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I'm in a bit of a disagreement with the post on the main page regarding the date of manufacture code on these cards. I don't think the 'N11071' number is the correct one to be looking at. Every card I've seen has the same number on the PCB.
Attached is a picture of two stickers found on the back of my card. I believe that the four digit number under "SN#" may actually be the date of manufacture code -- week 45 of 2001.
I haven't removed my RAM heatsinks to see what's underneath, but I've reached 225/515 so far with my card and my friend who bought his card from the same store at the same time I did has also reached this speed so far.
Could some of you guys post the numbers from your cards and your overclocking successes/failures as well as the speed and type of RAM on your card if you have removed your RAM heatsinks?
http://www.ameritech.net/users/pecos1/pics_014.jpg
Superman53142
11-28-01, 09:56 PM
4501 on mine too. I'm at 235/530.
My friend says that his card has 4401 on it... His was able to reach the same speeds as mine, but neither of us have pushed them or removed the heatsinks...
The one from HardOCP's VisionTek Gaming Lineup (http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/vidcards/visiontek/ti/) has a code of 3801 and the reviewer said that anything over 460MHz for memory was not stable -- not even 465MHz.
Hey Pecos!:D
Yeah I got a N11071/4401 card. I wish I could up the core speed more but 225/515 is pretty good for a BB special!
Core speed is unstable at 230 but I'm sure the memory could go higher. The mem heatsinks barely get warm after some gaming for 3 hours.
Update
At 230/525 everything is running great! At 240/525 my system locked up big time. I think I can live with that!
FiL
It's strange that I couldn't hit 230 before. I guess I'm breaking her in.:)
riprock
11-29-01, 12:16 PM
Mine is 4201. It's stable at 220/460... however, that's on an OCed system.
With all the stuff on my sys, AND with it OCed, my vid card may be able to go higher if I lowered it and removed all my cards.
P3V4X
2 sticks PC100 RAM
C900 @ 1044 (FSB 116)
Air cooled
Nic
Sound card
i have had _no_ success overclocking mine. i started by running it at 200/460 and after gaming an hour or so my system locked up. i tried other lower speeds and the same thing happened, with the textures becoming weird for a while before it freezing. after playing quake 3 for an hour and a half with it overclocked to a measly 185/420 the textures started acting up, which had happened before my system froze last time so i stopped and lowered it down to normal.
any ideas of what could be wrong? i dont think it's just that i got a rotten one.
(possibly relevant) system information:
kt133 with via 4.34 drivers
windows 2000 sp2
directx 8/8.1 (i upgraded it and still experienced troubles)
duron 700@700
limited system cooling?
Originally posted by vexing
i have had _no_ success overclocking mine. i started by running it at 200/460 and after gaming an hour or so my system locked up. i tried other lower speeds and the same thing happened, with the textures becoming weird for a while before it freezing. after playing quake 3 for an hour and a half with it overclocked to a measly 185/420 the textures started acting up, which had happened before my system froze last time so i stopped and lowered it down to normal.
any ideas of what could be wrong? i dont think it's just that i got a rotten one.
(possibly relevant) system information:
kt133 with via 4.34 drivers
windows 2000 sp2
directx 8/8.1 (i upgraded it and still experienced troubles)
duron 700@700
limited system cooling?
Your last line may say it all!!
Load up Motherboard Monitor (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/) to check your system temps.
Also, what's the 4 digit code (as the first post in the thread shows) of your card?? Going by the early results, it looks like people that have codes prior to 4301 are not having the same luck as the ones with cards coded 4301 and later....
Mine has a date of 3801 and the best I can do is 215/460.
Well, mine shows 4401, for the 44th week of 2001 if this is true...
It's overclocked to 255/555 at the moment, without any artifacting.
What an amazing card!
I'm running the 21.88 Detonators, won't work with any of the 22.XX or new 23.XX detonators - get a black screen just before the desktop loads, and it locks up...
But it is blazing on those 21.88's!
:cool:
4301
215/515
22.50 drivers
220/520 is possible with no artifacting but screen will black out after running a few loops of 3Dmark2K1 :(
Originally posted by riprock
Mine is 4201. It's stable at 220/460... however, that's on an OCed system.
With all the stuff on my sys, AND with it OCed, my vid card may be able to go higher if I lowered it and removed all my cards.
