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Very close to ordering this system for use with my KT7A system...
Just want to know if anyone here is using it. The reviews that I have seen for the new case are very good but just want some real world perspective.
I am going to use it for my CP, MOBO and Video card....You guys think this system will be able to handle that?
Got mine from INFOTECH systems, only charged me 18 bucks shipping and 19 bucks each for the Video and Mobo blocks..not too bad.....
Just appreciate any tips as far as installing...
I have a Enermax PSU, I heard something about a problem with the coolance, what is it?
i got the koolance :D :D :D
i have the mobo/cpu and it seems to handle that very well....im sure with the video there shouldn't be a problem at all
only thing is if u wanna get some better temps you may need to add a few fans (theres a room in the back for a 80) and i'm shortly going to mount my 120mm on the middle bottom
temps are still quite reasonable without any fans at all, tho
as far as the enermax....you will have to cut out a hole in the bottom of the PS holder to utilize the 2 fans...but i believe it should fit fine...i have an old enermax and theres plenty of clearance in there
EDIT: the installation is a breeze...just make sure to leak test it for around a day at least!!!
my temps are in my signature down there \/
if you have any questions at all i'll be happy to answer :)
That is great! Is that with the case closed? Or the case open. If you have an open case, just wondering if you ever close the case, what the temps are....
Originally posted by livan
That is great! Is that with the case closed? Or the case open. If you have an open case, just wondering if you ever close the case, what the temps are....
i have it open now....but hopefully once i get my hands on a hole saw and get that blowhole the temps should be fairly the same
i can test it with the cover on if u want....? or with 80mm in the back
If you can test it with the case closed and also case closed and with the Blow fan in the back.
Also you use that water wetter stuff? Can you use it with the Koolance?
Check this (http://koolance.com/faq/body.html#16a) out. Ironically, you can hack the panels apart, and still receive support, but if you add anything to the liquid, you void your warranty. So the water wetter may not be the best idea if you want to receive support.
koolance says that any additives like water wetter will void ur warranty
im not using any at the moment...but only because im unsure as to the chemical interactions between the wetter and the koolance additive...would be curious to know if this would cause problems
testin it...results back in n hour
I thought Koolance ships teh Cases without water now. What are these additives? Will also if you can tell me your ambient room temps....
Thanks...Glad I will have a fellow Koolance owner to discuss things with...
Originally posted by livan
I thought Koolance ships teh Cases without water now. What are these additives? Will also if you can tell me your ambient room temps....
Thanks...Glad I will have a fellow Koolance owner to discuss things with...
yup they ship without water now...
im not sure about the addictives...i emailed the koolance tech but they never responded...i'll try sending another email...
but i do remember koolance expressing that their additive was comparable if not better than water wetter...so we may not have to even bother...
***koolance at mode 1: 45% power***
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normal stats (side panel off)
tbird 1.4@ 1.5
water temp: 26C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 36C
ambient(mobo): 22C
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side panel on: no fans
tbird 1.4@ 1.5
water temp: 29C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 43C
ambient(mobo): 32C *ouch!*
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side panel on: 1 fan in back (80mm, 20cfm) blowing out
tbird 1.4 @ 1.5
water temp: 28C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 40C
ambient(mobo): 27C
= 1 fan pretty much halves the temp between the two....so i think with my blowhole and a higher CFM fan in the back (on its way)....i'll be safely equal to what it is without the side on...if not possibly better...
Will,
Why only at 45% power? What happens if you make teh fans go at 100%, or is mode 1 where they goto 100% at over 35c?
IF a 20cfm fan makes that kind of difference, imagine you put a YS TEc 47CFM baby back there...Which one you getting?
Originally posted by livan
Will,
Why only at 45% power? What happens if you make teh fans go at 100%, or is mode 1 where they goto 100% at over 35c?
IF a 20cfm fan makes that kind of difference, imagine you put a YS TEc 47CFM baby back there...Which one you getting?
mode 1 = 45% til 45C then 100%
mode 2 = 45% til 35 then gradual increase til 100%
mode 3 = 100% all the time
at this point tho...even with no fan at all....you should never have to use full power (whoohoo...less noise :))
im getting a sunon 90mm high speed, heres the stats:
92x92x25mm, 51 CFM @ 2700 RPM, 35 dBA, 2.3 watts, .19 amp, 12v DC, dual ball bearing, 4-pin Molex connector
i found it on sidewinders website...u can listen recordings of them here:
http://sidewindercomputers.com/tecar.html
So I guess you have to mod the screw holes a bit to fit that 90mm fan? Do you mind turning the fans to 100% with case closed and see what you get? I am just curious and excited about this case. I ordered from Infortech systems yesterday, They already shipped today!
