10,000rpm perpendicular hard drives any time soon?

[Brando]

Anybody know how long it'll be before I can get a perpendicular super raptor 150gb hard drive(or equivalent)? Just curious.

[nd4spdbh2]

Anybody know how long it'll be before I can get a perpendicular super raptor 150gb hard drive(or equivalent)? Just curious.


if only seagate could take their cheata 15k rpm hds ... make them sata 2 and perpindicular... that would be bloddy fawkin amazing.!!! ;) and i dont think many have heard n e thing.

[Merlin7777]

Damn those things would be sweet! If anyone finds anything, let me know. Although I a guessing that something will probably happen in mid 2007-ish. But, hey, what do I know?

[3line]

WD is scheduled to transition their production line to perpendicular by the end of 2007, so we'll be seeing some perp raptors pretty soon, I bet. Pretty soon as in within 12 months.

[Randyman...]

Oh yeah! Perp Raptors will be sick to the Nth degree.

I wonder why no other manufacturers have marketed 10,000RPM SATA Drives? You'd think Seagate would be itching to take a chunk of Raptor sales off of WD's hands ;) . I guess it is a pretty specialized (small) market segment...

:cool:

[Captain Helghas]

Because they are taking a chunk of raptor sales with the perp drives now. And the marketshare on hard drives is still all about size. Those of us who give a crap about speed are in the extreme minority.

[bing]

Well, if they're considering to start the 10KRpm for "ordinary" desktop usage, since 10K drive is really-really hot, it might affect the cooling strategies that worth a serious consideration from them before they really take a jump on it.

"Ordinary" means those average Joe, mom & dads PC.

[ShawnTRD]

What a perpendicular hard drive???? Never heard of that.

[aftermath]

15K + SAS + perpendicular + first to-market = Seagate Cheetah 15K.5

http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200609/ST3300655LW_1.html

[terran2k]

Im using one of those seagate 15K scsi drives on my system, the motor is quiet, i guess b/c it has that fluid dynamic bearing, it's ATA drive quiet. so yep it'd be great to see them release a perp, 15k rpm drive.

[Brando]

15K + SAS + perpendicular + first to-market = Seagate Cheetah 15K.5

http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200609/ST3300655LW_1.html
Weird. According to that review it's not all that great. I'm sure they'll come up with something great sooner or later. I guess we wait.

[Krogen]

I'd start looking to solid-state drives. Those could put an end to hard drives. Still not too affordable though.

[Randyman...]

I'd start looking to solid-state drives. Those could put an end to hard drives. Still not too affordable though.

Nope - Hybrid Drives are the future ;) ... Vista will have support for this in the near future...

:cool:

[AngelfireUk83]

Can anyone provide some info or links to these drives they sound intresting do you have to have a up to date motherboard. Or could I use them on my SATA150 ports on this nForce2 Ultra board of mine.

[Captain Helghas]

Nope - Hybrid Drives are the future ;) ... Vista will have support for this in the near future...

:cool:
Yes, hybrid, like half man-half machine!

[mrslinky]

Can anyone provide some info or links to these drives they sound intresting do you have to have a up to date motherboard. Or could I use them on my SATA150 ports on this nForce2 Ultra board of mine.

yes you can use them on the sata 150 but the speed will be decreased if you have them in raid
Oh yeah! Perp Raptors will be sick to the Nth degree.

I wonder why no other manufacturers have marketed 10,000RPM SATA Drives? You'd think Seagate would be itching to take a chunk of Raptor sales off of WD's hands . I guess it is a pretty specialized (small) market segment...

The main reason why Seagate will never bring out a drive like the Raptor is that it would cut into its large hard drives and also would hurt its Cheetah profit margin. Since most businesses have 10k or 15k drives data might be a little slower off the Raptor then the Cheetah but it wouldn't be all that noticeable.
The size vs price would also become a factor and no more costly cables too.
Raptor = $240
Cheetah = $600
for looking at Similar sizes

WD Raptor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136012)

Brand Western Digital
Series Raptor
Model WD1500ADFD
Performance
Interface Serial ATA150
Capacity 150GB
RPM 10,000 RPM
Cache 16MB
Average Seek Time 4.6ms
Average Write Time 5.2ms
Average Latency 2.99ms

Seagate Cheetah (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148044)

Brand Seagate
Series Cheetah 10K.7
Model ST3146707LC
Performance
Interface SCSI Ultra320 80pin
Capacity 147GB
RPM 10,000 RPM
Cache 8MB
Average Seek Time 4.7ms
Average Write Time 5.3ms
Average Latency 3ms

[greenmaji]

Nope - Hybrid Drives are the future ;) ... Vista will have support for this in the near future...

:cool:

Its sad that Vista gets new storage compatablity, smells like marketing to me.

But I found this online
"The command interface will be standardized in the new revision 8 of the ATA standard."

So once that happens it will just be another ATA drive?

[Brando]

What a perpendicular hard drive???? Never heard of that.
Some new hard drives by seagate called 7200.10 have a new way of arranging data on the disk which allows the reading needle thingy to read more data with a smaller motion thereby making it faster. At least that's my hafasst understanding.

[tuskenraider]

Some new hard drives by seagate called 7200.10 have a new way of arranging data on the disk which allows the reading needle thingy to read more data with a smaller motion thereby making it faster.Incorrect. It's the way the data bits are arranged on the disk, not the way the head reads them. Picture bricks laying flat like this ------ , and instead lay it like this lllll , you can store them closer together and so they can be read faster.

[emboss]

Raptor = $240
Cheetah = $600

Not sure where you're getting those proces from ... From ZZF:
WD1500ADFD = $219
ST3146707LC (or LW) = $320
Newegg has similar prices ($225 and $350 respectively).

If you're willing to go with slightly less mainstream vendors, you can pick up a ST3146707LC/LW for $222 from some place calling themselves "ADC-AST".

However, you do get something for the extra money you spend with the 10K.7, though little of it is useful to non-server situations: lower vibration and higher vibration tolerance, slightly higher MTBF, more advanced firmware to do the scheduling, slightly better seek profile, etc etc.

Basically, the Raptor is a consumer drive, whereas the Cheetah is an enterprise drive. They do best at what they are designed for, and do OK at things they're not designed for. People who spec out enterprise storage know this - they still use Cheetahs (or other SCSI/SAS drives) instead of Raptors, and Seagate coming out with a Raptor-esque drive won't change this.

The main reason why noone else has come out with a Raptor like drive is that there simply isn't that big of a market "gap" for the other manufacturers. 10K SCSI/SAS covers the low-end enterprise side of things, SATA covers consumer and nearline needs. The only bit they're missing is "top-end consumer drives" which is a pretty small market. WD, not having an enterprise division, originally hoped to push the Raptor a bit in the low-end enterprise market as well to get some more volume. Given that (as far as I can tell) none of the major server manufacturers sell Raptors, I'm not sure they've been very successful at this ...

Also:
yes you can use them on the sata 150 but the speed will be decreased if you have them in raid

Using SATA1 instead of SATA2 has no effect on RAID performance since it one channel per drive (unless you're using a SATA2 port multiplier) and a single drive won't get close to the 150 MB/sec bandwidth limitation.