P3V4X
2 sticks PC100 RAM
C900 @ 1044 (FSB 116)
Air cooled
Nic
Sound card
Me too. I am at 220/460 and 4201 is my date. actually I am at 210/470 but I have too many artifacts playing Max Payne. I am running the 22.80 drivers.
Irascible
11-29-01, 07:50 PM
date code: 4401
It ran perfectly through a series of bencmarks at 250/500.
I ran screaming like a little girl at the notion of pushing it further.
In fact, I was too yellow to leave it there.
I left it at 200/460 since then with no problems.
fiveohhh
11-29-01, 09:12 PM
Mines at 4201, and I can't seem to get over 220 445, without artifacting. Gonna see if BB has some more in and go and exchange mine as it seems that the later dates are doing over 500. I'll post when I get the new card, should be either friday or satturday
Guys, if that picture of the back of my video card in the initial post up top doesn't open, it's due to my crappy ISP, Ameritech.net...
Even THEIR home page isn't displaying right now!!
Guess that shows how good their Nutscrape http server is!
mine is 4401. got home, tested it running a few hours of quake3 while chasing a bot, and it froze up again. i dont know exactly how long it took, i was out when it froze. the temperatures mbm 5 shows are 48, 30, 25. what are yours like?
the situation where it only seems to get bad after a while does seem like it could be overheating, but at the same time i don't think the temps my case are so terrible that it should still lock up even though i'm not overclocking :/
i'm gonna update my mobos bios to the latest, maybe grab the latest 4in1s and the new agp driver.
Just got done running my "4501" card at 240/515 through a 3DMark2001 test. Scored a 5070...
Looks like I've got some more room! Think I'll lower the core a bit and run a looping test for the evening as a burn in.
Vexing-
I would think that the 48 is your CPU temp... that seems abit high to me for a Duron @ 700MHz... My P3-1000 @ 1.333GHz runs a degree or two cooler and full load which is still too hot for my taste, but I've had less than stellar luck at lowering the temp.
It does seem like an overheating issue since you are getting some gameplay out of it. Is the 30C your case/mobo temp? You could probably use some better airflow through your case.
Good luck!
Well, what do you know, I just tested another Ti200 with 4401 production date and it is stable at 230/540. I think they must have switched to faster memory chips in week 43.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo! I have week 42!!! for 99dollars I could ebay it and get another but darnit.
cadjack
11-30-01, 09:42 AM
The 6564 used for my review at 3DGPU (http://www.3dgpu.com/reviews/xtasy200-1.cfm) was a 3801 also. Same deal, solid at 220/460, flaky at 230/470 and above. AGP's at 83.
Seems to me there were a couple of early reviews that hit 500 mem clock, I'm going to check around.
Edit: The reviews I was thinking of were x-bit labs and 3D Pulpit, but it was the 250 core speed they attained that were memorable. They used 3801's and only hit 460 mem speed.
Slickone
11-30-01, 01:46 PM
To sum it up so far:
-225/515 (4501)
-235/530 (4501)
-230/525 (4401)
-220/460 (4201)
-215/460 (3801)
-255/555 (4401), 21.88
-215/515 (4301), 22.50
-220/460 (4201), 22.80
-250/500 (4401)
-220/445 (4201)
-240/515 (4501)
-230/540 (4401)
-220/460 (3801)
Originally posted by Slickone
To sum it up so far:
-225/515 (4501)
-235/530 (4501)
-230/525 (4401)
-220/460 (4201)
-215/460 (3801)
-255/555 (4401), 21.88
-215/515 (4301), 22.50
-220/460 (4201), 22.80
-250/500 (4401)
-220/445 (4201)
-240/515 (4501)
-230/540 (4401)
-220/460 (3801)
Definitely looks like a pattern to me! :D
The front page won't load for me at the moment, but I'm really interested to see if Ed's e-mail results are going to fall in line with what we've seen here in this little cross sample.
I have a friend who has a card I might try to trade for a 45/01 and say I just want to test it and then return my card to him! That would be mean but I gotta get at week 44 or 45.
Originally posted by el
I have a friend who has a card I might try to trade for a 45/01 and say I just want to test it and then return my card to him! That would be mean but I gotta get at week 44 or 45.
