Are these REALLY Wii Graphics????

[FudgeNuggets]

I don't know, but if they are then people can just shut their yap about "last-gen" graphics. Perhaps RAINLESS will be kind enough to translate for us.

http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=626888&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[nvidiaOCmaster]

Yep. Saw it on G4. Looks sweet!!!!

[Krome]

I wonder how good Pocket Monsters will lQQk on the Wii?

[Neuromancer]

First guy says much much more and posts a link

Second guy says the grass textures are very very good.

The 3rd guy pomints out that those are not in game graphics. (which I was going to point out too)

4th guy says wii? Very cool :) (iceberg?)

next guy says "you sure its wii? thats not bad looking"

again.. "show th ingame images"

Not a lot of details there

Next guy is asking about the controller. (wired)

(Oh the french stuff? Duh.. hence rainless ;)

Well i dont speak it but it looks like it says previewd nov 17 in the US and december in Europe? Preview might mean released.

[rainless]

I don't know, but if they are then people can just shut their yap about "ast-gen" graphics. Perhaps RAINLESS will be kind enough to translate for us.

Sure, no problem.

I think by "ast-gen" (and it took me a second or two to think about it) FudgeNuggets actually meant "Last-gen..." forgetting the "L" and putting the whole thing in quotation marks to emphasize a lower degree of sarcasm.

Glad I could be of help. :beer:

[lilxvietxboi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the Wii used almost the same graphics processor as the GameCube.

[Krome]

Peep the gameplay video......

http://files.filefront.com/maddenwii111/;6036572;;/fileinfo.html

[deathman20]

Makes me consider getting a Wii even more that remote action is sweet.

Not a huge fan off sport games but Football would be the winner in my book.

[zexmarquies01]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the Wii used almost the same graphics processor as the GameCube.

although we don't know the technical readouts of this new processor yet ( at least, i can't find it, or i have bad google skills ).

First off, the processors arn't the same. Thats both for GPU and CPU.

they SAY the Wii is about 1.5 times faster/more powerfull than the Gamecube. But for all we know, that could be raw MHZ speeds.

but we DO know that the Architecture of the CPU and GPU HAS changed. And most likley, that where the biggest performance boost will come from. ( aka: A AMD XP running at 2Ghz Vs. A 64bit FX chip running at 2Ghz. There is an OBVIOUS difference in the two ).

Maybe i'm just being hopefull, Or crazy. But i have a feeling the Wii is going to be more powerfull of a system than most people let on.

i just wish i could get some more Technical details about the GPU ( code named Hollywood by ATI ) and the CPU ( Code Named Broadway ).

Though the Gekko ( the CPU of the Gamecube ), was a 180 nanometer CPU. The new Broadway will be a 90nm SOI.

Here's a link on the GameCube's Stats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube

Though, wikki doesn't say a whole lot about the Wii on their Wii section here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

This is all they have to say on the Broadway processor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_%28microprocessor%29

and sadly, no link for the Hollywood GPU at the moment.

[Oni]

Wow, that was really cool! I'm not a huge sports game fan, but even I'd give that a rental.

[mage_x]

http://www.ngcfrance.com/images/news/wii/madden_nfl_07/scr_057.jpg

Either the far right guy is missing a foot or that grass is really tall. That's one crazy elbow bend for the quarterback too.

[zexmarquies01]

Either the far right guy is missing a foot or that grass is really tall.


haha, i didn't even NOTICE that when looking through the pics.

Its screw ups like that, that make me believe this IS in-game graphics, and not some Cut-scene. Cause if it was a cut scene, 99% of the time, errors like that don't happen. especially when they release the images to the public before the game is out. ( that is, its hard to get that Drool factor, when they have errors in pictures ).

[Neuromancer]

Oht the linemans LEFT foot, yah that is messed up

As for the arm bend.. different QBs have different throwing style.s Pretty suare that Duantes arm doesnt go back that far though LOL

[NettieZoom]

I had assumed the wii would be a joke but this has peeked my interest :)

[lilxvietxboi]

Not the Buffallos, but the dolphins line backer. The left foot in the lower right hand corner.

[shard]

The biggest thing that the Wii will be able to do, is much higher res textures this time around, and I realy thing that will help tremendously. And that madden looks fantastic for supposed GC level graphics :D

[RedDragonXXX]

Those are either pre-rendered or Xbox360 shots cause I looked at Madden 07 for Wii and in-game shots and here is what it looks like. Plus you can see without a mistake that those screens are in native 16:9 resolution which means that they are HD images resized down and Wii does not support HD.

Again here are in-game shots of Madden 07 on Wii in their 4:3 native resolution (image resized):

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5138/maddennfl0720060508024630175ia2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2673/maddennfl0720060508024633425lw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/3495/maddennfl0720060912043641778uc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see there is definite difference.

P.S. Wii will support 480p which will adopt nice to HDTV 16:9, but that is not a true HD resolution.

