Interesting new article today on Radeon 8500

[Cisco Kid]

Enjoy gang,just posted today the 26th


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1562

Cisco Kid:)

[Silversinksam]

Cisco, Thanks for posting that as I was going to get a 8500 Friday......Now after much pondering im not upgrading at all now lol





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[RainMaQer]

I'm still lost :eh?: But the Gf3 still looks like the best choice for me:D I hope;)

[WillysNut]

Great Read! Thanks CiscoKid! Wow! Amazing how different manufacturers chose to adopt different settings, quality levels, etc. I'm happy that I went w/ a Ti500. My first major upgrade after having a kyro2 as my fastest card.

Either way, ATI has a sweet product on their hands and I hope future chips offer a little more to the consumer/gamer.

[RainMaQer]

"My first major upgrade after having a kyro2 as my fastest card."

How does the Kyro2 perform??? I haven't heard too much about those...

[funnyperson1]

the KyroII is somewhere in between the MX400 and the GTS in terms of speed, but is untouched in visual quality...

[RainMaQer]

what about price?

[Maximus Nickus]

So the 8500 is s***? And there drivers won't help it.
F***! I just bought one luckily there out of stock so i'd better cancel and get a ti500....

[funnyperson1]

no, it doesnt mean that the 8500 is bad, just that smoothvision isnt as good as we thought it was....i wonder why ati used the old supersampling method?....

[Maximus Nickus]

So with better drivers it will out perform the ti500?

By the look of the review though when they were both using the same settings the 8500 was half the speed.....nooooooooooooo I
thought i had just bought the best card there was oooh is it s***????:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[]-[itman]

very good read. From what i gather it means that with the special feature enabled the Geforce3 looks just as good as the Radeon(in some cases better) but is faster. This is just a quick summary that i got from it everyone should read it though to get all the info.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by nick_cw
So with better drivers it will out perform the ti500?

By the look of the review though when they were both using the same settings the 8500 was half the speed.....nooooooooooooo I
thought i had just bought the best card there was oooh is it s***????:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

with better drivers, it will almost surely outperform the Ti500 in most tasks, except however in Antialiasing...

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

As was pointed out by me weeks ago, it takes software and hardware to equal a great experience.

Nick: You need to learn quite a few things before you even make ANY comments on ANYTHING concerning video cards here. Just think, when ATI puts out their next set of drivers, which may finally put their own card ahead of the Ti500 in performance, youll be singing a different tune again. The truth in the matter is that both hardware chipsets are pretty much equal, with each having their own strongpoints, what it will come down to though is a superior software config. NVidia has quite a jump here, only time will tell if an 8500 will get the support it needs to pull ahead. BTW who really uses FSAA in first person shooters anyway??FSAA comes in handy for other apps, but what most folks on this BB use the cards for(video games)it is not always an option used,or even noticed when in the middle of the action.:rolleyes:

[]-[itman]

I would like to know how the Radeon performs in OpenGL? Rit can you inform me on this one?

[Pinky]

Drivers are the key to ATI's future... the card can do the work, but they need to teach the computer how to play nice with it...

Chalk one up for Nvidia :)

[Warlord2]

lol

a company needs to come out with a card that is part radeon part geforce:D

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Open GL isnt bad with the 8500, again there are driver issues, something I actually did today was call up ATI and BITCH out ATI after having tons of problems lately with both my 8500 demo machines situated at the front of my store. After loading half life, I havwe had nothing but trouble, and Im not one to juggle differnt drivers around to get games to play, since I have about 15 games loaded to each machine. The Ti 500 scores lower in benchmarks(I think it has to do with triangle fill rate)but plays smoother in video games still.:rolleyes:

[OnDborder]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
Open GL isnt bad with the 8500, again there are driver issues, something I actually did today was call up ATI and BITCH out ATI after having tons of problems lately with both my 8500 demo machines situated at the front of my store. After loading half life, I havwe had nothing but trouble, and Im not one to juggle differnt drivers around to get games to play, since I have about 15 games loaded to each machine. The Ti 500 scores lower in benchmarks(I think it has to do with triangle fill rate)but plays smoother in video games still.:rolleyes:

How did ATI reply?

