Non conductive child safe coolant ??

[ahbroody]

Well we have a toddler and he loves daddys computer and now with the hoses he has found something new he wants to try to touch. So I know there is child/pet safe coolant and I know there is nonconductive coolant, but is there a coolant that combines these 2 features?

If so please post who sells it and has in stock as I need to buy it asap.

Ahbroody

[Gunlance]

keep the side panels on? I believe there is a sticky in the WC section that goes in details on some of the coolants. I specifically remeber the Primochill stuff being fda approved. Although i wouldn't wanna try it. Why not just use straight distilled water with 1 drop of iodine?

[darkcow]

keep the side panels on? I believe there is a sticky in the WC section that goes in details on some of the coolants. I specifically remeber the Primochill stuff being fda approved. Although i wouldn't wanna try it. Why not just use straight distilled water with 1 drop of iodine?

yea, drinking iodine won't kill you, yea your probably going to want to call poision control immediately but in a small amount it should be ok.

i suggest either a) get the water cooling out of there b) remove the computer from the reach of the toddler (put it in a locked room or put it in a cabinate or something)

if i had a child i wouldn't take the chance. i'd make sure its child proof. my computer is pretty much that right now. i say good luck for a 10 year old or younger to figure out getting my side off.

[ahbroody]

I am not so concearned about him getting in with the side panel on. I was more worried about a leak. I guess I will try the distilled water route with a little anti bacteria. I did want non conductive though. I checked the stickys and used search and coudnt find both things I wanted. Maybe I missed it as I skimmed it I will go back and check the stickies again.

Ahbroody

[ghettocomp]

At many automotive parts stores they sell a reasonably safe radiator
coolant may by a company, "Sierra" (http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/benefit.html) I believe. It was made
to be pet safe, as well as environmentally safe. It should pretty much
do the job for you too.

Still though, I would be putting the computer out of reach no matter
what. It quickly becomes an attractive nusance to small children that
get curious, it wont be just the pretty colored water tubes that will
attract toddlers...

:eek:where are my HD Cables?!?

Edit: gave linky to Sierra products (http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/benefit.html) page. :)

[ahbroody]

I love it I am a 3rd year law student and you jut used the term attractive nusiance. Hellooooooooooo first year torts class flashback.

I know about sierra, but I believe it is conductive. O well I think I am stuck as cant have cake and eat it to. Yeah I know about things disappearing my son is 15 months and captain explorer. Speaking of he managed to loose my wifes bluetooth headset at the store today and now I get to buy a new one :(

Ahbroody

[ahbroody]

aaaaaaaa hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
http://www.xoxide.com/fluid-xp-extreme-coolant-blue.html

Says non toxic and non conductive. Again I will be keeping this out of the reach of my son, but still. ooooooo andits uv reactive. Yeah1!!!!!!!!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/ahbroody/xoxide_1938_2660548.jpg

"composed of all ingredients recognized and approved by the FDA as safe food based ingredients."
There goes my business idea. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So sweet they sell it at SVC which is local to me and has will call. Sweeeeeeeeeet will be picking this up monday
http://www.svc.com/fxpextmb32.html

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/ahbroody/P1010512.jpg

[ghettocomp]

I love it I am a 3rd year law student and you jut used the term attractive nusiance. Hellooooooooooo first year torts class flashback.

I know about sierra, but I believe it is conductive. O well I think I am stuck as cant have cake and eat it to. Yeah I know about things disappearing my son is 15 months and captain explorer. Speaking of he managed to loose my wifes bluetooth headset at the store today and now I get to buy a new one :(

Ahbroody

LOL ... anyhow, I dont think you will find the words child safe, and
non-conductive in the same product though.. Just gave you a better
solution (no pun intended) to work with :)

and any of the non conductive coolants you do find will soon become
conductive. sooo... best choice is not always the most convenient one. :)

[wannaoc]

I had to totally redesign my computer in preparation for my baby girl. I never ran sides or fan guards before but both were an absolute necessity after. At first I got away with nothing because she couldn't get up and reach anything but as soon as crawling and especially after walking both had to be added. As far as fan guards I had to make mine out of house gutter guards and bondo, it keeps the little fingers out while not making too much noise or blocking much air. As far as liquid I use plain ol' distilled water and the normal anti-nasties/build-up stuff that I have always used I just keep the side on. I had to get used to the fans being a little more powerful/louder because the extra cooling from the side being off was gone but that was easy.

Also its a good idea to take all the lights and lighted fans out. They just draw attention. :)

[Moto7451]

Well we have a toddler and he loves daddys computer and now with the hoses he has found something new he wants to try to touch. So I know there is child/pet safe coolant and I know there is nonconductive coolant, but is there a coolant that combines these 2 features?

If so please post who sells it and has in stock as I need to buy it asap.

Ahbroody

Distilled water. It's just as nonconductive as more expensive fluids and becomes as conductive as they do just as quickly (the mere fact that fluid circulates in the loop will cause some metal ions to go into suspension). Just make sure you're using an all copper loop.

That said if you feel like wasting your money, you can get FluidXP from danger den or SVC. Its apparently drinkable. Its downside though is that it will become conductive eventually (just as quickly as distilled) and it would be less expensive to fill your rig with gas (don't even think about it).

[ahbroody]

hhahahah cool then I guess i will just buy a few jugs of distilled at the store tonight and pick up a little antibacteria stuff. I didnt know that the nonconductive becomes conductive. the wife is already lookig at me funny over my whole latest venture so I guess this is better anyways.

Ahbroody

[Moto7451]

Indeed. Also most of those "nonconductive" fluids lack an antibacterial. In all honesty once you leak test, unless you cut a line intentionally, you're not going to have any problems and even if you get a leak while leak testing, the distilled is not conductive and evaporates quickly.

[NightFire]

The FluidXP+ that you linked is VERY good.... Toms Hardware did an article with it and said it outperformed any other cooling fluid. I found it after an accident with my water cooling system (don't put waste fluid into a Mt. Dew bottle...)

It's not cheap though.... I have a gallon I bought for 129.00 USD

[Mycobacteria]

So are we willing to bet someones life on this stuff????

Maybe you should fill up a small bath tub with some fulid xp, then jump in with a live toaster.... I bet you would still cook.... but we wont know untill someone actually tries.

[NightFire]

There is a review of FluidXP+ here too, pure water was 1*C cooler at 100 watts.

[speed bump]

theres stuff called RV antifreeze and its fairly non-toxic IE your toddler could drink a fair amount of your loop and be fine.

As far as non-conductive forget it, within a week its an okay conductor.

[myndlessdayz]

water =]


EDIT: oh wait you said NON-conductive

[Big Mike]

I don't know about conductivity, but USP Glycol is completely safe to drink, McDonalds actually uses it to flash freeze their fries, and its used in fire protection systems in freezing areas to ensure that if any gets back into the water system it won't be a hazard. Most of those "safe antifreeze" things are glycol of some variety or another.

Edit: Vegetable oil would also qualify and is non conductive, however its cooling properties are poor, in large enough quantities it would probably work, see Tom's Hardware's fully imersed vegie oil cooled silent PC for reference.

[Moto7451]

Vegie oil doesn't really work well in our systems because it will turn rancid. Also isn't RV Antifreeze for the drinking water system? I don't think that it would include the anticorrosives of regular antifreeze then. It's most likely just propylene glycol (the nicer, safer cousin of ethylene glycol).

Actually, if you picked up some pet safe propylene glycol based antifreeze you could make your own version of Fluid XP ;).

[voigts]

Your best route is going to be the propylene glycol/distilled water/biocide route.

[Alien1099]

Engine Ice, which you can buy at a motorcycle shop or ATV store/shop is supposed to be non poisonous. However, do yourself a favor and keep your side panels on. You are only focusing on the poisonous aspects of anti freeze. You don't even need anti freeze if you are using all like metals. Second off pulling off a tube would fry the computer, could possibly shock/electrocute the baby and could start a fire.

Anything that can be potentially dangerous to a child should be kept out of their reach. Period. Just use your head and you'll be fine.

You will not be able to find a respectable and practical cooling medium that is non conductive. Water is your best bet and water will always become conductive once it's been running in a loop. It's just the way it is.

[Maviryk]

Distilled water. It's just as nonconductive as more expensive fluids and becomes as conductive as they do just as quickly (the mere fact that fluid circulates in the loop will cause some metal ions to go into suspension). Just make sure you're using an all copper loop.

That said if you feel like wasting your money, you can get FluidXP from danger den or SVC. Its apparently drinkable. Its downside though is that it will become conductive eventually (just as quickly as distilled) and it would be less expensive to fill your rig with gas (don't even think about it).

QFT.

Distilled water + Iodine is nonconductive for about 2 weeks, the same as fluid XP.

The only reason you need to worry about using antifreeze+water mix is because antifreeze tastes sweet, add in a little Iodine and it will taste nasty and bitter. (Personal experience here, I was siphoning mixture out some from a 1 gallon jug and sucked a little too hard...)