ATI X800 Crossfire edition $75.05 shipped [Archive]

Bal`thzar

12-29-06, 03:09 PM

ATI is having a clearance on Refurbed X800 256meg GDDR3 Crossfire edition cards, I'll be captain obvious and say that they are PCI-e

They are listed for $79 use the coupon code atiwe5 for 5% off and free shipping.

they carry a 1 year warranty and I think they are a great card for the money. They come with the crossfire cables and all the accessories.

ATI Linky (http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3130802)

Foxie3a

12-29-06, 03:15 PM

How does a Crossfire edition stack up against a Pro, or XT?

Bal`thzar

12-29-06, 03:28 PM

How does a Crossfire edition stack up against a Pro, or XT?

I have not a clue but I wonder about flashing and what not. I am sure we have a couple of experts here who can fill us in

I bit on one

speed bump

12-29-06, 04:14 PM

BossBorot

12-29-06, 04:22 PM

wow ATi finally releases x800 crossfire.... No really this product never hit retail channels until now. ATi decided to can the x800 crossfire when it got pushed back so far, heck x850 crossfire barly made it out one month before the x1800 series. I think that these cards where just used for internal testing before they decided to not mass produce them.

I wouldnt consider this worthwhile for anyone to buy. By itself a similarly priced card, if you look around enough can perform better, and in crossfire it will get killed by a card worth 80 bucks + what you can get in the classifieds for a x800 series card. Also it is not dual link so if you run it in crossfire mode you will only get a resolution up to 1600x1200 just like it is with x850 crossfire.

Gautam

12-29-06, 04:44 PM

They say it has 16pipelines like the XTs but looking at the card its an x800 vanilla.

It is basically an 8 pipe card that was designed as competion for the 6600GT. This card also does not mod to anything better. If you want to CF this is probably a good cheap way to get it but otherwise not really worth it.
Looks can be deceiving...but there's no info on this card whatsoever, and I don't think ATi would lie that blatantly about the pixel pipelines on their website.

My best guess is that this card will be equivalent to an X800XT in clocks and pipes, and can be used for CFing X800XT PE's, etc. It should also be possible to CF X850XT (PE)'s with it if the slave card is downflashed.

I think its a good deal personally...find me any other retail card that performs better for the price, heck I don't think there any this cheap even in the classies.

BossBorot

12-29-06, 05:19 PM

Looks can be deceiving...but there's no info on this card whatsoever, and I don't think ATi would lie that blatantly about the pixel pipelines on their website.

My best guess is that this card will be equivalent to an X800XT in clocks and pipes, and can be used for CFing X800XT PE's, etc. It should also be possible to CF X850XT (PE)'s with it if the slave card is downflashed.

There is no info on this card because it was never launched but if the specs are what they where expected to be back in sept 2005, before ATi decided not to launch it, then yes it should have 16 pipes and clock the same as the x800xt.

I think its a good deal personally...find me any other retail card that performs better for the price, heck I don't think there any this cheap even in the classies.

7600gt for about the same price after MIR (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814143049)

If you dont like MIRs then yes this is very good deal but I wouldnt run this in crossfire mode. If you already have a x800 series card then I personally think that it would be better to sell the card and then spend the 80 bucks that you would have spend on this for something else.

here is a link (http://www.hardwarezoom.com/viewcontent.php?docid=267&page=3&doctype=Reviews) to some info on the x800cf card from a preview back in 2005

http://www.hardwarezoom.com/docs/Reviews/267/x800cf.png

Gautam

12-29-06, 05:30 PM

Heh, wow, $65 MIR, quite a whopping chop off the regular price. I personally have no problem with MIR's, but I'm in the vast minority on that. :p

7600GT is basically on par with the X800...however the X800 doesn't have SM3.0 of course. Arguably better IQ, more shaders and pipes though. Both great deals here.

Remove

12-29-06, 05:32 PM

I've never played with any of these ATI cards. Gonna grab 2 and see what they can do.

HousERaT

12-29-06, 06:19 PM

Too bad I don't have a crossfire board. That would be interesting to pair up with my X800GTO² card.

BossBorot

12-29-06, 07:01 PM

Too bad I don't have a crossfire board. That would be interesting to pair up with my X800GTO² card.

Ive always wondered what would pair up with the X800GTO² it has the r480 core where as the x800cf is r430. What decides which crossfire card it works with the core, the bios, or something else? Heck the X800GTO² might even work with both the x800cf and the x850cf depending on what bios you have active.

speed bump

12-29-06, 09:25 PM

In the additional specs it says additional power supply plug not required its an 8 pipe x800 Vanilla.

I wish it was an x800 16 pipe master I would be all over it.

BossBorot

12-29-06, 09:34 PM

In the additional specs it says additional power supply plug not required its an 8 pipe x800 Vanilla.

I wish it was an x800 16 pipe master I would be all over it.

In the article that I linked the master card does not require any additional power yet through ATi tool it shows 16 pipes.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8936/cfpackageou5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.hardwarezoom.com/docs/Reviews/267/x800cf.png

funnyperson1

12-30-06, 11:14 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the X800 Master card is supposed to be able to do crossfire with ALL X800 series cards. In that case it would pretty much have to have 16 pipes.

HousERaT

12-30-06, 12:02 PM

somebody get one and report how well they clock.:D

Gautam

12-30-06, 12:16 PM

Probably about as well an X800XL...I was hoping it would be R423, but no dice on that I guess. Still a solid deal.

Btw the auxillary power connector has nothing to do with what core nor how many pipes it has.

Alexhk

12-31-06, 10:16 AM

Yeah I'm trying to think of someone who could use this...quite the deal

To clear up things regarding the auxiliary power connector, as gautam said it has nothing to do with which core is used. Xbit labs measured the power consumption of an X800 XT PE to be ~65 watts so thats the highest power draw you'd ge out of an X800 chip. The PCI-E slot can provide 75 watts while an AGP slot can only provide 50 watts hence the aux. power connector that many of us are familiar with on x800 series AGP cards.

Remove

12-31-06, 02:04 PM

I ordered 2 of them. They don't show tracking yet for my order but the following was in the confirmation email:

"ShopATI
service@Shop.ATI.com
http://shop.ati.com

Limited Time Offer:

If you have a friend or family member who would like to purchase an ATI Graphics Card, make sure you offer them coupon code '1439'. The coupon code can be used on the ATI Online Store and offers a 5% discount off any order over $149 dollars (excluding taxes and shipping). Visit http://shop.ati.com/ for the latest offers."

5% off for someone :D

When they get here I'll post clock speeds for ya HouseRat.

HousERaT

12-31-06, 02:54 PM

Good luck with that.... I'll be watching.:thup:

dirtyp

12-31-06, 11:47 PM

will this crossfire with a 850xt?
waiting for new mobo to test my if my card is messed up, if it is ill pick one of these up.....

funnyperson1

01-01-07, 01:48 AM

No, this will not crossfire with the X850 series AFAIK.

dirtyp

01-01-07, 07:15 AM

I thought it might since its simalar, I thought they were both 480 o well

Gautam

01-01-07, 02:42 PM

It should work if you edit your X850's device ID down to an X800.

Reefa_Madness

01-02-07, 10:08 PM

will this crossfire with a 850xt?
waiting for new mobo to test my if my card is messed up, if it is ill pick one of these up.....

Yes.

According to this preview, dated May of 2005, the X800 CF mastercard should work with an X850XT "slave".

Quote from article:

One of the strong points of CrossFire is ability of different graphics cards to work together, which is very important, given the number of ATI RADEON X800 and X850 models already available on the market.

Since a CrossFire Edition graphics card is needed for ATI multi-GPU operation, ATI’s add-in cards partners will produce three CrossFire Edition graphics cards:

RADEON X850 CrossFire Edition 256MB – 16 pixel pipelines, 6 vertex pipelines, 520MHz/1080MHz core/memory. $549.
RADEON X800 CrossFire Edition 256MB – 16 pixel pipelines, 6 vertex pipelines, 400MHz/1000MHz core/memory. $299.
RADEON X800 CrossFire Edition 128MB – 16 pixel pipelines, 6 vertex pipelines, 400MHz/1000MHz core/memory. $249.

In general, ATI recommends to use CrossFire Edition cards with corresponding RADEON X800 or X850 chips, however, theoretically RADEON X850 CrossFire should work fine with RADEON X800 cards and RADEON X800 CrossFire will work well with RADEON X850 cards.

Source:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/crossfire_5.html

Edit:

Here is a copy of a post made over at fatwallet.com which I found interesting.

Quote:

nsdp said:

It is a much better card than the X800XL. It is the same as the original X800XT with the updated R430 core instead of the R420. It is the exact same card as the Fire GL X3 which is a professional grade card similar to the Quadro FX 3500. That is several steps above the 7600 in everything except speed where it is probably a dead heat. Two will get you around 19,000 in 3DMark 03. That is faster than my X1800XT. Downside is no SM 3.0

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

cmacclel replied:

I received mine today it stated X800XL on the sticker on the card.

Source of above quotes:
http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/687364

dirtyp

01-03-07, 12:52 AM

any chance of cf a agp and pcie?

funnyperson1

01-03-07, 01:16 AM

Ah well sorry for my misinformation about the X800/X850 Crossfire.

Reefa_Madness

01-03-07, 05:41 AM

any chance of cf a agp and pcie?

That would be interesting...perhaps on the AsRock mobos with both AGP and PCIe?

I really doubt it would work but wouldn't it be something if you could pull that off. :D

g0dM@n

01-03-07, 08:48 AM

That would be interesting...perhaps on the AsRock mobos with both AGP and PCIe?

I really doubt it would work but wouldn't it be something if you could pull that off. :D
no way... lol.

this card is a good deal even if you don't go crossfire. :) i still love the x800/850s... probably my favorite cards to date.

Gautam

01-03-07, 09:42 AM

this card is a good deal even if you don't go crossfire. :) i still love the x800/850s... probably my favorite cards to date.
Amen to that. :) If these were R423/R480, I woulda picked up at least one for old time's sake.

g0dM@n

01-03-07, 11:10 AM

Amen to that. :) If these were R423/R480, I woulda picked up at least one for old time's sake.
what are the cores...?

r420 - x800 pro
r423 - x800 xt/pe
r480 - x850 pro/xt/pe

i've no idea... i forget so much it's been like a year+ to me now =/

Reefa_Madness

01-03-07, 08:03 PM

This was posted over at fatwallet and gives the source as THG. I don't know whether it is correct or not and didn't take the time to check the source...

Off of tomshardware.com vga chart

x800 GTO R430
x800 XL R430
x800 XT R423
x800 XT PE AGP R420
x850 XT R480
x850 XT AGP R481

g0dM@n

01-03-07, 08:14 PM

so the 430 is really the only one to hate, then... right? =)

Reefa_Madness

01-03-07, 09:22 PM

Hate is perhaps a tad strong, but yes, probably safe to say it is the beast with the least.

Then again, overclocked and in CF mode, it might just surprise you. :D

g0dM@n

01-04-07, 10:09 AM

i'm soooo tempted... lol.

so i could run this crossfire with a flashed x800gto, right? (it's 16 pipes now)

all i'd need is a xfire mobo?

Bal`thzar

01-04-07, 04:27 PM

OK guys some of the mystery is gone I just got mine in the mail about 20 minutes ago and on the product sticker it says

X800XL so I am guessing that its the R430 core.

I have not gotten around to doing anything other than putting it on my bench

Reefa_Madness

01-04-07, 06:55 PM

Are you willing to check the core and verify?

Bal`thzar

01-04-07, 07:50 PM

Are you willing to check the core and verify?

thats my plan for the next couple of days

its just been one big long fat hairball of a day

Bal`thzar

01-04-07, 08:04 PM

OK so Igot motivated
for the record the box contents were just the card (no sticker on the HS it was plain silver metal)
a manual, a Drivers CD and a serialized sticker for the card

here is the information right offa the GPU
Radeon X800Pro
R430
215RBBAKA11F
N17021.00
0507AAH
Tiawan

The Ram is

Samsung 540
K4J5532QF-GC20
AWH281PAS

can somone translate this into english for a brother and tell me if I should fleabay this or use it in my HTPC.

Gautam

01-04-07, 08:30 PM

Gautam

01-04-07, 08:32 PM

so the 430 is really the only one to hate, then... right? =)
481 isn't so hot either, but still way ahead of 430 for sure.

g0dM@n

01-04-07, 08:35 PM

2ns ram, R430 core, just what we expected...should clock like an X800XL, i.e. 430-450 core and 590-610 memory should be doable. Depends on what you need. Its a solid card and should perform pretty well. Equal to a 6800GT , more or less depending on the situation.
isn't the 6800gt better?

6800ultra comparable to x850xt pe
6800gt comparable to x850xt
6800 vanilla comparable to x800/850 pro

thought the x800xl falls in somewhere much lower than the x800/850 xt... 400mhz gpu is WAYYY slower than the slowest 16 pipe ati card next in line, that being the x800xt at 500/500.

the x800xl is a big step back compared to xt if you ask me.

but... i guess the good part in this is that it's a MASTER card. so like i asked before (if anyone knows), would it work with a x800gto flashed to 16 pipes?

would it also work with ANY x800/850 16 pipe card for the matter?

Bal`thzar

01-04-07, 08:45 PM

if you had a crossfire board I would send it to you to test out

isn't the 6800gt better?

6800ultra comparable to x850xt pe
6800gt comparable to x850xt
6800 vanilla comparable to x800/850 pro

thought the x800xl falls in somewhere much lower than the x800/850 xt... 400mhz gpu is WAYYY slower than the slowest 16 pipe ati card next in line, that being the x800xt at 500/500.

the x800xl is a big step back compared to xt if you ask me.

but... i guess the good part in this is that it's a MASTER card. so like i asked before (if anyone knows), would it work with a x800gto flashed to 16 pipes?

would it also work with ANY x800/850 16 pipe card for the matter?

g0dM@n

01-04-07, 08:49 PM

if you had a crossfire board I would send it to you to test out
awww... i wish i did, brother.

as a budget card, i'm sure it'll still kick ass in source... for $75 and the warranty AND xfire upgradeability, it may be quite worth it. you're only really missing out on sm3.0 to be quite honest.

what does xfire x800/850 compare to anyway, a 7900gt (disregarding the loss of sm3.0)?

Gautam

01-04-07, 08:53 PM

isn't the 6800gt better?

6800ultra comparable to x850xt pe
6800gt comparable to x850xt
6800 vanilla comparable to x800/850 pro

Erm, not in my version of the story, OC'ed that is. ;) In that case both X850XT PE and X850XT compare to the 6800 Ultra. I'd think you'd have been through enough X850XT's to realize they clock within 10MHz of PE's most of the time...

And my X800 Pro was certainly ahead of the 6800GT, but it was a gem. Either way as far as I'm concerned, X800XL and X800 Pro will easily hold their own against a 6800GT. For some reason no one ever wanted to believe it, but the Pro's overclockability is extremely strong, and the XL has 4 pipes on the GT. Of course I'm sort of slanted towards ATi...but its completely unfair to put an X850XT on the same level as a 6800GT as it is to put the Pro on the same level as the 6800 vanilla. Heck, the Pro was intended to compete with the 6800GT, and it did just that even at stock.

The X800XL's clock deficiency puts it pretty even with the X800 Pro, but not any lower, I'm sure HousERaT can attest to that. ;)

g0dM@n

01-04-07, 09:08 PM

Erm, not in my version of the story, OC'ed that is. ;) In that case both X850XT PE and X850XT compare to the 6800 Ultra. I'd think you'd have been through enough X850XT's to realize they clock within 10MHz of PE's most of the time...

And my X800 Pro was certainly ahead of the 6800GT, but it was a gem. Either way as far as I'm concerned, X800XL and X800 Pro will easily hold their own against a 6800GT. For some reason no one ever wanted to believe it, but the Pro's overclockability is extremely strong, and the XL has 4 pipes on the GT. Of course I'm sort of slanted towards ATi...but its completely unfair to put an X850XT on the same level as a 6800GT as it is to put the Pro on the same level as the 6800 vanilla. Heck, the Pro was intended to compete with the 6800GT, and it did just that even at stock.

The X800XL's clock deficiency puts it pretty even with the X800 Pro, but not any lower, I'm sure HousERaT can attest to that. ;)
well yes, i did know of the small diff between xt and pe... just felt like sounding smart, and you called me out, lol.

the x850pro comparing to the 6800gt is imaginable, but the x800xl is less imaginable...

oh... in my opinion. :)

but you wouldn't find a 6800gt with warranty for $75 shipped! :)

Reefa_Madness

01-04-07, 10:12 PM

but... i guess the good part in this is that it's a MASTER card. so like i asked before (if anyone knows), would it work with a x800gto flashed to 16 pipes?

would it also work with ANY x800/850 16 pipe card for the matter?

Yes, I believe that the X800GTO[squared] should work as the slave...see my post #24 in this thread. Portion of it copied below:

In general, ATI recommends to use CrossFire Edition cards with corresponding RADEON X800 or X850 chips, however, theoretically RADEON X850 CrossFire should work fine with RADEON X800 cards and RADEON X800 CrossFire will work well with RADEON X850 cards.

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4865297&postcount=24

Bal`thzar,

Did I understand you correctly...based on your post it appears that there wasn't CrossFire cable included to connect the two cards together...is that right?

Per the ATI product page "In the Box" should have included the following items:

Hardware & Cables

RADEON® X800 CrossFire™ Edition 256MB PCI Express® Graphics card
DVI-I TO VGA Adapter
CrossFire™ cable
DVI to HDTV adapter

g0dM@n

01-04-07, 11:07 PM

what the heck if the DVI to HDTV adapter... DVI to component, or DVI to HDMI? that's pretty cool they have that...

my x1800 had the 9pin ati to component iirc... DVI to HDMI is pretty nice... i do that from my cable box to my TV. :)

BossBorot

01-04-07, 11:44 PM

I think that they would use the dvi to component adapter look at post 13 in the pic. It has little switches that allow you to choose what res to output to I think.

Bal`thzar

01-05-07, 12:37 AM

yeah you are right I just emailed them about the cables and adapters and junk. I will give them a call tomorrow to follow up on it.

Yes, I believe that the X800GTO[squared] should work as the slave...see my post #24 in this thread. Portion of it copied below:

In general, ATI recommends to use CrossFire Edition cards with corresponding RADEON X800 or X850 chips, however, theoretically RADEON X850 CrossFire should work fine with RADEON X800 cards and RADEON X800 CrossFire will work well with RADEON X850 cards.

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4865297&postcount=24

Bal`thzar,

Did I understand you correctly...based on your post it appears that there wasn't CrossFire cable included to connect the two cards together...is that right?

Per the ATI product page "In the Box" should have included the following items:

Hardware & Cables

RADEON® X800 CrossFire™ Edition 256MB PCI Express® Graphics card
DVI-I TO VGA Adapter
CrossFire™ cable
DVI to HDTV adapter

Reefa_Madness

01-05-07, 05:08 AM

Well, that's no good...a CF master card, w/o the CF cable, is not really much of a master card, is it?

Hope you getted sorted out quickly.

g0dM@n

01-05-07, 08:32 AM

I think that they would use the dvi to component adapter look at post 13 in the pic. It has little switches that allow you to choose what res to output to I think.
wow, 1st i've seen a gadget like that...

hell i may even have one and not know it. to this day the ONLY accessory i've ever used for any vcard is maybe a molex-pci-e or a vga-dvi adapter...

balthzar, let us know how that goes... that sux they didn't send to you the stuff listed with the package. def have them send it even if you don't need it!! :)

Bal`thzar

01-05-07, 01:16 PM

wow, 1st i've seen a gadget like that...

hell i may even have one and not know it. to this day the ONLY accessory i've ever used for any vcard is maybe a molex-pci-e or a vga-dvi adapter...

balthzar, let us know how that goes... that sux they didn't send to you the stuff listed with the package. def have them send it even if you don't need it!! :)

just got off the phone with them, They were very polite and once I got them over to the webpage for the item and showed them the, Whats in the box, list they put in a request for a short order and I will receiving my confirmation shortly and a shipment.

all things being equal it was very easy dealing with ATI's customer service

though I didn't realize AMD bought them out (must be living under a rock), when did that happen