Challenge for the avid overclocker

[Joeteck]

**The Overclockers Fan cooling Challenge**

1. You can't use water or any liquid to cool your CPU.
2. You can use as many fans as you like.
3. it must be easy to sell, if someone what's to do the same thing.
4. You must be able to put the side panels on.
5. You can't use peltiers.
6. Any CPU can be used.

7. reply to this post with your numbers & Pictures.

This is my challenge. To me, this is much harder than building a water cooled system, because a H20 system is not practical.

Good luck!

And happy cooling!

-Joeteck


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[Thelemac]

I don't see why a watercooling system isn't practical...really, it can be even more practical than an air cooling system cause you can make one that cools just as well as a windtunnel...but be able to think cause there isn't that much noise. Good for an office environment or something like that.

[Joeteck]

Originally posted by Thelemac
I don't see why a watercooling system isn't practical...really, it can be even more practical than an air cooling system cause you can make one that cools just as well as a windtunnel...but be able to think cause there isn't that much noise. Good for an office environment or something like that.


Thats what I was trying to avoid!

"you can make one that cools just as well as a windtunnel"

By your above statement, It can be done. - THATS THE CHALLENGE!!!

So, I take it you can't do it? Is this to tough for you??

[trey_w]

in my opinion, what you are wanting is not practical

in my opinion it takes more skill when creating watercooling and pelts in a system, with much more benefits and risk

who wants a sytem that sounds like a 747 taking off?

so, you asked Thelemac if he can't do your fan cooled system.

well, my question to you is, do you lack the skill and guts to put together a watercooled system and\or pelts

[Joeteck]

I guess you just don't understand. I'm sorry if I'm over your head on this..

I guess you TOO are not taking the challenge!

So far two people responded with answers that they can't do it.

So if you don't want it to sound like a 747 taking off, use your brain and try something else.


It would be nice to see if someone can come up with a cooling solution EVERYONE can use!

having a cooling system designed for your system only is not practical. Understand now?!?!

Jeez!

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by Joeteck
I guess you just don't understand. I'm sorry if I'm over your head on this..

I guess you TOO are not taking the challenge!

So far two people responded with answers that they can't do it.

So if you don't want it to sound like a 747 taking off, use your brain and try something else.


It would be nice to see if someone can come up with a cooling solution EVERYONE can use!

having a cooling system designed for your system only is not practical. Understand now?!?!

Jeez!

the hole point foe water cooling a cpu is that it is pratical, air cooling had reached the end of its line and improvements in processor speed can now only be made by reducing the micron process and the voltage.

designing a cheep, no-service nessasary watercooling setup is a better idea - a wind tunnel effect is not pratical

[nikhsub1]

Vapochill.

[Mike K]

On my main rig I' m using a Dragon Orb 3, 2 fans-both 80mm, 1 intake, 1 exhaust. Temps: 39C idle, 43 load. Athlon T-bird 1000 @ 1180 running stable but locks up at 1900.
Hope this helps.:eek:

*EDIT* Didn' t change the VCore or anything just the multiplier
Don' t know much about that-could someone please point me to a thread or someplace on the front page that talks about this?:D
thanks

[iggybaseball]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
On my main rig I' m using a Dragon Orb 3, 2 fans-both 80mm, 1 intake, 1 exhaust. Temps: 39C idle, 43 load. Athlon T-bird 1000 @ 1180 running stable but locks up at 1900.
Hope this helps.:eek:

*EDIT* Didn' t change the VCore or anything just the multiplier
Don' t know much about that-could someone please point me to a thread or someplace on the front page that talks about this?:D
thanks

I think it would be impossible to get a tbird from 1000 to 1180 changing only the multiplier. Are you sure u didn't change the fsb up to 118?

[RangerJoe]

my cpu is only using my thermoengine, one 80mm intake on front, one 80 mm exhaust on back, and 92mm on the side blowing over cpu/agp slot

right now its running at 29c and i have seti and prime95 running....mobo is at 22c

but it is also 32 F outside....but still, its 65 F in my house

[Joeteck]

Originally posted by RangerJoe
my cpu is only using my thermoengine, one 80mm intake on front, one 80 mm exhaust on back, and 92mm on the side blowing over cpu/agp slot

right now its running at 29c and i have seti and prime95 running....mobo is at 22c

but it is also 32 F outside....but still, its 65 F in my house

See, someone with FANS! Nice Work!!