Ha ha!!! I love it!! Taking advantage of the ignorants!! I won't say anything if you won't!! :beer:
Just got backfrom shopping around Ottawa (Canada, eh!) and the local FutureShop had the Xtasy 6564 (G3 Ti200) in stock with BIG silver stickers on the front proclaiming : NOW AT 250 MHz . Got to be the core speed right ? They always refer to the memory speed as being 2X the clock because its DDR. So it looks like the G3 Ti200 has had its core speed bumped up to 250 MHz !
SKV
No way are you sure that wasn't the g2 at those speeds? all the boxes look the same and I can't believe it would be clocked at the Ti 500 level.
I had the box in my hands. Why I let it go .... ? Definitely said Xtasy 6564 not 5864. Going back tomorrow on a mission to buy.
man I wish I didn't send in my rebate already now I can't just exchange my card. I am going to send a letter to visiontek asking for the upgraded card. maybe that is why BB had the 99dollar deal.
Yeah, but now you've got me doubting. I mean when I was looking at the box I didn't know that the G3Ti200 cores were only at 175 MHz. If I did, I would've bought the card right then and there. But 250 ? That is more than the G3Ti500 (240 MHz). So maybe the 250 sticker refers to the memory clock rate after all because if they were going to raise the Ti200 core that much, then the Ti500 should also be getting some kind of a spec boost too. Right ? This whole thing is weird. Either it's great news or I'm wrong. Let you know tomorrow. BTW price here is $329 (Canadian) which is about $203 US. 250 MHz can't be right. But I saw it.
Maybe 250MHz is Canadian for US 175MHz!!
Me thinks I'll have another bier!!:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
BrainStorm
11-30-01, 10:21 PM
Mine's a 4201 and I can only get 220/425 before getting some visual artifacting in 3DMark 2001. One of the ramsinks is very crappily installed, so if I corrected it, it looks like 460 is the best I'd get anyway. DAMN
Good one Pecos ! Though at the current exchange rate 250 Cdn = 155US. Damn.
Well, the 250 must be the memory clock speed, as I see on the Gainward site that they now mention "ultra fast DDR" and 4ns DDR RAM. This must be it. Sorry for the confusion.
I saw a similar sticker but it was on the G2 Ti cards, maybe you are mistaken.
Originally posted by Pecos
Maybe 250MHz is Canadian for US 175MHz!!
Me thinks I'll have another bier!!:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
LMAO
jstnomega
12-01-01, 04:01 PM
el said, "I have a friend who has a card I might try to trade for a 45/01 and say I just want to test it and then return my card to him! That would be mean but I gotta get at week 44 or 45."
el, Major props for style points! If you are a young person, you should oughta become a plaintiff attorney. They're always lookin' for a few more good crooks. (I aint sending you my BB deal stickered 4401 for no testing either!)
I went back to the FutureShop store and yes the "Now 250 MHz Processor" sticker was on the Xtasy 6564 (G3Ti200) . In fact I'm looking at it right now because I bought it. Emo is right, I did see it on the 5864 (G2Ti) boxes as well. That is so weird. Again, I agree that this would make more sense on the 5864 or if it referred to the memory clock speed. Still, here it is. All of the 6564 boxes at this store had these stickers and they are under the shrinkwrap. All of the Xtasy boxes have very similar artwork, with only minor differences in colour of the raised hands in the portrayed crowds (5864=orange hands, 6564=red hands). The store staff insisted that the stickers were placed by Visiontek. Maybe the boxes are so similar that Visiontek screwed up.
If you guys want pictures, I can scan the box to show the sticker, if I had somewhere to post the jpg. I'll get the board date from the sticker. If it really is a 250 MHz core, I'll check the codes on the GPU later.
Well, one way to find out: rip out my MSI Geforce2 Pro and pop in this mysterious new one. The staff guaranteed that if it did not have a 250 MHz core, I could return it for a full refund. I'm expecting to be disapointed, but here goes.