Originally posted by livan
So I guess you have to mod the screw holes a bit to fit that 90mm fan?
yup there should be enough clearance in there for a 90...will just have to make a few pilot holes for mounting...no big deal
Do you mind turning the fans to 100% with case closed and see what you get? I am just curious and excited about this case. I ordered from Infortech systems yesterday, They already shipped today!
thats no problem...will post results ASAP
PS: the weather is COLD outside...and temps inside are a bit chily...so expect 1-2C lower! (cpu was running at 34 and water at 25)
***koolance at mode 3: 100% power***
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Side Panel Off & 45CFM Fan Blowing On PCI Slots
tbird 1.4@ 1.5
water temp: 24C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 34C
ambient(mobo): 22C
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Side Panel On & No Fans
tbird 1.4@ 1.5
water temp: 27C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 42C
ambient(mobo): 31C
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Side Panel On & 20cfm Rear Fan Blowing Out
tbird 1.4@ 1.5
water temp: 26C
v-core: 1.85
CPU temp: 38C
ambient(mobo): 28C
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more coming soon....
That back fan really makes a difference..
I will be installing the Mobo Cooler too on my KT7A Pretty straight forward like the Manual says? Curious why you didn't get a Video Card Cooler?
Daovonnaex
11-28-01, 12:12 AM
If it's not already included, I would suggest adding a dye to the liquid (screw the warranty, overclockers aren't troubled by such things), because then you can make absolutely certain that there are no leaks (it looks cool, too). Make sure that you're truly purchasing a dye, not pigment. Also, does Koolance include peltiers with their system? If not, I would suggest purchasing some as they can greatly increase your cooling performance. The thermal grease that Koolance sends its cases with isn't very good, buy some Arctic Silver and use that instead (apply it very carefully). You may also want to consider adding a chiller to your water, check out http://www.overclock-watercool.com/ for information about this. My final piece of advice is to cut a hole in the front of the computer in order to mount a 120mm fan, and make sure you've decent fan filters in front and in back (keep dust out as much as possible).
Originally posted by livan
I will be installing the Mobo Cooler too on my KT7A Pretty straight forward like the Manual says? Curious why you didn't get a Video Card Cooler?
Yup, the motherboard block is pretty straight forward to install. Basically all you have to do is remove 2 plastic pins holding your original heatsink/fan in place, (I actually had to clip them off with wire cutters because they were being a little stubburn) carefully take off the heatsink, remove the former thermal paste, put some good old arctic silver like the above guy mentioned ;), and clip it into place!
Hopefully you don't have a lot of tall capacitors or a northbridge right next to the RAM slots, otherwise you may have play around with it for a while. Koolance did angle the input/output on the block to help in these cases, however.
The reason why I didn't purchase a video card cooler is first of all they don't REALLY need that much cooling, unless you plan on overclocking to the max of course. :D I already got a free blue orb from a friend and have that mounted and while maybe the cooling isn't AS good, it sure will look pretty once i get my case window. Which, by the way, koolance will be offering through their resellers very soon. I think the purchase price is going to be around 10$ so you might as well buy from them instead of buying a window kit.
As far as dye goes, thats up to you.
EDIT: OOPS, didn't see you had the same mobo as me! You shouldn't have any problems, just angle it down and to the right.
Originally posted by Daovonnaex
You may also want to consider adding a chiller to your water, check out http://www.overclock-watercool.com/ for information about this. My final piece of advice is to cut a hole in the front of the computer in order to mount a 120mm fan, and make sure you've decent fan filters in front and in back (keep dust out as much as possible).
I will NOT suggest you buy from www.overclock-watercool.com. I and a few others (check my sorta long-ish thread in vendor discussion) have had some very bad experiences with him. It took him 2 1/2 months to send me my Koolance and i feel I was pretty lucky to have gotten it at all. If you don't believe me check their ratings as www.resellerratings.com as well.
I didn't even consider adding a fan filter, thanks for reminding me! Does anyone have suggestions for some good filters? I know you can use thinks like the Scotch-Brite pads...but it seems to me that these would hinder airflow quite a bit.
IT wasn't specific as to how long to let the "test run" go for....
I assume you hook everything up nad let it go, tilt the radiator front a bit, bend teh tubes a bit? How long?
As for the modifications to the blocks,,,I have a KT7A just like you, did you have to do alot of moving around?
Originally posted by livan
IT wasn't specific as to how long to let the "test run" go for....
I assume you hook everything up nad let it go, tilt the radiator front a bit, bend teh tubes a bit? How long?
As for the modifications to the blocks,,,I have a KT7A just like you, did you have to do alot of moving around?
Adding water/additive and getting the bubbles out of the blocks took about an hour. After that I tested it for about 48 hours for any signs of leaks
Yup, I noticed you had that board too and editted my post accordingly. Angled right and down. Make sure that you cut out plenty of tubing, though.
Hey livan! You should be happy to know after unlocking my t-bird here are my results:
CPU: T-Bird 1.4 @ 1.61
Multipliers: 11.5X140
PCI Bus: 35Mhz
CPU Temp: 37C
Water Temp: 26C
Ambient: 23
V-core: 1.8
We'll see if I can't push it just a little higher. :D
Daovonnaex
11-28-01, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by _Will_
I will NOT suggest you buy from www.overclock-watercool.com. I and a few others (check my sorta long-ish thread in vendor discussion) have had some very bad experiences with him. It took him 2 1/2 months to send me my Koolance and i feel I was pretty lucky to have gotten it at all. If you don't believe me check their ratings as www.resellerratings.com as well. Thanks for the tip, as I had been considering purchasing a pump from them.