What are your 3Dmark 2000 scores?

[funnyperson1]

i have i 80mm intake, 2 PSU fans (one 80, 1 92), 1 Blowhole(120mm Sunon@7volts), 2 side fans (1 80mm, 1 92mm), 2 CpuFans (Dual fan VGSO8H), 50mm fan on video card, 2 50mm harddrive fans....hows that for aircooling???....when my northbridge is at 23C, my cpu while running Toast is 38C, idle 24C.....:p ...aircooling is sufficient for me....for now....until i get an amd (not for long time).....

edit:
while it may take more skill to build a watercooling system, i think this is a good challenge for those who love fans :)....also watercooling can become quite expensive......

[Mike K]

woops:eek:
sorry-shouldn' t have put stable in there-didn' t test it:eek:

[Wicked Klown]

With my Swiftech MC462-BA and two really cheap 80m.m. fans on intake I get 24C idle and about 38-40C.

[mEKbOY]

VAPOCHILL.


Mine keeps my cpu at -10c and is very silent. I dont know if the price falls into practical or the danger it can do to cpu's.:rolleyes:

[nikhsub1]

Well I've got some fans!

4 80mm 50 CFM Sunon intakes (2 in the bottom front, 2 in the floor of the case)
2 80mm 42.5 CFM Exhausts (One top blowhole, one at the back)
2 exhaust fans on the PSU (92mm & 80mm)
1 REALLY LOUD 80 CFM Delta on my Swifty MCX462 (this pic was with the SK6)
1 Fan on the northbridge
1 Fan on the Video card

Case temp is always within 1 degree of ambient

Yes it is loud but it is at my office:D I have a nice little G4 Cube at home - silence :p

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by the overclocker


the hole point foe water cooling a cpu is that it is pratical, air cooling had reached the end of its line and improvements in processor speed can now only be made by reducing the micron process and the voltage.

designing a cheep, no-service nessasary watercooling setup is a better idea - a wind tunnel effect is not pratical
I have to disagree, with the air cooling bit, being at the end of of it's line. The problem is that everone is thinking the same when designing heatsinks. "Put lots of fins on the heatsink, and flow as much air as you can across it". I do however agree with it being more practical to design a cheap no service water-cooled setup though. But seeing as there's more fun in trying out something new, I'm in!

[Thelemac]

Originally posted by Joeteck



Thats what I was trying to avoid!

"you can make one that cools just as well as a windtunnel"

By your above statement, It can be done. - THATS THE CHALLENGE!!!

So, I take it you can't do it? Is this to tough for you??

I fail to understand your logic. I asked how it was that watercooling was not practical. I didn't even mention your challenge.

If you're going to do good aircooling you either going to have to spend a lot on a case, which isn't going to include the cooling...just the holes for it, or cut a bunch of holes in it...neither of which strike me as practical for the average user. You *can* buy water cooling cases for decent prices that *do* include the cooling, and at a decent price.

Maybe we just have different definitions of practical.

If you don't want to be practical about it and want aircooling, go with a Hoot Chute. That's about the most practical extreme aircooling you'll be able to get.

[Oni]

Originally posted by Joeteck
**The Overclockers Fan cooling Challenge**

1. You can't use water or any liquid to cool your CPU.
2. You can use as many fans as you like.
3. it must be easy to sell, if someone what's to do the same thing.
4. You must be able to put the side panels on.
5. You can't use peltiers.
6. Any CPU can be used.

7. reply to this post with your numbers & Pictures.


8088. Small hs, no fans at all. I could sell it to somebody, nostalgics and the like.

[fatshlink]

take your computer, put in a verrry small case and stick it in a minifridg. :beer:

[RangerJoe]

Originally posted by Joeteck


See, someone with FANS! Nice Work!!

What are your 3Dmark 2000 scores?

with 2000 i get 4700 or so, and with 2001, i got 2850

[funnyperson1]

Dude, thats amazing, how do you get 2900 with a Voodoo3???
Guess, an athlon makes any video card look good....