Originally posted by SKV
I went back to the FutureShop store and yes the "Now 250 MHz Processor" sticker was on the Xtasy 6564 (G3Ti200) . In fact I'm looking at it right now because I bought it. Emo is right, I did see it on the 5864 (G2Ti) boxes as well. That is so weird. Again, I agree that this would make more sense on the 5864 or if it referred to the memory clock speed. Still, here it is. All of the 6564 boxes at this store had these stickers and they are under the shrinkwrap. All of the Xtasy boxes have very similar artwork, with only minor differences in colour of the raised hands in the portrayed crowds (5864=orange hands, 6564=red hands). The store staff insisted that the stickers were placed by Visiontek. Maybe the boxes are so similar that Visiontek screwed up.
If you guys want pictures, I can scan the box to show the sticker, if I had somewhere to post the jpg. I'll get the board date from the sticker. If it really is a 250 MHz core, I'll check the codes on the GPU later.
Well, one way to find out: rip out my MSI Geforce2 Pro and pop in this mysterious new one. The staff guaranteed that if it did not have a 250 MHz core, I could return it for a full refund. I'm expecting to be disapointed, but here goes. Well, I for one would like to see a picture! [This way I'll know what to look for myself.] I hope it IS a 250MHz! Heck, that would be Ti500 speed, right?
I scored a $99 Visiontek gF3 Ti200 at Best Buy. I just opened it up (after reading this thread) and WHOO - HOOOOO! it's a 4501! Now I have to get all the rest of my system together to try it all out! Unfortunately, I won't be able to put it together until after I get moved (early January 2002, probably). I hate having to be that patient...
Where can I post the jpg (the actual file) so that it can appear in this forum ?
The sticker is silver and located in the lower left corner of the box, rught to the right ov the Visiontek 'V' logo. The lettering ("NOW 250MHz Processor!") is in red lettering and on three lines. the third line ("Processor!") is about half the size of the first two.
A picture would be better. Tell me how and it'll be here.
When you post to a thread, notice the "Attach file:" box located under "Options:" directly below where you are typing your message. Press the "Browse..." button and a dialog will pop up allowing you to choose your picture file.
Thanks ! Here's the box :
I don't understand why you are staring at stickers that much. Fire it up and see if it runs at 250Mhz+! :)
Thanks ! BTW the date on the SN sticker is 4301. Not so new right ? Also, as you might guess by the other sticker, the manual is in French first, then in English. I scanned the box on my flat bed scanner. There is a seam in the image because I had to scan the box in two passes due to its size, then combine the two images into one just using MS Paint. Hence the visible seam. Anyway here's the front of the box:
Here's a scan of as much of the box as I can fit in one scan:
Okay Emo ! I'm as anxious as you are. Here's one more scan of as much of the box as I can fit on my scanner:
Well I believe you 100%! I hate everyone with a 4501! ;) j/k I think you guys are so lucky! I am just jealous.
Also I tried to trade him a v5 5000 and a 60gig HD and he wouldn't do it! I was the one who got him the card anyhow. I won't steal his card but I sure am tempted to switch cards if he has a 4501.
Sorry for the multiple posts above. Can the administrator of this forum please remove the duplicates ? Just did some 3DMark2001 benchmarking of my current G2Pro and installed the NvMax utility. Time to put in the new Xtasy 6564. Let you know soon !
That 250 MHz sticker is wrong. Short and sweet. After installing the Xtasy 6564 and the 21.83 drivers under Windows XP, I also installed NVMax to tweak the card and the clock rates. The default rate is exactly like it should be : core=175, memory=400. But how high could it go ?
I used a small program called ArtifactTester 2.0 to tell me if certain clock speeds were even possible. It does not run for long, so the core and memory don't get very hot, but I was quickly able to get a core limit of 245 MHz and a memory limit of 550 MHz. Attached is the results when I tried core=250, memory=501. Hold on though. Remember this program runs for less than 30 seconds, so it's not the final answer.
Since I've just reinstalled everything as part of my move to XP, I don't have Quake3 or any other game installed. So instead I used 3DMark2001 to really test these clock rates. Starting with the default memory rate of 400, I tried various core speeds. At core speeds of 245,240, and even 230 MHz, 3dMark2001 would crash during the first game. Definitely not a 250MHz processor as the box sticker claimed. A core speed of 225 was able to run the benchmarks completely. Further testing has found that the maximum memory limit is also less than the quick testing with ArtifactTester 2.0 suggested, for the same reason. A memory speed of 540 failed in the second car game. I did complete the entire 3DMark2001 benchmark 3 times at core=225, memory=501.
