The Wool over "XP Buyers" eyes

[oc jason]

Is it just me or are all of you upgrading to XP's? Is it because you just want to or because or the performace increase you get.

Well i see people gettin more expensive XP 1500+(1330mhz) and using it to replave there cheap tbird 1330 mhz. To get a performance increase??? This is where i get lost. Why get a cpu that costs more and is hard to unlock, when you get such a little if any of a performance gain.

A post i saw did jus that, replaced tbird with an XP, and cpu got 4404 in sisandra, and i can get that or more at the same speed with my tbird.

Dont get me wrong that is still impressive in its own, just am i missing something with these XP's besides less heat, by a few degrees, yes soem have better overclockabil.ity and come i faster cpus, but to replace a 1330tbird @1600 with a XP 1500@1600 and get the same scores, why that?

my cpu scores

[oc jason]

xp scoes from other post but same speed...and i know all setups are different and that there are some XP rigs that stomp my setup. Due to diff mem bandwidth, and diff mobo's but becasue soem rigs get better scores than mine with an XP id not due to the chip in my opinion, its due to mobo, mem bandwidty and other factors.

[Sonny]

I'm making the switch to the XP1900 or 2000, whichever I can afford, & O/C it as far as it will go to get a substantial gain over my 1.1@1.43GHz. Also living in a furnace:eek: makes anyone look for a cooler running chip. Maybe some people buy it 'cause it's new & would like to say "I got it before you" but who cares.

Have one on me:beer:

[azhari]

I'm not going to buy an XP anytime soon mostly because of the same reasons you mentioned. EXCEPT for one thing. They run cooler. Now think about this. I'm going nuts with the noise level in my puter, and I don't have a Delta screamer. I've been giving some serious thought to putting some sound insulation and modding the fans a bit to make my setup quieter. A cooler running cpu would not need as loud a fan, and the price difference is pretty close to the money I'll be spending on sound insulation and the time I'll be putting into the modding. So a cooler XP could be worth it.

Just my 0.02c.

[RedDeathDrinker]

I sort of agree with Jason there, in that why fork out for a minimal gain in performance?

I went from a PIII 600MHz, so I saw a (bloomin huge!) performance difference. And I'm loving it......!

[bobt17]

well thats my score u posted xp 1500+(1.33ghz)@1.6ghz but i upgraded from an old tbird 1ghz with the 200fsb and the new core of the xp supports SSE as a new feature

[oc jason]

yes it your post, and i hope you dont mind me using u as an example. Under those circumstances it is a good choice, but i DO see people shelling out the bucks for no more speed, and thinking they are getting a big performance gain. It aint happnin

I went from a slot 750@750 to a socket 1330@1530. That too was a big difference

[Dagon]

I have to agree with you there... upgrading a 1ghz+ tbird to a XP is kinda of a waste if you ask me. Hell, my SDRAM scores are 603/665, which according to Sandra is better than some DDR systems. I guess I'm saying that I'll be satisfied with my current system for quite awhile, at least untill the Hammers, or maybe the DDR 333 and t-Bred.

Now, my Vid card... I'm going to buy whatever it takes to play doom3.:burn:

[branney]

i am currently running a duron 800 on an abit kt7a, and it isnt stable with any overclocking (bought without warranty too). i am trying to work out which to get next:

1133 C - £76.04
1333 C - £95.86
1400 XP - £114.49 (XP1600+)

i will not be upgrading again until motherboards and steering wheels with USB2 come out. i have a GF2 ultra, which i am planning to run at 1280x1024 on a TFT monitor. will the 1133 give me enough of a boost to run all the games for the next 6 months, while still maxing out my graphics card?

when is the best time to buy? is it really worth waiting till january, or will i only save 10%?

any opinions on the Jet Cool Premium CPU Cooler? its the most expensive cooler from my supplier (£22) so is it any good?

"Aluminum radial folded fins for maximum heat dispersion area
Copper core for great heat conductivity from processor to fan
Weighs only 200g to minimize mechanical shock and vibration
Special Thumb latch design for easy clip on installation"

[bobt17]

ok jason i just installed the same version of sandra as u because really u shouldent compare results from different versions togather here it is
http://burninangels.clanpages.com/sandra1.6old.jpg

[Luie]

I got a XP 1600+ instead of TB 1.4 is mainly because the XP is only HK$5 more than the TB 1.4.
So it is decided to get the 1600+.
btw, internal mem in the cpu is more than the TB as well as they run cooler.

[oc jason]

glad to see you got some real results with that new version, those seem more correct, cpu is great and mem seems realistic also. I wish everyone would use the same version, cause others are postign mem speeds of liek 2435/2239. That is impossible for any meme out now, even pc800


And still you just proved my point even more, usgin the same version software and a diffrent chip, you got only 30pts more in the cpu bench. Which is not worth the money for the chip to me. In your case it is a great upgrade and well worth it but im just speaking about the ones who get the same speed Xp chip as they had with there tbird chip.

[oc jason]

i think sisandra needs to be slapped for there software i mean look at this pic of you old versino scores, now look at the corect sscores in you post aboue, that is too big of a difference for just one update

[bobt17]

different versions show differnet results its as simple as that really

[bobt17]

btw the reason the new sandra posts higher mem scores is because it uses sse and enhanced mmx along with all that good stuff if supported as far as i can tell u can disable thoes and get mem scores that are similar to with the slightly older sandra version

[oc jason]

right im jsut saying MMX or not, sisandra is at foualt for making so much of a variance in there software, not directed at you in any way

[Silver]

I agree with Jason. I really am not willing to upgrade at this time as it is a good deal of money and I have other problems to straighten out. Should I straighten out the other problems then the potential on a future upgrade becomes that much more. I find that I am competitive with the present chip and at a substantial savings.

[bobt17]

silver, wow i like the look of ur rig from ur sig
how fast does that do work units? thats a nice oc

[bobt17]

oc jason right im jsut saying MMX or not, sisandra is at foualt for making so much of a variance in there software, not directed at you in any way


never thought it wuz directed at me just i dont think its so bad of a thing u arent supposed to cross compare different versions anyway according to them i think

[WarriorII]

I see your point. And I do agree with you. If it's working just fine, WHY replace it????!!!

I must say I put mine in because it was an upgrade and a replacement. My Thunder Chicken died from a 300w Antec power serge.:mad: and now makes a nice key chain:eek:

[namelessone]

yeah definately a waste of money to upgrade if you already have a fast computer .... just look at me. only big plus to spending $200 bucks on an XP is i can run a quieter system instead of strapping 100 decibel deltas to keep my old MP stable.

not really a noticable gain in performance from 1.53 to 1.7 but the numbers make us feel better.

[bobt17]

bragging rights are always nice to have also:burn:

[Fiz]

I upgraded to a 1600+ and have noticed a big diff in some things. Q3 is the biggest one, but even installing windows seemed to go a little faster. I am very happy with the XP's and as the prices come down I plan on buying another one. As soon as I get some more defger repair paint I plan on OCing this thing as well. From what I have seen the lower speed XP's seem to OC very well. I guess if you are looking to upgrade, get the XP, if you don't need to , wait for the new t-breds or hammers.

Fiz

[[D]arklord]

Originally posted by oc jason
Is it just me or are all of you upgrading to XP's? Is it because you just want to or because or the performace increase you get.

Well i see people gettin more expensive XP 1500+(1330mhz) and using it to replave there cheap tbird 1330 mhz. To get a performance increase??? This is where i get lost. Why get a cpu that costs more and is hard to unlock, when you get such a little if any of a performance gain.

A post i saw did jus that, replaced tbird with an XP, and cpu got 4404 in sisandra, and i can get that or more at the same speed with my tbird.

Dont get me wrong that is still impressive in its own, just am i missing something with these XP's besides less heat, by a few degrees, yes soem have better overclockabil.ity and come i faster cpus, but to replace a 1330tbird @1600 with a XP 1500@1600 and get the same scores, why that?

my cpu scores

I agree with your analogy. Really the performance difference will be minimal. Maybe noticeable with SEE enhanced software. Pre fetch may account for a little.

On the whole I believe it a better proposition to wait for the T-Bred . .13 will provide a whole lota lovin. At least give you a better overclock.

On the other hand if you had a slower 'puter then it may be worth it. Or if you want to run cooler.

A lot of it is hype. I've got an AXP. See my sig. So everybody else think's " I gotta have me one of them as well ".

Whether it be peer group or cyber peer group pressure. Remain's a point of conjecture. Ahh...... look just get one. Give some more money to AMD. So they can bring out cool processor's in the future.


:)

[rugby]

I agree that for most people it's not even a factor, I probably will upgrade next year when XP's are cheaper mostly because I want to run at 266mhz fsb, I'm running at 200 now because my Tbirds are 1ghz/200. Oh well, I'm not complaining about 2.2ghz of power. 4ghz would be better of course...:)

[Silver]

Have you tried running those tbirds at 133? Use the jumper on the mobo and then use the fsb settings in bios (assuming that the board has it). I ran my duron 750 on 133 off the board and then adjusted the bus to get more. Ultimitely (sp) got 1120 out of the duron 750.

[rugby]

These are ARGA stepping tbirds. I slowly upped the fsb using CPUFSB and this was the highest I could get. The tyan Tiger MP rev 3 I have usually hits an fsb of 140mhz so I'm WAY below that. This is probably the worst stepping of tbirds ever made so that's why they're in this computer.

[WOlf(JR)]

The memory prefetch and sse instructions really makes a big difference in some things. It is definatley quicker than a tbird. Whether it is worth upgrading to is pure opinion but sisoft doesnt show the true performance increase.

[RangerJoe]

well i upgraded from a p2 350 to a tbird 1.33@1.44, and i cant believe the difference in everything

[Caffinehog]

I got almost the same benchmarks between an 1600XP and a T-bird1200@1400. Yet I found a clear performance increase when I got the XP. I can't explain it. I even timed it. Win2K starts 2-3 seconds faster with the XP, for example.

[Silver]

Originally posted by WOlf(JR)
The memory prefetch and sse instructions really makes a big difference in some things. It is definatley quicker than a tbird. Whether it is worth upgrading to is pure opinion but sisoft doesnt show the true performance increase.

Sure it does, look down at the prrating. T-birds have a real difficult time touching that. One must remember that much of the increase was due to software enhancement that the chip can use, the t-bird cannot. This gives it a desktop feel that is much faster but as far as crunching goes the t-bird can catch the xp in the same speed rating with a light oc. This helps to explain why some are saying that on systems they use for crunching the t-bird is just as fast and is reflected as well in Sisoft.

Just a note, my t-bird 1.4 at 1.72 is prrated somewhere around 2275. I don't know right off hand as I do not have a xp2000 (1.67) but I would bet it is well above that.

[[D]arklord]

Athlon XP or MP @1.73 = PR2527

That's what I achieve with SANDRA 002. Tried to get 1.72 but it comes up as 1726. I could try 10 x 172. Don't want to risk corruption of drive. So 156.99 x 11 = 1726.87.

So the PR rating show's a higher level than the T-Bird. Mostly likely to do with pre fetch.

http://www.arcomnet.net.au/~saskia/1738@158FSBSAN002_CPU.jpg

:)

[NewbiePerson]

you think ur t-bird stepping stinks?
I can just barley get 133mhz... it will restart after a few hours..
Plus comparing on Sandra my t-bird to a regular t-bird at 1ghz my bottom score gets about 800 points lower. (unlocked 850mhz at 7.5*133)
Someone said that maybe because of older cache..
I think I need a new mobo and a nice xp, im gonna wait it out though.. like most of u and wait for prices to drop..
mainly the mobo because of ddr pricing...
Anyways, it stinks my video card will overclock nicely though :-)
Im not sure who suggested that heirachi psu 350w for 48$ at newegg but i got it and that thing rules. I seem to be much more stable now, can't overclock any higher but a lot more stable.. (i'm thinking its a combination of my cpu and mobo holding me back maybe my hdd too tried to go to 140 and it corrupted system files and i had to format that probably can be blamed on my mobo not sure though..)
hasn't restarted yet..

[Caffinehog]

Hey, newB... Try disabling ATA100 or ATA66. Slowing that down might just help your hard drive. Also, have you tried connecting the L7 bridges to up the voltage? Good luck!

[diehrd]

I went to Xp chips cause I wanted 2 of them lol.......had the

[NewbiePerson]

Nope, would it be worth it to disable that though?
Never heard of connecting the l7 bridges though.. i doubt I will try that.
Is there anyway to change my user name? Im tired of being a newb, lol

[Caffinehog]

Well, hard drive speed is only a minor factor in computers. You might try it, and if it doesn't help, or slows things down, then go back.

Connecting the L7 bridges on your T-bird will increase voltage and probably stability. You can do this with a sharp pencil. Here's a guide on it:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q3/000711/amd-01.html

Notice you can also unlock your multiplier by connecting the L1 bridges.

[Caffinehog]

If your processor is unlocked (or you connect the L1 bridges to unlock it) you can (hopefully) change the multiplier in the bios. This will let you push the cpu faster without changing the bus speed OR let you push the bus faster without changing the CPU speed much.

[NewbiePerson]

I had already done the L1 bridges
7.5 133
I had just never heard of the L7 deal..
Anyways thanks