[RangerJoe]

it is overclocked 20 mhz.....i havnt tried to take it farther though.....with the extra overclock, i get 50 extra fps in counterstrike so im happy for the time being....just waiting till christmas when i get my gf3!!!
WOOHOO

[wolfsid]

Originally posted by CrystalMethod

I have to disagree, with the air cooling bit, being at the end of of it's line. The problem is that everyone is thinking the same when designing heatsink. "Put lots of fins on the heatsink, and flow as much air as you can across it". I do however agree with it being more practical to design a cheap no service water-cooled setup though. But seeing as there's more fun in trying out something new, I'm in!


Air cooling is dead for the more then average user, anyone overclocking is going to be going to watercooling or vaporchill or the reason is air just can't cool as quick as U need it too.. No matter what anyone who is doing the fan bit have fun sure but means nothing when watercooling is moving in then after water is vapor chill and kyro... who know what after that but air is done unless U are running a old ass system or your not overclocking U are going to a different source for cooling...


My system
A7a266 xp 1600+ overclocked to 2000+ 13x135fsb stable
gf3 ti 200 overclocked 250/495
watercooled motherboard videocard both 72watt pelters cpu 156 watt
load temp cpu 16c
mb 14c
videocard 15.5 temp prob next to core on cpu and videocard

you can't get that with air I don't care what U do to a fan or heatsink... someone prove me wrong I Dare them..:mad:

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wolfsid



Air cooling is dead for the more then average user, anyone overclocking is going to be going to watercooling or vaporchill or the reason is air just can't cool as quick as U need it too.. No matter what anyone who is doing the fan bit have fun sure but means nothing when watercooling is moving in then after water is vapor chill and kyro... who know what after that but air is done unless U are running a old ass system or your not overclocking U are going to a different source for cooling...


My system
A7a266 xp 1600+ overclocked to 2000+ 13x135fsb stable
gf3 ti 200 overclocked 250/495
watercooled motherboard videocard both 72watt pelters cpu 156 watt
load temp cpu 16c
mb 14c
videocard 15.5 temp prob next to core on cpu and videocard

you can't get that with air I don't care what U do to a fan or heatsink... someone prove me wrong I Dare them..:mad:

this air coooling challenge seems to be much more for us intel people...amd really needs to stop the heat...

[Sonny]

Air Cooling is not dead. Chips are getting better & running cooler, just take a look at the XPs. All details of my cooling are on my sig. You will get better replys if you stopped being rude & with a challenge that has no minimum O/C almost anything will work. I can O/C my chip to 1.2GHz & stay at default voltages & keep reasonable temps with just a CHROME ORB & 1 80mm intake fan in a crappy case. These are my idle temps;

[Sonny]

Make a requirement of a 25% O/C & high voltage. That will help narrow down the succesful attemps. Also take a look at ambient temps. Load temps;

[wolfsid]

Originally posted by sonny
Make a requirement of a 25% O/C & high voltage. That will help narrow down the succesful attemps. Also take a look at ambient temps. Load temps;


If U ask me that is too high of a temp for a processor to run stable at if its stable for you great but i bet U if I had the same chip in my setup i will get alot more out of it then U with the air cooling... Also your cpu wont last too long at the temp certin the life spam of the cpu is decreased but 15% 20 % i may be wrong...

And yes Air cooling is for intel not really amd But the xp's do run cooler. But i rather have a amd Over a intel any day anyone agree with me on that .. Amd is better then intel from my experence and i have 15 computers here 4 intel P2 P3 P4 cyrix the rest are amd Cpus and i think they outperform intel by far in alot of test and for the price U can't really beat that with intel U but a 2.0 from intel and i put it up against my system and My amd will put intel in the dirt...


hack the planet... :burn:

[Joeteck]

Originally posted by sonny
Air Cooling is not dead. Chips are getting better & running cooler, just take a look at the XPs. All details of my cooling are on my sig. You will get better replys if you stopped being rude & with a challenge that has no minimum O/C almost anything will work. I can O/C my chip to 1.2GHz & stay at default voltages & keep reasonable temps with just a CHROME ORB & 1 80mm intake fan in a crappy case. These are my idle temps;

That is what this challenge is about.

To see how much you can get out of your CPU via air cooling. Its a tough challenge for some people. I know I'm going to have fun with it. Currently I have (3) 80MM fans One bottom front, one at the back below the PSU, and one on my HS. I got a 60MM to 80MM converter for more air flow. I'm using the stock HS because its a retail CPU. I'm running at 42C with & without a load. Its about 108F. Its also a XP chip. If I run Bone stock(1.4Ghz) I'm around 98F. Overclocked @ 1575Mhz FSB , 10.5x150. I want to hit 1.6ghz, & I will. I just have to change a few things.