From these results it is clear that while improved cooling of the GPU may increase the clock speed limit, it is definitely not a 250 MHz core. This figure may be attributed to the memory though.
SKV, I think in any case you've got some damn good ammunition to probably be able to get yourself a Ti500 from whomever the dumbass was that applied those stickers onto those boxes!!
That is definitely false product advertising.... (even in Canada, eh!?) :)
Go give em hell.
I am running Artifact tester 5 and got 0 artifacts at 210/470. were did you get artifact tester 2.0
link for artifact tester 5 http://www.pchardware.ro/Download/utils.php?catid=5&ord=3
Myself and I
12-02-01, 03:15 PM
Ok i got the same card at best buy the day after thanksgiving .
I used articfact tester 5.0 on averege and intense mood and i get 0 artifacts in both.
The current speed i tested it in was
245/495
Anything over 247\497 gives me problems
i think its due to not enough voltage in the video card or the bios wont let me exceed past a certain stable limit .
well any links to volt mods for a Ti 200.
You can change the AGP driving control in the bios from the default "DA" to "EA" but do it at your own risk.
strange things happening here.
my system still locks up, REGARDLESS of the speeds i'm running the card at. i updated everything i could think of. now it doesn't freeze so often, instead i generally just get this error:
quake3.exe - Application Error : The instruction at "0x69510047" referenced memory at "0xffffffff". The memory could not be "read".
and then the program exits. the location of the instruction and memory referenced both vary each time. i would assume this is the problem that causes my computer to freeze as well, or they are related.
i am running my _beautiful_ card at 220/500 at the moment.
i'm going to do a clean install of windows xp relatively soon, so hopefully that will get rid of this problem. if it doesn't, i would assume it is just bios related, and will fiddle with those settings until i get it fixed.
Myself and I
12-03-01, 12:20 AM
anything over 495 your looking for trouble
It seems like the consensus is that card with a 4400+ date have faster ram than the older ones right?
What I want to know is whether anyone who's getting these 490+ memory speeds actually popped off one of the ram-sinks and taken a look at the chip? I want to know if the ram chip has a -4 designation on it, rather than the -5 that my old card ( 42xx) has (I've since exchanged it for a new one; I told them the ram sink fell off ;-p ).
My new card is a 4501, and I don't want to remove the sinks just yet until I find a good replacement for them. Can anyone confirm the 4ns marking on the newer/faster cards?
-Ace-
kaikara
12-03-01, 09:32 AM
I got the same box with the 250 mhz sticker on it even though it was a ti200 running at 175mhz. I emailed them about this and they said a batch went out with the sticker accidently applied to the ti200. I emailed back hinting that i thought I was getting something else when i purchased it and was unhappy. The email was being forwared to someone else at visiontek so i will see how it goes.
kaikara
Originally posted by SKV
That 250 MHz sticker is wrong. Short and sweet. After installing the Xtasy 6564 and the 21.83 drivers under Windows XP, I also installed NVMax to tweak the card and the clock rates. The default rate is exactly like it should be : core=175, memory=400. But how high could it go ?
I used a small program called ArtifactTester 2.0 to tell me if certain clock speeds were even possible. It does not run for long, so the core and memory don't get very hot, but I was quickly able to get a core limit of 245 MHz and a memory limit of 550 MHz. Attached is the results when I tried core=250, memory=501. Hold on though. Remember this program runs for less than 30 seconds, so it's not the final answer.
Since I've just reinstalled everything as part of my move to XP, I don't have Quake3 or any other game installed. So instead I used 3DMark2001 to really test these clock rates. Starting with the default memory rate of 400, I tried various core speeds. At core speeds of 245,240, and even 230 MHz, 3dMark2001 would crash during the first game. Definitely not a 250MHz processor as the box sticker claimed. A core speed of 225 was able to run the benchmarks completely. Further testing has found that the maximum memory limit is also less than the quick testing with ArtifactTester 2.0 suggested, for the same reason. A memory speed of 540 failed in the second car game. I did complete the entire 3DMark2001 benchmark 3 times at core=225, memory=501.
From these results it is clear that while improved cooling of the GPU may increase the clock speed limit, it is definitely not a 250 MHz core. This figure may be attributed to the memory though.
