So where's all of the info on the R600 if we're close to launch?

[Spoudazo]

Where's some info? It seems to be nowhere, just old info from Q2 '06 :santa:

[Phrenetical]

Everyone whos anyone is under an NDA until well,, even that is confidential.

So unless one of those crazy taiwanese guys leaks all the info again, then you wont see much till the NDA's expire and the testing/review/and partners are allowed to report on the hardware.

[freakdiablo]

Last thing i heard was that its power hungry. but that info is a couple months old, not to be trusted.

[jtjuska]

I would really like to see some benchmarks of this as I am waiting to get either the ATI card or the nVidia till it comes out and I can compare the performance in DX10

~jtjuska

[PhysX]

ATi will pwn :) its always liek this, ati has say their.. x8XX out then nv launches their 7XXX series and peopel omg NV rocks and pwns ati, and were like... of course a current gen card cant really compete with a next gen card haha, eg... 8800GTX(next gen) vs. X1950XTX(current gen) so really NV has nothing on ati until ati has released its next gen card, then, just then people might be able to say the ati cards sucks, which it wont, ati always prevails with their next gen cards.

[jtjuska]

Like I said I am waiting to see benches of them head to head (X2800XTX if thats what its called and the 8800GTX) and I will buy whatever between them is the fastest. I have nothing really against either company but really want an ATI card for some reason, lol

~jtjuska

[One Bull]

Where's some info? It seems to be nowhere, just old info from Q2 '06 :santa:

Hehe it's clear you have an Nvidia card without reading your sig. :)
Nvidia usually leaks all the info.. Ati usually doesn't leak any info...

[poopboypat]

Anyone know the ~ cost of the DX10 cards for ATI?

[||Console||]

Its prob going to be ~ the same price as the 8800gtx

[Jarlax]

I am waiting to do a new build until after the holidays and want to get either a 8800 or a new ATI card and it is killing me that I cannot even begin to compare the cards to make a decision since ATI will not release anything.

[squads]

There is information out there, but not on performance really. It will be very shader intensive (ATI tends to do that alot). It will be running GDDR4 memory, etc. There have been pics of the core as well, which is turned at an angle so it looks like a diamond.

The inquirer had an article listing some specs. The memory bandwidth is supposedly significantly higher than that of the 8800 series.

[Jarlax]

The inquirer had an article listing some specs. The memory bandwidth is supposedly significantly higher than that of the 8800 series.

The inquirer has actually had a number of articles on the R600, especially when it was planning to originally launch earlier this year. The problem is that all the information does not show any real performance, just architecture and guesses. The real test is when we see nVidia cards going head to head with the ATI cards.

That is what I am waiting for.

[PhysX]

Like I said I am waiting to see benches of them head to head (X2800XTX if thats what its called and the 8800GTX) and I will buy whatever between them is the fastest. I have nothing really against either company but really want an ATI card for some reason, lol

~jtjuska

I know its the red pcb that gets ya haha. :)

[meionm]

I would say around when vista will be released but by then we might be waiting for nv g81

[MadMan007]

If the little bit of info the Inq has is correct the GPUs are theoretically close in most numbers. ATi will have an advantage in core speed aside from the unified shaders (NV's shaders run at 2x core speed) and a significant advantage in memory bandwidth. It will have fewer ROPs as well but 16 pixel outputs is enough for any monitor today.

I was a little way into doing a numerical analysis and guesswork but stopped when I realized there's too much dependent upon the details of the architecture like shader schedulers which we might never even know and software drivers to make even a rough guesstimate. Then there's the wierd stuff like NVs on-die caches for each operational unit and there's no way to really quantify how those add to the speed and quality. NV really blindsided some people with the G80, there were perpetual rumors until near release that it wasn't even true DX10 with unified shaders let alone the beast that it is.

[Sgt_Pinto]

i'm interested in the x2800pro or wateva they have to counter 8800gts, those two cards are my target.

[freakdiablo]

I was a little way into doing a numerical analysis and guesswork but stopped when I realized there's too much dependent upon the details of the architecture like shader schedulers which we might never even know and software drivers to make even a rough guesstimate. Then there's the wierd stuff like NVs on-die caches for each operational unit and there's no way to really quantify how those add to the speed and quality. NV really blindsided some people with the G80, there were perpetual rumors until near release that it wasn't even true DX10 with unified shaders let alone the beast that it is.
Ya, the only real way to tell is run alot of different benchmarks. But even then, theres no real way to tell the difference, since different cards run differently under different conditions.