I want to thank everyone for their input on this discussion.

Lets have fun!

*EDIT* Also The Stock fan is now screwed to the side of the heat sink for cross air flow. I will post Pictures soon.
- Joeteck

[Sonny]

Originally posted by wolfsid
If U ask me that is too high of a temp for a processor to run stable at if its stable for you great but i bet U if I had the same chip in my setup i will get alot more out of it then U with the air cooling... Also your cpu wont last too long at the temp certin the life spam of the cpu is decreased but 15% 20 % i may be wrong...

And yes Air cooling is for intel not really amd But the xp's do run cooler. Prime95 Torture Test at 44°C without a problem & that is not stable?:rolleyes: It probably will clock higher if you watercool it & add TECs yes I will not argue that but I am not yet convinced that extreme cooling is for me. Air cooling is not for AMD? There is a very large population that will disagree with you on that. What is an acceptable temp for AIR COOLING? This is a hobby that pushes your hardware to the extreme be it air, watercooling, vapochills or whatever is your poison for cooling so everybody expects a shorter lifespan for their rig.

Originally posted by Joeteck
That is what this challenge is about.

To see how much you can get out of your CPU via air cooling. Its a tough challenge for some people. I know I'm going to have fun with it. I'm using the stock HS because its a retail CPU. How tough is that without a MHz goal or even a certain % of gain? Some chips will O/C more than others because of better stepping. If I had 1.4GHz CPU to start with then I could get higher. Most people try to find the maximum O/C anyways. With vague guidelines you get vague results. Instead of saying MAXIMUM I suggest HIGHEST STABLE OVERCLOCK ON AIR. No logic in using the "stock HS" just because it's a retail CPU. If it burns out on you while O/Cing then you HAVE to buy a new one.

[Joeteck]

With my current configuration (stock HS) there is no need to change it, because all of my numbers are fine.

The reason I did not give a CPU type is because not everyone has the same setup. So this challenge would fit everyone. Not just the selected few with XP chips. I wanted everyone to get involved and set their own goals - Thats the challege.

And yes, using my stock HS is fine. There is no reason to change it. My temps are A-ok. and I happy with what I'm getting, which is 1575Mhz. And thats at the stock Voltage of 1.75. I can run at 10.5x153 but it locks up when I run any heavy graphic app. So if I increase my voltage a bit I may be able to achieve 1600Mhz stable, With my stock HS. I do have a 60MM to 80MM fan converter on that stock HS. I have to get a high CFM 80MM fan to achieve 1600Mhz. and I will. THIS is the best & hardest challenge ever, without a water cooled setup. Which can be risky & exspensive.

- Joeteck

[Navvie]

Originally posted by RangerJoe
it is overclocked 20 mhz.....i havnt tried to take it farther though.....with the extra overclock, i get 50 extra fps in counterstrike so im happy for the time being....just waiting till christmas when i get my gf3!!!
WOOHOO

Got my PCI Voodoo3 3000 clocked to 240mhz (166mhz out of the box)... by attaching an 80mm no-name fan to the standard heatsink with some fairly large bolts... my case also has an 80mm no-name intake fan, 120mm output fan and some diddy little 486 fans on my two CPUs, P2 266 - yes, a new machine is in the works... and I'm only using this as its free :)

This thing is quite loud, but thats mostly due to the 120mm case fan Dell put in these things....

[CrystalMethod]

I don't really think water cooling is all that risky, in light of what we do around here. Everybody around here knows to reaserch what ever they're trying before they go out and do it (or at least I hope you guys and gals are doing your homework before you attempt anything you're new at). I have a bunch of pieces I've been collecting for my water cooling project. The trick to my project is to not spend a cent on it.

[wolfsid]

Originally posted by CrystalMethod
I don't really think water cooling is all that risky, in light of what we do around here. Everybody around here knows to reaserch what ever they're trying before they go out and do it (or at least I hope you guys and gals are doing your homework before you attempt anything you're new at). I have a bunch of pieces I've been collecting for my water cooling project. The trick to my project is to not spend a cent on it.


YOUR VERY CHEAP JUST GO BUY ONE OR MAKE ONE YOUR SELF NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD..... OR IS IT? HACK THE PLANET>> FREE FILES AND COMPUTER SOFTWARE...

