will charge u for it..in case like that..FIND ANOTHER STORE!

I still cannot figure out what'z wrong with your combo...:eek: Why don't you just take your Globalwin and install it on your 900, and see what happens.

[The Doors]

Thanks tainice for your suggestion, but this is really an hard way to go, here :( there aren't OC's store like in USA or UK!
About the Godfodda suggestion, well, I've checked the Bios cache option into the Bios, and is just Disabled :( and the Cpu's Internal & External caches are Enabled.

[LutaWicasa]

You could also see if you have an option in bios along the lines of Quick Power On Self Test. If you do, try disabling that. It will slow the boot time way down.

[The Doors]

Thanks LutaWicasa,
I'll try, Now :)

[The Doors]

Not, Not and still Not :mad:
it 'freeze' during the Boot-up process doing the 'Decompression Bios image to Ram for fast booting'!!!
I've tried with the Bios cache Enabled/Disabled & with Normal/Fast POST (Quick power on self test). At this point I'm really sick, this Mobo Sucks! :(

[The Doors]

Here the Mobo User manual, I really don't know what to do :confused:

[It_The_Cow]

Hmm, are you doing warm or cold boots? I know my processor wouldn't POST at 124 unless I reset the Vcore, booted in at 115, run F@H for a while, and restart at 124. To bad I didn't get past the startup, though. You might want to try using different combinations of memory stick placements as well. You might want to even try taking one out

[The Doors]

I've tried with warm and cold boots It_The_Cow,
it's always the same, and also with one mem module in the first mem slot, I'll try with the others :confused:

[It_The_Cow]

The only thing that could be keeping you back are probably the temperatures. I doubt that would be a problem, though. I'd try burning it in for a while at a higher voltage, if possible

[The Doors]

I agree with you,
I'll go for some weeks @1.85v, no more, coz the system is absolutly stable at 1123MHz, tested, but I suppose that is a Mobo probs, coz was similar with the Cellie 600@900Mhz, even if with higher temps, was 46 C @full load, 35 idle, and now are 38-39@full load and 31-32 idle! Thank you for your support ;)

[It_The_Cow]

Weakling :p I burned mine in at 1.90v for a month, 1.95v for a few hours. Still didn't get me 124, though :( Good luck with your Celeron. Hope you'll get to enjoy your late Birthday present

[The Doors]

I'll try also on another Mobo, coz I'm sure that this chip will go at 1.2Ghz and probably more. I will post results as soon as possible, thank you very much It_The_Cow :beer:

[tainice]

tell us more about your previous 600@900, any similarity? Maybe we could find a way to solve the problem by looking back...:) Don't give up!

[The Doors]

The prob was very similar: the cold boot (reboot) was Impossible, never it works! stuck at the 'Decompression Bios image to Ram for fast booting', and with warm boot difficult, but generallly fine, only sometimes I needed to boot the system 3-4 or more times to boot up and go over the POST.
Now the system doesn't boot at all @1.2Ghz with worm & cold boot, it stop during the same operation!

Really I don't know what other say, it's all written into this thread :eh?:

[deez]

Do you have a HS on your northbridge? We use those boards at work ...never OC'ed on one but I dont remember seeing a HS on the Northbridge. An old socket 7 HS with some thermal epoxy might help

or if you can find a 133FSB chip to test with that might be an easy way to end your headaches

[The Doors]

I've installed on the Northbridge the HeatSink, without fan, of my old Asus P3B-F with a very thin layer of AS II, and the temp is around 25-26 degree C. About the 133Mhz Cpu, well, I tested some months ago a P/// 800 EB with success, without any probs :( thank you very much for your support deez ;)

[deez]

Maybe you just got an unlucky chip

I only suggested northbridge cooling b/c i need extra cooling on my board to run over FSB 110. At least I hope thats the problem

old BX boards are kinda wacky sometimes

[The Doors]

Really I don't know deez, but onestly I think to a Mobo prob;
the i815 Mobos are generally without the heatsink on the chipset coz very cool if compared with the 'old' 440bx, and on mine it take a lot of of air from the two 92mm fans installed on the lateral panel of case.

