Is this good RAM for OC'ing an E6400?

[Awake77]

OCZ Platinum:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227139

$248 after mail in rebate, that seems pretty good with the way prices are right now.

What DDR2800 RAM would you guys recommend? I'm considering:

GSKILL:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820231087

Corsair XMS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145034

Thanks!
Awake77

[greenmaji]

Of those, the Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 cas4 would be my pick.

[Awake77]

Sweet, thanks for the input greenmaji!

[Evilsizer]

my c4's top out at ddr2-1150ish@5-5-5-15@2.3v. 2.3v dimm is the max of my board but i would expect the to get into ddr2-1200 at those timings with more volts.

[greenmaji]

my c4's top out at ddr2-1150ish@5-5-5-15@2.3v. 2.3v dimm is the max of my board but i would expect the to get into ddr2-1200 at those timings with more volts.

In other words.. More FSB then you need :D
No problem.

[Evilsizer]

In other words.. More FSB then you need :D
No problem.yes and no, yes in the fact that setting fsb in bios or uguru higher then 395mhz results in 395mhz no matter what. yet uguru says the fsb is what i set it to.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit%20ab9%20pro/stuck.jpg
using the faster 2:3 ratio at that speed results insuperpi 1m "not exact round" errors at @ddr2-1175ish 5-5-5-15@2.3v timings. the ram speed im forgot as it wasnt stanble so i had to back it down.

[dominick32]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

Highly recommended!

[s00pcan]

As much as I'd like to have 2gb of overclockable ram right now, I'm NOT paying those prices. I can wait as long as it takes.

[dominick32]

As much as I'd like to have 2gb of overclockable ram right now, I'm NOT paying those prices. I can wait as long as it takes.

geeze. Youre right. I paid quite a bit less for those sticks when I purchased them. I think I paid 249.99, I didnt realize they were $299. Newegg really jacked the price up on those sticks :confused:

The best recommendations right now would still be those sticks that I mentioned and the Teamgroup DDR2-667
Edit* But if youre willing to spend $281 on the Corsair, why not spend the extra $19 on the gskill extreme line?
Good luck.

[Evilsizer]

As much as I'd like to have 2gb of overclockable ram right now, I'm NOT paying those prices. I can wait as long as it takes.
well your going to be waiting a while. ram prices wont be like they were pre am2/c2d, got my 2 gig 6400-c4's @$255 saw them go as high as $325 so $280 is a deal imo. i was ready/expecting to pay $280+ when i first bought them.

geeze. Youre right. I paid quite a bit less for those sticks when I purchased them. I think I paid 249.99, I didnt realize they were $299. Newegg really jacked the price up on those sticks :confused:

The best recommendations right now would still be those sticks that I mentioned and the Teamgroup DDR2-667
Edit* But if youre willing to spend $281 on the Corsair, why not spend the extra $19 on the gskill extreme line?
Good luck.
why do you want to pay extra when both use the same D9 ic's. corsair has the better price and customer support/rma going for them.

[Rattle]

better price maybe but I dont think so on the rma/support

[dominick32]

why do you want to pay extra when both use the same D9 ic's. corsair has the better price and customer support/rma going for them.

I guess its a personal thing for me. I have always had good success with Gskill memory. Corsair memory has had at least 1 stick fail on me for 3 seperate purchases in the past and I am 5/5 on gskill purchases. Corsair RMA was very slow for me, so hopefully you have a good retailer such as Newegg who has their own inclusive RMA program. No real reason on the gskill choice other than personal preference,good performance, and good tech support/rma service.

Indeed the IC's are the same so the obvious choice would be to save the $19 and buy the Corsair XMS through a reputable retailer with inclusive RMA. Good call.

[Awake77]

So that's a no-go on the OCZ platinum's then? I was wooed by the $248 after rebate and picked them up last night. Not too late to change more order though....