Hack the planet..

[GeckoBanzai]

This is a topic near and dear so to speak. I can stably (can run SETI for a couple of hours)oc over 1.6g but the temperature will hover at 54 to 55c. I have had some people say that that is on the high end of acceptable because AMD is kinda hazy on the topic. Their website says 60c it should run stable but that seems 15c too high. With the oc I run at 49 to 51c. W/O doing any case mods. I have a 80mm on the front and another blowing out at the top back. I have room for a small fan right by the cpu but no fan in it (though that will be changed in the near future). The cpu has a no-name aluminum hs and a larger fan. I will change those in the future too.

I like the whole debate (so to speak) about cost efficiencies because as the chips get faster and more powerful they are going to get hotter and I think in a decade desktop cpus will probably no longer be aircooled at all. But for now I want to go with the most economical method that will get mo' speed. :-)

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by wolfsid



YOUR VERY CHEAP JUST GO BUY ONE OR MAKE ONE YOUR SELF NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD..... OR IS IT? HACK THE PLANET>> FREE FILES AND COMPUTER SOFTWARE...

Hack the planet..
Canadian Tire money baby! Gotta love it! I case any of ya'll Americans aren't familliar with Canadian tire alredy, it's a store like a cross between PEP Boys, Sears, and Home Depot. But the big bonus to the store is that when you pay for stuff with cash, or debit card, you recieve "Canadian Tire Money". It's equates to getting back what the federal government takes from you in sales tax, but only redeemable in Canadian Tire stores. I have a wad of Canadian tire money just collecting because although I no longer work as a mechanic by profession, I do buy a lot of tools and parts there. Hence I have been collecting a lot of their money to throw into my water cooling project. The things I'm going to have to have problems with are the powersupply, CD-Rom, and floppy. I already have a spare MB, a sort of screwed up HDD (will only be recognized as a master drive, with nothing else on the same IDE cable), memory in abundance (I bought early when prices were at $48 for 256Megs, then they fell to $28 for the same and I forgot to buy, now they're at $48 again...), My Celeron 400 I'll donate to the cause because I wanna upgrade my main rig to a 1.2, A case I managed to score outta our RMA dept. at work because the client's PSU who had it, caught fire and left some nasty black burn marks on the case (gonna mod and paint it anyways, so I really don't care). But aside from that, I'm looking into what I can do for a water block. Bunch of great designs on the site. I'll start a thread on the project as soon as I get a cam, and the majority of the remaining parts. Donations to the cause will be accepted in the form of an ATX PSU, CD-Rom, and floppy drive...
:D
..And yes there's lot's of stuff for free in this world, you just have to know where to look. People's kindness and generosity is more abundant than most of us think.

[Mike K]

how can you buy a water cooling setup with tire money?

[eh?]

Originally posted by wolfsid



YOUR VERY CHEAP JUST GO BUY ONE OR MAKE ONE YOUR SELF NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD..... OR IS IT? HACK THE PLANET>> FREE FILES AND COMPUTER SOFTWARE...

Hack the planet..
What are you talking about?

[WyrmMaster]

How about mine. Glaciator HSF, and two 120mm panaflow's @ 7v. Its pretty quiet, and very cool, especially with the carpet pad i glued to this side panels.

Sorry no pics:(

[Holst]

Does my setup qualify for your "chalenge"

Its certainly cheap.

Im currently running a Taisol 760 with a sunon 120mmfan and a homemade cardboard and tape fan adaptor. The fan is on a rheostat and is quiet enough (my IBM HDD is noisyer)
Load temp running foldin@home is 35*c

This is all on a duron 800@1044
If i turn the fan upto full power it will run at 30*c @ 1100 but its too loud for me.

This setup is just a stop-gap for a few weeks untill i finish my watercooling. The only real money i will spend will be £50 on a pump. Ive allready made a huge copper radiator and a cool perspex res (so i can see the water level). Im going to make the copper waterblock over this weekend.
Watercooling can be cheap and simple if your willing to put in a little though and effort. Anybody who has access to a school "wood/metaworking" department could make one of these with a little help.