[mage_x]

Hmm, I would have to agree. After looking around, those are not Wii (or in-game atleast) screenshots.

Here's what the game really looks like:

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/825/825443/imgs_1.html

[RedDragonXXX]

Yep

Here (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2693) is the link to gametrailers.com site where you can watch gameplay demonstration (fifth video down) in HD which is like I said 480p streched on 16:9 format and also the best that Wii can deliver.

For comparision here (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1590) is link to 360's video and just click on any HD gameplay vid.

[rainless]

Those are either pre-rendered or Xbox360 shots cause I looked at Madden 07 for Wii and in-game shots and here is what it looks like. Plus you can see without a mistake that those screens are in native 16:9 resolution which means that they are HD images resized down and Wii does not support HD.

Again here are in-game shots of Madden 07 on Wii in their 4:3 native resolution (image resized):

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5138/maddennfl0720060508024630175ia2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2673/maddennfl0720060508024633425lw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/3495/maddennfl0720060912043641778uc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see there is definite difference.

P.S. Wii will support 480p which will adopt nice to HDTV 16:9, but that is not a true HD resolution.

Ahh... Enter: Rainless

Like I said before, the Wii is by NO MEANS a graphic powerhouse, and Nintendo has decided to emphasize gameplay. It's just too bad that most of that gameplay will be centered around coins, mushrooms, and turtles (or, in the case of Metroid, cyber-style turtle-LIKE monsters). Sure they'll be a Resident Evil 4 kind of thing, and a Perfect Dark sort of shtick here and there, but they'll immediately go back to coins and elves as soon as they've suckered enough people in.

That's my major beef with the system. I don't really care about the lower-quality graphics at all. I'm playing System Shock 2 now and I haven't even NOTICED anything wrong with the graphics (I *was* playing HL2 before I started playing SS2, but the latter is so superior I stopped HL2 in mid-game.) I'm just concerned that Nintendo is not, and never will be focused on any kind of adult content.

That plus the wrestling games have been better on the Playstation ever since Nintendo stopped using Aki. (Last big party game I player featured a bunch of people, who were neither wrestling nor video game fans, come over to my friend's party and spend THE WHOLE NIGHT, guys and girls, playing Smackdown: Here Comes the Pain.)

I don't know... I bought a Nintendo 64 ONLY when Wrestlemania 2000 came out. So they might eventually release something that could pique my interest. They never did have anything like that for the Gamecube.

[Elif Tymes]

Ehhh... Red Steel is a release title. They are definately going for a more broad range of game "Appeal" with the Wii.


This is the console they want everyone to own. You think they're just going to ignore the "Hardcore" gamers?

[NOThelagak]

heh, im one of the biggest wii fanboys on this site, but i saw those first pics, and beer flew out my nose. those are def pre rendered graphics. well, its the game engine running it, but its prerecorded. so the engine doesnt have to work so hard. but on the other hand, when i saw the video of wii gameplay i got kinda excited about it! madden was one of the games i was LEAST excited about on wii. but now i NEED it.

[Femto]

Very nice. The Wii looks like a promising console from everything I've heard about it. Those graphics are pretty good too, I'm looking forward to trying one of these babies out! :attn:

[OC Noob]

Sure, no problem.

I think by "ast-gen" (and it took me a second or two to think about it) FudgeNuggets actually meant "Last-gen..." forgetting the "L" and putting the whole thing in quotation marks to emphasize a lower degree of sarcasm.

Glad I could be of help. :beer:

lol

That was good for a laugh.

[rainless]

lol

That was good for a laugh.

I do what I ca... wait a minute... They have NINJA smilies now? Where the hell did :sn: THEY come from??!?

[Oni]

Dude, they're ninja. They come out of the ether. They come out of where you least expect them.

[rainless]

Dude, they're ninja. They come out of the ether. They come out of where you least expect them.

Wow...





:sn:

[Niku-Sama]

Those are either pre-rendered or Xbox360 shots cause I looked at Madden 07 for Wii and in-game shots and here is what it looks like. Plus you can see without a mistake that those screens are in native 16:9 resolution which means that they are HD images resized down and Wii does not support HD.

Again here are in-game shots of Madden 07 on Wii in their 4:3 native resolution (image resized):

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5138/maddennfl0720060508024630175ia2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2673/maddennfl0720060508024633425lw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/3495/maddennfl0720060912043641778uc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see there is definite difference.

P.S. Wii will support 480p which will adopt nice to HDTV 16:9, but that is not a true HD resolution.

compare the bottom pic to the top 2 and theres something odd, the bottom one to me has smudgy textures, blurry grass and more jaggies especially on the hud

i am wondering when the bottom picture was made, it looks like a early production shot.
Wii may not be a GFX wetdream but it should certianly look better than a PS2

[rainless]

compare the bottom pic to the top 2 and theres something odd, the bottom one to me has smudgy textures, blurry grass and more jaggies especially on the hud

i am wondering when the bottom picture was made, it looks like a early production shot.
Wii may not be a GFX wetdream but it should certianly look better than a PS2

It MIGHT look better than a PS2... depending on who's programming the games. I would imagine EA just spent more timeplaying around with that damned controller and simply made a direct port of the 360... or even PS2 version's graphics engine.

