Core 2 duo new build which motherboard?

imposter · Oct 9, 2006

hey all im building a core 2 duo mobo rig and i dont know which motherboard to pick. i plan on overclocking as much as possible here is my set up so far.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersio...shListNumber=4278947&WishListTitle=death+star
there is no grahics card because i dont know which i want. proablly some high end 300 ati card.
everything is subject to change.

not sure which motherboard to get. coming from a AMD fanboy i am supprised in the prices of the motherboard. also i know very little in terms of intel motherboards. everything is 50+ dollars more expensive or something lol. i was looking at Asus becuase i have had endless problems with lowend boards no matter what the reviews on them were. my choices kinda lie on asus p5b. but i wasnt sure whether the deluxe series did any better in overclocking. or any other more pricey boards overclock better. i would like to stick with asus but if there are other rock solid motherboards that overclock well i am open to it. i dont really need fancy features and stuff just a stable good overclocking board. though fancy boards sometimes tend to overclock better =(.

mooreswhat · Oct 9, 2006

asus p5w-dh or p5b deluxe

kayson · Oct 9, 2006

Take a look at this article:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=c2dmb&page=17

Your build looks fine.

dicecca112 · Oct 9, 2006

search in this forum alone on a quick look there is at least 5 which board threads.

imposter · Oct 9, 2006

kayson said:
Take a look at this article:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=c2dmb&page=17

Your build looks fine.

thanks alot

Evilsizer · Oct 9, 2006

the rest of the build does look fine but maybe few areas i would pick at
*one mobo
you want oc, then oc higher with the p5b-e 500mhz+ fsb ocs higher then the plain p5b.

*second ram
your looking at ocing and i dont think the ones you picked oc that high. i would suggest these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227124
and you can do the rebate to make them even cheaper.
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220095
while being rated slower these patriots are ocing like mad with alot of the setups i have seen at xs. we are talking ddr2-900+ speeds

*third PSU
since i have not read much on that psu you choose i would suggest this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103517
relabled forton unit with 550watts on sale for $89 you wont find anything better at that price or close to it.

*these are just my nit picks but please dont take it as something you should do. Just as something that will help your oc and make the pc last longer.*

if the money allowed it i would have said different ram then above but i see this is a low cost build.

imposter · Oct 9, 2006

the only question now that remains is p5b-e or p5b deluxe. features are not really as important to me than overclocking ablities. same chipset same south bridge i think they would do the same then again you never know. im leaning more to the deluxe but i dont know if i should save 40 bucks. even though that 40 bucks is not that big of an large issue.

Evilsizer · Oct 9, 2006

imposter said:
the only question now that remains is p5b-e or p5b deluxe. features are not really as important to me than overclocking ablities. same chipset same south bridge i think they would do the same then again you never know. im leaning more to the deluxe but i dont know if i should save 40 bucks. even though that 40 bucks is not that big of an large issue.

go with the p5b-e you save the 40 bucks but use it towards better ocing ram. since the ram is going to be the bottleneck when fsb speeds reach 500mhz. if you dont want higher end ram then switch the e63 for a e64.

kfc · Oct 9, 2006

imposter · Oct 10, 2006

WOuldnt the 6400 give me room for overclocking enough that i wont need high end memory? or would getting something like corsair make really that much of a difference? Dguy and yuriman gave me that impression but hey yurimans a AMD person lol

Evilsizer · Oct 10, 2006

imposter said:
WOuldnt the 6400 give me room for overclocking enough that i wont need high end memory? or would getting something like corsair make really that much of a difference? Dguy and yuriman gave me that impression but hey yurimans a AMD person lol

well with the 64 you wont need the higher fsb as if you were using a 63. with the p5b-e hitting 500fsb for 24/7 use i would suggest the better ram and skipping the p5b-dlx for p5b-e. that is just me as its up to you and what your goal of oced cpu speed is. with a oced cpu goal would help better here imo.

