AMD or INTEL for gaming for my dad

[demon-eater]

I wanna build build a system thats decent enough to play games on like RTCW and Quake III and stuff like that without having to worry about heat, crashes and stuff like that... i was thinking about going with a Duron system that i have but i dunno it gets hot with stock cooling and i don't want it to be a noisy system either... so i was thinking maybe a PIII or sumthing but didn't know about cost..

[bobt17]

a duron should run fine with stock hsf and if its not gonna be ocd then as long as the temps dont get near 200F shouldent be that hard heh my duron 800 ran at about 130F with stock cooling no prob

[Menardsguy]

I would go with the duran.
If your worried about heat and noise, have you thought about getting an 60mm to 80mm fan adapter for the heatsink?
I bought one and am getting 30cfm with very little noise.
A place to get one is www.highspeedpc.com

here's a direct link (fan adapter rev 2)
http://www.highspeedpc.com/cat26.htm

[kaikara]

How about a celeron 1.2 made with the new tualatin (sic?) core. I had a couple at work and with stock cooling and no voltage adjustments they did 1.55ghz no problem. I even installed windows on the one set like that with no errors. The temps i saw were from the bios and were aroung the mid 30's. this was with stock cooling. I would guess with a slight voltage jump these thinsg would run 1.6-1.7 no problem at that speed they would spank a 2ghz P4 except in memory bandwidth. Obviously cost is higher then duron but so is the performance.

kaikara

Originally posted by demon-eater
I wanna build build a system thats decent enough to play games on like RTCW and Quake III and stuff like that without having to worry about heat, crashes and stuff like that... i was thinking about going with a Duron system that i have but i dunno it gets hot with stock cooling and i don't want it to be a noisy system either... so i was thinking maybe a PIII or sumthing but didn't know about cost..

[bobt17]

compare a 1.2ghz duron with a 1.2ghz celeron and the duron will come out on top
also i think the 1.2ghz duron with the morgan core supports sse witch will help the gameing performance even more

[demon-eater]

thanks guys.. now i just have to figure out where im getting the money to do this

[kaikara]

Well i agree a stock levels it does but he was asking for the coolest solution not necessesary the fastest solution. From what i have seen temps on the 1.2 celeron are way lower then the duron. Also the duron cannot overclock nearly as high as the .13 core of the celeron 1.2 and you need more extensive cooling to get it there because of heat concerns. Take a look under the overclockers database they have a listing for the 1.1 duron morgan core and the fastest it got was 1400 and that was with watercooling and 2.05v. The fact that you can overclock the celeron close to 350mhz under stock cooling, with no voltage increase, and minimal heat increases means that you have a chip that comes close the the performance of the higher end p4s and XP's for minimal cost and heat. The only minus is a slightly higher cost but if you overclock it the permorance increase more then justifies it. And in terms of what he was asking for I think this would be an overall better solution.

Originally posted by bobt17
compare a 1.2ghz duron with a 1.2ghz celeron and the duron will come out on top
also i think the 1.2ghz duron with the morgan core supports sse witch will help the gameing performance even more

[trey_w]

if you want a chip that will last longer, go with the celly

the duron will more than likely melt and burn up on you

AMD chips are bad about heat issues, although the new XP chips are making a move in the right direction

thats the major reason corporations still use intel,

because the intels are more reliable right now right out of the box with OEM cooling.

and i'm sure i will get some AMD nut that doesn't like this post,

probably telling me if i do this and that the duron will be fine.

yes, if you add enough extra cooling and don't use the OEM HSF, you stand a better chance of the AMD lasting longer

but what corporation is going to take all there cases apart and add this type of stuff

i work on computers everyday as a tech, so when i say the AMD will probably burn up, i mean it

my point is, while the duron will be cheaper in price, it may cost you more in the long run because of having to add the extra cooling or even replacing hardware sooner

Intel all the way, but AMD is breathing down there necks with the new XP chips

[kaikara]

Good post - I agree. I work in an intel only enviroment at work and used intel stuff at home until my last system. Personally i use what i think is best for the situation - for work desktops it is pIII or celerons. For me at home right now I have an AMD XP. It spanks the p4 2ghz in everything that I do for half the cost. Life expectancy is not a big deal because I will probably have it for 6months - 1 year and then get rid of it and get something newer. In 6 months I might get the die shrunk p4 or the new AMD stuff - who knows. I think it is crazy to latch on to one maker.


Originally posted by trey_w
if you want a chip that will last longer, go with the celly

the duron will more than likely melt and burn up on you

AMD chips are bad about heat issues, although the new XP chips are making a move in the right direction

thats the major reason corporations still use intel,

because the intels are more reliable right now right out of the box with OEM cooling.

and i'm sure i will get some AMD nut that doesn't like this post,

probably telling me if i do this and that the duron will be fine.

yes, if you add enough extra cooling and don't use the OEM HSF, you stand a better chance of the AMD lasting longer

but what corporation is going to take all there cases apart and add this type of stuff

i work on computers everyday as a tech, so when i say the AMD will probably burn up, i mean it

my point is, while the duron will be cheaper in price, it may cost you more in the long run because of having to add the extra cooling or even replacing hardware sooner

Intel all the way, but AMD is breathing down there necks with the new XP chips

[branney]

As i discovered the other day, if you want a cheap, fast gaming system, and not too noisy, a Duron 1200 (£70) with an Antec Jet-Cool (£20) is not a bad option. The cooler is only average in the temperature department, but it is rated to 1500mhz. AND, it is significantly QUIETER than the other fans i saw in a roundup of 10 coolers (32dBa). also comes in intel flavours