[MadMan007]

This is my take on OCZ and C2D:
OCZ had early compatability problems, really lots of memory did especially on P965 boards, but OCZ's seemed a bit worse. Lots of this had to do with initial memory voltage settings at boot-up, OCZs seemed a bit worse because their modules seemed to need their higher than 1.8V settings to POST. BIOS revisions cleared up a lot of these memory problems. But OCZ ram had already fallen out of favor with oc'ers by the time these BIOS revisions came around and no one really buys them thus the Newegg supply&demand pricing puts them at a low price.

So, you can either be a bit of a guinea pig and see if OCZs run well now with new BIOSes and (if OCZ did any) module revisions, or spend more and get some of the commonly known to be 'good stuff' modules you linked.

[Awake77]

I ordered the OCZ revision 2 platinums. The newegg user reviews mentioned the early compatibility problems and said OCZ had fixed them with these sticks. Ill keep this thread updated with how they work - $250 after rebate is a nice price for 2GB these days!

[greenmaji]

I don't know wich OCZ model's have D9's and we have a couple of employee's on the board that could have helped out in picking a D9 set :-/

[dominick32]

I don't know wich OCZ model's have D9's and we have a couple of employee's on the board that could have helped out in picking a D9 set :-/

Not to skew off topic but:
I got my hands on some Titanium VX2 DDR2-1000 OCZ's and so far max has been 1120 mhz, 4-4-4-5, 2.4 volts. So I was able to achieve tight timings with high frequency. And they were completely compatible with the original bios of the P5B-Deluxe Wifi. So maybe the Titanium Line and all newer stock has alleviated those OCZ compatibility issues. Hope this helps someone considering the OCZ.

[Awake77]

I don't know wich OCZ model's have D9's and we have a couple of employee's on the board that could have helped out in picking a D9 set

You know, after reading up a bit more Im gonna call newegg and get the black G.SKILL's or the Corsair's I think. They're ~$50 more, but man if I have to wait for an RMA because my ram doesnt work Im gonna be mighty sore :P

Putting together this PC has been the worst case of option anxiety I have ever experienced :)

[hUMANbEATbOX]

You know, after reading up a bit more Im gonna call newegg and get the black G.SKILL's or the Corsair's I think.

this was without even trying really. i just set it to 300fsb, 1:2 ratio, 2.4v and voila:

http://static.flickr.com/87/243396025_169d20766b_o.jpg

these rams will not hold you back at all, you will be very happy.

btw, i run 500mhz, 4-4-4-10 day to day at 2.35v.

[greenmaji]

I have NO CLUE why the Gskill's are more expensive then the CORSIAR for greef sake, other then the MAD RUN people have been on to get them.

In my honest oppinon, I would rather buy the Corsair's if they were the same price with the specifications as listed.

But in the same breath, they are pretty much the same product.

[MadMan007]

Aw I was hoping to see some OCZ testing ;)

Dom's results are encouraging for the sake of competition with another good brand adding in to the mix, but of course they were different and very expensive :p modules.

[Evilsizer]

Aw I was hoping to see some OCZ testing ;)

Dom's results are encouraging for the sake of competition with another good brand adding in to the mix, but of course they were different and very expensive :p modules.
well when you pay $450+ for ram it better be hi-binned ic's.

[dominick32]

Yes,
The VX2 is very impressive ram with a not so impressive price. As I was mentioning before my Corsair XMS took a turn for the worse and one stick failed. This has happened on 3 consecutive occasions with Newegg and corsair. After having some problems with a Corsair direct RMA, I shed my grief with Newegg customer service and ran through the inclusive program that they have. As always Newegg support was extremely helpful and in a short summary, I got the VX2 titaniums for a price well below MSRP, below 4 bills and close to 3 1/2..... :) So dont be calling me money bags just yet. lol

However, I would never pay the listed $439 for these modules although they are crazy performers indeed. I will be using and needing that high FSB/RAM frequency when my modded Vapochill comes back so this premium binned stuff gives you the best of both worlds. Killer frequency 1100mhz plus, decent and tighter timings 4-4-4..

[greenmaji]

I will be using and needing that high FSB/RAM frequency when my modded Vapochill comes back so this premium binned stuff gives you the best of both worlds. Killer frequency 1100mhz plus, decent and tighter timings 4-4-4..