imposter · Oct 10, 2006

hmm whats the difference between the p5b-e and the deluxe what does it have that the other doesnt. this chip rev im hearing about?
also forgot to mention that i am going to get quad core when that comes out. well when it dies down in price. and is affordable. you think the high end ram would be better or different motherboard?
for mods that just saw that error i dont know what happen i saw like 10 posts that were mine then i deleted one then they all went away i guess some thing built into the forum that deletes auto reposts

Evilsizer · Oct 10, 2006

imposter said:
hmm whats the difference between the p5b-e and the deluxe what does it have that the other doesnt. this chip rev im hearing about?
also forgot to mention that i am going to get quad core when that comes out. well when it dies down in price. and is affordable. you think the high end ram would be better or different motherboard?
for mods that just saw that error i dont know what happen i saw like 10 posts that were mine then i deleted one then they all went away i guess some thing built into the forum that deletes auto reposts

p5b-dlx has 6 or 8 phase irrc. i have not seen it said but i think p5b-e has 4phase. also the newer mobo's ie ones sent out to retailers for 965p should be the new c2 revision. which is partially why anderyang @xs irrc has p5b-e with c2 step chipset doing 550mhz fsb.

since you are looking for quad core i am prolly the only one that would suggest a 975 mobo for it. intel is releasing a new ocer friendly 975 mobo named badaxe II with more option for tweaking then any other board on the market now. the only condtender to it might be ati's rd600 chipset with independent oc for the ram. this would allow you to oc the ram to its max without touching the cpu fsb at all. think of running the cpu at 266mhz but your ram is doing ddr2-1200 speeds or higher.

if money is tight for your mobo then i would suggest a cheap mobo like the p5b-e with dual core and faster ram now. as better mobo's for quad core will be out and we should have 985chipset out at the same time.

my suggestion for p5b-e/e6400/nice ocing ram now will be better benift to you. dont forget you can always ebay the mobo/cpu to recoup about 55-75% of what you paid.

imposter · Oct 10, 2006

Hmm why not just use ram divider i hear the performance difference is close to nothing. I am just not understanding why faster ram is needed. i will have a 500 mhz leeway in FSB and if once i get pass that 500 mhz i can use a divider. What i have heard dividers have very little performance lose. Unless you can prove to me that using divider= bad bad then i dont see why i should get faster ram. gskill 6400 sounds fine. (unless you have something against them lol)

As for This new intel motherboard you know when it would be out? What the going rate will be? i dont mind spending extra 50 or so, that i wont have problems upgrading to quad core. has for now i see to be fine to have p5b-e, e6300(later upgrade to quad core) 2gb of gskill 6400, x1900xt, 250gb 7200.10 , enermax 500w (not sure for heatsink but im looking into it.

i mean it sounds to me that your not liking something. if your not liking the ram which ram would you choose?

greenmaji · Oct 10, 2006

No up ram dividers on the 965P chipsets, and FSB costs $$$ on the 975X's (in the price of the good FSB performing motherboards themselves), cheap quad core chips are going be lacking in multi as well. So fast ram could very well be a factor in overclocking them as well, time will tell.

btw.. Im not liking the beta bios top Vcore on the bad axe 2 so far.. highest option is 1.6Vcore

But the ram going up to 2.8Vdimm thats just funny

imposter · Oct 10, 2006

Which ram do you recommend. by upping the divider you mean having it more than 1:1? more ram fsb then accually cpu? btw you greenmaji which motherboard would you choose? for plane basic needs? yet having nice overclocking stuff. (p5b-e? or the deluxe?) you must excuse me i am new when it comes to intel so trying to get a bunch of answers and pick the best ones. =P i dont mind spending the extra 50 but if its going to be like a 1 percent proformance difference i dont see the point. though i am not totally aware of quad cores needs. if quad core is gonna need better ram i dont mind spending the extra money now so i dont need to replace the ram then. then again sell things on ebay and then buying the new hottest thing in a a year or so might have the same effect.

shaking_ground · Oct 10, 2006

imposter said:
by upping the divider you mean having it more than 1:1?