I am going to be crying if you guys get Ti500's for 99dollars! tears of joy of course.
Kyle Bennett of HardOCP has contacts with Visiontek and received the following statement about the "NOW 250MHz Processor!" stickers on their Xtasy 6564 boxes:
There was a minor labeling issue in our warehouse, where a minimal amount of Xtasy 6564's were incorrectly stickered with "Now 250Mhz". This sticker was for the Xtasy 5864 product boxes only. VisionTek regrets the error.
So there you have it. A mistake.
Bah, they should be made to pay for their "mistake". A truly respectful company would make good on their mistake...
and go out of business. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
-Exi|e-
12-03-01, 11:51 PM
Mine also had the 250Mhz processor sticker on it. I actually thought they made the Ti200 at 250 core... you never know. Anyway i got screwed and this IS false advertising and im probly to lazy to do anything about it:D I bought mine at FutureShop here in Canada. Its a 4301 and got 245/490 out of it, probly could get a bit higher on the core but didnt try. Anything higher than 490 memory creates artifacts....oh well:rolleyes:
kaikara
12-04-01, 07:52 AM
I agree. people may have bought it not knowing what it was. I actually ordered mine online and received with the sticker like that. But if purchased in a store I may have been confused and bought the wrong one if i was less knowledgeable. I have an email into the sales department and I will see what they say. If there is the possibility that I can get a TI500 out of it then i am going to go for it.
Originally posted by Pecos
Bah, they should be made to pay for their "mistake". A truly respectful company would make good on their mistake...
Neptune
12-04-01, 09:55 AM
I just got my Visiontek Ti 200 GF3 as well
Back sticker says 4401
Memory Chips are:
EM658160TS-5
EntronTech
Modules
Btw, i recommend you guyz pop off the ramsinks and cooler. The ramsinks look like they were attached with elmers glue, and the cooler just has some weird stuff between it.... time to bust out the AS.
el nica
12-04-01, 10:46 AM
After browsing through all of the response with regard to this thread, I decided to go home and check the serial number on my two VISIONTEK cards I got at BB...Guess what? first one serial is 4501 and the second one is 4401....Did I hit the lotto or what?
Will try tonight to find out how good of O/C these cards are..
Thanks,
:p
fiveohhh
12-04-01, 06:47 PM
I just returned mine to best buy for a new one, since it seemed the newer ones were having better luck and b4 i got 220/440, now I'm at 235 501, might do more, but don't have the time to test it atm.
-Exi|e-
12-04-01, 11:32 PM
Mine's a 4301 and i can get 250/500 easy with it.
Neptune
12-04-01, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by -Exi|e-
Mine's a 4301 and i can get 250/500 easy with it.
That's good to hear :-)
Have you taken off your ramsinks to check the modules? If not, do you think you could sometime for us?
-Exi|e-
12-05-01, 12:49 AM
I would but unfortunatly i dont have a camera to take the pictures, but i figure the RAM chips are at least 4ns because 3.6ns chips are rated at 550Mhz, so if i can get them to 520Mhz max i would bet they are 4ns. I could be wrong though.
As for an earlier post saying i had artifacts at over 490Mhz memory, i had a bad tweak, it turns out i can do 520Mhz on memory but its stated to show artifacts in 3dMark2K1, but only very little. I could even do 530Mhz but that was pushing it. Sorry for not having the equipment to take some pics for you.:(
fiveohhh
12-05-01, 01:48 AM
I did a little more testing and got the core to 240, and than artifacting was pretty obvious, but at 237 all is good, also hit 510 with the memory, and all was still good, but didn't want to push it too hard..... I'll get the date tomorrow, when I can find a flashlight=)
Pity410
12-05-01, 11:46 PM
What are the best drivers for this card, i have a 4501(BB $99) will be running windows xp.
Pity410
Neptune, thank's for taking the time to check the rating on your ram modules. I have yet to find anyone who can confirm a -4 designation on their ram, I'm wondering if they all SAY -5 but some are actually 4ns. Does that number even refer to the speed at all?
On a side note, what did you use to clean that crap off the ram-sinks and chips? I'm afraid of using a strong solvent b/c I don't want to damage the memory modules. Did you use any special method to remove the heat sinks (I used a knife blade but it was probably a bad idea, I've since exchanged that card for a new one and I don't want to risk damage).
-Ace-
acehole
12-06-01, 04:01 AM
I also got a ti200 at BB. Used coolbits hack, maxed it out and had no problems at all. Running at 220/500, put my finger on the ram sinks, not hot at all. I knew this card had more. Emailed hardocp to tell them about the card and kyle told me others had also notified him. Vissiontek's lastest batch uses 4n/s chips. Installed powerstrip, and now running at 226/530. The only game that locks up at this speed is aquanox. 3Dmark2001, RTCW, Gostrecon, and RallyX run with out a hitch. I think it's aquanox's use of v/p shaders, just a guess. Mine says 4501. I want more core speed but no amount of cooling is getting me higher. I recently read a review (can't remember where) saying the only difference between ti200/ti500 is a voltage regulator, aside from the memory. Lower voltage = lower core. Seems to me a simple mod should = ti500 cores! Don't know how yet but if I find somthing out I will let you all know. I want a 250+ core.
Slickone
12-06-01, 12:40 PM
I, also, want to know the best way to remove the ram sinks, and what to clean them with.
Has anyone done a before and after test w/ this card and the stock HSF vs a Crystal Orb?
kaikara
12-06-01, 12:50 PM
I was getting 225/515 before and am able to get 235/515 after I put on the crystal orb. Oh and before i did it i though the stock heat sink fan was glued on along with the clips - it isn't there is just some cheap interface material there. I was going to test with the stock hsf and some arctic silver on it to see if there was any difference but never got around to it. I would suggest that anyone who has this pull of the heatsink and put some good goop under there. you will probably be able to do a bit better.
Originally posted by Slickone
I, also, want to know the best way to remove the ram sinks, and what to clean them with.
Has anyone done a before and after test w/ this card and the stock HSF vs a Crystal Orb?
Slickone
12-06-01, 01:06 PM
So you are using Arctic Silver w/ yours now?
kaikara
12-06-01, 01:09 PM
Yep i am using the crystal orb with arctic silver and getting 235mhz from the core rather then 225mhz with stock HSF. i never tried putting arctic silver on the stock cooler as no matter what the crystal orb will do better.
I got my VisionTek Xtasy 6564 GeForce3 Ti 200 brand new, factory sealed from a seller on eBay earlier this week. I could tell the seller got it from Best Buy because it had that "Let Us Install It For You" sticker on the shrink wrap. My manufacturer code is 4401 and I currently have it at GeForce3 speeds, 200MHz/460MHz. I am going to leave it at that because all I wanted was GeForce3 speeds. In my opinion I got a GeForce3 for only $167.00 :) , but some of you guys got it for only $99.00 and overclocked it past GeForce3 speeds! :eek: Anyways, before I overclocked it I got 6324 in 3DMark2001, not I get 6743.
I was saying that all the ebay losers were out to buy these cards when I was standing in line at the first Best Buy on Black Friday....
I hate ebay losers. I hope VisonTek doesn't send them their MIRs.
the-knight
12-07-01, 10:55 PM
First off I'd like to say that I am one of the guys who bought their card at BB for $99. The card is a 4401 and can go 245/545 easy. The only difference in cooling is before I installed the card in I took the pad off the GPU heatsink and replaced it with Arctic Silver. I also have a 80mm fan blowing right on the card.
Moving on. About removing the ramsinks, I've heard the best way to do so it to put the card in a static bag and throw it in the freezer for no more than 10-15 minutes. The heatsinks should fall right off. As far as reattachment goes, put Arctic Silver on the ram chips except for the four corners, on each corner add a VERY small dot of super glue. Push the heatsinks back on and let dry. I haven't done this myself but am considering it. I find that on most of my ram chips there is more than 50% of the chip not contacting the heatsink.
-Exi|e-
12-08-01, 02:10 AM
For those who tought of exchanging there Ti200's for a Ti500 because of the sticker on the boxes, guess again. Here's what i got from Visiontek....
Pascal,
A few of the boxes left our warehouse with an incorrect sticker. We
apologize for this mistake but the box clearly states that the processing
speed is 175MHZ. If you are looking for a video card that has 250MHZ we
will be more than happy to exchange for a Geforce2 Ti card.