[adamtekh]

with case temps around 18 ( window open brrr ) i get about 41 @ full load and 38 idel

this is with a crappy heatsink , and nothing over 80 mm

very loud , im going to do a duct from the side soon , just need to cut a hole for a 92 mm fan over the cpu :eh?:

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
how can you buy a water cooling setup with tire money?
Imagine getting a store credit for all the tax the government charges you. Now imaginge that you can spend that cash on hardware, tools, or anything in the store for that matter (keep in mind the store is like a cross between PEP Boys, Sears, and Home Depot). All the hosing I need comes from the plumbing or automotive section, the material for the waterblock will come from the hardware section. The pump I have yet to figure out. there's no "pet" or "animal care" part of the store yet, and all the other pumps I've seen there are the HIGH volume type. Might have to improvise...

[RoadWarrior]

Heh heh heh, I just last weekend bought some brass nipples and other bits at Canadian Tire for my project, with canadian tyre money too. I was also looking round for a pump, I figure they put the pond pumps and outdoor fountain pumps away at this time of year though.


Oh if we're playing by percentages, I'll claim an 82% and a 71%, aircooled. Guess the CPUs..... :p

Road Warrior

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
On my main rig I' m using a Dragon Orb 3, 2 fans-both 80mm, 1 intake, 1 exhaust. Temps: 39C idle, 43 load. Athlon T-bird 1000 @ 1180 running stable but locks up at 1900.
Hope this helps.:eek:

*EDIT* Didn' t change the VCore or anything just the multiplier
Don' t know much about that-could someone please point me to a thread or someplace on the front page that talks about this?:D
thanks


What board ya got?
What do you mean 1900? I thought u have a 1000?

Up the Vcore by going into BIOS (hit del key as soon as PC turns on) go to Frequency/Voltage menu (similair) up the Vcore.

Post this in AMD Cpu's.

[Mike K]

I don' t really understand what the V Core does
I tried changing it (+0.025 or som # like that) and all it did was make the cpu a litter hotter
What can changing the V-Core do?
I have a Shuttle AK11 mobo

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
I don' t really understand what the V Core does
I tried changing it (+0.025 or som # like that) and all it did was make the cpu a litter hotter
What can changing the V-Core do?
I have a Shuttle AK11 mobo

many atimes when the chip is unstable, and temps are god the vcore upping will stabalze it...

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
I don' t really understand what the V Core does
I tried changing it (+0.025 or som # like that) and all it did was make the cpu a litter hotter
What can changing the V-Core do?
I have a Shuttle AK11 mobo ]


The more you overclock the higher the Vcore will need to be, same with your memory, the higher the FSB the higher the Voltage.

Oc till your CPU is unstable then up the VCore till its stable, keep doing this until the VCore is at its max or the CPU is unstable regardless.

It will get hotter as more heat will be made (Higher Mhz+VCore=Higher watts=Heat.)

Just keep an eye on your temps, the blowing point is 90C and the unstable point is 55+C, if your in the 30's/40's @ max load your ok.

Test stability by running 3DMark2k Over and over (continous loop for about 3hours or overnight).

When you find the limit for the CPU heat/not enough voltage/can't oc more then down the Multiplier and up the FSB.
The FSB will make everything (sound card etc) faster, so running say 133*7.5 = 1000 is faster than 10*100=1000.
You won't need to cool your cards so don't worry but you might need to up the voltage to the mem (3V is ok if it will go that high) to attain stability.

Find the max FSB you can get then up the multiplier so you get the highest CPU speed wif da highest FSB as it will be faster!!!

Look for guides on the homepage or ask around in AMD Motherboards / AMD Cpu's.....

Good Luck,

Nick:cool:


P.S. Need any help then ask me!!!!!!

[Mike K]

how do you change the fsb?

[iggybaseball]

Originally posted by m_mike_k
how do you change the fsb?

u change the fsb usuall in the motherboard. Sometimes u change it with jumpers on the mb. U change the multiplier on the cpu by connecting the L1 bridges with either defrogger paint, pencil lead, trace tape, etc.

[Maximus Nickus]

Go into the BIOS, then look for a menu called CPU/Frequency settings and go into it, then select CPU frequency, (its a 3 digit number ie: 133)
Higher = More mhz!

There might also be an option called CPU Multiplier or clock, (2 digit ie: 7.5 or 10).

If you can change it then you need to unlock the CPU! Do this by Penciling the bridges.

[adamtekh]

does any one know how to change the multi with the A7A266? , i tried the pencil trick but its still greyed in

[Maximus Nickus]

You have to put quite a thick coat an make sure the parrallel bridges don't come in contact and short out.

