The 8800GTX/GTS are officially CPU Limited

[dominick32]

I will run the 3m06 when I come home from work tonight but these are the 3dmark 05 results:

TONIGHT I WILL BE POSTING THESE ADDITIONAL FREQUENCYS - 1.8 GHz, 2.4 GHz, 2.66 GHz, 2.93 GHz, 4.2 Ghz, possible higher.

Conroe E6700 @ 2.93GHz


http://svtsnake.com/ocforums/cpulimit.JPG


Conroe E6700 @ 4.2GHz


http://svtsnake.com/ocforums/8800gtx1.JPG


So we have an official CPU bottlnecked card. THIS CARD IS A BEAST!!! This confirms that other guys post with the Opteron. Its not your GTS thats holding you back, its your processor bro. Dont let it get to you dude.

JUST A LITTLE MORE FUEL TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION:
Forget about quads. Lets talk about clock speed here and 65nm architecture. In a single thread app or game, such as 3dm05 or "bogo mark" lol, once I upped the cpu clocks over 3.0 GHz, the 3d performance seemed to explode. Would that not indicate that the GPU has plenty of room left in it, simply waiting for more single threaded processing power? And lets say the GPU ran out of processing power, that would mean even if I increased clockspeed to lets say 4.2 GHz from 3.0 Ghz, there would only be a VERY VERY minute change in 3dmark05 points. At least thats what I found with ATI X1900 XT. Let me see if I can find some old benchmarks.

But if I remember correctly:
ATI X1900XT (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6600 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 12,200 3dmarks
E6600 Conroe @ 4.1 GHz on my Vapochill = 13,647

So, that would mean theoretically the X1900XT is maxed out of processing power and even by increasing CPU clock speed dramatically it did relatively nothing to my score.

Now here is my current benchmarks::
EVGA 8800GTX (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6700 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 16,438
E6700 Conroe @ 4.2 GHZ = 19,137

By analyzing the difference between both cards, almost duplicate setups, with exact clockspeeds. Doesnt that show that one GPU ran out of processing power, and the 8800GTX still has plenty on tap?

[Dan0512]

Can you post the details of ea. test? I predict there is a huge jump in the return to proxycon test, which is very CPU limited regardless of VGA.

dan

[dominick32]

Can you post the details of ea. test? I predict there is a huge jump in the return to proxycon test, which is very CPU limited regardless of VGA.

dan

I will post up the details tonight, as well as a lot more results.. Its not only return to proxycon. Its every benchy. And I do not run the CPU benchmark, I escape out of the benchy before CPU score runs.

More results when i get home from work.

[knightwolf6543]

bring on the octa core cpus!!! lol wow guess it is a good thing i dident buy one of these.

[greenmaji]

And someone has been talking about SLI :p
Well.. at least krag is going kentfeild right off. :beer:

[MadMan007]

4.2/2.93 = 43% speed increase.
19137/16438 = 16% speed increase.

Are you sure that shows a CPU limitation? Post all the sub-scores it would be nice to see where it picks up the points, one bad thing about 3DM is it has a purely CPU score component. Just run the full test and take off the CPU score. Maybe do runs at more points and graph it out, the current range might overlap the point where it shows linear increase with CPU speed so we don't have a real idea where that happens.

As for quad, it would only matter for 3Dmark anyway for the time being.

[dominick32]

4.2/2.93 = 43% speed increase.
19137/16438 = 16% speed increase.

Are you sure that shows a CPU limitation? Post all the sub-scores it would be nice to see where it picks up the points, one bad thing about 3DM is it has a purely CPU score component. Just run the full test and take off the CPU score. Maybe do runs at more points and graph it out, the current range might overlap the point where it shows linear increase with CPU speed so we don't have a real idea where that happens.

As for quad, it would only matter for 3Dmark anyway for the time being.

Please do me a favor and read my previous post, I press escape before CPU score is computed.
Please read where I said: And I do not run the CPU benchmark, I escape out of the benchy before CPU score runs.


It only computes GPU FPS scores, not CPU score. So please take the 2.93 vs 4.2 out of the equation.

[crfracer290]

wow 2800 points, these things are monsters, looks Like I will have to push the hell out of my e6600 to keep from bottlenecking.

[MadMan007]

I saw that. I don't know if 3DM is consistent when aborting it mid-test. If it was me I'd let the full test run and take off the CPU scores manually but if it doesn't matter then cool.

I don't know what you mean by 'take 2.93 vs 4.2 out of the question.' Isn't that the whole point of the thread? :) It could scale linearly across that whole range just not in a 1:1 ratio but...