Naa.. admit it, Epox set off your SPI 32M bug :p

And even with tight primaries you still have some tweaking to do ;)

[dominick32]

Naa.. admit it, Epox set off your SPI 32M bug :p

And even with tight primaries you still have some tweaking to do ;)

Remember, Epox is on an E6600 now. :mad: lol
Can you hear E6700 - 4.8ghz SuperPi32m @ 4-4-4 and tweaked subtimings? :santa: My aspirations are way too high and mighty. But yes, youre correct Epox is going down.

(EP4LIFE, JK bro if your reading this :beer: )

[DumpALump]

I purchased a set of crucial ballistix for $200 after rebate and they run nicely at 480mhz cas 4. Not sure if the price went up, but really most ram should be fine for the 6400. It shouldn't limit your OC since you have the 8x multiplier and you wouldn't really need the best ram unless you wanted to run 500mhz at low cas. If you leave the multiplier at 8x then 400mhz fsb = 3.2ghz(Any DDR2-800), and 450mhz = 3.6ghz, which is probably the highest you can get on aircooling(except for a few golden chips).

Now if you purchased a 6300 then yeah you'll need to spend more on ram than lower end stuff.

EDIT: Wow I just checked and the price on the stuff I bought went up to $260! Thats crazy.

[greenmaji]

Yep.. I got the Crutial Ballisitix DDR2-800 cas4 *there also D9's* as well, the prices are getting rediulus :mad:

They were $240 before the rebate though :shrug:

edit: *it was the ZZF deal ;) *

[MadMan007]

I remember that Ballistix deal, they were $290-$100 MIR even at the time it was a great deal if you don't mind the MIR and they sold out in about 2 days.

Thing is for 2GB sets you're looking at about $60-70 difference between even the most basic value ram and some of the very good DDR2-800. Whether that $60 is a big deal or not depends on the individual but it's not a huge percentage of the price, unlike 1GB kits.

[Awake77]

I went back and ordered the black GSKILL ram. That seems like a good price at current rates for RAM that's proven to overclock well - and I didnt want to deal with an RMA if the OCZ didnt work as intended.

[Awake77]

look at this stuff:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820148017

Cheap too!! I read it had the D9 chips as well...

[{FKR}Loki]

look at this stuff:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820148017

Cheap too!! I read it had the D9 chips as well...

They sure Do, killer deal. ;)

[Evilsizer]

yep considering cruical is owned or owns micron. they have the ability to offer their ram cheaper then others.

[Awake77]

Originally Posted by Awake77
look at this stuff:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148017

Cheap too!! I read it had the D9 chips as well...

They sure Do, killer deal.

Think these would be as good as the PC6400 GSKILL HZ's? $70 is a big difference if they can both be OC'd to the same limits.

[Evilsizer]

Think these would be as good as the PC6400 GSKILL HZ's? $70 is a big difference if they can both be OC'd to the same limits.
hard to say but i think with cruical you can expect the same oc's. the question is though which D9 ic's are on the sticks for that price.

[Awake77]

hard to say but i think with cruical you can expect the same oc's. the question is though which D9 ic's are on the sticks for that price.

At this point I think its almost worth $70 just so I dont have to worry about it:) I was under the impression that all 'D9' modules were to be coveted - are there different grades of the same chip?

[MadMan007]

There are, sort of, but it doesn't really matter unless you want DDR2-1100+ along with tight timings. D9GMH is what most of the highly desired sets have. There's also D9GKX which has a higher standard rating by Micron and can do the super-high frequencies with maybe better timings but is often similar to binned D9GMH. Finally there's some lower-rated D9xxx, I can't remember it off the top of my head..

[RavenCT]

How do you guys rate this ram? = OCZ DDR2-1000 1GB Gold Layered Heatspreader, CL 5-6-6-15, 2.1 Volts. Looking for super quick ram and great for gaming.