[funion]

Delayed again. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34373

[freakdiablo]

Delayed again. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34373
That was written in september, They could have changed it back. I hope.

Who am I kidding? Its probably going to be released in June now :cry:

[jtjuska]

Or July for that matter. With the way my luck is going with computers it probably is going to be delayed until R700 comes out, lol

~jtjuska

[ECH]

Last thing I read about it was that R600 will use DX10.1

[MadMan007]

That was written in september, They could have changed it back. I hope.

Who am I kidding? Its probably going to be released in June now :cry:

article:
so the chip won't be read for December as originally planed

No worries, it's just referring to the original release date. The late January date to coincide with Vista was announced more recently and there haven't been any rumors of delays yet so January is probably accurate. Let's just hope the extra time gave ATi a chance to make a well-distributed launch.

[freakdiablo]

Let's just hope the extra time gave ATi a chance to make a well-distributed launch.
And work out any possible bugs that could go wrong.

[MadMan007]

A 1-1.5month delay would make a difference for final production-level bugs like NVs capacitor problem on the 8800s but not for more fundamental ones. Of course that's still a good thing :) ATi just tends to be a little weaker for launch availability and time until cards become easy to find.

[blitzkrieg1110]

Any word on a more mid-ranged sub 400 dollar offering from ati yet? I know most people on this forum have like crazy amounts of money to spend on a video card but I really don't want to spend over 400 bucks on one.....

Are they supposed to be released the same time as the high end models?

[jtjuska]

High end models typically launch about a month or two before the mid range and low end gfx cards, so I would assume like Feb or march we should see some X2600's floating around (assuming thats what they call it).

~jtjuska

[blitzkrieg1110]

High end models typically launch about a month or two before the mid range and low end gfx cards, so I would assume like Feb or march we should see some X2600's floating around (assuming thats what they call it).

~jtjuska
Any idea when Nvidias midrange dx10 cards are supposed to hit? :confused:

[deathman20]

There was talk of course unofficial, that just like the X1k series that the big dogs will be released (the GTX competitor) then 30 days later the slightly smaller ones will be released (the GTS competitor).

Theres a huge thread on this over at XS that I just found today. Theres not alot more information on it but theres some intresting points then alot of BS.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126427

[blitzkrieg1110]

At the heart of the cooling problem, though, is the R600's power requirements. These are nothing short of laughable at the moment.

With the clock speeds the company's looking to deploy, R600's requirements seem like they're going to outpace those of NVIDIA Quad parts. Cooling issues only make things worse and it's still unclear what steps ATI can take to solve these dual problems.
Wow.......if this is true...thats really bad news....

[deathman20]

Wow.......if this is true...thats really bad news....

Ya but with everyone going back and forth I doubt it. I mean they did a few revisions pretty close to each other so it looks more or less small tweaks to the core itself currently. I doubt they would release something thats a god awful power gusseler right now let alone higher tech cooler.

To me if they need a 2 slot cooler let it be then again I don't run crossfire.

[blitzkrieg1110]

What one of the members said on that forum was interesting

On a side note, are people really that concerned about how much power the card draws? If your PSU can't hack it, slap in one or two of the FSP BoosterX3's. Problem solved.

I really do like the idea of these gfx power supplies that fit into your 5.25 inch bays.

[deathman20]

What one of the members said on that forum was interesting



I really do like the idea of these gfx power supplies that fit into your 5.25 inch bays.

Ya but also you have to read after that the PSU doesn't even work with the G80 cores of nVidia. What the PSU is, is a 300W PS with 2, 6pin PCI-E connectors with a 150W draw on each line.

[ECH]

There was talk of course unofficial, that just like the X1k series that the big dogs will be released (the GTX competitor) then 30 days later the slightly smaller ones will be released (the GTS competitor).

Theres a huge thread on this over at XS that I just found today. Theres not alot more information on it but theres some intresting points then alot of BS.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126427
XS is down for now

[blitzkrieg1110]

Ya but also you have to read after that the PSU doesn't even work with the G80 cores of nVidia. What the PSU is, is a 300W PS with 2, 6pin PCI-E connectors with a 150W draw on each line.
People on newegg were saying that the thermaltake gfx card psu worked fine with an 8800gts......almost positive it wouldn't work with two of them, but for 50 bucks what do you expect....

