OUCH !

[WarriorII]

Summer is coming waaay tooo fast.

This months electric bill has shown that the $$ went up quite a bit from this time last year.

The monthly amount used really isn't that bad, it's what they are charging me for it is what is gonna kill me if it continues!!!! :eek:

2 Borgs are going to have to come down off of 24/7/365 use. :cry:

With the super short dead lines of SMP, I'll end up keeping that one up.
& that is the one that uses the most electric! (Intel 805DC) :bang head

I'm going to have to find a more efficent way for Folding.

Wifes wants them off unless being used - anytime.
I am turning them on during off-peak hours.

(Fight - fight! :p ) It's for what I believe in.

So, begining 1st thing tomorrow AM, some of the rigs will be down. :(

All you guys flashing your high beams at me, nows your chance to fly on by.

:beer: :beer:

So, untill I gtet the wife working more :D until I find some different equipment that runs on less juice...

I gotta do what I gotta do.

Fold On !!!
:attn:

[ihrsetrdr]

I feel your pain; it's a constant thorn-in-the-side for wives, which in turn is a constant thorn-in-the-side for the husbund/folder. :rolleyes:

[Shelnutt2]

*cracks nuckles*

Do I love the joy of having a E6300 at 3.3GHz. Use less or probably about the same electric as your 805 at stock clocks and can produce 1.5-2K PPD.

You know it'd be kinda symbolic for me to pass you during the summer. You passed me last summer because a) you flat out had me beat, and b) I had to reduce clocks due to summer heat.

Here is to (trying to) win the lottery:beer: :beer:




ROFL I just noticed you post exactly at 8:05 :p.

[psyshack]

We put our nat. gas and electric bills on the monthly ave. programs. Took the highs and lows out of the seasonal swings. They are now a solid budget item.

I'm sorry you have to shut down some of your machines.

I whine about my wife at times. Hell I just did in another thread. LOL,,, But she really is a good gal and never tells me what to do. She firmly believes a man's home is his place of refuge and peace. And he need not be challenged or otherwise told what to do. Shes real cool old school.

Funny,,, I set here and look at a Abit NF7 not cased with a 80mm tornado screaming away. With a XPM-2500 very happy at 2.4 ghz 100% cpu load. Patriot ram at 2-2-2-5. And know its days are numbered. These older war horse's really do need to be shut down. They cant do near the work in 24 hours that my new stuff can and they use more power.

I was going to retire the northy this weekend. But the wife thought we needed a new bed. so there went the rat hole build money. OOOOO-well.

I do understand the need to shut stuff down. I have two rigs that need to be turned off. Just cant make myself pull the plug.

psy

[Silver]

Reminds me to call the electric company and find out the date that the 'summer' rates go into effect. Caught me last year to the tune of nearly $300 when it went into effect (%50) increase. I am also looking at some 'green power' low power psus and the e4300's. Twelve systems, it is time to add the thirteenth and time to start looking at power savings.

[davekusa]

Green PSU.? Are thoes the ones that at above 80% effeciency?

[z0n3]

Yep.

[Silver]

Green PSU.? Are thoes the ones that at above 80% effeciency?

Or so I hear. Gotta get the power down on these rigs. What ya think, e4300 and look for 3 to 3.2 Ghz. Very basic vid. 380 to 400 watts on the psu?

[davekusa]

I got a Enhance that says 80+ on it. Nice PSU. Stable rails.

[Silver]

I got a Enhance that says 80+ on it. Nice PSU. Stable rails.

Green power. Are you oc'ing on it? What model? Noticed your points look to be up as well. SMP/Linux worked out? Looks like I may have my first ever 10k day. Back on topic. I of course would like to know the model and if you are pushing it any.

[WarriorII]

Yeah, the Bills up to $200 on the monthly average.

It's slightly up from last year.

Not out of line for having 4 home rigs going full tilt, 24/7 though. :D

C2D has been on my mind a lot lately.

Maybe it'll replace the AMD single core *shrugs* I like the feel of 4ghz for a gaming / Folding rig.

Mehhh..... we'll see.

I just need to her to start doing her part again around here.

[William Hung]

Core Duo and Core 2 Duo Mobile. 30-35W a processor and fast folding! On OC you might hit 50-55W. That's nothing! I can power my T7600 at 3.2Ghz with an old X1300 vid card and a HDD with a 200W power supply and have cycles to spare. Just hard to find boards. Asus and AOpen are the two that I've used.

[ghettocomp]

Summer is coming waaay tooo fast.

This months electric bill has shown that the $$ went up quite a bit from this time last year.

The monthly amount used really isn't that bad, it's what they are charging me for it is what is gonna kill me if it continues!!!!

2 Borgs are going to have to come down off of 24/7/365 use.

With the super short dead lines of SMP, I'll end up keeping that one up.
& that is the one that uses the most electric! (Intel 805DC)

I'm going to have to find a more efficent way for Folding.

Wifes wants them off unless being used - anytime.
I am turning them on during off-peak hours.

(Fight - fight! :p ) It's for what I believe in.

So, begining 1st thing tomorrow AM, some of the rigs will be down. :(

All you guys flashing your high beams at me, nows your chance to fly on by.



So, untill I gtet the wife working more :D until I find some different equipment that runs on less juice...

I gotta do what I gotta do.

Fold On !!!
:attn:

Hey, its all why I have mine locked in a closet :p:
teh wife cant get into that. :D: and actually is kinda afraid of it :D:

[muddocktor]

I feel your pain, WII. My last electric bill was a small one; less than $350.:rolleyes: In the summer it gets closer to the $500-550 range with 8-9 rigs going. But going with Conroe can definitely save some money though over your old P-D furnaces. My main rig is presently set at 3.3 running 1.3875v vcore and with a 7900GTX in it and the APC UPS software is showing power draw of right under 250 watts while crunching. I haven't checked the DC AMD rigs but I bet they are drawing a bit more than that. My socket 754 systems probably draw close to that too since they are old clawhammer cores and I'm pumping the volts to them for overclocking. I imagine my most efficient rig power-wise is the Dothan system but it's a single core system with limits on efficient folding with the present clients. It does well with BOINC though.

[GigaHertzAddict]

Yeah, the Bills up to $200 on the monthly average.

It's slightly up from last year.

Not out of line for having 4 home rigs going full tilt, 24/7 though. :D

C2D has been on my mind a lot lately.

Maybe it'll replace the AMD single core *shrugs* I like the feel of 4ghz for a gaming / Folding rig.

Mehhh..... we'll see.

I just need to her to start doing her part again around here.

You can get a E4300 overclock to 2.4GHz and undervolt it as low as it will go.
I'm thinking of doing the same thing. Pentium D's use a lot of juice.

[WarriorII]

I got to thinking, the Mrs hasn't worked since Christmas......

The bill going up is NOT my machines !!!! (just the Heat from them)

It's her keeping the TV on all day with the surround sound going @ full blast!
:mad: :mad: I'm not kidding either. :(

The flat pannel we have puts out a noticable amount of heat. (=watts used)

But my P-D doen't help either. Time to stuff it into a case I guess. :shrug:

@mudd
my rig is set to 1.28v & pencil tricked. >reads 1.40v in BIOS.

@ghetto
I still want to score you those alu server racks!

[||Console||]

WII dont worry once she is back working and she see the scarfices you made for her during the time im sure she will be fine with a new toy for your self =)

I have been waiting for months for my gf to finish school so she can start working she hasnt worked since the OCT , because of that we have been tight on $ , that means no Internet/phone @ my house and no new toys ( i got a new gfx card but it was used 100$ cnd and i sold off a few things to pay for it ) Today is her last day @ the work term I cant waite till she gets her first paycheck as a PCA Will be ordering my 10mb internet + digy cable + unlimited long distance digy phone =) so that means I will get to add the 4400+ @ 2.8ghz that i have @ home that isnt folding ,

[silent bob]

I dont know if you guys are doing this or not , but I have changed all teh light bulbs to teh curly ones , yeah they take a milisecond longer to turn on but using 7 watts as opposed to 40 watts ? its a no brainer for me , I have been able to save on my electric bill well not really save just keep it the same and add more rigs . something to consider .

[Jon]

I dont know if you guys are doing this or not , but I have changed all teh light bulbs to teh curly ones , yeah they take a milisecond longer to turn on but using 7 watts as opposed to 40 watts ? its a no brainer for me , I have been able to save on my electric bill well not really save just keep it the same and add more rigs . something to consider .

I've been doing the exact same thing as my regular bulbs burn out. They cost a little more up front, but last much longer and the savings on electricity really adds up (especially when you have a wife that leaves lights on all the time :rolleyes: ).

[silent bob]

(especially when you have a wife that leaves lights on all the time :rolleyes: ).

or kids :bang head :bang head :bang head

[Jon]

or kids :bang head :bang head :bang head

LOL Mine can't reach the switches yet, thankfully!

[dz_jad]

oh yeah, really...
sheesh, every time I leave a room, the lights go out. If I'm in a room, I usually have the lights off, unless its night time. Rest of my family doesnt really get the point of turning off the mini-space heaters when they're not used for light

[AlabamaCajun]

Know what you all mean!
I'll soon drop back to 3 dualies and 1 single. I'll probably drop the VCore to the low end and low oc where I can find a stable balance. I've been replacing the bulps with twisties for some time no. I'm up to 4, 3 of which stay on all the time. Kitchen is FL so that only leaves the stove. TVs, still have the 250-350 watters but we only run one for 2-4 hours but the 250watter is on 7. Monitors are still glass. I run mine for 6 hours/night, wife 14 (she gets the first flat panel). Both heatpumps get a cleaning this year along with some repairs and insulation in places where the house leaks. Then later this year 4 cores become the norm!

[WarriorII]

I thought you guys were replacing the twisties with LED bulbs?

I was thinking about that too.
I have a lot of the Halogen bulbs already. 15w in the hallways & cieling lights.

Who was running the LED bulbs?

[dz_jad]

Them LED bulbs, a little while ago, really wern't that good...lemme grab the link I posted a while back, a good explanation of different bulbs and comparisons in general

**http://otherpower.com/otherpower_lighting.html
They say that in 2006 something or other is getting better with them LED bulbs, I didnt read it, just skimmed quickly

[WarriorII]

Good artile. quick read too. easy to understand. simple terms.

LEDS would be great if I can find them now. > google/homedepot. :)

Time for a change. - of a few things.

:attn:


EDIT:

I'm just gonna have to go to the store & look it seems.
Not everything can be done online. :( :p
BTW, Lowes has a better selection.

[drshivas]

I thought you guys were replacing the twisties with LED bulbs?

I was thinking about that too.
I have a lot of the Halogen bulbs already. 15w in the hallways & cieling lights.

Who was running the LED bulbs?

I've switched often-used lighting in my house to CFL (compact fluorescent lighting) bulbs. I've seen a big drop in the electric bill- on the order of 15-25%.

[WarriorII]

I've switched often-used lighting in my house to CFL (compact fluorescent lighting) bulbs. I've seen a big drop in the electric bill- on the order of 15-25%.


CFL=twisties

:D

[||Console||]

lol twisties is what my GF calls the ditsy girls

[WarriorII]

Bahahahaha.....

I just went thru the Tech Doc over @ the Intel site & found out that @ stock clocks, the 805 & 820 P-D cpus put out/ use 95W !

C2D is next up on my list.

[silent bob]

Bahahahaha.....

I just went thru the Tech Doc over @ the Intel site & found out that @ stock clocks, the 805 & 820 P-D cpus put out/ use 95W !

C2D is next up on my list.

OUCH !

I guess the title of this thread is very appropriate

[William Hung]

C2D is 65W, except for the X6800 which is 75W. All in stock form.
C2D Mobile is 35W
CD is 31W
QX is 130W! :)

[||Console||]

my 4400+ is 110w @ stock i wonder what it is @ 2.8 or 3.0

[WarriorII]

my rig is set to 1.28v & pencil tricked. >reads 1.40v in BIOS.

This is done with the pencil trick list in the other forum here. (motherboards/Ausu/P5DW2-Prem)

Stock is 1.30v I believe. So 1.28 is undervolted and then it shows up as 1.4 in the BIOS.


What is your 4400 @?

Got buns? I'll bring the weenies. :D

I'm thinking about the E6300.

[||Console||]

@ 2.8 1.6v @ 3ghz 1.7v

[WarriorII]

@ 2.8 1.6v @ 3ghz 1.7v


Wow.

[WarriorII]

I did some testing with a special TIM, and had to run 1.7v for an extended period, and I think I hurt a cpu running @ that voltage.

(watercooled too)

The TIM worked semi-well afterwards, but only for about a week. :(

So back to AS5 I went.
But all that is another story for bedtime on another day.

[Audioaficionado]

Well my DH800 dual Xeon retired itself last month LOL and now I'm saving about 5-6kW per day with my new and cheap ASRock C2D SMP_FAH rig and it's putting out 5-6 times the PPD.

That Xeon rig was heating my room in the winter and it's noticeably colder now LOL.

Now that the 2nd C2D rig is up, I've been holding ~2kPPD.

I think the total kWh between both machines is still less than the 300PPD 4xPattymelt DH800.

Those ASRock boards are cheap and you can use all your old stuff with your new shiny C2D folding SMP_FAH 24/7.

[muddocktor]

One thing a lot of you are forgetting when comparing Intel's rated TDP numbers and the actual max TDP numbers on Netburst chips. Here's an interesting quote from this page (http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm), and the author pulled this data from Intel's white papers.

The Estimated Max Power Dissipation numbers are based on the fact that Intel estimates the power dissipation for various software applications and sets the Thermal Design Point as the upper limit for how far these applications might push the Pentium 4. Intel states: "Processor power dissipation simulations indicate a maximum application power in the range of 75% of the maximum power for a given frequency." So the Est Max Power Diss was calculated by dividing the TDP by 75%. However, it's unlikely the CPU will reach its maximum power dissipation since the processor will throttle down the CPU speed as it reaches past certain temperatures. And in the event of a catastrophic cooling failure (i.e. leaving off the heatsink), it would completely shut down the CPU.

So Intel actually derates the actual Max TDC by 25% in the hope that our apps can't properly keep the pipeline full on Prescott, Smithfield and Pressler processors (actually all netburst based processors), but I think that the way we run them with our various distributed computing projects we keep them much closer to 100% with keeping the pipeline full. Add to the fact that a lot of us (most of us) use a much uprated cooling solution over stock that eliminates throttling since we keep our systems under load all the time and you end up with an actual power usage by the processor closer to 125 watts on an 805 or 820 than the nominal 95 watt rating.

It also looks like Intel does basically the same thing with the Core architecture processors, but they don't state how much they actually derate the max TDC. I figure they must derate 10-15% on Conroe but haven't found definite proof anywhere yet.

[WarriorII]

I read something like that earlier. - good stuff :thup:

I also read that when we oc a chip, with thermal throttling , you are shutting it off.
But the overtemp shutdown still works. ( I found that one out the hard way :bang head )