Unfortunately, we do not make a GeForce 3 Ti 200 that comes with 250MHZ.
But be aware that that card you originally purchased is a higher model than
the one you will be receiving if you should decide to accept this offer.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us.
Visiontek
-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:26 PM
To: support@visiontek.com
Subject: False advertising
I just bought a Visiontek GeForce 3 Ti200. On the front of the box it said
"now with 250Mhz processor" but i just found out that its actually a 175Mhz
processor. This is absolutly false advertising, i was deceived in thinking
i was buying a card with a 250Mhz processor. I cant return the card where i
bought it because they say its an error on your part and they cant do
anything about it.
-Exi|e-
12-08-01, 02:11 AM
They want to exchange it for a GeForce 2 Ti, heh, me dumb, me dont know the difference.......
portorock
12-08-01, 10:33 AM
I took my PNY GF3 Ti200 out and it has the same code on it as well.
Originally posted by -Exi|e-
For those who tought of exchanging there Ti200's for a Ti500 because of the sticker on the boxes, guess again. Here's what i got from Visiontek....
Pascal,
A few of the boxes left our warehouse with an incorrect sticker. We
apologize for this mistake but the box clearly states that the processing
speed is 175MHZ. If you are looking for a video card that has 250MHZ we
will be more than happy to exchange for a Geforce2 Ti card.
Unfortunately, we do not make a GeForce 3 Ti 200 that comes with 250MHZ.
But be aware that that card you originally purchased is a higher model than
the one you will be receiving if you should decide to accept this offer.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us.
Visiontek
-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:26 PM
To: support@visiontek.com
Subject: False advertising
I just bought a Visiontek GeForce 3 Ti200. On the front of the box it said
"now with 250Mhz processor" but i just found out that its actually a 175Mhz
processor. This is absolutly false advertising, i was deceived in thinking
i was buying a card with a 250Mhz processor. I cant return the card where i
bought it because they say its an error on your part and they cant do
anything about it.
If I can't believe what the sticker says, why should I believe what the box says?
They're marketing and customer relation morons.
A good company would make an effort to have the product removed from store shelves or at the very least offer you a coffee mug or something stoopid as a display of some sort of customer satisfaction.
Just saying "whoops, we messed up" is just ridiculous. They suck.
(Now watch them attempt to sue me for slander... ;) )
here's a little update. i had originally overclocked mine to 200MHz/460MHz as i posted a few replies up, but i decided to try some more. i currently have it at 220MHz/500MHz stable. i have looped 3dmark2001 for about an hour and have ran Artifact Tester 5.0 and everything is stable. this is w/ detonator drivers 23.11 and coolbits. i have the manufacturer code 4401.
Akumu X
12-10-01, 02:33 AM
I'm just getting back into all the computers and all that after a few months of D2...it's a beatuiful thing that you can buy a GeForce 3 Ti 200 for $155 (or 99 with that sale for you luckies) and then take it home and jack it up to GeForce 3 standards is a beautiful thing. so...why buy a Geforce 3($200)? (honestly why would you?) Ti200 is what's up...
Ti500...that thing is a beast. (and you need to be one to buy it...)
kaikara
12-10-01, 07:00 AM
I would suggest getting a program that will let you take it higher.
coolbits only goes to 500/220. If you can go that high you may get higher. I am at 235/515. at 240 i start getting artifacting. I have seen some people say they have been able to get theres to 250/550. might as well juice it for everything you can.
kaikara
Originally posted by hddy
here's a little update. i had originally overclocked mine to 200MHz/460MHz as i posted a few replies up, but i decided to try some more. i currently have it at 220MHz/500MHz stable. i have looped 3dmark2001 for about an hour and have ran Artifact Tester 5.0 and everything is stable. this is w/ detonator drivers 23.11 and coolbits. i have the manufacturer code 4401.
I would suggest getting a program that will let you take it higher. coolbits only goes to 500/220. If you can go that high you may get higher. I am at 235/515. at 240 i start getting artifacting. I have seen some people say they have been able to get theres to 250/550. might as well juice it for everything you can.
Actually, if you go into the registry in coolibits and copy the value of "Krusty" and paste it to "Bart" it will allow coolbits to go much higher.
Well that is a neat trick too bad my card can't handle it! :(
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