[RedDragonXXX]

compare the bottom pic to the top 2 and theres something odd, the bottom one to me has smudgy textures, blurry grass and more jaggies especially on the hud

Well that's because there are no other players on the field, or stadium with fans in them, sidelines... or any other added textures.

This has been one major improvement with next gen consoles, well atleast with 360 and PS3 where they are able to render alllllllllllllloooootttttttttt of textures on one screen without sacrificing fps.

[Niku-Sama]

Well that's because there are no other players on the field, or stadium with fans in them, sidelines... or any other added textures.

ok i know about the whole cell processors, dell-box 360's and huge ammounts of ram used (huge for a consle) but still.

it seems to me your saying the bottom one looks better than the top 2 in which i was implying the oppisite.

[rainless]

That's spanish you ********! SPANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISH! :sn:

[FudgeNuggets]

que sera sera :rolleyes:

[rainless]

hahahahahhaa :)

[>HyperlogiK<]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the Wii used almost the same graphics processor as the GameCube.

I think the rumour that the architecture of 'Hollywood' is pretty much unchanged from 'Flipper' the Gamecube GPU came from one of the online tech tabloids, there are various references to it being architecturally very similar, having the same 3MB of embedded SRAM, and the only big difference being a doubling of the clockspeed.

However there are a bunch of other more optimistic rumors suggesting that it might be something similar to an X1600 core, these may be wishful thinking, but they also fit better with the idea of the console being able to run ports of COD 3 and other graphically intensive titles.

[OC Noob]

I think the rumour that the architecture of 'Hollywood' is pretty much unchanged from 'Flipper' the Gamecube GPU came from one of the online tech tabloids, there are various references to it being architecturally very similar, having the same 3MB of embedded SRAM, and the only big difference being a doubling of the clockspeed.

However there are a bunch of other more optimistic rumors suggesting that it might be something similar to an X1600 core, these may be wishful thinking, but they also fit better with the idea of the console being able to run ports of COD 3 and other graphically intensive titles.

Any idea how much ram it will have? I know they state 512 mb of flash memory, but isn't that the slow stuff thats more for storage rather than ram?

[hitbyaprkedcar7]

Bah. Madden 07 for my 5 year old PS2 running a like 300mhz processer still looks just as good, although i will say it lags alot.

[FudgeNuggets]

Bah. Madden 07 for my 5 year old PS2 running a like 300mhz processer still looks just as good, although i will say it lags alot.

Your judgement of what "looks just as good" is vastly different from mine. The graphics I linked to looked better than the Xbox1 graphics and I abandoned Madden on the PS2 after 04 because the graphics were so much better on the Xbox1 even though the controller was nowhere near as good as the PS2. Either way NFL 2K6 pwned them all and is even better than the 360 version in presentation and gameplay, but not in graphics.

[rainless]

I've got NFL 2K6. Brilliant... BRILLIANT game... I don't even like football. Everything I know about football I learned either memorizing the Super Bowl Shuffle when I was a kid or by playing video games. The only players I know about from today's teams are the ones from NFL 2K6.

[ShadowPho]

What happened to going outside and Playing football there? :P
*sorry, couldn't resist* :p

[rainless]

What happened to going outside and Playing football there? :P
*sorry, couldn't resist* :p

Here they think "Football" means kicking an octogon around in the dirt...

[damarble]

The gameplay shots look better than I was expecting. I've never owned a console but I am considering the Wii, if just for Madden. ;) I really want to try the controller.

[FrEaK44]

Peep the gameplay video......

http://files.filefront.com/maddenwii111/;6036572;;/fileinfo.html
thanks now i wanna get one :bang head :bang head :-/ :-/ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
i wonder if when it comes out to stores they will have one setup

[hUMANbEATbOX]

I've never owned a console but I am considering the Wii, if just for Madden.

you have never owned a console?? i don't think i know anyone personally that has never owned any console. i don't really play any consoles, yet i have 3 in my apartment right now, genesis, ps2, and my Dreamcast, that i have recently rekindled my relationship with.

if all you want is madden, pick up a ps2 for dirt cheap. the controller is BY FAR the best ever, which is paramount in madden, and i still have a blast with madden 04. although my friend Craig kicks my ass every time with the Browns (go figure, his last name is Brown, and they are his fav team...i am ashamed to say, Browns by Brown own me :()

[FudgeNuggets]

Don't feel bad, in Madden and NFL 2K6 the Browns have the best playbook with plays that are nearly infallible. Especially with the speedy Charlie Frye bootlegging. Too bad they suck ass in real life.