How long did it take you to set everything up? The more I read about it, the more I am getting excited about this. IF you think about it $200 bucks is really not too bad for this. I was looking at some blowhole cases and they want 250 for them!
Originally posted by livan
How long did it take you to set everything up? The more I read about it, the more I am getting excited about this. IF you think about it $200 bucks is really not too bad for this. I was looking at some blowhole cases and they want 250 for them!
It may take you a while to get the heatsink/fan off your video card depending on if the factory used thermal adhesive or just normal interface material. In the former case you may have to put the card in the freezer for a while then gently pull the heatsink off the chip. (Only do this as a last resort, there are other methods also that may be more safe. Just post a thread and I'm sure there'll be lots of input on the different ways you can do it.)
Other than that it shouldn't take more than an hour after you get rid of the bubbles and flow test. Its really easy to set up. You'll think its just a normal case!
I am already thinking about puting a blowhole next tot he water Reservoir. Any idea how to go about doing this?
Did a search on Google and heres a pretty detailed step-by-step approach to how to make blowholes in your case:
http://www.thetechzone.com/articles/how_to/case_project/page3.htm
If you are adding one next to the reservoir you won't have much space, however. Probably no more than a 80mm, otherwise the top will just be blowing onto the hard drive bays.
This is an interesting thought, though. Coupled with another fan (120mm?) in the bottom center it may be able to cool even better. I'm not sure how well cooling the reservoir itself would do...Its just plastic after all. Well, in any case it would probably get rid of recycled air that would just be circling in the area, thus lowering ambient temps and it may possibly work fairly well.
Livan, I don't suppose you could tell me what the specs are on the system you're planning to cram in that new Koolance? I'm interested to know. :)
Intraveinous
11-29-01, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by _Will_
I didn't even consider adding a fan filter, thanks for reminding me! Does anyone have suggestions for some good filters? I know you can use thinks like the Scotch-Brite pads...but it seems to me that these would hinder airflow quite a bit.
I use these: http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/42/55.htm?12
2CoolTek has them in 60, 80, 92 and 120 mm sizes. They don't really hinder airflow all that much, but you have to make sure you keep them clean. The one on my side blowhole always ends up full of cat hair, but it's really easy to just run my fingers across it and pull it off... Kinda similar to cleaning the lint trap in your clothes dryer... You could probably find them cheaper if you shopped around, but I knew 2CoolTek had em, so I linked to there... I've also heard of people stretching panty hose across the fan and attaching it with rubber bands and tape, but I've not tried that...
Peace
John
Awesome!!! Now I'll feel a lot better if I somehow screw up when im cutting out that blowhole. Can just cover it up with the grill/filter. :D
Will,
I will be running a Tbird 1.2ghz at 1.45ghz....I have already got the overclock down but I I have to keep teh case open with this setup. I am just having trouble with Setting up the alpha 8045 correctly. But I am hoping with the Koolance, I will take care of that....
I've ordered the Koolance case with CPU, GPU and HDD cooler (RAID) as well. Will see if it can beat my current watercool set. Main reason for me to buy the Koolance is that the whole cooling system is 'on board' in the case itself.
Moving my current case with the external reservoir and radiator to a LAN party is quit a nuisance.
Teh compact/performance ratio seems to be there. Plus their Radiator is a good setup as well.....The electronics with thos fans I like....Easy expandibility..
Adn those guys at kolance seems very willing to support their product.....a Winning Combo I think....
The ATI cards have no mounting holes, How are you able to mount the Koolance GPU cooler on that?
Still trying to figure out what I'd going to do to my case, exactly. Probably one of these three. Or possibly just the blowhole IF it performs well. But i'd rather have 4 more quiet fans than 2 annoyings ones...
Will you are going by the Koolance Temp probe right?
Originally posted by livan
Will you are going by the Koolance Temp probe right?
There is a probe that goes on the CPU block. But the temperature that they show on the LED screen at the top is the water temp. In all honesty I'm not sure how you get the temperature from the CPU block. My load temperatures are the ones that are recorded by my motherboard.
Maybe you could help me here. I didn't see anything in the manual about this. Maybe I'm just mistaken...
It seems to me when I have read reviews, they always refer to the LCD readout as the CPU tempurature..
It kinda makes sense... I haven't heard of it having a probe in the water, but I have seen the CPU probe.
its probably the CPU temp.
-Neco.
Got my system setup...
Got a problem....
Everything looks great and super quiet but I think I got a problem of Case temperature being too high. I keep the case in a small cabinet too which does not help I know but I am able to atleast get 1 hour of prime 95 in in whereas it would crach after 20 mnutes with 8045.... I got 5 HDs in this thing and 2 CDRWs. So that Generates alot of heat.
Now I can mount a fan in the back, you guys suggest exhaust out or blow in to clear up all that stale heat?
But this is a great system ..I love it.....
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