You still should run tests at various speeds instead of two extremes only. Think about it, what if all or a majority of the speed increase comes before 4.2? What I mean is, it may not scale linearly all the way from 2.93 to 4.2 and the only way to know that is test speeds in between and see if they all fit on the same line.

[Fr3@k3r]

BITE ME!!!

lmfao im not upgrading for another $1000 just to get a better score with my GTS and opteron LOL

altho it would be nice, i dont just buy the cards for scores... overclocking now and testing again :)

btw my 3DMark03 with my opty at 2gbrhz

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/spikedzombies/3dmark03.jpg

[dominick32]

I saw that. I don't know if 3DM is consistent when aborting it mid-test. If it was me I'd let the full test run and take off the CPU scores manually but if it doesn't matter then cool.

I don't know what you mean by 'take 2.93 vs 4.2 out of the question.' Isn't that the whole point of the thread? :) It could scale linearly across that whole range just not in a 1:1 ratio but...

You still should run tests at various speeds instead of two extremes only. Think about it, what if all or a majority of the speed increase comes before 4.2? What I mean is, it may not scale linearly all the way from 2.93 to 4.2 and the only way to know that is test speeds in between and see if they all fit on the same line.

Tonight, just for you I will run @ 1.80GHz, 2.0GHz, 2.4GHz, 3.0GHz.... than my bigtime 4.4Ghz run!!! :beer: Just for you madman! And only you! lol

[dominick32]

BITE ME!!!

lmfao im not upgrading for another $1000 just to get a better score with my GTS and opteron LOL

altho it would be nice, i dont just buy the cards for scores... overclocking now and testing again :)
[/IMG]

Are you being sarcastic bro? I was just being sympathetic towards your concern in the other thread about your low scores. :bday:

[jcll2002]

yeah no question its his opty holding him back.

i loled myself because i saw "@4.2ghz" and wondered who had it. It was stupid, of course it was dominick ;)

[Shell]

Want a boost in performance? Overclock the PCIe 16x link to 3Ghz and see your score fly.

[dominick32]

Want a boost in performance? Overclock the PCIe 16x link to 3Ghz and see your score fly.

LOL ^^^^^^

[Shell]

LOL ^^^^^^
What's so "LOL"? The stock effective speed is 2.5Ghz(or was it 2Ghz effective?), 3Ghz is the max on most mainboards, so I say gun it! It'll help, it even helps a bit on my X1900XT when I have it at my current speeds.

It does not look to be completely CPU bound IMO.

[dominick32]

yeah no question its his opty holding him back.

i loled myself because i saw "@4.2ghz" and wondered who had it. It was stupid, of course it was dominick ;)

I know. I always forget that putting a number up like 4.2 GHz is useless in a comparison for 99% of you guys not running extreme cooling. I shouldve put something more realistic like 3.6 GHz or something. hehe

[Fr3@k3r]

well im overclocking my opty up to 2.5 maybe 2.6 and do testing again... just cant do much because i got a forked board lol...

altho im not getting many good 3dmark scores... im getting awesome framerates in gaming ;)

[dominick32]

It does not look to be completely CPU bound IMO.

Results will come tonight.

[dominick32]

altho im not getting many good 3dmark scores... im getting awesome framerates in gaming ;)

Tell me about man. I was just telling rattle in the other thread that I have never played a completed maxed out quality, high res, and maxed out filtering game of FEAR before that was smoother than 800 X 600 at low quality. These 8800 cards are truly incredible! I never congratulated you on the purchase. Congrats! :beer:

[Fr3@k3r]

Tell me about man. I was just telling rattle in the other thread that I have never played a completed maxed out quality, high res, and maxed out filtering game of FEAR before that was smoother than 800 X 600 at low quality. These 8800 cards are truly incredible! I never congratulated you on the purchase. Congrats! :beer:

hahah my cpu at 2.2ghz and my gpu overclocked on 3dmark05... 12k+ :P

now how bout i crank it to 2.8 :santa:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/spikedzombies/3dmark05.jpg

[Dan0512]

I would rather say that 3dmark05 is CPU limited with a GF8.. but not that the GF8 is bottlenecked by C2D's... Otherwise we could say that a 6800 is bottlenecked by the CPU, judging by 3dmark 01 scaling.

dan

[Shell]

I have a question:
What the hell?
The 8800 is best benchmarked with 3DMARK06, 3DMARK05 is a horrible benchmark for the G80, it would definately be CPU bound.