[Celemine1Gig]

Did you already try another power supply?? That could be the problem!!! Or you could try to cool the northbridge, because as far as I know, the MSI 815EP as no norhbridge cooler(not even passive). I have the MSI 815EPT Pro and it also doesn't have any northbridge cooling, so I'll add an 36mm high active cooler this weekend!

[The Doors]

Originally posted by Celemine1Gig
Did you already try another power supply?? That could be the problem!!! Or you could try to cool the northbridge, because as far as I know, the MSI 815EP as no norhbridge cooler(not even passive). I have the MSI 815EPT Pro and it also doesn't have any northbridge cooling, so I'll add an 36mm high active cooler this weekend!
Thanks Celemine1Gig, I'll try with another Ps (Enermax 350w) in the next days, even if I suppose that 300w are enough for the system. About the nortbridge cooling, well, like just said, I've installed a passive heatsink token from an old P3B-F, but if the Ps test don't let me go @133Mhz, I'll try with an active heatsink ;)

[The Doors]

And the Saga continue...:D

Well, with a Glaciator II lapped and a passive HS on the SouthBridge, yes, on the SouthBridge, not on the NorthBridge ;) it boots and works absolutly stable, even if there are still some probs with warm boot, probably is really a PS prob, still not tried :rolleyes: but I'll try very soon at this point, coz this chip @1.2Ghz sucks 61.6Watts!!!

[The Doors]

Well, not sure about the Power consumption of 61.6W@1206Mhz 1.85v reported by Radiate, infact New Wattage 2 report 40.43W instead of the original 27W@900Mhz 1.75v.

[muddocktor]

Originally posted by deez
if you can find a 133FSB chip to test with that might be an easy way to end your headaches

I was just going to say this. That way you can really see if your board or the proc is the problem. If the 133 fsb chip runs fine, then your problem is your chip. Good luck with your celeron.

[The Doors]

I'm sorry, but the prob is more complex, coz the Mobo was stable with a P/// 800EB and I had the same kind of prob with my old Cellie 600@900Mhz! but just to be sure I'll make another test with a P/// 733, but I suppose to get the same results, stable.

[Flu!d]

From what I can tell you are having trouble with stability while 'initally' booting, but the system is stable otherwise, right?

If this is the case and you are using an 815 chipset mobo (which you are) you need to vid pin the chip to trick the mobo into thinking the default vcore is higher than it actially is (about 1.6 volts or higher).

What happens, and it is a fault with all 815xx chipsets and not individual mobos, is that the chipset reverts back to the chips default vcore at inital bootup and dosen't up the vcore to the user defined settings until the bios post screen....So for a few seconds there you're poor CPU is trying to boot at it's overclocked speed at standard vcore!!

Try vidpinning the chip....I know it will fix your problem....:)

[MadMan007]

Is it also possible that his MSI has a problem similar to the TUSL2 in that the 1/4 dividers don't kick in til a little over 133??

The doors: if you are able to manually set your PCI dividers make sure it is set to 1/4 before trying 133MHz bus. If you cannot set them manually, try using the next bus speed just above 133MHz. This is just a shot in the dark, but you never know...

[The Doors]

Guys, your suggestions seems to be very interesting, I will try very soon....thanks, I'll go with a 134-135Mhz of Fsb and after with the Vid Pinning Mod ;)

[The Doors]

No luck at all with higher Fsb, tried 134 & 135Mhz :eh?:

The explaination about the i815 at boot up seems to fit perfectly in my case, I will try ASAP ;)

[The Doors]

Thak you very much Flu!d!!!

You are the man!

Like you've suggested me, I've set the Vcore @1.95v with the Vid Pinning Mod (Vid2 & Vid3 connected to the Vss) and the system, stable like in the past, now boot & reboot perfectly @133Mhz! :eek:
At the moment I'm testing higher freqs too, @140Mhz POST, but freeze during the XP bootup, no a mem modules prob, probably related to the internal cache freq. too high or temps that are going into the 48-50 degree C range @full load.

Still many many thanks, I'm happy like a duck!!! :D

[The Doors]

Here a pic of the system OCed with a Fsb of 139Mhz, no more!

c:\documenti\immagini\C2 900 CD0 @1.25Ghz 1.95V.bmp

[The Doors]

Bump :rolleyes: