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http://cgi.ebay.com/LIQUID-GALLIUM-DUAL-XEON-CPU-COOLER_W0QQitemZ180061520802QQihZ008QQcategoryZ801 50QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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natewildes
12-14-06, 09:04 PM
gallium conducts heat just a smidgen better than copper in solid form, but water is muuuuch better at transferring heat vs liquid gallium....in other words, cool find and something to brag about, not something to cool hot CPUs with ;)
Radical
12-14-06, 10:35 PM
Then what would be the point of using gallium? It seems like it would be more expensive than water, and much more dangerous if it were to leak.
MadMan007
12-14-06, 10:47 PM
gallium conducts heat just a smidgen better than copper in solid form, but water is muuuuch better at transferring heat vs liquid gallium....in other words, cool find and something to brag about, not something to cool hot CPUs with ;)
Bragworthy in a way, but then again it's 'only' $300. Phase or a water cooler (whether sub-ambient or not) is better anyway for the money and can get sub-zero temps :)
Adragontattoo
12-15-06, 02:00 AM
Then what would be the point of using gallium? It seems like it would be more expensive than water, and much more dangerous if it were to leak.
the "LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one" factor and NOTHING more.
If there is a leak in that system and it gets on anything that has Aluminum in it, the system or at least that specific piece of gear is DONE.
Gallium loves Aluminum like a fat kid loves cake.
Korndog
12-15-06, 02:23 AM
it looks like a company made this thing though, i could understand someone making it for the bling factor, but why a company? wouldn't the engineer who designed this know better if something like water would have been a cheaper/better choice?
Exar Jun
12-15-06, 08:51 AM
gallium conducts heat just a smidgen better than copper in solid form, but water is muuuuch better at transferring heat vs liquid gallium....in other words, cool find and something to brag about, not something to cool hot CPUs with ;)
Need to get your data straight Nate. Gallium is at least 60 - 65 times better then water in thermal conductivity. Most of the reason why is its volumetric heat capacity is 2.187 J/cm³ where as water is 4.187 meaning that it heats 2 times as efficient then water to take heat away from the heat block to bring it back to the rad. Sure it may run hotter then water but it basically cools and heats much faster then water making it better to conduct the heat away from a proc.
If it wasn't ~$320 dollars, I'd play around with it. :beer:
Maviryk
12-15-06, 11:48 AM
Is anyone here wondering how they filled an bled that loop???
Exar Jun
12-15-06, 02:15 PM
There is a fill port it looks like in the top right of the loop.
Need to get your data straight Nate. Gallium is at least 60 - 65 times better then water in thermal conductivity. Most of the reason why is its volumetric heat capacity is 2.187 J/cm³ where as water is 4.187 meaning that it heats 2 times as efficient then water to take heat away from the heat block to bring it back to the rad. Sure it may run hotter then water but it basically cools and heats much faster then water making it better to conduct the heat away from a proc.
he meant copper not water <_<
I would rather deal with water cooling but that pump and heatsink design is very note worthy. I havent seen many heatsinks with built-in pumps, but i dont think its worth 300
Bugsmasher
12-15-06, 02:55 PM
Actually the Gallium having a heat capacity of around 7 times that of water and a thermal conductivity of nearly 70 times that of water.....might just be a nifty thing ;)
Sure dont want it leaking however...and ya better be danged careful waht type of metal is in your loop (which is kinda hard considering most blocks)....due to the way it 'attacks' other metals.
Interesting link about the company NanoCoolers --> http://www.nanocoolers.com/newsroom_detail.php?news_id=16
Adragontattoo
12-15-06, 03:45 PM
This would be interesting Bugsmasher except that 99.9% of Laptops have Al. in them, usually in the MB frame and structure internally in the laptop (including screw points and heat shields) and a tiny leak would destroy the laptop.
synthetic_fenix
12-15-06, 03:59 PM
This would be interesting Bugsmasher except that 99.9% of Laptops have Al. in them, usually in the MB frame and structure internally in the laptop (including screw points and heat shields) and a tiny leak would destroy the laptop.
I think you would be save considering this is for a Dual Xeon setup and not a laptop :) However i would consider ordering it for my server if i wasn't so scared that it would leak and destroy my server
natewildes
12-15-06, 04:40 PM
Need to get your data straight Nate. Gallium is at least 60 - 65 times better then water in thermal conductivity. Most of the reason why is its volumetric heat capacity is 2.187 J/cm³ where as water is 4.187 meaning that it heats 2 times as efficient then water to take heat away from the heat block to bring it back to the rad. Sure it may run hotter then water but it basically cools and heats much faster then water making it better to conduct the heat away from a proc.
Doh, you're right, the units of measurement I was looking at were different, my bad.
Exar Jun
12-15-06, 09:09 PM
No worries :)
This would be interesting Bugsmasher except that 99.9% of Laptops have Al. in them, usually in the MB frame and structure internally in the laptop (including screw points and heat shields) and a tiny leak would destroy the laptop.
That's why it would be a completely closed, sealed system. Leaks don't just "happen," there's a reason. And if they're marketing it towards laptops, you can bet it'll be good.
doesn't simple chemistry state that corrosion is not likely to happen with a gallium loop?
if thats liquid gallium is pure gallium then its not gonna corrode or anything.
water is that crazy polar molecule that tears everything apart and dissolves most everything. thats wut all those solvents you put in the water are for. to eliminate this trait.
^.~ drop a droplet of water on your desk then drop a little soap in it and wash it flood all over your desk cuz the intermolecular attractions gone.
so i think its more safe. just toxic stuff.
Adragontattoo
12-17-06, 08:36 PM
That's why it would be a completely closed, sealed system. Leaks don't just "happen," there's a reason. And if they're marketing it towards laptops, you can bet it'll be good.
After working on laptops(all major distributors) every day for the past 4 years, I can promise you that nothing is foolproof on a laptop ESPECIALLY internals.
wtf is this... first time hearing
WonderingSoul
12-17-06, 11:52 PM
Gallium, meh. I am looking at that copper radiator :drool:
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