965p doesn't let you play with dividers to my knowledge(ie no 4:5). ddr2-800 isn't too horrible though, and will happily OC as far as you can go on air on 1:1

Evilsizer · Oct 10, 2006

shaking_ground said:
965p doesn't let you play with dividers to my knowledge(ie no 4:5). ddr2-800 isn't too horrible though, and will happily OC as far as you can go on air on 1:1

umm sir you are wrong, dividers i listed from my board are as follows. with cpu divider at 1066 the ddr2 ratios are as follows 533=1:1,667=4:5,800=2:3
see here lots of pics of my c2d underclocked to show just how much the speed of ram plays.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/133445.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/133556.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/14536.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/14670.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/16536.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi 1m runs/16670.jpg

then here are some others from a recent tweaking with the only ram i have that allows me to get past the 300mhz fsb wall that i have with my 6400-c4's.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit ab9 pro/2661m21.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit ab9 pro/e64333fsb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit ab9 pro/31m19.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit ab9 pro/311m18.jpg

the ram in above pics tops out at ddr2-850 5-5-5-12 with 1.9v metest86 v3.2 stable. while i was able to get to ddr2-875 5-5-5-14/16/19 @1.9v gave 144 errors in test #5. this was later reduced to 6 errors in test #5 with 1.95v. upping the voltage to 2v/2.05v/2.1v with 5-5-5-14/16/18 resulted in a no boot/blank screen. mind you this is from older ddr2-667 [email protected] mem, ibought this ocz gold 1gig stick back in january. i would say it got pretty far before running out of gas. maybe i need to chat with ross/gauntam/joe since i might be missing something that could help me get this ocz stick to ddr2-900 speeds.

imposter · Oct 10, 2006

Ok lets factor out the ram (Brand and what not) and let us say that the ram we pick is stable at ddr2-800 speeds.
e6300= 266.5x7= 1865.5mhz
let us say i get a ddr2-800, i set my new bus speed to be 400,
that will equal 400x7= 2800 already a 1 ghz overclock.
i mean this is smiple stuff nothing complex and already a 1ghz overclock. now what does it matter if i use gskill or ram thats 100 dollars more expensive. they both "Suppose to be" stable at ddr2-800 speeds. Rather than using low end speeds use which might give different results try running at stock speeds, try 1:1, 4:5, and maybe a 5:4 to have a control. on the ram and see what the difference is in super pi. i see where your getting at though. though

Evilsizer · Oct 10, 2006

imposter said:
Ok lets factor out the ram (Brand and what not) and let us say that the ram we pick is stable at ddr2-800 speeds.
e6300= 266.5x7= 1865.5mhz
let us say i get a ddr2-800, i set my new bus speed to be 400,
that will equal 400x7= 2800 already a 1 ghz overclock.
i mean this is smiple stuff nothing complex and already a 1ghz overclock. now what does it matter if i use gskill or ram thats 100 dollars more expensive. they both "Suppose to be" stable at ddr2-800 speeds. Rather than using low end speeds use which might give different results try running at stock speeds, try 1:1 then a 4:5 on the ram and see what the difference is in super pi. i see where your getting at though.

ok but not all boards are equal, some have probles with brands others dont. some problems are releated to the default voltage for ram not being high enough.

if your goal is say a 400fsb for either e63/64 the spend less on the ddr2-800 ram rated @5-5-5-14/16/18. the 6400's from corsair seem to be doing really well on a broad range of 965/975 mobo's. this ram uses 1.9v so any mobo with 1.8 will boot with the ram. given such low volts for ddr2-800, if timings are kept the same idealie this ram rough est. that it should do around ddr2-1066 posibbly higher with vdimm around 2.1-2.3

the more costly ram will have tighter timings which does help c2d but not as big a factor. the tighter timing ram will oc farther then the one with looser timgs generally speaking.

if you go for a 400fsb that means for ddr2-800 speeds you want to use the 1:1 ratio to keep it in spec.

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