[damarble]

you have never owned a console?? i don't think i know anyone personally that has never owned any console. i don't really play any consoles, yet i have 3 in my apartment right now, genesis, ps2, and my Dreamcast, that i have recently rekindled my relationship with.

if all you want is madden, pick up a ps2 for dirt cheap. the controller is BY FAR the best ever, which is paramount in madden, and i still have a blast with madden 04. although my friend Craig kicks my ass every time with the Browns (go figure, his last name is Brown, and they are his fav team...i am ashamed to say, Browns by Brown own me :()

Yup, never owned one. My PC has always done the trick. No need for a PS2 either, as I play Madden on the PC with a gamepad. But the main attraction of the Wii is the controller, the whole concept seems perfect for football.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Yup, never owned one. My PC has always done the trick. No need for a PS2 either, as I play Madden on the PC with a gamepad. But the main attraction of the Wii is the controller, the whole concept seems perfect for football.

ahh yes, see, i have always neglected madden on pc, because IMO, there isn't a pc gamepad on earth that is created equal to the ps2's controller. pressure sensitive buttons do it for me..you tap for a touch pass, mash for a bullet. are there any pc contoller than can do this (and does pc madden recognize analogue controllers?)?

[rainless]

The '85 Bears KILL in that game... once you get the names updated so you can know who's who :beers:

[OC Noob]

The '85 Bears KILL in that game... once you get the names updated so you can know who's who :beers:

Football games were pretty much perfected with the first Techmo Bowl as far as the 85 Bears are concerned.

The Payton/Willie Gault combo is unstopable!

And Richard Dent on Defense.

[>HyperlogiK<]

Here they think "Football" means kicking an octogon around in the dirt...

as opposed to running about in the dirt with a lemon shaped lump of dead pig ;)

Any idea how much ram it will have? I know they state 512 mb of flash memory, but isn't that the slow stuff thats more for storage rather than ram?

Rumour is that there will be 24MB dedicated VRAM and 64MB of main memory, but there are a lot of claims that the GPU can use HyperMemory, something which if true lends even more creedence to the claims that it is an X1XXX series chip, or at least a derivative of them. Anyway 24MB plus HyperMemory should be more than enough for SDTV graphics.

[Falcon-K]

Football games were pretty much perfected with the first Techmo Bowl as far as the 85 Bears are concerned.

The Payton/Willie Gault combo is unstopable!

And Richard Dent on Defense.


are we talking super tecmo bowl or the one before that.. just tecmo bowl. One has 4 possible plays and the other has 8.

I personally consider super tecmo bowl the greatest football ever. I still play games against friends and my brothers every once in awhile

[FudgeNuggets]

*Attempting to hget thread back on track* You'll be able to download both on the Wii for less than $5 each.

[OC Noob]

are we talking super tecmo bowl or the one before that.. just tecmo bowl. One has 4 possible plays and the other has 8.

I personally consider super tecmo bowl the greatest football ever. I still play games against friends and my brothers every once in awhile

The first one. IMO it was the first great football video game ever.

I would order that one just to run Payton left, run Payton right, hit Gault down field for 6!!! That is if McKinnon doesn't return the kick for a TD, hehehe.

And every player that scores a touchdown magically turns white just for that high five cutscene, lol.

[blueswitch]

so it sounds like the Wii's hardware is not toally known...I thought we all pretty much knew it was a geko CPU at a higher clock...and the GPU I always assumed it was going to be new...but something closer to the x8xx line. HyperMemory would be cool....but Im still not 100% clear how that would help anything. I understand it takes system memory for the video if need be....but that would only help if you have an excess of system memory. Consoles don't have high ammounts of memory in them.

[FudgeNuggets]

From what I understand the GPU is now a model with unified shaders and pipelines, 12 total I think when the GameCube only had 4-pipelines and 2 shaders I believe.

[>HyperlogiK<]

It is all rumour and conjecture still, though I think either an X16XX part or something along the lines which fudge suggests is more plausible than an overclocked 'Flipper' for the reasons given above.

[Oni]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html

Just a little info on the guts of this thing. It's running a 729Mhz PPC processor on 90nm SOI. Compared to The GC, which was a 485Mhz PPC RISC processor, this is quite an improvement horsepower-wise. Also, the SOI process reduces power consumption 20% vs the old processor.

The Hollywood GPU clocks at 243Mhz, while the GC's Flipper GPU clocked at 162MHz. Again, a significant improvement over the old model.

[>HyperlogiK<]

I'd take that with a pich of salt, it isn't the only 'insider' story floating about on the interweb about the wii's specs, I suspect it might be more than just the oc'd flipper as I said before, but I think I'm going to avoid doing any more churning of the rumour mill until the console is actually out (I've done more than e-bloody-nough already).

[Niku-Sama]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/699/699118p1.html

Just a little info on the guts of this thing. It's running a 729Mhz PPC processor on 90nm SOI. Compared to The GC, which was a 485Mhz PPC RISC processor, this is quite an improvement horsepower-wise. Also, the SOI process reduces power consumption 20% vs the old processor.