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

Just wait til Aquanox comes out and all of you are dying for photo realisticaly rendered full motion video which the G3 just can't give you.

I just saw the 8500 for $315Cnd or about ~$210Am oem
how much was the Asus G3Ti500? $590Cnd ~$395Am

[funnyperson1]

ive found that if i play with 1280x1024 resolution most games run fine on my card, and no jaggies....sure the AA can get rid of it, but higher res is better...still no doubt that the 8500 is the card of choice...

[]-[itman]

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=aquanox

[fatshlink]

WOW, everyone is exetemely on one side. makes it hard as a person who id tring to choose between the support and reliablity of nvedia or the price of radion...:beer:

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by fatshlink
WOW, everyone is exetemely on one side. makes it hard as a person who id tring to choose between the support and reliablity of nvedia or the price of radion...:beer:

I'm actually for either card. Just pointing out what i thought wasn't said. Personally i like the Radeon but am not willing to put up with game incompatability and just plain bugs. I have better things with do to with my time than try and get a state of the art video card to play one of my games. Now, I plan on getting a Radeon8500 but am going to wait until i see all or atleast most of their bugs fixed. Mainly it has GeForce3 peformance without the Nvidia price. However I am also seriously looking at the geforce3ti200 because it is about $50 cheaper and can oc very nicely. Really depends on what kind of money i have by then.

[fatshlink]

Originally posted by ]-[itman


I'm actually for either card. Just pointing out what i thought wasn't said. Personally i like the Radeon but am not willing to put up with game incompatability and just plain bugs. I have better things with do to with my time than try and get a state of the art video card to play one of my games. Now, I plan on getting a Radeon8500 but am going to wait until i see all or atleast most of their bugs fixed. Mainly it has GeForce3 peformance without the Nvidia price. However I am also seriously looking at the geforce3ti200 because it is about $50 cheaper and can oc very nicely. Really depends on what kind of money i have by then.

yea I know what you mean. same performance, but ati needs to get some good drivers. the way i see it is I can eather have the nvedia drivers or the ati goodies like duel monitors and the best 2D and dvd stuff. but then again I dont want to screw whith the lack of support, but eather way I will be blown away compaired to my vd3, but still a hard choice...

[funnyperson1]

actually youre, right it really comes down to your personal choice of card, and how much money you have.....there are some people out there who take this stuff way too seriously, like people who would prefer a Rage128 card over a Geforce2 because of 2D, or people who would prefer the stability of a Tnt2 than the performance of an 8500, these are both very good cards and it comes down to your preference......my advice would really be to wait it out, and get a card when the prices are lower,and (maybe) ATI has the driver situation figured out....

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
As was pointed out by me weeks ago, it takes software and hardware to equal a great experience.

Nick: You need to learn quite a few things before you even make ANY comments on ANYTHING concerning video cards here. Just think, when ATI puts out their next set of drivers, which may finally put their own card ahead of the Ti500 in performance, youll be singing a different tune again. The truth in the matter is that both hardware chipsets are pretty much equal, with each having their own strongpoints, what it will come down to though is a superior software config. NVidia has quite a jump here, only time will tell if an 8500 will get the support it needs to pull ahead. BTW who really uses FSAA in first person shooters anyway??FSAA comes in handy for other apps, but what most folks on this BB use the cards for(video games)it is not always an option used,or even noticed when in the middle of the action.:rolleyes:


I think Nick is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else, ATI is notorious for horrible drivers and a history of playing the catch up game. Didnt need you to tell us weeks ago that it takes good hardware and drivers to equal great performance, as its no big revalation.......something many of us know. Why dont you lighten up on Nick?

[RainMaQer]

ok everybody take a deep breath... now hold it... keep holding... hold it.... hold it... :D

[ghengisjam]

Since most of us can't seem to leave anything in our cases alone for long, why all the initial fuss over the drivers ATI ships with their card? If you're anything like me, the first thing you do is run 3DMark and find out where you're at to start, then start tweaking to get as close to what you want as you can. Most of the time for me it means loading several revisions of NVidia's detonators until I get the one that cooks. It'll probably be the same way with the 8500 when I get it. 10 minutes of being "stock", then off to the races... Sure, ATI's stock drivers generally suck, but then, how many of us use them long term anyhow??

[ghengisjam]

Originally posted by Oreo_The_Cookie
.

I just saw the 8500 for $315Cnd or about ~$210Am oem
how much was the Asus G3Ti500? $590Cnd ~$395Am

Look on pricewatch.com. Last I checked the 8500 was 179US. I'm breaking the piggy bank open this weekend baby yeah!:D

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
As was pointed out by me weeks ago, it takes software and hardware to equal a great experience.

Nick: You need to learn quite a few things before you even make ANY comments on ANYTHING concerning video cards here. Just think, when ATI puts out their next set of drivers, which may finally put their own card ahead of the Ti500 in performance, youll be singing a different tune again. The truth in the matter is that both hardware chipsets are pretty much equal, with each having their own strongpoints, what it will come down to though is a superior software config. NVidia has quite a jump here, only time will tell if an 8500 will get the support it needs to pull ahead. BTW who really uses FSAA in first person shooters anyway??FSAA comes in handy for other apps, but what most folks on this BB use the cards for(video games)it is not always an option used,or even noticed when in the middle of the action.:rolleyes:

I can have my own opinion you know, I was just stating that the 8500 when running @ the same quality levels as a Geforce 3 (4X AA) it is much slower because its Hardware was deisgned for a different effect.

I was just saying that until it can beat the Ti500 hands down, it is not what its cracked up to be. (Ie: Geforce Killer)

Oh and stop making me sound like a f****n idiot because I am far from it and just because you know loads about Vid Cards doesn't mean your always right, so lay off man.:p

[jbell]

Originally posted by Pinky
Drivers are the key to ATI's future... the card can do the work, but they need to teach the computer how to play nice with it...

Chalk one up for Nvidia :)

Chaulk a huge ''ATTA BOY!!'' up for NVida

[Cisco Kid]

Well I have been humming and hawing over getting a new video card and damn I have only had my 64 DDR Radeon vivo about 2 months, LOL.

I see alot of potential with the 8500, I think that for the price I will consider buying it cause it will become cheaper by new year. I will deal with some bugs and driver issues placing my faith in ATI that their next set of drivers will cure the problems they mentioned.

Heck performance on par with a G3 is terrific and when you consider what the card will do when you overclock it, "cause thats what we all do" performance is really good. To me I buy, based on price and performance. I like the Ti500 or the Ti200 but here in Canada the Ti200 and 500 are just too much, for less than a $90 more over a Ti200 I can get the 8500 which will outperform it by far.

Now I am starting to consider a 7500 only cause I have a raincheck to buy it at www.futureshop.ca by Nov 29th for $199.99 Canadian.

Any opnions on the 7500?? cause it would prolly only cost me $30 to upgrade ,after selling my 64 vivo, but dang I will miss the vivo
option. Some articles say it supports DX8 others say Dx7 whats the real deal? Performance from what I have read is on par with an Ultra at its default speed, but I would overclock it so I would suspect it will only become faster.. Anyone looking for a 64 vivo??

Oh the video card decisions. Glad to see everyone enjoyed the read!!!!

cisco Kid:cool:

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

I think the 7500 is kind of a waste considering the other cards available at that price point.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Nick: Sorry, but 1 day u say "Card A" is the best and glad u got it, and the next day you say "Card B" is the same thing. You swing with the wind. To be honest the only person who makes you sound like a F**king idiot is you.:burn: The 8500 was touted as being able to perform as well or better as a 3 product for less money. Well what is going to decide that is drivers. Ati's hardware isnt the limiting factor, its the software drivers behind it. Next month could be the month with drivers that break all the boundaries between the 2 cards, and by then you could have a Ti500 and start ranting and raving about not sticking with an 8500, or it could be the other way around.:rolleyes: sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh! Stick with your guns for god's sake MAN! I have both cards, both cards are far from hitting their full potential yet, but the 3Ti500 is closer to date of acheiving this, the question that has been around is the one about the 8500 ever hitting its potential. ATI I feel still has older cards that were never fully realized. Hope Ati doesnt let this happen to the 8500.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
I think the 7500 is kind of a waste considering the other cards available at that price point.



Ritteri&Bubbles, I am in Canada, the best deal I can find on a the ti200 is below

$309 MSI (MS-8851) GeForce3 Titanium G3Ti200 Pro 64MB DDR AGP w/TV Retail

$205 MSI (MS-8836) GeForce2 Titanium G2Ti Pro-TV 64MB DDR AGP w/TV Retail

$315 Asus v8200T2 GeForce3 Ti200 Pure 64MB AGP Retail

This is a big price difference from the 7500 at 199.99 here in Vancouver. The 7500 will give me better performance than my 64 vivo, but I lose the vivo option. Do you know if it supports DX8??

The reviews look positive on it putting it = to an Ultra but dual monitor and great dvd playback and great 2D are the reasons I am leaning to it. Plus it will handle the newer games to come a bit better than my 64 vivo, although it plays everything fine.

Any links on recent reviews of the 7500 give emto me. 8500 still too much here for me I can not justify $300+ for a video card, hell I would rather buy a new snowboard or rear tire for my GSXR750

Cisco Kid:cool:

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
Nick: Sorry, but 1 day u say "Card A" is the best and glad u got it, and the next day you say "Card B" is the same thing. You swing with the wind. To be honest the only person who makes you sound like a F**king idiot is you.:burn: The 8500 was touted as being able to perform as well or better as a 3 product for less money. Well what is going to decide that is drivers. Ati's hardware isnt the limiting factor, its the software drivers behind it. Next month could be the month with drivers that break all the boundaries between the 2 cards, and by then you could have a Ti500 and start ranting and raving about not sticking with an 8500, or it could be the other way around.:rolleyes: sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh! Stick with your guns for god's sake MAN! I have both cards, both cards are far from hitting their full potential yet, but the 3Ti500 is closer to date of acheiving this, the question that has been around is the one about the 8500 ever hitting its potential. ATI I feel still has older cards that were never fully realized. Hope Ati doesnt let this happen to the 8500.

I meant to say that the 8500 is good but when looking at this new article it just put you down a bit, although like you said it is pretty much irrelevant, I do not change with the wind (I have bought a 8500 if it ever arrives as there out of stock) I mearl said it sheds more light over there Smoothvision, I still think the 8500 is a better card but I probably put it over wrong.

It didn't help that I was p***** and I have read over what I said and yeah it does seem a bit confusing.

Thanks for saying sorry (its a rareity!!!!LOL)

Nick:cool:

[Maximus Nickus]

Ritteri&Bubbles:

By the way STOP REPEATING yourself, I can read for F*** sake and i have a great memory, so you don't have to keep explaing things like the drivers are going to improve.

I was :beer: so my reply seemed a bit confusing, just try not to be so jumpy about what people say.:burn:

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Cisco kid: to set the record straight, "Hydra Vision" is really buggy and is way ovveratted, unless you use to identical monitors that like to run at the same hz and resolution. I run either a 17", and a 60" wide screen TV or a 21" and a 17" LCD flat panel. So hydravision for me has been a big dissapointment. Along with erratic DVD playback. ATI is aware of the current problems with the new 3286 drivers(windows xp has many more probs than 98 currently)and will hopefully fix the problems this century.

Nick: your gonna have to take my comments down a bit from your reactions, I only point out things that make people look silly at times,I dont start wars, I end em!


BTW I do have 2 extra Retail Radeon 8500's for sale till after xmas. They were a bonus to me for my sales of ATI products(suprisingly since I still push Nvidia products.) So if anybody wants one, they are the RETAIL version from ATI set at 275/275,comes with drivers,all cables,Halflife game pack. Will ship anywhere in US or Canada for $250. Feel free to email with questions either way, otherwise they will be going on ebay.

:beer:

[Cisco Kid]

Good price , but too canadian dinnero that tyranslates to about $380 we can buy for for $375 Canadian, unless you want some good Wisers 18 year old whiskey as a partial trade LOL. Nice offer, I would jump on it to avoid paying tax if I was in the US


Have you played with the 7500 at all?? I wanna get some opinions on those that have used it.

Cisco Kid:beer:

[Kingslayer]

Originally posted by nick_cw


I was just saying that until it can beat the Ti500 hands down, it is not what its cracked up to be. (Ie: Geforce Killer)



This sparks my curiousity. You say you want it to beat it hands down. What do you want it to beat it in? I wondering what you are basing your opinion on.

This article was good. How come people dont harp on the GF3's downfalls. Like pathetic 2D text? Because it has nothing to do with FPS, thats why.

I think everyone should give ATI a big round of applause. They say that when you reach the top, that all people do is try and tear you down, and that is all that they have done to the 8500 since day one. It's obvious ATI has reached the top. Now they are paying more attention to the 8500's faults than the GF3's good features.

[WillysNut]

If we could go back in time we would see the same arguments, be them in a different technical context, about Voodoo cards versus NVidia's original cards. In the end, Voodoo dissappeared and Nvidia took the crown seat (for now!). I think today, the crown could head either way if ATI get's on the ball.

The one thing that I don't like lately is the fact the the price on the 8500's have dropped so drastically. I would bet that ATI is working on something new, while trying to get a stable driver set out to the public.

The price, on average, of the Ti cards has remained fairly constant, while the 8500/7500 have continued to drop in price. I would guess, in a market sense, ATI is probably not moving a ton of 8500's becuase of negative publicity.

All it takes is a bad rev of drivers to hit the streets and a card's momentum can die instantly. Most of us have seen that happen in the past. (The original Kyro GPU).

As many have mentioned, I welcome the competition that ATI has brought to the table, but personally, I'm a FPS, game type of guy, and I want the card that does the most now. It's all up to personal opinion. I look forward to the future to see where this battle goes.

[Kingslayer]

Yeah the prices have dropped dramatically lately. I looked at Pricewatch today and found a couple of 8500's in the $190USD range. They were being billed as retail, but just because they put a picture of the ATI box on the webpage doesnt mean that's what they are going to send you.

At least one of them was a "Phone Order Price only" which kinda makes me a little weary. It's easier to do the ole "Bait and Switch" over the phone than it is on a web page order. But at least you can verify if its retail or OEM. But I see it already.....

"Yes, I saw your add on Pricewatch for the RETAIL 8500, I'd like one of those, but can you assure me that this is coming in an ATI box, and that this isnt an OEM card"?

"We're sorry but we're all sold out of the 8500's but do have OEM 8500's in stock"

or

"These will ship in an ATI box sir" Then it arrives in an OEM package mysteriously.

Which mean that I have to drive all the way out to California to break someones legs.

[Dark Illusion]

I'll remember that=) But how does phone differ any to web order? I'd think because you talked personally it would be more of a sure bet.

East to West is only a 5-day drive anyhow. Nevada takes forever. All you see is desert.

[Daovonnaex]

This basically confirms my opinion about ATI--excellent electrical engineering, poor programming. I really wish that someone would make a mobo with two AGP slots, since GF3 and RAD both have piddling 2D performance.

[Tumbler 00]

The most important thing is ATI & Nvida are competing,I could give a s_ _ _ about either companys stockholders.Without competition you get Intel & Rambus,if either cards lacking we should know.

I just got a 7500 $200.00 cdn ,havn't used it much yet my 3DMark2001,went from 700(rage128) to a 1800,but still have only a 2xAGP board and a P-III,(thats next).My 128,s 2D seemed better.But for $200 figured the 7500 could tie me over in my re-building stage.What would be good way to check dx-8 performance?

[Cisco Kid]

Originally posted by Tumbler 00
The most important thing is ATI & Nvida are competing,I could give a s_ _ _ about either companys stockholders.Without competition you get Intel & Rambus,if either cards lacking we should know.

I just got a 7500 $200.00 cdn ,havn't used it much yet my 3DMark2001,went from 700(rage128) to a 1800,but still have only a 2xAGP board and a P-III,(thats next).My 128,s 2D seemed better.But for $200 figured the 7500 could tie me over in my re-building stage.What would be good way to check dx-8 performance?


Your score is low, it can definitely be higher but it could be the cpu and rest of system plus other factors
1) what is your PIII cpu size
2) what type of mobo are you using, via chipset or intel
3) are you running the latest mobo bios and 4in1 drivers if via
4) how much ram are using
5) make sure you have the best or most optimized video card driver and this will take some testing of various drivers

I have a Radeon 64 DDR vivo that I run overclocked at 236/472and I just got a 7500 with a raincheck from futureshop for $199. I am gonna install it right now to compare to see if it is worth keeping and how much better it will score in 3D Mark2K1. More than likely I will return it within a month.

With my 64 DDR VIVO I scored 4328 but I am sure I can score higher with a bit more of an overclock. I will post my score with the 7500 in a little bit.

Also I do not think the 7500 supports DX8 only does DX7 whereas my 64 DDR vivo does support DX8, thats why I can not figure out that they did not give the 7500 DX8 hardware support.

Cisco Kid:burn:

[mbigna]

What a great article! I hope Ed Stroligo read that as well, as it represents to me what a good article about QUALITY might look like. Where as Ed was highly concerned about the fact that everyone has a different monitor with which to compare, I don't think that matters so much. I believe that if we, with all our different monitors, were allowed to view each screen shot (or 3D motion capture) side-by-side on our own monitor, we could make judgements about quality ourselves.

What I liked about this article is that the screen captures were blown up and posted side by side so that they could be viewed together at the same time. ALSO, the article pointed out what we should be looking for in each instance to highlight the differences in quality.

After reading Ed's piece, I understand that he may not want to get that deep in performance details. While it is true that this article covered performance along with the quality comparisons, I think it was quite appropriate for this article. This is because the different combinations of settings could cause playability to be an issue. My thinking is that if frame rates are all greater than 70 fps or so for all the comparisons, then I'm not too concerned. But when you get in the range of 60 fps or less, I want to know about it.

[Tumbler 00]

Yeah Cisico, I know those scores are low,thats all stock.I'm not posting my system yet because its about to change.But i have a Jetway board which is the VIA Appolo pro 133 chipset,and yes I have the latest 4 in 1 drivers.The proc is the P-III 600 (B i think),new to the OCing but i assumed OCing a Slot-1,was kinda difficult.I have 256 megs of generic PC-133 sdram,250W psu.

I was going to try more over-clocking when I get my new stuff(350w Enermax,Xp1600,Soltek-75DRV2,256-DDR of crucial).Then i was going to OC my old set-up and learn off that.I started to O.C. my old video-card,but i didnt push it very hard.Post your opinion of the 7500,if you can and a little on what you did.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally posted by Tumbler 00
Yeah Cisico, I know those scores are low,thats all stock.I'm not posting my system yet because its about to change.But i have a Jetway board which is the VIA Appolo pro 133 chipset,and yes I have the latest 4 in 1 drivers.The proc is the P-III 600 (B i think),new to the OCing but i assumed OCing a Slot-1,was kinda difficult.I have 256 megs of generic PC-133 sdram,250W psu.

I was going to try more over-clocking when I get my new stuff(350w Enermax,Xp1600,Soltek-75DRV2,256-DDR of crucial).Then i was going to OC my old set-up and learn off that.I started to O.C. my old video-card,but i didnt push it very hard.Post your opinion of the 7500,if you can and a little on what you did.


Well I see that you have a nice system coming, very similar to mine , less ram but faster cpu.

I would say that at this time the 7500 is a decent card for $200 Canadian. I would be interetsed to compare to a G2 Ti200 64 DDR card from MSI. Since 3D Mark2K1 is geared towards nvidia the MSI would score higher but I think the 7500 will be faster.

The engine clk can be overclocked quite high , higher than a 8500, I got mine to 335, the memory got to 490 when at this point I got some tiny tearing in 3D mark2K1.

It is a close call between my modded 64 DDR vivo at 236/472, yeah the 7500 is a bit faster but there is only a diff of less than 375 pts between the 2 cards in 3 D mark2k1 but the 7500 is on stock cooling.

I thjink with a crystal orb and samsinks plus a vantec slot cooler it will do 330/500 rock solid. That is fast .

I will keep ya posted, I also think you can get your 600 to 800 but I can not remember howe the 600eb's were, try funnyperson1

Cisco kid

:cool:

[Dark Illusion]

Take a look

here (http://www.rage3d.com/#1006823868)

[Dark Illusion]

<I think anyone who replied to this thread should read the link bump>

[Maximus Nickus]

Does it really matter if your card doesn't support the latest dx?

Does this mean that DX9 (when its out) won't work with our generatopn of cards? Or will be "slower", I find this hard to believe.

Just confused...

[Dark Illusion]

Eh, I don't think so. DX8 are just barely coming out. DX7 cards --Just about everything up to GFu, save the radeon, are doing fine. Just like Hardware T/L it takes a while for new features to get support and then longer for it to be supported well and correctly.

[Maximus Nickus]

Thanks,

Hey is that picture of u?:cool:

[Dark Illusion]

It is indeed. I was playing around w/ a film scanner and that was the only pic I scanned in. Figured good for an avatar

[Maximus Nickus]

Cool,

Not bad picture quality either!

Nick:cool:

[Maximus Nickus]

Impressive rig to, 106GB!!!

[joey_rjm5]

Originally posted by Oreo_The_Cookie
Just wait til Aquanox comes out and all of you are dying for photo realisticaly rendered full motion video which the G3 just can't give you.

I just saw the 8500 for $315Cnd or about ~$210Am oem
how much was the Asus G3Ti500? $590Cnd ~$395Am

I am getting my Asus V8200 deluxe in the mail soon and could you guess how much i paid for it?..............167 shipped! It is, of course, used, but that is just fine with me. I just wanted to let people know that if hey look around they can find what they want. I actually found this in the classifiedsIt isn't a ti500 but it is definatley competitive with the 8500. Oh, and this Aquanox game sounds like it will be good. Links anyone? I guess I could find info on my own:)

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Oh, and I read that article the other day and it isn't saying the Radeon is bad at all. I second the idea that you should read the article.

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Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
I think the 7500 is kind of a waste considering the other cards available at that price point.

lets see, Radeon7500=110$

other cards in price range=

64mbGTS(80$)-What are you joking a GTS has nothing on the 7500

geforce2Pro(100$)-Getting closer, but still not too close in performance to 7500

geforce2Ti(130$)-if you get the gainward450 after ocing it should beon par, but remember the 7500 oces very well, to the point where it beats Ultras

Geforce2Ultra(180$)-too much money! and performance is very close to 7500s...