[Shell]

I keep hearing these buggers will have much more advanced stream processing then the X1900's.

If this is true... I wonder when AMD will just give up on CPUs and GPUs, remove the CPU socket on the MOBO, have 4 or more 32Gbits PCIe2 x16 slots, and call the video cards "processing modules". :D
Actually... that could work very well. :drool:

But these things are supposably making nVidia quiver and has them scrambling on the 8900 so they can continue being the ones with the most powerful GPU.
Secret Numbers: 64x4 700 1000 512 1024
.
And as for power consumption... well... my PSU should handle one just fine so I'm not going to worry. :-/

Quad FX Anyone? 1m Quad Opty anyone? (http://virtualexperience.amd.com/index.html?cid=quadcore&co=quadcore) 7m

[MadMan007]

Those numbers aren't 'secret' if 1) you know them 2) they were reported more or less by the Inq :p

[deathman20]

People on newegg were saying that the thermaltake gfx card psu worked fine with an 8800gts......almost positive it wouldn't work with two of them, but for 50 bucks what do you expect....

Intresting alot of people over at XS in that thread I linked above said there was alot of issues with it.

[ZER0P0INT]

I'm running an 8800GTX on the Thermaltake express 250 PSU that fits in the drive bay with absolutely no problems whatsoever. The card doesnt pull a 150 watts a line. It pulls 75+75+75 give or take a few watts depending on the load. Thats 75 off the MB and 75 from each line on drive bay psu (roughly half what its rated for) In low power mode the 2nd line is putting out less than 2 amps. So theres plenty of head room on these drive bay units. For 50 bucks you can't beat it. I wouldn't try running a G80 sli setup even if it did have enough connections but if you have another empty drive bay you could always toss in another one. A 600 watt 42 amp psu(s) for 100 bucks doesnt sound too bad to me. Not to mention, you don't have to worry about other components robbing your vid cards of their power.

[blitzkrieg1110]

A 600 watt 42 amp psu(s) for 100 bucks doesnt sound too bad to me.
Nope, it definitely doesn't. This is good news indeed

[dotyer]

I contacted my sponsor about buying a ATI DX10 card from them the day they are released, but they couldn't confirm any date or even how much they would be. Frankly, they couldn't even tell me if they were carrying them or not. I just want to get the best card that will last me at least a year whether it be nVidia or ATI, but for the moment I have no benchmarks to compare. :-/

[GonePostal]

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=1

[(Clanger)(DOA)]

^^ not too shabby.

[deathman20]

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=1

Thats the chipset not the GPU :( Damn had my hopes up when I saw the date on the post. At least its preforming well.

[Shell]

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=1
I'm seeing a big error in that image... it's 16x ,16x ,2x PCIe not 8x ,8x ,2x PCIe... according to... whatshisface... I'll find the linky.
The PCIe interface is unified and highly clockable(200mhz+) inside the NB to allow for some serious multi-GPU power.
That chipset is a lot more powerful then then nVidia'a 680i and produces about 1/3 the heat.

DDR2-1066 with 1:1 anyone? :drool:

This is a great overclocking board, strap on some good cooling, and watch your C2D and C2Q fly.

And the next RD will have DDR3 support. :sn:

[Velocity]

The R600 will be released around the time vista is in stores. AMD/ATI are not really saying anything else other then that they seen the G80, we have the R600 and that we are confident with the R600 and what it can do. Check out the lastest CPU mag for more. On a side note. I would wait for the R600 and see what they have, but i think nivida has the better card. Also don't be surprised if the R600 is about $50 less.

[Shell]

I would wait for the R600 and see what they have, but i think nivida has the better card. Also don't be surprised if the R600 is about $50 less.
I'd be surprised if your statement was not the polar opposite.

512bit memory bus = expensive
GDDR4.EL(type 06 and 08) = expensive
Huge copper HS = expensive

[deathman20]

I'd be surprised if your statement was not the polar opposite.

512bit memory bus = expensive
GDDR4.EL(type 06 and 08) = expensive
Huge copper HS = expensive

1gig of memory if the rumor is right = EXPENSIVE!