The Hollywood GPU clocks at 243Mhz, while the GC's Flipper GPU clocked at 162MHz. Again, a significant improvement over the old model.


the speeds arent really that impressive how ever i noticed with gamecube games the graphics are better than ps2 so its kinda hard now a days to go on that type of thing.

but when you add to the fact that these things were specially designed for this one and only putpose then it makes sence, i am sure the power of 2 game cubes would make things look close to that of a 360.

either way i sm still gettin the thing, i just wish last month didnt suck ass.
and thanks for the link i was wondering about that kinda stuff.

[rainless]

the speeds arent really that impressive how ever i noticed with gamecube games the graphics are better than ps2 so its kinda hard now a days to go on that type of thing.

but when you add to the fact that these things were specially designed for this one and only putpose then it makes sence, i am sure the power of 2 game cubes would make things look close to that of a 360.

either way i sm still gettin the thing, i just wish last month didnt suck ass.
and thanks for the link i was wondering about that kinda stuff.

Don't do it...

What they were able to pull off on the PS2 was a MIRACLE. The fact that the PS2 was able to run Resident Evil 4... and have it look almost as good as the Gamecube version... was a DOUBLE miracle. The PS2 only had 40 megs of RAM!!!

But this console generation the PS3 and 360 are coming loaded for bear. And there's more to take into consideration than the GPU on the console. TV technology is changing. I can actually forsee a point in the next year or two where I myself... the last person on earth to ever get new technology... will have an HD television. And by that point everybody on earth will have one. And the text on the Home Shopping Club will look better than anything on your Wii... and the novelty of those controllers will be DEAD by then.

Just getting the last word in...

[Shell]

OMFG! I watched the 720p Madden Wii video and the graphics look pretty damn good. The res is a little low, but when I played the video on my 42" HDTV it looked just fine.
The gaming looks sooo immersive and alot more fun then any sports game yet to be released.
I'm getting a Wii. :D The gameplay alone makes up for the fact that the graphics aren't as good... and not everyone really cares for graphics as long as they look good enough so that they don't impede on the game.

And the PS2 version of RE4 looked really painful... gahh... the jaggies... they're very annoying on a large TV.

[rainless]

OMFG! I watched the 720p Madden Wii video and the graphics look pretty damn good. The res is a little low, but when I played the video on my 42" HDTV it looked just fine.
The gaming looks sooo immersive and alot more fun then any sports game yet to be released.
I'm getting a Wii. :D The gameplay alone makes up for the fact that the graphics aren't as good... and not everyone really cares for graphics as long as they look good enough so that they don't impede on the game.

And the PS2 version of RE4 looked really painful... gahh... the jaggies... they're very annoying on a large TV.

Same thing you'd say about playing madden on a Wii after seeing it on PS3 and 360.

[deathman20]

OMFG! I watched the 720p Madden Wii video and the graphics look pretty damn good. The res is a little low, but when I played the video on my 42" HDTV it looked just fine.
The gaming looks sooo immersive and alot more fun then any sports game yet to be released.
I'm getting a Wii. :D The gameplay alone makes up for the fact that the graphics aren't as good... and not everyone really cares for graphics as long as they look good enough so that they don't impede on the game.

And the PS2 version of RE4 looked really painful... gahh... the jaggies... they're very annoying on a large TV.

Only problem Wii doesn't support 720p

[Shell]

Same thing you'd say about playing madden on a Wii after seeing it on PS3 and 360.
I've seen the 1080i Xbox360, and 1080p PS3 video.
Minus the resolution... the PS3 version only looks to be a little bit better... if at all because the lack of RAM is apparent, things off in the distance are lower res then what the 360 shows.

And I don't know how it is for everyone, but sports games get very boring for me if the game does not have something very appealing to it, no matter how good the graphics are, the game can still get stale.
Only problem Wii doesn't support 720p

It was obviously blown-up a bit, but the Wii is said to be capable of 720p since it will have DVD playback and has been showcased on very large, widescreen TVs... when I took a look at it at the Eaton Center in Toronto it did not seem very "pixely" at all.

EDIT: Wait! Mabe it's 720i... The image did have the typical shaky interlace effect.

[>HyperlogiK<]

Don't do it...

What they were able to pull off on the PS2 was a MIRACLE. The fact that the PS2 was able to run Resident Evil 4... and have it look almost as good as the Gamecube version... was a DOUBLE miracle. The PS2 only had 40 megs of RAM!!!

But this console generation the PS3 and 360 are coming loaded for bear. And there's more to take into consideration than the GPU on the console. TV technology is changing. I can actually forsee a point in the next year or two where I myself... the last person on earth to ever get new technology... will have an HD television. And by that point everybody on earth will have one. And the text on the Home Shopping Club will look better than anything on your Wii... and the novelty of those controllers will be DEAD by then.