I demand 3DM06 scores to see if it really is CPU bound!

[Fr3@k3r]

I have a question:
What the hell?
The 8800 is best benchmarked with 3DMARK06, 3DMARK05 is a horrible benchmark for the G80, it would definately be CPU bound.

I demand 3DM06 scores to see if it really is CPU bound!

lol

well my 06 score is listed at 6394 stock clocks on gpu and cpu... ill do another pass overclocked for you guys.

[Rattle]

I have a question:
What the hell?
The 8800 is best benchmarked with 3DMARK06, 3DMARK05 is a horrible benchmark for the G80, it would definately be CPU bound.

I demand 3DM06 scores to see if it really is CPU bound!


its absolutely without a doubt totally 100% cpu bound dude, people are hitting 19k+ in 05 with the GTS on air no mods just OC conroes and gts, 06 is even more cpu bound as it gets way higher scores with quad core.

[dominick32]

I have a question:
What the hell?
The 8800 is best benchmarked with 3DMARK06, 3DMARK05 is a horrible benchmark for the G80, it would definately be CPU bound.

I demand 3DM06 scores to see if it really is CPU bound!

You wont want to see my 3dm06 scores because they are even more disgustingly CPU bound. 3dm06 scores on my card are doubled what they were on my old x1900xt.

PS- chill out. Have a beer or something. :beer:

Nice signature you got there:
I refuse to get a C2D or G80 simply because it'll be a waste of my money since I can play all of my games maxed out at 1600x1200, and Direct3D 10 is worthless untill Vista and Direct3D 10 games are released.

If you are going to be a G80/C2D hater, please do not continue posting in this thread.

[dominick32]

PS - My 3dm06 score on stock clocks, 4.2GHz Conroe =

http://www.svtsnake.com/ocforums/8800gtx2.JPG

[Rattle]

lol yeah getting more frames at 1680x1050 or 1600x1200 with 16x AA than x 1950xtx gets with NO AA is a freaking waste of my money and what some people dont understand is dx10 dont mean squat to me, this si the first card that will let me play my games at my res with MAX settings at FPS I want.

[dominick32]

this si the first card that will let me play my games at my res with MAX settings at FPS I want.
Thats what I have been telling you bro. Rattle, you are gonna literally drop your jaw when you see the difference in a maxed out high res FEAR. FPS doesnt drop below 70, at any point in the in-game benchmark. And averages 156. I have never played such a smooth and high quality gamer EVER, period. This is the only card with this kind of capability. Super High Res + Super High Quality Settings = HIGH FPS. Forget best of both worlds, paired with a good CPu you get best of everything.

Cheers to that. :beer:

PS- Rattle, whats going on with your card? Did it ship yet?

[SuperFarStucker]

its absolutely without a doubt totally 100% cpu bound dude, people are hitting 19k+ in 05 with the GTS on air no mods just OC conroes and gts, 06 is even more cpu bound as it gets way higher scores with quad core.
Actually if you look carefully you will notice the only score that is increasing from dual to quad core is the "cpu score." The VR-Zone review El<(')>Maxi linked (http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4216&s=25) makes this explicit.

05 is single threaded so it doesn't really indicate whether or not you're cpu limited. I would guess that 06 only dispatches 2 rendering threads so that is the reason you see no score increase from C2D->C2Q. Also being CPU limited in bogomark does not imply that you'll be CPU limited in real games, which seems perhaps contrary, until you consider they use unrealistically low resolutions with no AA for the 'scoring' test.

http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/g80/g8800/95.jpg

[Rattle]

yessir be here thursday

Not blaming it on ZZF BUT they always had free 2day fedex, so when I ordered my 8800gtx I didnt realize that alll of sudden its free 5-7 day. This after my 6600 ships 2 day for free week before. So I call them they tell me well sir we are very sorry its already packed and BTW you could have got 2 day for an additional $1.99

OMFGZ i wanted to whip my cell phone lmao, so because I am a TARD i must wait till thursday when I get home from work.

[Rattle]

Actually if you look carefully you will notice the only score that is increasing from dual to quad core is the "cpu score." The VR-Zone review El<(')>Maxi linked (http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4216&s=25) makes this explicit.