[Evilsizer]

How do you guys rate this ram? = OCZ DDR2-1000 1GB Gold Layered Heatspreader, CL 5-6-6-15, 2.1 Volts. Looking for super quick ram and great for gaming.
i think these are much better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145034
have epp setting for ddr2-1066@5-5-5-15@2.2v loving my set now that abit has gotten a better bios.

[greenmaji]

@Awake77.. With the CPU you picked out, your ram only needs to do DDR2-800 to run 1:1 .. If its D9's at all it should come close to doing DDR2-1000 within the Vdimm options of the motherboard with at least louser timings.

[Evilsizer]

if the board allows 2.4v-2.5v dimm he can hit ddr2-1200@5-5-5-14/16/18
o if you are going to run @.3v at those hi sppeds you will want to either rig a 80mm fan or smaller to cool the ram. you could also buy that "crab" ram cooler, but i went the cheap way since i got a 6pk coolermaster 24cfm 80mm fans for $9.99@newegg.

[Awake77]

if the board allows 2.4v-2.5v dimm he can hit ddr2-1200@5-5-5-14/16/18
o if you are going to run @.3v at those hi sppeds you will want to either rig a 80mm fan or smaller to cool the ram. you could also buy that "crab" ram cooler, but i went the cheap way since i got a 6pk coolermaster 24cfm 80mm fans for $9.99@newegg.

Damn thats fast...Im wondering if its worth the $70.00 to drop from the 'sure thing' of the GSkill HZ's to this RAM.

[greenmaji]

I was just saying that either would be pretty much overkill for 1:1 with a E6600.

[dominick32]

I am glad you decided on the Gskill Extreme. It still remains one of the best choices right now. Mine were excellent, doing well over 1000 mhz @ stock timings. 1160 mhz took loosened up primarys (5-5-5-15), but running high frequency with 2.1 volts was a surprise to me. I always highly recommend these sticks in Conroe OC builds.

Good luck.

[MadMan007]

Green has a point, he doesn't need ram capable of much more than DDR2-800 1:1 with an e6600. Remember he's not using phase ;)

[Evilsizer]

Green has a point, he doesn't need ram capable of much more than DDR2-800 1:1 with an e6600. Remember he's not using phase ;)
well im not pushing big fsb either and got to ddr2-1175 on the ab9 pro with max fsb of 395mhz. the holing back of the ram was lack of voltage past 2.3v if i had 2.35/2.4v the ram would have been fine.
stable i could get like i said lack of vdimm @5-5-5-15 is this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit%20ab9%20pro/stuck.jpg
well ram was stable at ddr2-11xx range 5-5-5-18@2.3v but had to use slower fsb to cpu which i didnt want so i switched it to the ss above.

edit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Abit%20ab9%20pro/266501d32.jpg
i found this one but i seem to be missing my ddr2-11xx ss, well i will have to do another.

[MadMan007]

So you use a 2:3 FSB:RAM ratio? Have you tested how much of a difference, if any, it makes performance-wise?

[Evilsizer]

So you use a 2:3 FSB:RAM ratio? Have you tested how much of a difference, if any, it makes performance-wise?
gimmie afew and i will do 3ghz at different ram speeds. for the test i will stick with timings @5-5-5-18.

[MadMan007]

Based on the increased Ram speed tests from some article that had a lengthy discussion here, maybe you remember it, I'd guess the differences will be minor. *waits anxiously* :o Do some non-synthetics too if possible :D

Here's that article: http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1962&articID=472 There are some apps that benefit from a little to a lot, interesting is that some Ram ratios actually decrease some benchmarks :o Your results should be interesting given that you're running non-standard speeds to start.

[Evilsizer]

Based on the increased Ram speed tests from some article that had a lengthy discussion here, maybe you remember it, I'd guess the differences will be minor. *waits anxiously* :o Do some non-synthetics too if possible :D
yea kinda minor like these
@3.1ghz 1:1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi%201m%20runs/1m17859.jpg
@3ghz 4:5
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/superpi%201m%20runs/working.jpg

non like effects of cpu score in 3dmark06? was just going to keep it simple with 1m/2m runs, suggestions then?