Just getting the last word in...

Everyone will have a HDTV, or most middle class households will have one?

[Shell]

Everyone will have a HDTV, or most middle class households will have one?
Almost everyone will likely have an HDTV soon(middle class), but not many will bother paying for a 1080p HDTV, when they can get a 720p TV of the same size for half the price :p 1080p is very expensive at the moment and is not worth the difference in price.

Also... teehee, people playing the Wii...
http://us.wii.com/viewer.jsp?vid=15

[Niku-Sama]

Don't do it...

What they were able to pull off on the PS2 was a MIRACLE. The fact that the PS2 was able to run Resident Evil 4... and have it look almost as good as the Gamecube version... was a DOUBLE miracle. The PS2 only had 40 megs of RAM!!!

But this console generation the PS3 and 360 are coming loaded for bear. And there's more to take into consideration than the GPU on the console. TV technology is changing. I can actually forsee a point in the next year or two where I myself... the last person on earth to ever get new technology... will have an HD television. And by that point everybody on earth will have one. And the text on the Home Shopping Club will look better than anything on your Wii... and the novelty of those controllers will be DEAD by then.

Just getting the last word in...

i honestly dont see what your deal is. i am not comming out saying what your going to buy is crap but thats all you seem to do. other than the fact the 360 is seemingly going the way of the dreamcast it probally wont end up like so.

next time, step back and take a big look at the whole picture and the past of this sort of thing.

and i doubt half of the population in the united states that dont have a HDTV now will have one 1 or 2 years from now.

[uzibear]

although we don't know the technical readouts of this new processor yet ( at least, i can't find it, or i have bad google skills ).

First off, the processors arn't the same. Thats both for GPU and CPU.

they SAY the Wii is about 1.5 times faster/more powerfull than the Gamecube. But for all we know, that could be raw MHZ speeds.

but we DO know that the Architecture of the CPU and GPU HAS changed. And most likley, that where the biggest performance boost will come from. ( aka: A AMD XP running at 2Ghz Vs. A 64bit FX chip running at 2Ghz. There is an OBVIOUS difference in the two ).

Maybe i'm just being hopefull, Or crazy. But i have a feeling the Wii is going to be more powerfull of a system than most people let on.

i just wish i could get some more Technical details about the GPU ( code named Hollywood by ATI ) and the CPU ( Code Named Broadway ).

Though the Gekko ( the CPU of the Gamecube ), was a 180 nanometer CPU. The new Broadway will be a 90nm SOI.

Here's a link on the GameCube's Stats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube

Though, wikki doesn't say a whole lot about the Wii on their Wii section here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

This is all they have to say on the Broadway processor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_%28microprocessor%29

and sadly, no link for the Hollywood GPU at the moment.


well, after playing RE4 on the GC, i'm willing to except the possibility

[rainless]

i honestly dont see what your deal is. i am not comming out saying what your going to buy is crap but thats all you seem to do. other than the fact the 360 is seemingly going the way of the dreamcast it probally wont end up like so.

next time, step back and take a big look at the whole picture and the past of this sort of thing.

and i doubt half of the population in the united states that dont have a HDTV now will have one 1 or 2 years from now.

Dude what the hell are you talking about? Did you actually READ what I wrote?

I DID refer to the history of the technology and consoles involed. It's in my second F'N line. I'm saying that your comparison between the Gamecube and PS2 is a non-factor in this console generation because the underlying technologies are changing. And at the accelerated rate of HDTV sales... also factoring in that many places will eventually stop selling non HDTVs (go out and find me a decent VCR if you can) I can definately see a point where most people buying new televisions by HDTVs. But that only makes sense.

It was always the standard television that was holding back game innovation. They've been saying that for years. The day I saw a 52 inch HD flat screen playing a 360 game down at the virgin megastore (they were also playing a kung fu movie on another screen, but more people were watching the game) I knew it was over.

Also, to correct what someone else said, the Wii will NOT be able to play DVDs. That's just a special edition... similar to the same edition of the game cube... that will only be released in Japan. So 720p is unlikely.

[zexmarquies01]

Rainless...

so your telling someone ELSE to not buy a product, just because YOU don't like it????

again, ????????????????????????????????????????????

obviously, you are the minority in the whole wii outlook.

just because it can't do 720i/p, or 1080i/p doesn't mean jack squat.

first off, some really decent games are comming out on the wii. that alone will sell all of the launch consoles without a single problem.

then, there is the controller. even if it is a stupid gimmic, it will make alot more games more interactive and fun. sure, it may be the big selling point of the wii, and may be the only "new" thing we get with it. but wouldn't you like to use the controller like an actuall sword when playing a game? if you say no, then you are in a VERY small minority, of a minority.

then lets not forget the price. its only 250 bucks at launch, and comes with a game ( wii sports ). and i garantee that eventually, the wii will be out in a stand-alone package without the game, dropping the price to 200 bucks. ( by doing that, they can easily make sure their prices are lower than microsofts, once they do their price cuts ).

the games are 10 bucks cheaper than the 360 or the PS3.

Then, lets not forget the media war thats about to ensue between Blu-ray, and HD-DVD. if one of those fails, then the console that uses that specific medium is also royally screwed. nintendo dosn't have to worry bout this.

then there's the croud who'd rather have fun playing a game, instead of feeling like they are playing a movie. sure, graphics are great, and are one great way to make a sale. But if ya havn't noticed, as the graphics of games increase, the gameplay seems to drop. so many games keep comming out, getting prettier, and higher res, and better textures. But yet, the gameplay ends up falling short, end up having very little re-play value. its a sad trend thats been going on. and recently ALOT of gamers have started to notice this, and are getting sick and tired of playing a game that looks pretty, but isn't fun.

and then people bash nintendo for being a company for kids. well first off, those kids buying nintendo games are the ones fueling nintendo's profits. Just look at the sales of alot of the "kiddie" games that nintendo releases. Look at how much money nintendo has pulled in from pokemon alone!

most of their handheld games are targeted torward the younger audience. so why is the PSP failing so badly to take down the mighty kids toy? i mean OBVIOUSLY the adult games are sooo much more fun :rolleyes:

a game doesn't have to be a graphic powerhouse game, with 1080p graphics to be fun.

I'm wondering when the word "graphics" replaced the word "fun". cause thats the biggest Mother F'ing misconception in gaming today.

and honestly, i'd HATE to see mario look like a real person. Think about it, HE'S A PLUMBER! do you honestly want to see a 250lb fat man, in a red jump suit, holding a plunger, jumping in and out of drain pipes, while his A** crack shows every time he jumps? I sure as hell don't. :p

and then there's the fact that unlike sony and microsoft, nintendo will actually be bringing in PROFIT from each wii console sale. they are a buisness, and thus don't want to lose money on each console sold. So on day one, nintendo will be bringing IN money, while sony and microsoft are both losing money, till more games sell.

hmm, a video game company making money from day one...i guess they must have royally screwed up huh? :rolleyes:

ps. i know you didn't bash nintendo at all the things i said. i was pointing my finger at most of the things anti-nintendo'ists say.

[rainless]

Rainless...

so your telling someone ELSE to not buy a product, just because YOU don't like it????

again, ????????????????????????????????????????????

obviously, you are the minority in the whole wii outlook.

just because it can't do 720i/p, or 1080i/p doesn't mean jack squat.

first off, some really decent games are comming out on the wii. that alone will sell all of the launch consoles without a single problem.

then, there is the controller. even if it is a stupid gimmic, it will make alot more games more interactive and fun. sure, it may be the big selling point of the wii, and may be the only "new" thing we get with it. but wouldn't you like to use the controller like an actuall sword when playing a game? if you say no, then you are in a VERY small minority, of a minority.

then lets not forget the price. its only 250 bucks at launch, and comes with a game ( wii sports ). and i garantee that eventually, the wii will be out in a stand-alone package without the game, dropping the price to 200 bucks. ( by doing that, they can easily make sure their prices are lower than microsofts, once they do their price cuts ).

the games are 10 bucks cheaper than the 360 or the PS3.

Then, lets not forget the media war thats about to ensue between Blu-ray, and HD-DVD. if one of those fails, then the console that uses that specific medium is also royally screwed. nintendo dosn't have to worry bout this.

then there's the croud who'd rather have fun playing a game, instead of feeling like they are playing a movie. sure, graphics are great, and are one great way to make a sale. But if ya havn't noticed, as the graphics of games increase, the gameplay seems to drop. so many games keep comming out, getting prettier, and higher res, and better textures. But yet, the gameplay ends up falling short, end up having very little re-play value. its a sad trend thats been going on. and recently ALOT of gamers have started to notice this, and are getting sick and tired of playing a game that looks pretty, but isn't fun.

and then people bash nintendo for being a company for kids. well first off, those kids buying nintendo games are the ones fueling nintendo's profits. Just look at the sales of alot of the "kiddie" games that nintendo releases. Look at how much money nintendo has pulled in from pokemon alone!

most of their handheld games are targeted torward the younger audience. so why is the PSP failing so badly to take down the mighty kids toy? i mean OBVIOUSLY the adult games are sooo much more fun :rolleyes:

a game doesn't have to be a graphic powerhouse game, with 1080p graphics to be fun.

I'm wondering when the word "graphics" replaced the word "fun". cause thats the biggest Mother F'ing misconception in gaming today.

and honestly, i'd HATE to see mario look like a real person. Think about it, HE'S A PLUMBER! do you honestly want to see a 250lb fat man, in a red jump suit, holding a plunger, jumping in and out of drain pipes, while his A** crack shows every time he jumps? I sure as hell don't. :p

and then there's the fact that unlike sony and microsoft, nintendo will actually be bringing in PROFIT from each wii console sale. they are a buisness, and thus don't want to lose money on each console sold. So on day one, nintendo will be bringing IN money, while sony and microsoft are both losing money, till more games sell.

hmm, a video game company making money from day one...i guess they must have royally screwed up huh? :rolleyes:

ps. i know you didn't bash nintendo at all the things i said. i was pointing my finger at most of the things anti-nintendo'ists say.