If your sure you've done it correctly (doesn't look like you have, you have to do it with a very hard pencil thats very sharp for each and you have to completly cover the metal of the L1's) and it still doesn't work, then download a bios update.

Good Luck

Nick :D

[Wicked Klown]

Originally posted by iggybaseball


I think it would be impossible to get a tbird from 1000 to 1180 changing only the multiplier. Are you sure u didn't change the fsb up to 118?


Why I can get my 1.1 up to 1.2 with only using the multiplier. The weird thing tho is I have a 1.1 and the stock settings are 100f.s.b. and a multiplier of 10.5 so I'm running at 1050. The cool thing is I have an unlocked T-Bird.

[Maximus Nickus]

My 1000 went to 1300 on either the FSN or multiplier @ default vcore, max I can get it is 1386 @ 1.85V, maybe watercooling and a volt mod would help, oh well im gettin a 1900+ so...

[Stone[OC]]

Why should we invest in a system that will make so much noise that we could not sleep at night...

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by Stone[OC]
Why should we invest in a system that will make so much noise that we could not sleep at night...

Because...


WERE OVERCLOCKERS!!!!!!!!! #

Booya!

[mcvan]

Here's a twist: my non-overclocked but virtually silent air-cooled solution...

A Swiftech 462 on a 1G T-bird at reduced core voltage of 1.55V. The fan is a 92mm that was the inner 2nd fan on the Enermax 350W PSU, running at 5V off a 4-pin connector. It is suspended over the Swiftech much like the fans for the Zalman flower heatsinks. Hot-glued securely to a PCI slot cover (off the case), which is decouple-mounted to the back panel with rubber grommets & a single screw/nut. No bad vibes, and fan is easily aimed.

There is enough airflow from the fan that I removed the tiny but whiny fan off the mobo chip on the Abit KT7A-Raid with no ill effects.

CPU temps are 36-38C light use; 10C higher in heavy use.

The fan is completely inaudible with the PC case closed. Fan specs:

2000 RPM with 41.71 CFM @ 25 dBA
2500 RPM with 52.25 CFM @ 32.8 dBA (max speed at 12V)

My guess is that it's running at 1000-1200 rpm, and still blows 30 cfm or so, with noise under 20 dBA.

There is also one no-name 80mm front case fan decouple-mounted in a foam sponge (with a hole cut in the middle), then wedged in place. Runs silently at 5V. All fan openings in the case have been enlarged, and any "grill" removed for improved airflow & reduced turbulence noise.

I just replaced my IBM 75GXP HD with new Seagate Barracuda IV -- they are completely silent with case closed. No hum, no whine, even seek noise is just barely audible.

The noisiest thing in my PC is the stock Enermax 80mm fan running at 1700 rpm, which I plan to replace with a 21dBA, 24cfm PANAFLO. Then, I think this PC will be completely inaudible under my desk, and it will be time to work on my backup...

PS -- I played with this T-bird at 800 to 1200 MHz and found the change to either extreme from 1GHz was pretty much unnoticeable. Going from 800 to 1200, yeah, I noticed some change there. But the days of "REAL-LIFE" gains from overclocking are gone for me -- probably since I hit 800 MHz & 512mb SDRAM with my old P3-550. Almost any current CPU is fast enough for, the video cards are what really make any difference.

[Stone[OC]]

If we are OVERCLOAKER, this is why we make nice WATER COOLING set up

[ChazFx]

My cooling is all fans. Stock Intel HSF on CPU, (researching (read: dont know anything about it but trying to find out) the pencil trick though)...
1 x 80mm intake fan at the bottom from of my case
1 x 80mm intake fan in case side blowing over CPU/AGP
and the PSU fan as my exhaust.

lapping of CPU + HS is in progress, shiney, oh so shiney... not to mention the ceramique...

[ShaDrag]

If you wanted aircooling thats pushing the limits, you probably should have asked for aircooling mods that people have done. Most aircooling is just get a hsf, stick it on, and youre done.

Alot of chips lately seem to get a very good oc on air and the addition of water is not extrodinary. You also have to remember that watercooling is essentially just complicated air cooling, and phase-change even more so.

If you like air then go with it. To me it doesn't matter what chip I am cooling or what cooling Im using, its all fun to mod.

[CrystalMethod]

Oh my! This is an old thread.