05 is single threaded so it doesn't really indicate whether or not you're cpu limited. I would guess that 06 only dispatches 2 rendering threads so that is the reason you see no score increase from C2D->C2Q. Also being CPU limited in bogomark does not imply that you'll be CPU limited in real games, which seems perhaps contrary, until you consider they use unrealistically low resolutions with no AA for the 'scoring' test.

http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/g80/g8800/95.jpg


yeah no need for quads in gaming in other words

[dominick32]

Forget about quads. Lets talk about clock speed here and 65nm architecture. In a single thread app or game, such as 3dm05 or "bogo mark" lol, once I upped the cpu clocks over 3.0 GHz, the 3d performance seemed to explode. Would that not indicate that the GPU has plenty of room left in it, simply waiting for more single threaded processing power? And lets say the GPU ran out of processing power, that would mean even if I increased clockspeed to lets say 4.2 GHz from 3.0 Ghz, there would only be a VERY VERY minute change in 3dmark05 points. At least thats what I found with ATI X1900 XT. Let me see if I can find some old benchmarks.

But if I remember correctly:
ATI X1900XT (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6600 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 12,200 3dmarks
E6600 Conroe @ 4.1 GHz on my Vapochill = 13,647

So, that would mean theoretically the X1900XT is maxed out of processing power and even by increasing CPU clock speed dramatically it did relatively nothing to my score.

Now here is my current benchmarks::
EVGA 8800GTX (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6700 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 16,438
E6700 Conroe @ 4.2 GHZ = 19,137

By analyzing the difference between both cards, almost duplicate setups, with exact clockspeeds. Doesnt that show that one GPU ran out of processing power, and the 8800GTX still has plenty on tap?

[Rattle]

yeah I got same 05 score with x1900xt with 3.3 on the 6600 as you did with 4.1 lol

[Shell]

If you are going to be a G80/C2D hater, please do not continue posting in this thread.
I'm no C2D or G80 hater, all I'm saying is that it's worthless wasting a huge amount of money for something that has no use other then your e-penis score at the moment. C2D is overrated and the G80 is before it's time.
PS - My 3dm06 score on stock clocks, 4.2GHz Conroe =
http://www.svtsnake.com/ocforums/8800gtx2.JPG
Now that's what I'm wanting to see. Proof that the G80 is unnecessary, my rig nicely scores me 6260 with stock everything and is almost 1/3 the price of your rig.

I'm very much into the whole "cost effective" element of computer technologies. If something is not cost effective, it'll fail unless they(the manufacturer of anything) rely on good marketing to sell their technology, which is what nVidia is famous for... in the business world.

And the Quadcore can't really give a good result, and naturally will suck at 3DMARK because that application is not multithreaded well enough. When playing a game, with graphics, physics, the OS in the background, and sound, quadcore processors will defimately show some real life performance in an OS that has good management.

And please show the individual scores(all the details) as they are of my greater intrest.

Wait... HAHA! The damn thing is not CPU bound!
http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/g80/g8800/95.jpg
The overall score only increased from the CPU mark!

[kswaid]

Forget about quads. Lets talk about clock speed here and 65nm architecture. In a single thread app or game, such as 3dm05 or "bogo mark" lol, once I upped the cpu clocks over 3.0 GHz, the 3d performance seemed to explode. Would that not indicate that the GPU has plenty of room left in it, simply waiting for more single threaded processing power? And lets say the GPU ran out of processing power, that would mean even if I increased clockspeed to lets say 4.2 GHz from 3.0 Ghz, there would only be a VERY VERY minute change in 3dmark05 points. At least thats what I found with ATI X1900 XT. Let me see if I can find some old benchmarks.

But if I remember correctly:
ATI X1900XT (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6600 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 12,200 3dmarks
E6600 Conroe @ 4.1 GHz on my Vapochill = 13,647

So, that would mean theoretically the X1900XT is maxed out of processing power and even by increasing CPU clock speed dramatically it did relatively nothing to my score.

Now here is my current benchmarks::
EVGA 8800GTX (STOCK CLOCKS)

E6700 Conroe @ 2.93 GHz = 16,438
E6700 Conroe @ 4.2 GHZ = 19,137

By analyzing the difference between both cards, almost duplicate setups, with exact clockspeeds. Doesnt that show that one GPU ran out of processing power, and the 8800GTX still has plenty on tap?

I don't see how this is really proving anything. The overclocked CPU gives about a 12% boost for the x1900xt, and about a 16.5% boost for the 8800gtx. That does not seem to prove to me that the card is very cpu limited, because the results are very near that of the x1900.

[dominick32]

I'm no C2D or G80 hater, all I'm saying is that it's worthless wasting a huge amount of money for something that has no use other then your e-penis score at the moment. C2D is overrated and the G80 is before it's time.

Now that's what I'm wanting to see. Proof that the G80 is unnecessary, my rig nicely scores me 6260 with stock everything and is almost 1/3 the price of your rig.

I'm very much into the whole "cost effective" element of computer technologies. If something is not cost effective, it'll fail unless they(the manufacturer of anything) rely on good marketing to sell their technology, which is what nVidia is famous for... in the business world.

And the Quadcore can't really give a good result, and naturally will suck at 3DMARK because that application is not multithreaded well enough. When playing a game, with graphics, physics, the OS in the background, and sound, quadcore processors will defimately show some real life performance in an OS that has good management.

And please show the individual scores are also of my greater intrest.

Wait... HAHA! The damn thing is not CPU bound!
http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/g80/g8800/95.jpg
The overall score only increased from the CPU mark!

wow.

[crfracer290]

I dont want to flame Shell, but this is highly devoted benchmarking website... of course there is no need for some components...

Don't be sour just because some people want to spend their money, wisely or not.

You seem to be very angry that some of us are happy with spending money and getting unnecessarily high scores... our money spending doesnt hurt you.
If you are happy with your system and the money and scores you got, then more power to you.

No need to flame us because we choose the latest and greates hardware.

[Rattle]

jesus dom we're alone in the world, we know nothing, we have owned every piece of hardware thats come out since 2003 but we are mis informed HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA

[Shell]

I dont want to flame Shell, but this is highly devoted benchmarking website... of course there is no need for some components...
Don't be sour just because some people want to spend their money, wisely or not.
You seem to be very angry that some of us are happy with spending money and getting unnecessarily high scores... our money spending doesnt hurt you.
If you are happy with your system and the money and scores you got, then more power to you.
No need to flame us because we choose the latest and greates hardware.
I am sour about people blowing money away like it means nothing, you can be all checky about having the latest and greatest hardware, but what are they really getting? Nothing more then a larger number that says that they have a powerful computer.

When I need large amounts of processing power on hand for rendering... do you think I'd be stupid enough to pay an extra $4000 just to get the job done %50 faster then what my(getting old)$2000 SMP could do? Hell no, unless it was a work related task, then I'd throw in the cash as if it's an "investment" of sorts.

And do you think this is nothing more then a highly devoted benchmarking site? Well, some of it is, the rest... the normal... care about their money and are not willing to blow it all on something that'll become out of date in a few months.

That's why it's often down to how cost effective the hardware is.

How many thousand do you spend on computers every year? For me, $2200, if I spent $8000 as some do, that money is just leaving the more important parts of my life's material devotion. I'd rather buy a Large TV, or invest, or pay off more of my mortgage so I can buy a second, larger house and lease the smaller one.
jesus dom we're alone in the world, we know nothing, we have owned every piece of hardware thats come out since 2003 but we are mis informed HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA
wow. (and 2003? how old are you?)

[Fr3@k3r]

hey dominick, do me a favor clock down to 2.25 ghz for me.. do a run on 05 and 06 to compare the 2..

[Rattle]

I am sour about people blowing money away like it means nothing, you can be all checky about having the latest and greatest hardware, but what are they really getting? Nothing more then a larger number that says that they have a powerful computer.

When I need large amounts of processing power on hand for rendering... do you think I'd be stupid enough to pay an extra $4000 just to get the job done %50 faster then what my(getting old)$2000 SMP could do? Hell no, unless it was a work related task, then I'd throw in the cash as if it's an "investment" of sorts.

And do you think this is nothing more then a highly devoted benchmarking site? Well, some of it is, the rest... the normal... care about their money and are not willing to blow it all on something that'll become out of date in a few months.

That's why it's often down to how cost effective the hardware is.

How many thousand do you spend on computers every year? For me, $2200, if I spent $8000 as some do, that money is just leaving the more important parts of my life's material devotion. I'd rather buy a Large TV, or invest, or pay off more of my mortgage so I can buy a second, larger house and lease the smaller one.

wow. (and 2003? how old are you?)


I dont see how my years on earth (29 as of sept 9th) has anything to do with the discussion, I used 2003 because of the large and huge leaps in technology since then.

I dont spend as much as you think, i resell almost everything.
My initial investment in computers also started in late 2003 and has rolled me into late 2006 trading and upgrading parts continuously, it is a hobby and its fun, and if i had as much money as dom I would have phase and 3 raptors too :beer:

And your wrong about alot of things, the best cards before 8800's could not run every game at high res and high settings, so what do you care if we want that?

[crfracer290]

Well I am only 18 years old, still in high school, and I have three things to pay for: Gas, girlfriend, and computer stuff. I don't see why you care how much we spend... to me it seems you are very envious.

If you don't want to spend alot of money then DONT, no one here has told oyu had to or said anything about it. Obviously you are content with your current setup so that is great, its a nice computer indeed.

[Rattle]

BTW you mispelled cost effective and your system would bottleneck a 8800 so you shouldnt get one anyway :)

J/k I had pretty much that same rig till conroe came.

[dominick32]

So, now we have people that hate on guys like myself that spend money on their HOBBY because they enjoy it. People like you should be banned from this site. Hating on me because I buy the latest hardware and overclock the snot out of it. PS- I have yet to spend more than your alotted $2200 per year. I buy and sell, just like the rest of OCF community.

How could you come in here and turn this into a thread badgering people that spend money on the latest hardware? Where are the moderators?

[Rattle]

nah they'd rather take my stars and reduce my post count for setting people like him straight

[MadMan007]

You don't have to do that many points Dom, just maybe 3-4 more between 2.93 and 4.2G.

As for the rest of the idiocy in this thread since the morning - it takes two to tango. :p

[ChinStrap]

btw my 3DMark03 with my opty at 2gbrhz

these scores seem kinda low?
with the set up in my sig i get over 11K in 03 with a 6800.... and my CPU sucks compared to yours.

[jtjuska]

Man, if I would just learn how to follow what is cost effective I may actually have money once in a while. I personally have started my C2D system and now am in the process of building 3 because of it. 1 will be the one in my sig (will be complete this week :D). 1 will be based on a Socket 775 nForce 4 SLI chipset I got here in the classifieds, and 1 that will go to my g/f that is based on this ASRock that I am using now. Total for all components I am spending money on I will probably have 3 completely kickin systems for like 4 grand. I will use system 2 as a backup LAN machine and also as a dedicated folder. My main machine, well its pretty much gonna be used for benching and gaming. My g/f's system will be used for basic web browsing but will also be a folder. sooo..

I can see where everyone is coming from on this and know that this is an hobby/addiction that is a fun one. I don't spend thousands of dollars to be dumped down the drain. Rather I find what is the most enjoyable way I can spend that money and then spend it not looking back and regretting that I only got XX% better than what I could have for $XXXX less. This is all just my take though.

~jtjuska

PS Awesome scores on everyones system!!!

[ChinStrap]

I am sour about people blowing money away like it means nothing, you can be all checky about having the latest and greatest hardware, but what are they really getting? Nothing more then a larger number that says that they have a powerful computer.

When I need large amounts of processing power on hand for rendering... do you think I'd be stupid enough to pay an extra $4000 just to get the job done %50 faster then what my(getting old)$2000 SMP could do? Hell no, unless it was a work related task, then I'd throw in the cash as if it's an "investment" of sorts.

And do you think this is nothing more then a highly devoted benchmarking site? Well, some of it is, the rest... the normal... care about their money and are not willing to blow it all on something that'll become out of date in a few months.

That's why it's often down to how cost effective the hardware is.

How many thousand do you spend on computers every year? For me, $2200, if I spent $8000 as some do, that money is just leaving the more important parts of my life's material devotion. I'd rather buy a Large TV, or invest, or pay off more of my mortgage so I can buy a second, larger house and lease the smaller one.

wow. (and 2003? how old are you?)


wow, thats hardcore for the forums imo. quit reading about it them.

let people spend money if they want to, if thats what they enjoy why get down on them for it.

[crfracer290]

So, now we have people that hate on guys like myself that spend money on their HOBBY because they enjoy it. People like you should be banned from this site. Hating on me because I buy the latest hardware and overclock the snot out of it. PS- I have yet to spend more than your alotted $2200 per year. I buy and sell, just like the rest of OCF community.

How could you come in here and turn this into a thread badgering people that spend money on the latest hardware? Where are the moderators?

Yeah Dom, whats up with this?

I have yet to buy something that I havent sold first, and the first system I started out with was bought by my parents.

[SuperFarStucker]

Nice threadcrap shell, you seem particularly adept at it. :confused:

[dominick32]

Thanks for all the support guys. I am working on a nice new thread, to get away from the nonsense in this one. I plan to include 3dmark05 and 3dmark06 results at 2.4 GHz , 2.66 GHz, 2.93Ghz, 3.3 GHz, and 4.2 Ghz.

Everything will be available for us all to decide on the answer. Is the new 8800 GTX/GTS GPU bottlenecked by the CPU, or is the actual software bottlenecking the CPU/GPU?

[greenmaji]

Could we get back to the topic of the thread and stop discussing the merit of hardware purchases?
That would be, wether or not the 8800 cards are CPU limited.

[Shell]

That would be, wether or not the 8800 cards are CPU limited.
I thought a 587x190 image answered that question:
http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/g80/g8800/95.jpg
Same program.
Same settings.
Same GPU score(within margin of error).
2 vs 4 cores on a multi-threaded application capable of occupying 4 processing cores.
Now there is a problem... 3DMARK06 may not take advantage of all 4 cores while performing the GPU benchmark.

My(IMO) conclusion to this thread... yes it is heavily CPU bound, but we can't be shure as to how much unless we ask Futuremark if 3DMARK06 actually takes advantage of 2 or more cores while performing the GPU benchmark.

And I still want to see if the G80 is saturating the PCIe interface.

[MadMan007]

You don't have to do that many points Dom, just maybe 3-4 more between 2.93 and 4.2G.


Actually Dom if you want to take the time to do more feel free :D and please show scores for all tests. It could show us which tests scale with CPU speed and which don't.

The only thing I'm not sure about is the conclusion that a single card (SLI I could believe a bit more easily ;)) is CPU limited outside of 3DM for the way they are used. 3DM is a wierd application to say the least and has numerous artificial benchmarks (fillrate, shaders) and the standard suite runs at moderate resolution with no extra features. In real apps when someone has the extra power they are just going to turn up the image quality which pushes the burden back toward the GPU. If you guys could do some timedemos of real game engines that would be :cool:

*edit* Oh I see your last post now. Do 3.6G please, for two reasons: one, you have a 900MHz gap and two, it's a reasonable speed for people to expect from 'good' C2D overclocks.

[dominick32]

Guys. I have some news so far. It seems to me that Superstar is right about 3dmark05 and its CPU bottleneck. Because my results so far at 2.4 GHz are proving to be very similar in 3dmark06. I will officially publish all of the results tonight but so far I am drawing 2 conclusions:

1. 3dmark05 itself may respond supernaturally (the actual software would bottleneck)to CPU clockspeed increases and shed its found power straight toward the framerates in all tests.

2. 3dmark06 is more suited for this type of testing and it is proving so far, that the new 8800GTX is slightly limited/bottlenecked by the CPU but not as much as I thought based on 3dmark05 results. Also, we are unaware if 3dmark06 is fully utilizing both CPU cores.

You guys will see the results for yourself. But thats what we do here on OCForums. Its all about trial and error.

[MadMan007]

Thanks benchmark monkey, er I mean Dom :o

[krag]

And someone has been talking about SLI :p
Well.. at least krag is going kentfeild right off. :beer:

Yes, I paypal'ed tankguys yesterday for a quad 6700 EX OEM. My 2 8800-GTX are on the UPS truck headed my way. So now all I need is the motherboard. I am holding out for the Asus striker extreme for this setup Anyone see any places that had them in-stock?

[dominick32]

results: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=485898

[Fr3@k3r]

hey dominick32, did you happen to see my reply about testing at 2.2ghz?

edit***

nvm saw you thread at 2.4ghz with the GTX was 14k, where as my 2.2ghz with the GTS was 12k.... :)

[RJARRRPCGP]

Forget about quads. Lets talk about clock speed here and 65nm architecture. In a single thread app or game, such as 3dm05 or "bogo mark" lol, once I upped the cpu clocks over 3.0 GHz, the 3d performance seemed to explode. Would that not indicate that the GPU has plenty of room left in it, simply waiting for more single threaded processing power?

No. That sounds more like the video card making the CPU do functions that
the Radeon X1900XT can do! Sounds like the GeForce 8800s are missing some optimizations or that the drivers are causing some 3D rendering functions to be routed to the CPU!

[krag]

Looky what the UPS man dropped off today!

[dominick32]

Looky what the UPS man dropped off today!

SWEET KRAG!!!
RESULTS????

[Jod]

Looky what the UPS man dropped off today!

Yeah! What is up with that?! I got a green one too...where's the pretty black sticker like on the box?

[RedDragonXXX]

I'm waiting for Kentfeild before I upgrade to any DX10 card cause what would be the point of doing it right now, beside benching :shrug:

But nice results Dominic :thup:

[Dave65]

Hey all,I just got 2 EVGA 7900 GS that I am happy with,but what will I run into with Vista which will be DX10 and Flight Sim X which was made for DX10?
I guess I am asking should I send these back and get one 8800GTS?

[wetheperson]

well, i guess its about time i slap a dual core opty in.

[Neuromancer]

Nice work Dom, and thanks for seperating the GPU scores too :)

I am intrigued by this next gen VGA, although I will probably hold out for the r600, it is nice to know that if I decided to go the sex@h black 8800 that I should not need to upgrade from my 939 platform. Doing so would only effect it by 2-300 points in the GPU scores :)

[Jod]

I'm waiting for Kentfeild before I upgrade to any DX10 card cause what would be the point of doing it right now, beside benching :shrug:

Oh I don't know...Oblvion w/ AA instead of none? Grass slider all the way to the right w/ playable framerates and high minimums? How bout fences that don't move when I move in Battlefield 2142? :santa2: :beer:

[Rattle]

I'm waiting for Kentfeild before I upgrade to any DX10 card cause what would be the point of doing it right now, beside benching :shrug:

But nice results Dominic :thup:


the card have VAST performance increases at high resolution with AA compared to anything thats ever been on the market for DX9, thats the point, point number 2 is dx10 ....

[dominick32]

the card have VAST performance increases at high resolution with AA compared to anything thats ever been on the market for DX9, thats the point, point number 2 is dx10 ....

X2. High Res gaming at Ultra/Max settings is framing (FPS'ing) at the same rate as low res gaming at medium setting on an older non 8800 card. This card is rediculous.

[squads]

prices are down close to $460 on the GTS allready. If they get near $400 I will probably drop my x1900 like its hot and pick one up. I love ATI cards, but they are much more finicky than their Nvidia counterparts. The x1900 causes quite a few weird occurances for me which get on my nerves from time to time.

[Jod]

Like the screen flash when changing 3D settings in 2D windows...or the recentering of the cursor after that? :p

[BigDan3131]

I love this site, if it wasnt for people like Dom and Krag to go out and buy it test it first it would wasting money. People used to look at me the same way when I would spend an easy 5k on a new top-end for my car to go that much faster. Its our hobby that keeps us happy and the spendthrifts who I wont mention gripe at us because we enjoy ourselves doing it.

This would be very boring world if we left everything stock.

[krag]

Thanks for the cudos bros! I haven't' been on lately due to me being very sick. I am starting to feel better now. So I will install my 2nd 8800-gtx and use SLI and post some results here. Although, I don't think they will be to stellar seeing that my CPU is a AMD FX-62.

[Jod]

Although, I don't think they will be to stellar seeing that my CPU is a AMD FX-62.

just saw a post where a link led us to a test w/ AMD vs Intel on the 88. In certain instances, the AMD chip actually bested the Intel setup. It was only "margin of error" leads, but I've found similar results w/ my recent 6400-->6600 setup. So much so, that I'm not going to keep the 4MB cache variant. Sure it's faster in SuperPI, but I'm not a bench junkie and games just don't seem to benefit once all the trix are flipped on.

[MadMan007]

Your 3DM scores will be lower because of the CPU portion of the test. But who plays 3DM? In real games with IQ features turned on I doubt it will matter.

[krag]

Well, one card does 9145 in 3DMark 06. I cannot get SLI enabled on my Asus M2N32-SLI. The SLI selection does not appear in the 97.02 drivers.

[jivetrky]

Can't you select the tests you want to run in the registered versions of 3DMark? How about finding someone with that access and running with the CPU tests just flat turned off. That would settle this whole thing, right?

[Jod]

Well, one card does 9145 in 3DMark 06.

And I bet our shader scores are identical.

SM 2.0 Score 4823 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 4914 Marks

They outta call it "3D/2D Mark 06", eh?

[squads]

Like the screen flash when changing 3D settings in 2D windows...or the recentering of the cursor after that? :p

yeah...sometimes it freezes during the clockswitch as well. And I mean on the downclock switch even :bang head

Furthermore: [commencing rant]

Omega Drivers seem to lack WDM support, which causes weirdness (i.e. my TV tuner card could not display the input source). The alternative - catalyst drivers - are just annoying in general with CCC, which I cannot stand. Nvidia cards generally seem to have more headroom for overclocking as well. [/rant]

[krag]

And I bet our shader scores are identical.

SM 2.0 Score 4823 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 4914 Marks

They outta call it "3D/2D Mark 06", eh?

Welp, here is my most recent 06 single card run. Not quite the same, there is a definite spread with the CPU scores.