Fair enough. But I never said I didn't "like" the Wii. How would I know if I liked it or not? It isn't even out yet. I just told him not to buy it because... from a technical standpoint... it would be a waste. And a bigger waste than the Gamecube was because the stakes are much higher this time around. I told my best friend not to buy an Atari Jaguar. He didn't listen. You KNOW where that got him.

I have a fairly decent batting average when it comes to game systems. I avoided the TurboGrafx 16 entirely (though I think I did buy the system and every game that was ever released for it for ten bucks at one point...) Never got a sega cd or 32x. I only bought a Nintendo 64 so I could play Wrestlemania 2000. Mind you I did pick the Sega Saturn over the original Playstation... which was right from a technological and "fun" perspective. (The game I bought the system for: "X-men vs. Street Fighter" was worth the entry price alone.) but not from a longevity prospective. And, since I basically got the Dreamcast the day it came out, I got at least a couple of good years out of it and it was still one of the best systems ever made. (Way ahead of its time.)

It's not that I think the Wii is going to be a gimmick system... it IS a gimmick system. The fact that, technologically speaking, it's only a very MINOR upgrade over the gamecube should throw up all kinds of warning signals. But obviously I'm only one man giving my opinion. He can buy whatever the hell he wants. I just wanted to go on record so that I can say "I told ya so" later... :beer:

[zexmarquies01]

It's not that I think the Wii is going to be a gimmick system... it IS a gimmick system. The fact that, technologically speaking, it's only a very MINOR upgrade over the gamecube should throw up all kinds of warning signals. But obviously I'm only one man giving my opinion. He can buy whatever the hell he wants. I just wanted to go on record so that I can say "I told ya so" later... :beer:

Gimmick or not, all 3 companys are in a buisness. and that buisness is to make money. in a year, lets see who brought in the most profits from their console. :D

and even if it is a gimmick, this is the smartest damn move nintendo could have made. just look at how many people are drooling over the wii.

Either way, nintendo CAN'T lose this console war. its simply impossible. simply because they won't lose a dime on this thing. from day one, they will pull in cash. thats something sony and microsoft can't do.

the only way for them to lose this console war, is for them to make no profit off the system. which obviously, they won't.

so even if microsoft or sony sells more consoles/games than nintendo, i wouldn't doubt it if nintendo comes out with the most profits from generation of console wars.

and i agree, the wii does appear to be one giant A** gimmick. but ya know what? it looks like one fun A** gimmick. and thats all i care about. cause if i wanted insane graphics, i'll turn on a PC game. if i want to relax, and have fun, i'll turn on a console.

[FudgeNuggets]

Guys, forget Rainman, he's shown me over the course of the gaming threads that he knows jack about console gaming and is just here to irritate people. He'll stick up for Sony in one thread and slam them in another, same deal for the 360 but he has been pretty consistent in hating on Nintendo, not that I should talk because of my Sony hating, but at least you know why I hate them so much and many of you agree (4 damned broken consoles). Another proposterous point is that he bought a TG16 and all the games for $10. Sure he may be exaggerating but the TG16 to this day, especially if it is CD equipped or a DUO are VERY expensive and so are the games, whether they're on card or CD. Go on over to Scam-Bay and look up the TurboDuo, those things regularly go for $300-$500 (same cost as they were new). He writes well and is well versed but that is just a cover-up for his polarizing comments that he drops into many threads just to get a negative reaction going.

[Oni]

This thread is done now.

If people can't act civil towards eachother, then there is no reason for this to remain open.

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[rainless]

Guys, forget Rainman, he's shown me over the course of the gaming threads that he knows jack about console gaming and is just here to irritate people. He'll stick up for Sony in one thread and slam them in another, same deal for the 360 but he has been pretty consistent in hating on Nintendo, not that I should talk because of my Sony hating, but at least you know why I hate them so much and many of you agree (4 damned broken consoles). Another proposterous point is that he bought a TG16 and all the games for $10. Sure he may be exaggerating but the TG16 to this day, especially if it is CD equipped or a DUO are VERY expensive and so are the games, whether they're on card or CD. Go on over to Scam-Bay and look up the TurboDuo, those things regularly go for $300-$500 (same cost as they were new). He writes well and is well versed but that is just a cover-up for his polarizing comments that he drops into many threads just to get a negative reaction going.

Watch yourself Fudge...

And I know what I paid for the Turbografx, and I know where I got it. Not that it's any of your damned business.

[Oni]

Sweet Zombie Jesus!

Both of you, lay off.

Both of you, YGPM.

:mad: