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scoobydoo
02-21-07, 02:56 AM
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/5060095
37" Olevia is now $599 at frys
and sorry I meant $599+shipping, my bad
shipping is $18.50 for me so it is still a great deal
omg... i'm VERY tempted... damnit!! and i came across this the other day (unless it was yesterday) when i was messing around with google, froggle, and pricegrabber.
still looking for HDTV for my gf for her bday in April. I'm afraid to wait til beginning of April... what if no deals pop up then? I guess I'll take my chances cuz 1.5 months from now, prices still may be less. <fingers crossed> And I'm thinking of possible going 42" 1080p... grrr $$$ :(
DanDrop
02-21-07, 12:20 PM
I'll wait if i were you. Prices on these things are dropping fast. However, i highly doubt you'll see a 42" 1080p at the $600 price range in a couple of months. :)
I'll wait if i were you. Prices on these things are dropping fast. However, i highly doubt you'll see a 42" 1080p at the $600 price range in a couple of months. :)
yeah i know that, lol... the westinghouse is about $1300-1400 for the 1080p 42", so hopefully that price drops a bit... i wouldn't mind spending $1000 for a 42" 1080p... that's my goal... it's not TOO much to ask, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed... i'm going to have trouble typing b/c of that.
Bal`thzar
02-21-07, 01:05 PM
in for one, ordered one for my dad from tiger direct about 2 weeks ago for $100 more.
I am such a pig I mean I have a 32 and a 26 already but I guess my living room is getting an upgrade <shrug> it happens
JustChill
02-21-07, 01:41 PM
I purchased this deal about a month ago and I could,nt be any more happy with my purchase. I moved out of my old house where my roomy had a 50" 1080p plasma and I gotta say I dont see a huge dif. in performance. I love this tv and have no complaints as of yet. I will post some pics if anyone would like but yall are ganna have to wait a little as my htpc is still under construction...... ohh and frys was great with shipping. even showed up a day early :)
DanDrop
02-21-07, 02:45 PM
yeah i know that, lol... the westinghouse is about $1300-1400 for the 1080p 42", so hopefully that price drops a bit... i wouldn't mind spending $1000 for a 42" 1080p... that's my goal... it's not TOO much to ask, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed... i'm going to have trouble typing b/c of that.
Lol, yeah I'm also waiting for the Westinghouse 42" or 37" 1080p to drop down some more.
is a 37" considerably bigger than the 32"?? maybe i'll upgrade my 32" lol.
I.M.O.G.
02-21-07, 03:17 PM
is a 37" considerably bigger than the 32"?? maybe i'll upgrade my 32" lol.
If my calculations are correct, its about 15% larger... unless I forgot to carry a 1 somewhere... :shrug:
I think he knew it was literally bigger, but instead looking for mental justification.
Sometimes things look bigger than they really are.
aaronjb
02-21-07, 04:10 PM
Lol, yeah I'm also waiting for the Westinghouse 42" or 37" 1080p to drop down some more.
They may drop a bit, but AFAIK they've stopped production on the current 42" and 37" models to focus on the new 42-, 47- and 52-inch models. So the holiday sales in December may have been as low as you'll see the Westinghouse models drop. If you see a good price now, I'd grab it.
If my calculations are correct, its about 15% larger... unless I forgot to carry a 1 somewhere... :shrug:
NOW YOU GOT ME ALL EXCITED... i'm gonna whip out my math skillz...
a^2 + b^2 = c^2
16:10 ratio ==> a=(16/10)b
37":
==> (16b/10)^2 + b^2 = 37^2
b = 19.6
a = (16/10)*(19.6) = 31.4
Area = (1/2)bh = .5*31.4*19.6 = 307.7 in squared
32":
==> (16b/10)^2 + b^2 = 32^2
b = 16.9
a = (16/10)*(16.9) = 27.0
Area = (1/2)bh = .5*27*16.9 = 228.1 in squared
% Difference =
(307.7-228.1)/(228.1) = 34.9%
A 37" TV is 34.9% bigger than a 32" TV
Am I right?? I just did this real quick cuz I'm at work wrapping up.
*edit*
Crap... I forgot... HDTV is 16:9 ratio, whereas computer LCDs are 16:10 ratio... DAMNIT I HATE HOW THEY DO THAT!! Now I have to do it all over again....
FudgeNuggets
02-21-07, 05:45 PM
If anyone ever finds this magical, mystical, mythical $1k 42" 1080p let me know because it'll be MINE!!! I can wait a few months ;)
BossBorot
02-21-07, 06:24 PM
note;
a = (16/9)b
(16/9)^2 = 256/81
(256/81)b^2 + (81/81)b^2 = (337/81)b^2 = c^2
[(c^2)/(337/81)]^.5 = [[81(c^2)]/337]^.5
32"; b = 15.7", a = 27.9", area = base(height)* = a(b) = 438 inches^2
37"; b = 18.1", a = 32.2", area = base(height)* = a(b) = 583 inches^2
42"; b = 20.6", a = 36.6", area = base(height)* = a(b) = 754 inches^2
37" vs 32"; [(583-438)/(438)]100 = 37" is 33% larger then 32"
42" vs 37"; [(754-583)/(583)]100 = 42" is 29% larger then 37"
42" vs 32"; [(754-438)/(438)]100 = 42" is 72% larger then 32"
* we are calculating the area of a rectangle not a triangle however due to how the compairison fomula works the final difference computed is the same
omg... i cannot believe i was doing a triangle... i forgot basic math!!!
and the funny thing is i aced all 3 NY regents exams, AND was in honors math... i did calcI and II b4 i graduated high school. I aced all calc...
Now I feel like the biggest ****** in the freakin' world... but thx for clarifying..
I kept staring at the .5bh that i wrote... it looked funny for a sec, but oh well. lol
thx for doing 16:9... now we have answers for both PC WS monitors and HDTVs. :)
Bal`thzar
02-21-07, 08:47 PM
omg... i cannot believe i was doing a triangle... i forgot basic math!!!
and the funny thing is i aced all 3 NY regents exams, AND was in honors math... i did calcI and II b4 i graduated high school. I aced all calc...
Now I feel like the biggest ****** in the freakin' world... but thx for clarifying..
I kept staring at the .5bh that i wrote... it looked funny for a sec, but oh well. lol
thx for doing 16:9... now we have answers for both PC WS monitors and HDTVs. :)
that being said,
just buy the damn thing
PerlAddict
02-21-07, 09:20 PM
You really never know with the prices on flatscreens here lately. I nabbed a 50" Panny plasma on Black Friday for $1,699 + tax ... a couple of weeks ago, it "came down" to $1,850 and the deal made it to the front page of SlickDeals.net. Thought that was funny, since when I found it for $1,699 and posted about it, it just kinda flew under the radar.
You really never know with the prices on flatscreens here lately. I nabbed a 50" Panny plasma on Black Friday for $1,699 + tax ... a couple of weeks ago, it "came down" to $1,850 and the deal made it to the front page of SlickDeals.net. Thought that was funny, since when I found it for $1,699 and posted about it, it just kinda flew under the radar.
what res? that's INSANE... panasonic plasma is the real deal! :D
PerlAddict
02-22-07, 09:47 AM
It's a TH-50PX60U. 1366x768 for the res. You won't find many 50" Plasma's out at 1080p right now, and if you do, you'll probably have to sell your car to afford one. :D
It's a TH-50PX60U. 1366x768 for the res. You won't find many 50" Plasma's out at 1080p right now, and if you do, you'll probably have to sell your car to afford one. :D
hmmm...
you guys think a 37" 1080p looks considerably better than 720p on 37"? A friend of mine told me that 1080p isn't shown much over 720p unless you get at least a 40" screen... supposedly he read that there was a real life side-by-side comparison of a 37" 720p to a 1080p.... supposedly...
FudgeNuggets
02-22-07, 10:37 AM
hmmm...
you guys think a 37" 1080p looks considerably better than 720p on 37"? A friend of mine told me that 1080p isn't shown much over 720p unless you get at least a 40" screen... supposedly he read that there was a real life side-by-side comparison of a 37" 720p to a 1080p.... supposedly...
That is supposedly true, but beauty/pixels is in the eye of the beholder too I guess.
aaronjb
02-22-07, 10:38 AM
hmmm...
you guys think a 37" 1080p looks considerably better than 720p on 37"? A friend of mine told me that 1080p isn't shown much over 720p unless you get at least a 40" screen... supposedly he read that there was a real life side-by-side comparison of a 37" 720p to a 1080p.... supposedly...
This can be the case. The real kicker is viewing distance. I find that I can notice a difference from about five feet, which is how far I sit from my Westinghouse.
Also, if you plan on viewing 1080i- or 1080p-native content, I'd go with the 1080p. And if you like to game (via PC or console), I'd go with the 1080p and crank the resolution on the PC or console up to 1920x1080.
i'm just wondering if xbox 360 will look better on a 37" 1080i or 1080p over a 720p... that's my main concern....
FudgeNuggets
02-22-07, 11:01 AM
i'm just wondering if xbox 360 will look better on a 37" 1080i or 1080p over a 720p... that's my main concern....
There are only a handful (mainly EA) games that support 1080i, most are 1080p natively. The 360 will fake/quasi upscale those 720p games to 1080i/p. I cannot tell you if it looks better or not as 1080i is the only HD mode my TV does. I'd say, if you can afford it then future-proof yourself (at least as well as you can) by getting a 1080p model.
Mr. Roboto
02-22-07, 11:22 AM
I got one of these on BF for 500 AR. Been using it since then, and I love it.
There are only a handful (mainly EA) games that support 1080i, most are 1080p natively. The 360 will fake/quasi upscale those 720p games to 1080i/p. I cannot tell you if it looks better or not as 1080i is the only HD mode my TV does. I'd say, if you can afford it then future-proof yourself (at least as well as you can) by getting a 1080p model.
well i was thinking that if i buy a cheapo 37" for $600... that i won't mind paying the difference in the future... $600 isn't THAT much, and the TV could always go into another room for when it's time to upgrade again...
i hate making decisions when i have to spend my entire paycheck + some... it's going in my gf's living room for her bday in april... i've been going nuts trying to find the "right" one... i'm posting on every forum imaginable lol. i like to spend my money wisely when it's something i REALLY want...
FudgeNuggets
02-22-07, 12:17 PM
I've heard a lot of people say that the Westinghouse 37", 42" and 47" is quite impressive for the price-point (of course it's not an Aquos), however I've also heard some people say that the grey/black reproduction is poor. However, you have to look for yourself as there are a lot of videosnobs out there that say that stuff because they have some kind of magical eagle-eye or view it from 3 inches away with a 50x magnifying glass or some other crazy **** like that.
PerlAddict
02-22-07, 12:40 PM
i hate making decisions when i have to spend my entire paycheck + some... it's going in my gf's living room for her bday in april... i've been going nuts trying to find the "right" one... i'm posting on every forum imaginable lol. i like to spend my money wisely when it's something i REALLY want...
That was my thought when I bought the 50" Panny ... of course everyone wants 1080p if they can get it - who wouldn't? But for the price and quality, it was hard to say no to 720p. And believe me, 720p still looks amazing. We're addicted to HDTV now. :D
We sit anywhere from 5 to 12 feet away from the TV. At the further distances (when comparing in the store to 1080p non-plasma models), we couldn't really tell a difference at all. Closer up, the 1080p had smoother detail, but they were all rear projection units and the Panny's colors blew them away. I really wanted something at 1080p, but I told myself, hey, when they come down in price, I'll just move the 50" to the bedroom and buy a newer unit for the living room. But for now, it's silly to spend 3 times as much when it doesn't make that noticeable a difference and still looks REALLY good.
I actually bought the 42" model first, then swapped it out for the 50" (without telling the wife ... whoops! That was a little surprise for her when we went to pick it up. Heh. ). I thought 42" would be fine, and 50" would be overkill. Now I want a 58" or more. :D
My only gripe at all has been hooking up the computer to it. Since it's 1366x768, using it as a second monitor is a bit of a hassle as I haven't figured out how to make the card output exactly at that resolution when running dual monitors, so it either makes it smaller and scales it up a little, or makes it bigger and scales it down a little.
A bit more annoying is trying to just clone my primary display, since they both have to be running the same resolution. So when I run 1920 x 1200 on my Dell 24", it's just a little too tall to fit on the TV since it scales it horizontally to fit and not vertically. As you move your mouse around the screen on the monitor, the image on the TV scrolls up or down, so it's not a huge deal, but I still wish it would scale to fit the entire image on the screen, and not just scale it to fit the sides horizontally.
So those are my minor resolutions gripes. But I rarely output video to the TV from my computer anyway, so it's no biggie, and 1366x768 is still plenty of resolution to view the content that I do put out. And our Wii only does 480p anyway, so that's never been a concern, either.
So long story short - 720p is nothing to snub your nose at, especially if the price is right. 1080p is great, but the differences aren't earth shattering for most people. I think you'd both enjoy either equally. As geeks, we just always like knowing we've got numero uno at our disposal, so sometimes it's hard not to hold out for the best of the best of the best.
twEEkerAreUs
02-22-07, 12:58 PM
I have the 32in and I love it, I wouldn't go any bigger though in size if you're using it for your PC. Max resolution is 1360x768 which might seem small but I use to use 1280x1024 non wide screen so this works fine for me.
I've seen 1080i on 360 and honestly I really couldn't tell much of a difference and it also seemed hard on my eyes, 720P really is nice but every TV is different.
Oh and I paid $369 for the 32 lol Microcenter ftw!
That was my thought when I bought the 50" Panny ... of course everyone wants 1080p if they can get it - who wouldn't? But for the price and quality, it was hard to say no to 720p. And believe me, 720p still looks amazing. We're addicted to HDTV now. :D
We sit anywhere from 5 to 12 feet away from the TV. At the further distances (when comparing in the store to 1080p non-plasma models), we couldn't really tell a difference at all. Closer up, the 1080p had smoother detail, but they were all rear projection units and the Panny's colors blew them away. I really wanted something at 1080p, but I told myself, hey, when they come down in price, I'll just move the 50" to the bedroom and buy a newer unit for the living room. But for now, it's silly to spend 3 times as much when it doesn't make that noticeable a difference and still looks REALLY good.
I actually bought the 42" model first, then swapped it out for the 50" (without telling the wife ... whoops! That was a little surprise for her when we went to pick it up. Heh. ). I thought 42" would be fine, and 50" would be overkill. Now I want a 58" or more. :D
My only gripe at all has been hooking up the computer to it. Since it's 1366x768, using it as a second monitor is a bit of a hassle as I haven't figured out how to make the card output exactly at that resolution when running dual monitors, so it either makes it smaller and scales it up a little, or makes it bigger and scales it down a little.
A bit more annoying is trying to just clone my primary display, since they both have to be running the same resolution. So when I run 1920 x 1200 on my Dell 24", it's just a little too tall to fit on the TV since it scales it horizontally to fit and not vertically. As you move your mouse around the screen on the monitor, the image on the TV scrolls up or down, so it's not a huge deal, but I still wish it would scale to fit the entire image on the screen, and not just scale it to fit the sides horizontally.
So those are my minor resolutions gripes. But I rarely output video to the TV from my computer anyway, so it's no biggie, and 1366x768 is still plenty of resolution to view the content that I do put out. And our Wii only does 480p anyway, so that's never been a concern, either.
So long story short - 720p is nothing to snub your nose at, especially if the price is right. 1080p is great, but the differences aren't earth shattering for most people. I think you'd both enjoy either equally. As geeks, we just always like knowing we've got numero uno at our disposal, so sometimes it's hard not to hold out for the best of the best of the best.
you may be able to fix your dual monitor problem if you used two diff video cards in non-sli... but i know you dont want to split your 7900s from each other since they're in love.
i run dual monitors with the 2405fpw and the e207 dell widescreen... i've no problems... i wonder why you do... 1920x1200 on the 2405, and 1680x1050 on the e207...
let me ask you this... are you VGA or DVI from the PC to the panny? I got a DVI to HDMI cable for my brother, and when i swapped it from the VGA, his 32" 720p came out A TON better... the blurry effect went away, and his game fits the screen (instead of being slightly bigger than the screen - he was playing CS:CZ and it would overstretch the monitor's horizontal boundaries).
so if you're on analog to your panny, might wanna invest into a DVI to HDMI cable... they're CHEAP at monoprice.com!!! And if you don't have anymore HDMI ports, monoprice has HDMI hubs (splitters)... both WITH a remote and without... it's like $28 for without remote 2 port switch, like $70-75 for a 3port hdmi switch with remote, or like $100 with a 5port hdmi switch w/remote... iirc.
so how do you have it hooked up?
*edit*
and i was thinking of picking up the factory renewed 50" 720p pixel plus plasma last week for $999 shipped from philips outlet. :(
scoobydoo
02-22-07, 01:44 PM
I switched from my 40" tube to this tv and I love it. It is a little smaller than I wanted for a main tv upgrade, but the viewable picture is about the same as it was on the 40" 4:3 set.
I bought it thinking that I will use it until 42"+ 1080p sets come down in price, then I will move this one to the master bedroom to replace the 27" tube in there
For about $600 it is a damn good deal right now
hitbyaprkedcar7
02-22-07, 02:12 PM
this makes me angry. i paid 665$ for this like last month, and they dropped the price down on me. It used to be 647+shipping.
BTW, this is one hellovva deal. I absolutly LOVE this TV. Best bang for the buck TV out there
i'm so close to buying this and just giving my gf an almost 2 month early bday present... i almost want it for myself, lol.
Bal`thzar
02-22-07, 02:25 PM
i'm so close to buying this and just giving my gf an almost 2 month early bday present... i almost want it for myself, lol.
oh just buy it seeing as how the 360 controller deal fell through
oh just buy it seeing as how the 360 controller deal fell through
lol... well, i ordered a second xbox 360 to bring to my gf's... it's in the mail... i was thinking of picking this up also for selfish reasons to have @ her place, lol... cuz i dont wanna be playing the 360 on her 24" CRT!!!
i was thinking about pulling apart my dual monitor setup on my main rig... it's 24" dell and 20" dell, and i'm thinking of taking the e207 and just using that for the 360 @ her place... i also have a high def VGA cable on the way so that i can HOPEFULLY do 720p to the e207 dell....
FudgeNuggets
02-22-07, 03:59 PM
She must be a helluva hottie for you to be investing in her like this, lol!!!!!
Bal`thzar
02-23-07, 09:03 PM
well I am not sure but I believe that this is a record. I actually got my TV today from DHL, and I got it hooked up and running via HDMI and my home theater and I have to say its a wonderful set up.
on the surface when I was ordering this I was thinking, well it doesn't have a tuner and it doesn't do picture in picture and I realized I have never used either features in ANY of the TV's I have owned for the last 9 years.
oh and I just sold my 26inch syntax for $400 ;) so I am covered.
my 32 is now going in my bedroom and my 37 is on my wall in the living room
last note.
the $34 wall mount that wallmart sells works perfectly with this.
the $34 wall mount that wallmart sells works perfectly with this.
link it!! :D :D
$599 for a 37" sounds like a great deal. I figure I would try my luck at my local B&M Frys retail store. Unfortunately its $800 and of course the manager wouldn't even consider lowering it to their own website price ( I know they will always say no but I always ask for the heck of it).
I was able to briefly test out the unit at the store and I will confirm what most people have been saying about this already. It is a good value for the price but don't expect more than that. The only annoyance about the unit is the OSD. I hope I'll see the typical friday ads for a retail Frys store for this one.
gruvin2
02-24-07, 08:39 AM
I went looking for a 42"+ LCD TV over the holidays and well after doing some research and actually taking time to look at some different models etc. I walked away torn as to how big for how much.
Long story short. I found a Sony SXRD 60" open box down 25% from $3199 = $2399 then got a 10% gift card upon purchase so that was $240 back. I then kept looking for better deals for 30 days. On day 30 the Best Buy circular had my T.V. on sale for $2199 as a discontinued item. I took the receipt back and got another $209 back as price match.
So I paid $2399-$240=$2159
$2159-$209=$1950+tax
I'm incredibly happy with this purchase since it is interest free for 24 months :)
Now mind you this is the projection TV but stat for stat it beats the LCD's except for Width.
Here is a link to the TV and a nice video too.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_R60XBR1/4505-6484_7-31481141.html
scoobydoo
02-24-07, 01:12 PM
For those that don't need a 37" they have the 27" on sale for $400 now:)
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/5101336
ManOfKnight
02-24-07, 01:54 PM
i am on this deal...i almost bought it when it was like 665...now that it is almost 70 cheaper and I got a $650 bonus...I AM ON IT!!! :drool:
how does this monitor come out on xbox 360?
and how does it come out for DVDs?
i'm getting REALLY close to picking it up....
scoobydoo
02-24-07, 05:56 PM
here are a few pics hooked up to a regular xbox using component cables, it is 480p.
taking pictures of a tv is kinda tricky, but imo it has excellent image quality
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1286/dscf0090hk6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9990/dscf0089ag4.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7884/dscf0088wh2.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/529/dscf0091kx9.jpg
notice the weather forcast in the second picture:(
Bal`thzar
02-24-07, 09:24 PM
Ok quick review for those of you that requested it.
out of the box I didn't need to do anything major to the picture. I did do some minor tweaks but nothing special.
first off I have this hooked up thought the following
HDMI and component from my Pioneer VSX-1016
I have my PS3 and my Scientific atlanta 8300HD hooked to my pioneer via HDMI
I have my XboX 360 hooked into my Pioneer via component
and I have my HTPC hooked via the DSub
picture clarity in blu-ray (Taladaga nights) is absolutly terrific.
PS3 play was nothing short of spectacular
XBoX360 display was just as crisp and looked just as good as HDMI
HTPC is running Vista with a 7800GTX in it and I have to say for Dsub it looks rockin.
my only concern when thinking about buying this TV was the fact that it had no tuner, but the realization hit me that I have never in the last decade used the tuner in my TV.
View angle is fine on this there is some minor greying out when you are at like 150 degrees and 2 feet away but its not an issue
there was no ghosting with any game play, (everything from gears of war to resistance fall of man)
best $621 (thats with shipping) I have ever spent.
man, if i didnt already have a 42" ...id be all over this in a heartbeat
PerlAddict
02-25-07, 12:27 AM
how does this monitor come out on xbox 360?
and how does it come out for DVDs?
i'm getting REALLY close to picking it up....
Just buy it already. :santa:
People keep talking about it enough, and I'M gonna have to buy one. The only thought that keeps me from doing it is that I know I want at least a 58" plasma for our next TV in a couple of years at 1080p, and when I do the 50" plasma we have now will be going in the bedroom.
But for $600 ... man, that's hard to argue with. =D
Bal`thzar
02-25-07, 07:32 PM
yeah and I just sold my 26" LCD TV for $400 ;)
thats what I paid for it
nikhsub1
02-26-07, 10:16 AM
FYI the Sceptre 37" 1080P set is awesome, I've had mine for over a year. Less than $1K too here: http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/productdetails.aspx?submit=&item=24-112-174&ATTLCD%20TV
or if you prefer newegg for a bit more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174
I just can't say enough about the price/performance of this TV.
FYI the Sceptre 37" 1080P set is awesome, I've had mine for over a year. Less than $1K too here: http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/productdetails.aspx?submit=&item=24-112-174&ATTLCD%20TV
or if you prefer newegg for a bit more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174
I just can't say enough about the price/performance of this TV.
how does this compare to the westinghouse 1080p?
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 11:02 AM
Plus another $100 shipping on that Sceptre from Chief Value.
I'm sure it's awesome, but the question you have to ask yourself, GM, is "Is it worth it right now to pay 80%+ more for the same sized TV for a resolution of 1080p instead of 720p."
That's a question everyone has to figure out for themselves based on budget, eyesight, media being viewed, and how close you'll typically be sitting to the TV.
Plus another $100 shipping on that Sceptre from Chief Value.
I'm sure it's awesome, but the question you have to ask yourself, GM, is "Is it worth it right now to pay 80%+ more for the same sized TV for a resolution of 1080p instead of 720p."
That's a question everyone has to figure out for themselves based on budget, eyesight, media being viewed, and how close you'll typically be sitting to the TV.
i've been told that for a 37" or smaller, that 1080p isn't much diff than 720p... unless you get 40" or above.
the closer you sit, the more obvious the resolution? is that what it is? i'd be 6ft typically, i think, maybe 8ft max...
FudgeNuggets
02-26-07, 11:27 AM
FYI the Sceptre 37" 1080P set is awesome, I've had mine for over a year. Less than $1K too here: http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/productdetails.aspx?submit=&item=24-112-174&ATTLCD%20TV
or if you prefer newegg for a bit more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174
I just can't say enough about the price/performance of this TV.
I'm SERIOUSLY considering this, if I can find it someplace local or semi-local. I don't like NewEgg's dead pixel policy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112180
I'm SERIOUSLY considering this, if I can find it someplace local or semi-local. I don't like NewEgg's dead pixel policy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112180
actually i like how it comes with a tuner... aren't we ntsc and not atsc? i don't know much... so don't laugh. :) i guess n is national and a is american? lol like afc vs nfc...
Joeteck
02-26-07, 11:50 AM
Its a nice deal, I'm just not going to buy obsolete technology... I want 1080p
Its a nice deal, I'm just not going to buy obsolete technology... I want 1080p
lol... it's just that 720p still looks nice for my xbox 360! :)
i guess i just need to do a side-by-side... may just do that at bestbuy tonight.
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 11:54 AM
Yes, the closer you sit, the more you can see pixelation. Stick your nose up to your LCD monitor. Can't you see more pixels now? :D
As far as coming with a tuner, I honestly feel it's kind of pointless. When was the last time you watched TV that wasn't hooked up to a cable or satellite box? The ATSC receiver is only going to be beneficial if you're trying to watch over-the-air HDTV. I've read a lot of folks say that their OTA HDTV signals are actually a little better than that coming in from their set-top boxes, but you generally need to buy an antenna to be able to receive those signals. For me, it was easier just to pay the $5/month to upgrade to HDTV cable, where I get all the regular OTA HD programming plus the non-OTA stuff (Like HBO HD, Discovery HD, ESPN HD, yada yada).
Little more information on ATSC receivers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_receiver
If it has a QAM tuner, you can plug your cable straight from your wall into your TV to get channels, but your HD content will be limited unscrambled HD channels your cable company is broadcasting - in my area, that's zilch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner
well remember, w/e i get is for my gf... she only has basic cable right now, and she doesn't have much $$... so i don't want her paying for a digital cable box and whatnot...
i do like having digital @ home on my 32" 720p, though... we'll see...
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 12:03 PM
Its a nice deal, I'm just not going to buy obsolete technology... I want 1080p
720p is anything but obsolete. Nothing is currently broadcast in 1080p or looking to be broadcast in it for some time - it's all 720p/1080i.
If your girlfriend only has basic cable, it would be nice if the set included a QAM tuner, but you'd have to find out if your cable company sends digital programming for your local broadcast stations over the same channels as normal, or a separate digital channel. In my area, ABC is Channel 2, but digital ABC is Channel 231, which is scambled and the only channel that HDTV is broadcast over for ABC. Be nice if they just sent digital programming over the unscrambled Channel 2, but such as it goes.
If the set only has an ATSC receiver on it, then you'll want to buy her an ATSC antenna so you can get HD channels being broadcast by local stations (and most prime-time shows are in HD now, thankfully).
Otherwise, while it's a nice TV and bigger is always fun to have whether it's HD or not, she's not gonna be too blown away. Regular programming on an HDTV can actually look a bit worse to some people, so you'll want to make sure you have some way of getting an HD signal into that sucker.
720p is anything but obsolete. Nothing is currently broadcast in 1080p or looking to be broadcast in it for some time - it's all 720p/1080i.
plus, the main reason i'm still contemplating on this 37" 720p is b/c for $600, i feel like it's DEFINITELY worth being a holdover... i could hold onto this 37" til the 1080p is in a better pricerange, then i'll make my move and use the 37" for something else.
it's just that i don't think i should spend $1100-1300 just to get 1080p, or even only 5 more inches... that's another $500-600 for not that big of a step up (imo).
but perl... her bday is april 14th... i keep asking her if she's cool with an early gift, but i feel so stupid doing that... i think if i spent over $1000, she'd feel happy but wouldn't want me spending that much (since she'd rather an engagement ring lol)
scoobydoo
02-26-07, 12:19 PM
godman it sounds like you already have everything worked out, you just need to convice yourself to spend the $600
i say do it, then when 1080P and larger 50"+ screens become more affordable upgrade and send the 37" to the bedroom
just make sure you pay with credit card and you keep the reciept just in case things with the GF don't workout
just make sure you pay with credit card and you keep the reciept just in case things with the GF don't workout
haha... i thought of that BUT... i think when you gift someone something, you're not allowed to take it back... no?
i'm not 100% sure if things WON'T work out, but that's why i don't wanna spend $1300 on a nice 1080p... $600 i can do...
if i break $1000 marker, then i'll be sure to hit up a 42" at the very least... ya know? but what ur saying is right... $600 to hold off and then i'll do a big leap instead.
if i pick up a 37" or 42" 1080p, and i spend over $1000, i'm probably not gonna want to upgrade for a while, and in that case i'll be stuck with a mid-range size for a long time... you're so right... get the $600 to hold me off, and then i'll go for something even BIGGER when prices drop.
i think you just made up my mind...
now all i gotta figure out is if i should buy this 37" now, or if i should wait until closer to her bday to buy it... (which i'd just wait til beginning of april since her bday is april 14th)...
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 12:34 PM
Bah, you quoted me while I was editing. :D
I have a buddy who bought a TV instead of an engagement ring. She was complaining about it while he had a couple of friends over, and he said, "Whatever, check this out: HDTV with picture-in-picture! Engagement ring my *** ...."
I think they're broken up now. :D I actually mentioned wanting a big screen TV to my girlfriend the first year we dated. She said, "Oh, sure! And then instead of a honeymoon, we can just spend a week sitting around watching the TV we spent all our money on!"
Then I took her to Best Buy, and she just stood there with her mouth open. The only big screen TV she'd seen before was her grandmother's old 1980's monstrosity, apparently. Three years later, we got married, and two months after that I brought home the 50" plasma. :D
The difference in you spending $600 or $1000 isn't going to mean beans to her, and unless she's going to have something outputting 1080p to the TV, that's probably not going to mean beans to her, either. We're geeks and we scrutinize everything, but the average user is not going to notice a difference in 720p and 1080p, especially with 720p/1080i sources (which is all you'll get from TV signals) on a 37" TV.
If you can say "Which would you prefer - 720p or 1080p?" and your girlfriend knows what you're talking about, then you can start thinking about doing exhaustive research and finding out exactly what the best set for the best price for her optimal viewing distance with her most watched video source is.
Otherwise, you can just buy a nice 720p set for a good price on sale and she'll be just as thrilled.
I'd love a 1080p TV just like the next guy, but the fact is that if buy a 1080p TV now that you use to mostly watch broadcast television, it's going to be outdated tech by the time they start broadcasting in 1080p anyway. So why spend the extra money now instead of getting something that gives you great price/performance for the current standards, and then buying something that gives you great price/performance when future standards are put in place? Because either way, you'll probably want a new TV then.
All opinions based on the assumption that the consumer in question has a budget they want to stay within, which is why price/performance ratios are so important. If you don't have a budget, then go hog wild. :)
the ONLY reason i'd get 1080p is for xbox 360... the ONLY reason...
i'm going with the 720p 37"... either i'm buying it within a few days, or i'm gonna wait until about april 1st... hoping it's still on sale then.
i'm gonna call her and make sure she's cool with her gift being early. she doesn't wanna know what it is b/c she wants to be surprised. maybe i'll install it at her place without her knowing (got keys to her place, so i can manage that). :)
i'm so excited to give it to her!! she's gonna wonder why i would get her a bigger TV than my own, and that itself will make her realize how nice this gift is. :) i never give someone something better than mine, and this i'm gonna do...
you guys rock! thanks for the input... i think this 37" is the smartest thing for my particular situation. i only wanted the 1080p cuz i bought a 2nd xbox 360 to install at her place, but 720p has been working nicely for me @ home, so i'll stick with it.
P.S. I don't plan to go bluray or hd dvd just yet... i have a 250+ DVD collection as it is... don't wanna get my eyes used to bluray/hd dvd and then never watch my dvd collection!
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 12:43 PM
I see you and scoob worked it out while I was busy trying to type and not get caught at work. ;) I completely agree with him.
And I don't know if Fry's has any kind of return or pricematch policy, but if so, I say buy it now to make sure you get the good price. You can always wait to give it to her (yeah, right :D ), and if the price DOES by chance go down before her birthday, you can pricematch and get the difference back. If Fry's has a policy like that, or wherever you end up buying it from.
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 12:45 PM
P.S. I don't plan to go bluray or hd dvd just yet... i have a 250+ DVD collection as it is... don't wanna get my eyes used to bluray/hd dvd and then never watch my dvd collection!
Ditto ... it makes me sad looking at 300+ DVDs in my cabinet. =(
But on an unscaling DVD player, they still look pretty damned good ... some of them better than some of the HDTV shows we watch, actually.
Ditto ... it makes me sad looking at 300+ DVDs in my cabinet. =(
But on an unscaling DVD player, they still look pretty damned good ... some of them better than some of the HDTV shows we watch, actually.
i have an up-conversion dvd player also...
but i can't say it looks that great... i must be doing something wrong...
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 12:58 PM
Just depends on the movie sometimes, too. Newer DVDs look a lot better than ones of older movies or broadcast TV (like all my Friends boxed sets).
Our first upscaling DVD player was the Philips DVP5960, because I loved my old DVP642 so much. The 5960 was alright ... had some quirks with upscaling I didn't like (such as forcing widescreen stretching when upscaling a 4:3 source). We've got a Panasonic DMR EH-55S DVR now, which does upscaling playback as well, and I really like it. Plus she got it free through a promotion at her office (spiffs for sales), so it's hard to say no to that. :D
Joeteck
02-26-07, 01:12 PM
720p is anything but obsolete. Nothing is currently broadcast in 1080p or looking to be broadcast in it for some time - it's all 720p/1080i.
It sure is... It became obsolete soon as blu-ray & HD-DVD came into play. You'll be S.O.L. if you want to play that content. Granted the players are way over priced, but will only play on a 1080p TV. So, in my eye's, if you plan on getting this type of Digital entertainment, you'll need up-to-date technology, such as an 1080p TV to play it.
So go ahead and buy this stuff as you'll be buying another TV shortly after when your favorite movie is only on Blu-ray 2 years from now.
Its not too hard to plan ahead, just look at 1080p TV's and you'll set.
EDIT: Also, a 1080i can't be displayed on a set that can only do 1366 x 768. The TV is down converting it to display on 720p. ;)
I loved my dvp642 as well... i ended up jumping on a woot deal a couple months back... RCA upconversion with dvd burning... i haven't burned with it yet, but i can't upconvert unless i use the HDMI!!! i wanted to upconvert with component and it doesn't let me... so, i'm actually upset. :(
the reason i'm not using the HDMI is b/c i want to use the coax digital out on the RCA player instead... when i hook up HDMI to my TV, the digital audio goes to the TV and i can't do digital out from the tv to my z-5500s...
i wish there was a cable that could split HDMI to HDMI+Coax or something... i hate how the audio can't be pulled separate from the HDMI cable...
Just depends on the movie sometimes, too. Newer DVDs look a lot better than ones of older movies or broadcast TV (like all my Friends boxed sets).
Our first upscaling DVD player was the Philips DVP5960, because I loved my old DVP642 so much. The 5960 was alright ... had some quirks with upscaling I didn't like (such as forcing widescreen stretching when upscaling a 4:3 source). We've got a Panasonic DMR EH-55S DVR now, which does upscaling playback as well, and I really like it. Plus she got it free through a promotion at her office (spiffs for sales), so it's hard to say no to that. :D
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 02:24 PM
It sure is... It became obsolete soon as blu-ray & HD-DVD came into play. You'll be S.O.L. if you want to play that content. Granted the players are way over priced, but will only play on a 1080p TV. So, in my eye's, if you plan on getting this type of Digital entertainment, you'll need up-to-date technology, such as an 1080p TV to play it.
So go ahead and buy this stuff as you'll be buying another TV shortly after when your favorite movie is only on Blu-ray 2 years from now.
Its not too hard to plan ahead, just look at 1080p TV's and you'll set.
EDIT: Also, a 1080i can't be displayed on a set that can only do 1366 x 768. The TV is down converting it to display on 720p. ;)
You call something obsolete based off the release of one form of media? Televisions are still primarily used to view ... surprise ... television broadcast. And TV broadcasts aren't in 1080p, nor will they be for some time.
If you have a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, then yes, you'll get the most out of them with a 1080p TV. But calling one form of technology obsolete based on the update of just a fraction of the media it supports is just plain ignorant. It may be "dated," but to call it obsolete is a ridiculous assertation. By your definition of "obsolete," most technology would be obsolete before it even hits the mainstream consumer market at a price point where it's being bought en masse. That would be like me calling your computer obsolete because it's a single core S939. It may be a couple of generations behind and a bit dated, but it's a far cry from obsolete. Not every consumer needs their technology to be creme de la creme to serve its purpose to the extent that its needed - otherwise we'd all be traded up our houses, TV's, cars, computer, steroes, and anything else with a circuitboard every 6 months.
No broadcast content is in 1080p, and the majority of HDTV sets currently in households aren't 1080p. Add onto that the fact that 720p are still being and will continue to be produced, and the term "obsolete" becomes an even greater hyperbole.
It became obsolete soon as blu-ray & HD-DVD came into play. You'll be S.O.L. if you want to play that content. Granted the players are way over priced, but will only play on a 1080p TV.
Portion extracted for emphasis ... I don't know what your sources are, but you're wrong - Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can both be played on 720p televisions. Sorry. Not to start any sort of he-said, she-said debacle, but it would be prudent to make sure you have the facts straight before you try to pass them off as such when advising others looking to make a purchase.
GM, does your box quit outputting sound to the Coax output when HDMI is plugged in? On our DVR, we have the HDMI going to the TV (carrying an audio/video signal), and then a Toslink cable going from the DVR to the receiver to output sound there, as well. We just turn the volume all the way down on the TV and only use the surround system.
the hell with blue-ray and sony
thats my 2 cents
GM, does your box quit outputting sound to the Coax output when HDMI is plugged in? On our DVR, we have the HDMI going to the TV (carrying an audio/video signal), and then a Toslink cable going from the DVR to the receiver to output sound there, as well. We just turn the volume all the way down on the TV and only use the surround system.
I'm sure you already know the answer to that... I'm gonna beat you up on for asking!!!
If that was the case, my name wouldn't be g0dM@n now, would it?! :D You know I love ya...
I tried to adjust the settings to allow the coax digital to be primary, but it didn't work out. I'll try to play with it one last time, but it's stupid that it is in fact the way it is... it seems that when i hook up the HDMI, it defaults to digital sound through that... and audio outs don't work.
Also, my STUPID tv (still like it cuz i got it for an awesome price) can only output digital sound if i use hdtv air through the regular black coax cable!! and that's it!! it doesn't output digital for anything else... it does output RCA but who wants that... not for my z-5500s.
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 03:07 PM
Hehe, I figured as much, but I had to ask! When I thought my Opty was dead, someone said, "Are you sure the waterblock is making contact?" and I said, "Of course!"
Only to find out that it wasn't. :D
Stinks your set works like that. Our cable box only has component, so I don't have to worry about HDMI audio, but I know it still puts out sound via RCA cables (to the SlingBox) while putting out sound via the toslink cable to the receiver at the same time.
Joeteck
02-26-07, 03:12 PM
You call something obsolete based off the release of one form of media? Televisions are still primarily used to view ... surprise ... television broadcast. And TV broadcasts aren't in 1080p, nor will they be for some time.
If you have a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, then yes, you'll get the most out of them with a 1080p TV. But calling one form of technology obsolete based on the update of just a fraction of the media it supports is just plain ignorant. It may be "dated," but to call it obsolete is a ridiculous assertation. By your definition of "obsolete," most technology would be obsolete before it even hits the mainstream consumer market at a price point where it's being bought en masse. That would be like me calling your computer obsolete because it's a single core S939. It may be a couple of generations behind and a bit dated, but it's a far cry from obsolete. Not every consumer needs their technology to be creme de la creme to serve its purpose to the extent that its needed - otherwise we'd all be traded up our houses, TV's, cars, computer, steroes, and anything else with a circuitboard every 6 months.
No broadcast content is in 1080p, and the majority of HDTV sets currently in households aren't 1080p. Add onto that the fact that 720p are still being and will continue to be produced, and the term "obsolete" becomes an even greater hyperbole.
Portion extracted for emphasis ... I don't know what your sources are, but you're wrong - Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can both be played on 720p televisions. Sorry. Not to start any sort of he-said, she-said debacle, but it would be prudent to make sure you have the facts straight before you try to pass them off as such when advising others looking to make a purchase.
GM, does your box quit outputting sound to the Coax output when HDMI is plugged in? On our DVR, we have the HDMI going to the TV (carrying an audio/video signal), and then a Toslink cable going from the DVR to the receiver to output sound there, as well. We just turn the volume all the way down on the TV and only use the surround system.
Do what you wish.... Its just silly to get "older" technology than the lastest. And when you're talking about hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a TV, I don't want to do it again for at least 10 years. I bought a 1080i TV three years ago. Its still awesome to me @ 64". But I'm not looking to get another one for a long time. Maybe once SED-TV comes into play. But in my eyes, if HDTV can only do 720p, I look else where. And why would I want to play Blu-ray on a 720p TV??? Thats just funny... Hi-tech player on older technology... funny...real funny... Thats like having a quad core cpu with AGP....
Do what you wish.... Its just silly to get "older" technology than the lastest. And when you're talking about hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a TV, I don't want to do it again for at least 10 years. I bought a 1080i TV three years ago. Its still awesome to me @ 64". But I'm not looking to get another one for a long time. Maybe once SED-TV comes into play. But in my eyes, if HDTV can only do 720p, I look else where. And why would I want to play Blu-ray on a 720p TV??? Thats just funny... Hi-tech player on older technology... funny...real funny... Thats like having a quad core cpu with AGP....
that's the thing... no one's buying bluray. :) i'm not... i'm just gonna up-convert dvd... and watch hdtv channels and whatnot.
i'm ready to take the plunge... real quick, guys, will i be able to tune this olevia monitor with a vcr for now?? i'll just do cable in cable out with the vcr i'm guessing...
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 04:13 PM
I think a lot of people would want to do it because the "latest and greatests" cost two to three times as much as the current "tried and trues," and for many, the actual performance differences (especially in smaller panels) are negligible.
If money was no object, we'd all have 60"+ 1080p flatscreens. But there's a reason high-end TV's are high-end ... they beg high-end prices. It's the same reason we don't all run out and buy the latest QX6800 chips, or the newest model car, or the cellphone that can do everything but physically drive your car for you; for most of us, the price doesn't justify the performance for what we need. But you don't see anyone calling anyone else "silly" for buying an E6300 instead of a QX6800.
And then there are people of the camp who have the money, but would prefer to wait for the technology to mature a little so they get what they feel is the most performance per dollar when they finally make a purchase.
There are a lot of factors to consider in chosing any sort of technological purchase, but buying something simply because it's "the newest" isn't the best way for most people to prioritize requirements when buying a product.
hawtrawkr
02-26-07, 04:20 PM
that's the thing... no one's buying bluray. :)
hey thats not entirely true. I got a player and a couple movies now I just need a hdcp monitor to watch them on.....
scoobydoo
02-26-07, 05:01 PM
that's the thing... no one's buying bluray. :) i'm not... i'm just gonna up-convert dvd... and watch hdtv channels and whatnot.
i'm ready to take the plunge... real quick, guys, will i be able to tune this olevia monitor with a vcr for now?? i'll just do cable in cable out with the vcr i'm guessing...
yes, the vcr will be the tuner instead of a cable box
analog channels look like crap on it though
Bal`thzar
02-26-07, 05:04 PM
The only reason I got bluray at all is that I got a PS3 with 4 games and taladaga nights for $500
I just ordered a samsung 1080P tv for my fathers main room and to be really frank. 1080p I am going to wait for because I don't use it or really need it right this second and we all know the prices are going to be dropping through the floor in the near future so I will wait 6 months and get a 47 or 50" for about 1k
i have my cc info and everything ready in cart... just waiting to push the button... the button keeps getting bigger and bigger the more i look @ it...
FudgeNuggets
02-26-07, 07:04 PM
You will find that running it through the VCR for channel tuning or watching movies will make it look like absolute crap. I ditched my VCR when I got my HDTV. It actually looks 10x worse on an HDTV than on a SDTV
Bal`thzar
02-26-07, 07:57 PM
i have my cc info and everything ready in cart... just waiting to push the button... the button keeps getting bigger and bigger the more i look @ it...
/me uses latest Jedi mind trick and forces godmans hand to click the god damn farkin mouse.
PerlAddict
02-26-07, 08:32 PM
If she only has basic cable, I don't think you need a QAM tuner unless your local station is only broadcasting digital signals. As long as that's not the case, you should be able to plug the RF cable directly into the TV and just use the channel up/down buttons. Or buy an OTA HD antenna. Not sure you how'll mix the functionality, though ... an OTA antenna will only pick up your local stations, but you'll get their high-def content. Plugging the RF straight in will give you all the basic cable channels, but unless it's got a QAM tuner (and even then, only if the cable company is broadcasting HD on an unscrambled channel), you won't be able to view HD content.
If she only has basic cable, I don't think you need a QAM tuner unless your local station is only broadcasting digital signals. If that's the case, you should be able to plug the RF cable directly into the TV and just use the channel up/down buttons. Or buy an OTA HD antenna.
oh i thought that this TV has ABSOLUTELY no tuner... no idea how this QAM and ATSC stuff works...
i didn't click the button yet for a couple reasons... #1, i see the same monitor at newegg for $90 more shipped (which means that when in 5-6 weeks when it's nearing her bday, that the price may drop again)... #2, not sure if i should give her this gift 7-8 weeks early... remember, her bday is april 14th... lol
i'm not afraid of this deal going away cuz like i said i see it at the egg for not TOO much more... $700 ish shipped, so i'm sure i can find something close to that WORST CASE if it comes down to it... plus i think there are other places that are cheap, like this:
http://www2.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?omid=122&utm_id=17&ref=pricegrabber&utm_source=PriceGrabber&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SYN337H&sku=SYN337H
dunno how reputable they are, but just saying..
scoobydoo
02-26-07, 09:01 PM
Well there is a chance that if you wait another 8 weeks you will save another $50, it was $647 when I bought it in early December.
I guess it depends on how much you want to surprise her and if YOU want to wait that long for a new tv. I wouldn't wait 2 months to "possibly" save a measly $50. Considering the 27" is on sale as well this could be a liquidation sale to make room for new models and they could sell out, then you are left paying more.
It has no tuner so you will need a cable box or you will need to run it through something with a tuner like a vcr or dvd recorder
PerlAddict
02-27-07, 07:22 AM
no idea how this QAM and ATSC stuff works...
That's what the Wiki links I posted are for. :D
Looking up the specs on BuyDig, scoob is right ... no integrated tuner (I had thought you originally said this thing had a built-it ATSC receiver, but ah well). So, yeah, without any RF inputs you'll have to have something make the transistion from RF to Composite/S-Video/VGA/Component/HDMI for you.
That's what the Wiki links I posted are for. :D
Looking up the specs on BuyDig, scoob is right ... no integrated tuner (I had thought you originally said this thing had a built-it ATSC receiver, but ah well). So, yeah, without any RF inputs you'll have to have something make the transistion from RF to Composite/S-Video/VGA/Component/HDMI for you.
The spectre 42" 1080p on newegg came with the separate atsc tuner... if that's where you confused it. :)
hitbyaprkedcar7
02-27-07, 03:55 PM
Hey godman, if your still worried about the 1080/720 difference, this is what it boils down to.
For anything 42" and lower, you dont need 1080p. When you start getting into the 50", the 62", thats when you need 1080 because the screen is just that much larger. It is extremely hard, almost impossible to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 37in screen. Now, you WILL be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 62in screen, since the pixels have to be that much bigger, the picture wont look as sharp.
All sports programs today are broadcasted in 720p instead of 1080i just for the progressive scan factor, as on interlaced, the picture will "ghost."
In the future, everything will be broadcasted in 1080p, but by then, LCD screens will be a dime a dozen. (its already getting close, think about the price of an hdtv 6 months ago, let alone 2 years ago)
So, dont sweat about it. In all honestly, you wont be able to tell the difference on a small screen. I absolutly love mine, picture is amazing.
Of course, this is if your sitting a normal distance away from the TV and not like 2 feet, lol.
hitbyaprkedcar7
02-27-07, 03:56 PM
Well there is a chance that if you wait another 8 weeks you will save another $50, it was $647 when I bought it in early December.
I guess it depends on how much you want to surprise her and if YOU want to wait that long for a new tv. I wouldn't wait 2 months to "possibly" save a measly $50. Considering the 27" is on sale as well this could be a liquidation sale to make room for new models and they could sell out, then you are left paying more.
It has no tuner so you will need a cable box or you will need to run it through something with a tuner like a vcr or dvd recorder
2 months ago, i was told this is a "only till midnight tonight deal," so i rushed to buy it that night. Then i find out a few days later its on backorder. Then i got it at the end of january (a month after i ordered it) when it came back in stock
Turns out 1 months later, its 50$ cheaper, @ss holes
scoobydoo
02-27-07, 04:09 PM
Sorry to hear you had to wait that long, I ordered mine and received it in 2 days. Back in December it was going in and out of stock every couple days though
I got mine at $647+$20 shipping so I would have only saved $48 by waiting until now to buy which isn't worth it to me
Hey godman, if your still worried about the 1080/720 difference, this is what it boils down to.
For anything 42" and lower, you dont need 1080p. When you start getting into the 50", the 62", thats when you need 1080 because the screen is just that much larger. It is extremely hard, almost impossible to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 37in screen. Now, you WILL be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 62in screen, since the pixels have to be that much bigger, the picture wont look as sharp.
All sports programs today are broadcasted in 720p instead of 1080i just for the progressive scan factor, as on interlaced, the picture will "ghost."
In the future, everything will be broadcasted in 1080p, but by then, LCD screens will be a dime a dozen. (its already getting close, think about the price of an hdtv 6 months ago, let alone 2 years ago)
So, dont sweat about it. In all honestly, you wont be able to tell the difference on a small screen. I absolutly love mine, picture is amazing.
Of course, this is if your sitting a normal distance away from the TV and not like 2 feet, lol.
ya i know about the whole 720p with sports... that's why i made my decision to NOT opt for the 1080p (think i said yesterday or the day before that i made up my mind)... i'm going for a 720p panel 37" for her gift... just gonna prolly wait another month before i order it... i'm just SO EAGER to give her the gift!!! that's the #1 reason i wanted it so soon, and the #2 reason is i have a 2nd xbox 360 on the way to hook up @ her place and i wanted some HDTV action for when it came in the mail, lol... but i'm just gonna break up my dual monitor setup at home and bring the 20" widescreen for temporary use @ her place... already got a VGA xbox 360 HD cable to hook up to it. :) just until i get the 37" at her place... trust me, i want this hdtv for selfish reasons too... her 24" CRT is getting to be a REAL BORE!!!!
How dare you g0dM@n, I have a 24" CRT and I love it!
Joeteck
02-27-07, 07:56 PM
The only reason I got bluray at all is that I got a PS3 with 4 games and taladaga nights for $500
I just ordered a samsung 1080P tv for my fathers main room and to be really frank. 1080p I am going to wait for because I don't use it or really need it right this second and we all know the prices are going to be dropping through the floor in the near future so I will wait 6 months and get a 47 or 50" for about 1k
You da MAN!!! And made the better choice in your HDTV purchase...
How dare you g0dM@n, I have a 24" CRT and I love it!
24" Tube TV... not PC monitor...
I had a 21" CRT PC Monitor back when they were $500, and I loved it... If you do have a 24" CRT TV, then I'm sorry :( It would be perfectly fine in a bedroom, but this is part of her non-existing entertainment center in her living room. It's the biggest TV in the house. I'm sure you have a bigger TV in your living room, right? :( Sry again if I was stepping on your shoes.
I just bought this system from BB today:
Denon 5.1 660W System (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7945236&st=denon+5.1&type=product&id=1152228969433)
This is also for my gf's bday... it'll be going with the 37" 720p that I buy in a few weeks (whichever I decide on)...
I got the deal from FW and did a PM to CC's price error ad... after a whole hour of waiting for the BB rep to ingest the whole thing and ask 10000 diff employees/managers, I walked out with the system for $324 after NY taxes. I was so excited, but I regret not asking for a 110% PM... they just did a flat PM... I was afraid to ask and ruin my chances... Think I can go back with receipt and attempt?? It can't hurt cuz they can't undo the initial PM... just curious cuz that'll save me another $32.XX...
alright guys... i decided to just give the Denon system to my gf last night and tell her about her bday gift... i didn't feel like storing the HUGE Denon system in my house for 6 weeks cuz it's huge and heavy.
now, my question is... why get an LCD and not a Projector, like the one on sale right now at woot for $399 AR??
Bal`thzar
02-28-07, 12:45 PM
alright guys... i decided to just give the Denon system to my gf last night and tell her about her bday gift... i didn't feel like storing the HUGE Denon system in my house for 6 weeks cuz it's huge and heavy.
now, my question is... why get an LCD and not a Projector, like the one on sale right now at woot for $399 AR??
$300 bulbs thats why, projectors are fine if you are jsut going to use them to watch movies and not hours and hours of viewing
Maviryk
02-28-07, 12:51 PM
Hehe if you make your own projector your bulbs only cost $55 for 12,000 hours!
More resolution also!
I leave mine on all the time because I don't feel like waiting for the bulb to warm up.
oh well... i bit the bullet.
after the speaker wires i'm gonna buy for the entertainment center, i will be breaking $1000 on her gift, and it's probably all worth roughly $1500 with the entertainment center.
not too bad... didn't wanna spend this much, but it'll be worth it... along with the 2nd xbox 360 i got, i'm shot for a while... i've spent SO much this past month (not to mention lots of other things that i don't feel like whining about just yet).
thx for the help, guys... i finally bit.
Hehe if you make your own projector your bulbs only cost $55 for 12,000 hours!
More resolution also!
I leave mine on all the time because I don't feel like waiting for the bulb to warm up.
explain... lol maybe future project...
scoobydoo
02-28-07, 12:58 PM
[QUOTE=g0dM@n]oh well... i bit the bullet.
after the speaker wires i'm gonna buy for the entertainment center, i will be breaking $1000 on her gift,
[QUOTE]
you are spending $400 on speaker wires?
[QUOTE=g0dM@n]oh well... i bit the bullet.
after the speaker wires i'm gonna buy for the entertainment center, i will be breaking $1000 on her gift,
[QUOTE]
you are spending $400 on speaker wires?
no... i mentioned earlier that I bought the Denon 5.1 660W Entertainment Sound System / DVD Player from BestBuy... look a few posts earlier. :)
but i like to get quality speaker wiring... i have no clue why these companies give 22AWG wiring... i always feel like it's not enough thickness... i like 16-18AWG...
scoobydoo
02-28-07, 01:43 PM
ah ok, i was thinking you were buying overpriced monster and spending $400
IMO you should check out monoprice.com I have bought numerous cables from them and been happy everytime. I purchased a few hundred feet of HDMI cable for a friend a few months ago and saved hundreds over what BB or CC wanted. The "premium" component cables at monoprice are very nice as well.
22awg is only thick enough if you are running 5 watts, not to mention the crappy sheilding. Anything under 16awg and oxygen free should be fine with that system.
Although many people say you cant hear a difference I still like to keep all the cables the same length to the respective speakers.
If your left surround needs 30 feet of cable give your right surround 30 feet as well even if it only needs 20 feet. If your front left needs 10 feet, give the front right AND center 10 feet. Also if possible align the tweeters on the L/C/R speakers at ear level, but if that isnt possible at least try to keep them level on the same plane and the same distance from your ears, that does make a difference.
LOL, if you wanna get crazy go to rat shack and buy an analog spl meter, place it at your listening position and use test tones to calibrate each speaker to 85dB. Also place the sub in your listening position, then walk around the room to find out where it sounds best/loudest and place it there.
There are more(but that is getting really crazy) and one or the other probably won't make a difference, but do them all and it adds up to a better listening experience
Good Luck;)
scoobydoo
02-28-07, 01:49 PM
BTW, good call on the Denon, I have a Denon/Paradigm setup and I am VERY happy with it, especially for what it cost me:)
funny you shoulda say all of that b/c that's exactly what i do... already have a z5500 system set up in my room.
i try to match them to my ears... already shop at monoprice... except i don't go crazy to match length of wires entirely...
i'll be honest, i had 18AWG wiring for my z5500, but i needed more cabling... i opted for the 16AWG and 14AWG from monoprice, and dude... the 14AWG i never opened cuz it's definitely WAY TOO THICK... the 16AWG itself is thicker than i wanted...
so i've decided that i'm gonna start opting for the 18AWG from here on... and i'll use my leftover 14AWG and 16AWG for subs or big 3way speakers...
i think 18AWG is perfect for front and rear satellites... 16AWG for center, and 14AWG maybe for subs... i'm sure i'm not exaclty on point, but that's how i'm trying to do it... 14AWG and 16AWG are pretty thick for satellite... i didn't really notice til i got the wiring in... i only new 22, 18 and 12 awg before that... but since monoprice's cables are nicely shielded, i think their 18awg would be the route i'm gonna go for this Denon system... i've been waiting since early january for them to come back in stock!!! ETA is early march... i check every few days, lol.
and i've also picked up their premium tsolink (optical) cables, and component... their stuff is top of the line and CHEAP!!!!!! screw BB for that... i was checking out their wiring last night while i waited around for this Denon deal to clear, and what RIPOFF!!! the RCA 6ft cables are like $20... RCA (aka analog) and only 6ft... come on!!!
p.s. thx about the thumbs up! :) i'm mighty pleased... can't wait to have juice running through em... i carried the box by myself about 150ft... what a back breaker!!! and it BARELY fit in my car... took me 10min of smashing it into back seat last night at BB... i didn't bother to ask for help b/c i'm a "man"! lol
scoobydoo
02-28-07, 02:01 PM
Matching lenghts is more important the larger the difference, a few feet won't make an audible difference, but I just like to know that it is the best it is gonna sound even if I can't hear the difference
The best investment I made so far was that sound meter and the AVIA test disc. I have used them to calibrate every system I've had for the past 8 years and to "recalibrate" them every year or so.
The Olevia was very good out of the box when set to "home" and "6500K" in the menu, but not perfect. I used AVIA to tweak the color, brightness, sharpness and contrast a bit to get the picture just where I wanted it.
Maviryk
02-28-07, 02:02 PM
explain... lol maybe future project...
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=468440&highlight=widescreen+lcd+projector
Screen size is no longer 100" diagonal tho, moved to a new apartment, had to put the thing further back... now it's about 181" diagonal... talk about nausea...
where do i get this AVIA test disc? i signed up for that free test disc deal on SD last week... forget what company it was, but it may take a long time til i get it...Matching lenghts is more important the larger the difference, a few feet won't make an audible difference, but I just like to know that it is the best it is gonna sound even if I can't hear the difference
The best investment I made so far was that sound meter and the AVIA test disc. I have used them to calibrate every system I've had for the past 8 years and to "recalibrate" them every year or so.
The Olevia was very good out of the box when set to "home" and "6500K" in the menu, but not perfect. I used AVIA to tweak the color, brightness, sharpness and contrast a bit to get the picture just where I wanted it.
scoobydoo
02-28-07, 02:49 PM
If you have Netflix, Blockbuster or some other rental thingy try there first. It is something you use only 1-2 a year and it costs about $35 so renting it is probablky a better option. However you need the RGB filters to calibrate the video portion so make sure those are included
You can find it at amazon or buy.com as well
http://www.ovationmultimedia.com/avia.html
If you have Netflix, Blockbuster or some other rental thingy try there first. It is something you use only 1-2 a year and it costs about $35 so renting it is probablky a better option. However you need the RGB filters to calibrate the video portion so make sure those are included
You can find it at amazon or buy.com as well
http://www.ovationmultimedia.com/avia.html
rock on, brotha!!!
ASSISTANCE PLEASE!!!
#1 - When I plug in RCA cables from Xbox 360 to the RCA inputs on the TV that are right by the VGA and HDMI input, the sound is SUPER SUPER SUPER dimmed even at max volume. If I use a RCA to phone adapter and hook it into the green phone-jack input, it works perfectly. Any ideas? Are the RCA inputs just bad?
#2 - So I found out AFTER THE FACT that my girlfriend was getting free cable b/c the cable guys couldn't put a FILTER on her cable line... so analog (air) cable came FREE to her. Now that this TV has NO TUNER, she had to go out and buy the IO Digital Cable box with Cablevision - total cost was like $6 for the box and remote and another $5-6 for a basic digital package --> an additional $11-12 more a month.
Well, she lost over half of her channels that she watches (poor girl)... she loved to watch SVU and a bunch of other programs, like charmed and whatnot - basically, a lot of stuff she watches is now gone. The only way she can watch this stuff is if she pays another ~$30 on top of all of this to get the family plan.
I'm NOT joking... she CANNOT afford this, and now I feel like total crap. I spent almost $1500-1600 on the xbox 360, the tv, the surround sound system, the premium cables, and wireless router and whatnot so that the 360 can get on live.
I know she's so happy with what I did, but I have really gone over my budget this past 2 months and I've been selling stuff like crazy (sold my PDA, spare parts from my closet, one of my socket 939 full rigs, etc.)
Her other option to watch these channels are to go to her bedroom on the regular CRT TV, or if I install ANOTHER CRT TV downstairs (which is insanely stupid cuz we don't have much room).
Now that I'm done venting, what should I do?? I guess I could buy an EXTERNAL TUNER for this TV, and hook that up to the TV via component??? I didn't wanna spend more $$... if anyone can point me in a direction, I'd greatly appreciate it. If I have to buy a tuner, I need to go cheap.
I guess we'll keep this digital box at the BARE minimum... b/c I plan to order UFC fights in the future (she loves it too)... I could always have friends pitch in for a nice event at her place, but without a cable box we cannot do UFC.
So... we want to keep the BARE minimum on the digital box, but somehow get this FREE cable of hers through AIR cable...
Thanks, and sorry to those that don't wanna read all of this.
Bal`thzar
03-09-07, 12:45 PM
ASSISTANCE PLEASE!!!
#1 - When I plug in RCA cables from Xbox 360 to the RCA inputs on the TV that are right by the VGA and HDMI input, the sound is SUPER SUPER SUPER dimmed even at max volume. If I use a RCA to phone adapter and hook it into the green phone-jack input, it works perfectly. Any ideas? Are the RCA inputs just bad?
#2 - So I found out AFTER THE FACT that my girlfriend was getting free cable b/c the cable guys couldn't put a FILTER on her cable line... so analog (air) cable came FREE to her. Now that this TV has NO TUNER, she had to go out and buy the IO Digital Cable box with Cablevision - total cost was like $6 for the box and remote and another $5-6 for a basic digital package --> an additional $11-12 more a month.
Well, she lost over half of her channels that she watches (poor girl)... she loved to watch SVU and a bunch of other programs, like charmed and whatnot - basically, a lot of stuff she watches is now gone. The only way she can watch this stuff is if she pays another ~$30 on top of all of this to get the family plan.
I'm NOT joking... she CANNOT afford this, and now I feel like total crap. I spent almost $1500-1600 on the xbox 360, the tv, the surround sound system, the premium cables, and wireless router and whatnot so that the 360 can get on live.
I know she's so happy with what I did, but I have really gone over my budget this past 2 months and I've been selling stuff like crazy (sold my PDA, spare parts from my closet, one of my socket 939 full rigs, etc.)
Her other option to watch these channels are to go to her bedroom on the regular CRT TV, or if I install ANOTHER CRT TV downstairs (which is insanely stupid cuz we don't have much room).
Now that I'm done venting, what should I do?? I guess I could buy an EXTERNAL TUNER for this TV, and hook that up to the TV via component??? I didn't wanna spend more $$... if anyone can point me in a direction, I'd greatly appreciate it. If I have to buy a tuner, I need to go cheap.
I guess we'll keep this digital box at the BARE minimum... b/c I plan to order UFC fights in the future (she loves it too)... I could always have friends pitch in for a nice event at her place, but without a cable box we cannot do UFC.
So... we want to keep the BARE minimum on the digital box, but somehow get this FREE cable of hers through AIR cable...
Thanks, and sorry to those that don't wanna read all of this.\
ok suggestion for the air channels is get a cheap HTPC (another present) and have an analog TV tuner that will get her, her free air channels I believe
scoobydoo
03-09-07, 01:14 PM
have you tryed using a vcr as a tuner?
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ok suggestion for the air channels is get a cheap HTPC (another present) and have an analog TV tuner that will get her, her free air channels I believe
i thought about that... was just looking into it, but i've NO IDEA how to set one up... i just do the same thing as a normal PC except i put windows media on there, and get a tv tuner w/remote???
it's gonna be so freakin' costly... i'd LOVE for an HTPC, but man this is gonna be a lotta loot for me... much more than anticipated. i woulda been so much better off with a built-in tuner... i'd NO IDEA she was gonna get raped on the amount of channels.
who ever thought that TV would cost so much a month... it's bs... as if the internet isn't already a ripoff @ $50.
have you tryed using a vcr as a tuner?
oh you remembered... that WAS my plan, but the VCR uses coax to connect back to the TV... crap i guess it does use the analog video and rcas... crap i'll have to try that...
but the reason i didn't try that is cuz my gf uses the VCR all the time to record her shows if she's going to miss it... can i hook the cable to the vcr, and then the coax out from the vcr to the Digital cable box?
this MAY be an option!!
i'll try i guess... i hate VCRs!!!!
FudgeNuggets
03-09-07, 02:39 PM
forget the VCR completely. You'll get a signal, but it'll look like complete and total crap which defeats the purpose of getting this nice TV. Either get a cable box with cable or satellite or an external digital tuner with an HDTV antennea. If you're 25 miles from NYC you shoud get a fair amount of HD channels over the air.
forget the VCR completely. You'll get a signal, but it'll look like complete and total crap which defeats the purpose of getting this nice TV. Either get a cable box with cable or satellite or an external digital tuner with an HDTV antennea. If you're 25 miles from NYC you shoud get a fair amount of HD channels over the air.
yes, but i need a tuner... we had planned to use the IO DIGITAL CABLE offered by Cablevision, but it costs another $30-40 a month to get the same channels she got through air cable! :(
she doesn't have the $$ to spend... TRUST ME.. :(
i figured we'd keep the digital box @ like $11/month, so that we have the opportunity of ordering UFC fights, and then i'll get an external tuner to work with the regular air channels.
now i just need to find a CHEAP way of an external tuner.
scoobydoo
03-09-07, 04:01 PM
if the channels she needs are just regular analog the vcr or a dvd recorder should work fine assuming it can take the coax in and output that through the compsite to the tv
seems really complicated unless you are there looking at the setup though
if the channels she needs are just regular analog the vcr or a dvd recorder should work fine assuming it can take the coax in and output that through the compsite to the tv
seems really complicated unless you are there looking at the setup though
no i understand inputs/outputs COMPLETELY...
see i can't take the output to the TV... well i'm gonna just assume that i can INPUT to VCR, then OUTPUT to Digital IO Box's input then OUTUT from that to the TV via component...
I think that should cover it. I'll see how crappy it comes out doing that and then we'll see... this way when she wants to watch one of her shows, she can just switch mode to VCR and watch it like that. :)
The sound system does video outs too, so it may make things a bit easier.
Thx for the help fellas... in the meantime, if anyone finds a CHEAP Tuner that I can use, i MAY opt for that (it may just come out better than vcr...)
hitbyaprkedcar7
03-09-07, 05:09 PM
http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-dtb-h260f-high-definition-terrestrial-tuner-hdtv-tuner-atsc-tv/q/loc/111/203490348.html
you need something like that.
but for some reason, why shipping is 200$, i have no idea. ill keep looking for you
hitbyaprkedcar7
03-09-07, 05:14 PM
http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html#prodInfoSec you need that
http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?querytype=home&qu=hdtv+antenna&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1 and one of those
im almost positive. ill keep researching for you
http://www.buy.com/prod/tvbox-7-plug-n-play-1280x1024-resolution-tvbox-tuner-w-remote/q/loc/101/201644589.html this is also an option, while more expensive. ill keep looking for more and researching them for ya :)
Baitcaster
03-09-07, 05:26 PM
God, check your PM's ASAP. There IS another way..
pik4chu
03-12-07, 01:24 AM
lol this ****es me off, paid 50 bucks more for the same one from tiger a few weeks ago. On anotherr note I love this TV its great quality, speakers on it are decent and has not given me any problems. if I had not just bought a new rig I would seriously have picked up a 2nd one of these babies at this price.
My only problem with this is the fact that this TV has pretty low native resolution for a 37" HD capable screen, 1360x968 or is the max I think. Still makes an excellent widescreen TV for its price.
*nm on the screen static....*
God, check your PM's ASAP. There IS another way..
Hit ya up!!! Sorry I didn't see your PM sooner...
For me the ONLY annoying thing about this is if it has no input signal it plays this generated white static crap like really old TV's did. IMO a silly feature but otherwise excellent for the price.
I don't think mine does that....
http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html#prodInfoSec you need that
http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?querytype=home&qu=hdtv+antenna&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1 and one of those
im almost positive. ill keep researching for you
http://www.buy.com/prod/tvbox-7-plug-n-play-1280x1024-resolution-tvbox-tuner-w-remote/q/loc/101/201644589.html this is also an option, while more expensive. ill keep looking for more and researching them for ya :)
Hmm.... I like the KWorld External TV Tuner w/ Speaker (http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html#prodInfoSec) that you linked... but doesn't seem to have a remote, so no idea how that would work.... I liked it cuz it says TV tuner and it's $31 lol...
I want a cheap way to do this... if I have to spend $200 on a tuner, then I might as well just suck it up and pay the extra $30/month... but I really want to get her free channels back.
The channels came free to her cuz the cable company wasn't able to put an inline filter (or maybe they just didn't care)... she told me this... might as well take advantage of it!!!
And remember, I wanna keep the cable box at the CHEAPEST rate, so that we can order UFC fights every once in a while... we can swing the $$ for that cuz ppl are always willing to chip in for the event.
Thanks... you guys ROCK!
P.S. Did anyone read up on my post about the RCA inputs by the HDMI/VGA inputs? They don't seem to work... VERY dim sound... I have to use a phone to RCA adapter and hook up the audio through the green phone lin-in jack by the headphone output...
scoobydoo
03-12-07, 12:16 PM
For me the ONLY annoying thing about this is if it has no input signal it plays this generated white static crap like really old TV's did. IMO a silly feature but otherwise excellent for the price.
mine goes to a blue screen, not static
pik4chu
03-13-07, 05:23 PM
mine goes to a blue screen, not static
It was my dvd player.... I change my problem to the fact that this TV has pretty low native resolution for a 37" HD capable screen, 1360x968 or is the max I think. Still makes an excellent widescreen TV for its price.
scoobydoo
03-13-07, 05:36 PM
sorry i dont use a dvd player, modded xbox networked, but when i turn that off just blue screen is all i have ever seen
sorry i dont use a dvd player, modded xbox networked, but when i turn that off just blue screen is all i have ever seen
...not_less_than_or_equal_to
pik4chu
03-13-07, 10:25 PM
...not_less_than_or_equal_to
ROFL oh and nm on above it was my DVD player, what moron though that one up for crying out loud.
Hit ya up!!! Sorry I didn't see your PM sooner...
I don't think mine does that....
Hmm.... I like the KWorld External TV Tuner w/ Speaker (http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html#prodInfoSec) that you linked... but doesn't seem to have a remote, so no idea how that would work.... I liked it cuz it says TV tuner and it's $31 lol...
I want a cheap way to do this... if I have to spend $200 on a tuner, then I might as well just suck it up and pay the extra $30/month... but I really want to get her free channels back.
The channels came free to her cuz the cable company wasn't able to put an inline filter (or maybe they just didn't care)... she told me this... might as well take advantage of it!!!
And remember, I wanna keep the cable box at the CHEAPEST rate, so that we can order UFC fights every once in a while... we can swing the $$ for that cuz ppl are always willing to chip in for the event.
Thanks... you guys ROCK!
P.S. Did anyone read up on my post about the RCA inputs by the HDMI/VGA inputs? They don't seem to work... VERY dim sound... I have to use a phone to RCA adapter and hook up the audio through the green phone lin-in jack by the headphone output...
Anyone?
pik4chu
03-13-07, 11:09 PM
Anyone?
there is another version of this tv that includes the tuner but it is about 100-150 bucks more. the one with the tuner has a black shell rather than silver. only other way to do it would be see if you can find a tuner on fleabay or craigslist that is used with comcast. Guess that might not have been very helpful but its all I got :)
i just don't get why i have to have a digital box JUST so i can order PPV... it's such bull... i guess it's b/c ppl unscramble analog, but to have to pay monthly for the box JUST to have that freakin' capability? i'm still so agitated... i've no reason for digital cable except for ordering PPV events. :(
NOW YOU GOT ME ALL EXCITED... i'm gonna whip out my math skillz...
a^2 + b^2 = c^2
16:10 ratio ==> a=(16/10)b
37":
==> (16b/10)^2 + b^2 = 37^2
b = 19.6
a = (16/10)*(19.6) = 31.4
Area = (1/2)bh = .5*31.4*19.6 = 307.7 in squared
32":
==> (16b/10)^2 + b^2 = 32^2
b = 16.9
a = (16/10)*(16.9) = 27.0
Area = (1/2)bh = .5*27*16.9 = 228.1 in squared
% Difference =
(307.7-228.1)/(228.1) = 34.9%
A 37" TV is 34.9% bigger than a 32" TV
Am I right?? I just did this real quick cuz I'm at work wrapping up.
*edit*
Crap... I forgot... HDTV is 16:9 ratio, whereas computer LCDs are 16:10 ratio... DAMNIT I HATE HOW THEY DO THAT!! Now I have to do it all over again....
heheh...hahaha...hahah...hehehe...hehehe....:beer:
SteveLord
03-14-07, 08:35 AM
i just don't get why i have to have a digital box JUST so i can order PPV... it's such bull... i guess it's b/c ppl unscramble analog, but to have to pay monthly for the box JUST to have that freakin' capability? i'm still so agitated... i've no reason for digital cable except for ordering PPV events. :(
because its the cable industry screwing america...in competition with the wireless industry that also screws america. =\
scoobydoo... are you not receiving my PMs, buddy? :(
still wondering of this (http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html#prodInfoSec) will work well.... and if HDTV will come out as 720p... it says it can do 1440x900, but my hdtv is 720p (1366x768 or 1280x720)...
scoobydoo
03-14-07, 03:44 PM
yep sorry i did, but been busy dealing with work, ear infections and an insurance claim on my car:(
i have a digital cable box and have never used on of those boxes, but doesnt the tv automatically upscale/downscale images that aren't it's native res?
yep sorry i did, but been busy dealing with work, ear infections and an insurance claim on my car:(
i have a digital cable box and have never used on of those boxes, but doesnt the tv automatically upscale/downscale images that aren't it's native res?
Yes, they do... but I'm wondering if it'll work out properly... since the tuner will downscale 1080i PROBABLY to 1440x900, i'm afraid it'll have to double-downscale... like the tuner will then the TV, and that my make image look crappy...
pfff... i guess i'll just buy it... i'll try to make my decision tonight. =/
Dunno if i told you guys, but i snagged this on the 15th (last day of rebate):
KWorld External TV Tuner w/ Speaker 1440 (http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-external-tv-tuner-w-speaker/q/loc/101/203947748.html)
I got it for:
$56.99
-$10.00 GCO
-$15.00 MIR
-$10.00 MIR
Total: $21.99 SHIPPED
Graphicism
03-23-07, 05:47 PM
Noooooooooo... I'm too late! - The deal is dead! :(
Any other good TV deals out there?
Noooooooooo... I'm too late! - The deal is dead! :(
Any other good TV deals out there?
i saw a 37" olevia 720p (slightly higher model than this) for $599 here:
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=474256
not sure if it'll still work...
I just went for a Haanspree 37" LCD at Buy.com (I know, major risk) that has been getting pretty high marks on FatWallet for the past month. $699.99, free shipping, and I used a 7% off coupon for up to $25. $674.99 total price. That's comparable to this deal considering I live 10 minutes from a Fry's and would have to spring for both shipping and tax since B&M and website prices are independent of one another. This TV is better, in my opinion, as well.
It looks to be an excellent TV with the panels coming from LG or Chi Mei (WestingHouse LCDs come with them). You may know them as they are the same company that produces Haans-G LCD PC monitors. Pretty good stuff.
Supports up to 1080i (what you expect? :D ), ATSC tuner w/QAM, has three (3) HDMI inputs w/HDCP, PiP/PaP, and has the Faroudja Genesis processor (some units have been known to have PixelWorks). Only 1000:1 contrast ratio, but that's pretty common in low-priced sets such as this (even the ones claiming 1600:1 is only in dynamic mode and still have 1000:1 native).
It's definitely and upgrade over my current Samsung 21" flat-screen tube that's in the bedroom now.
I just went for a Haanspree 37" LCD at Buy.com (I know, major risk) that has been getting pretty high marks on FatWallet for the past month. $699.99, free shipping, and I used a 7% off coupon for up to $25. $674.99 total price. That's comparable to this deal considering I live 10 minutes from a Fry's and would have to spring for both shipping and tax since B&M and website prices are independent of one another. This TV is better, in my opinion, as well.
It looks to be an excellent TV with the panels coming from LG or Chi Mei (WestingHouse LCDs come with them). You may know them as they are the same company that produces Haans-G LCD PC monitors. Pretty good stuff.
Supports up to 1080i (what you expect? :D ), ATSC tuner w/QAM, has three (3) HDMI inputs w/HDCP, PiP/PaP, and has the Faroudja Genesis processor (some units have been known to have PixelWorks). Only 1000:1 contrast ratio, but that's pretty common in low-priced sets such as this (even the ones claiming 1600:1 is only in dynamic mode and still have 1000:1 native).
It's definitely and upgrade over my current Samsung 21" flat-screen tube that's in the bedroom now.
i woulda LOVED a built-in tuner, and also that many HDMI... i never thought i'd be so ****ed without a built-in tuner, and regret not getting with with a built in. :(
i woulda LOVED a built-in tuner, and also that many HDMI... i never thought i'd be so ****ed without a built-in tuner, and regret not getting with with a built in. :(
That's the reason I decided to look a little longer instead of springing for the Olevia. I don't have another ATSC tuner card for the bedroom HTPC, so it had to have a built-in until I could spring for one. I'm saving up for a Hauppauge PVR-1600 which has both analog and ATSC on the same card to save on PCI space, but it'll be a while before that purchase makes it to the top of my list.
I'm glad I decided to wait a bit until springing on that. The 3 HDMI will definately come in handy down the road (maybe). Won't hurt to have at any rate. Can't wait to see how it performs.
Also included on-site warranty service (if required) in the one-year limited package. Their support seems top-notch from what I've read.
That's the reason I decided to look a little longer instead of springing for the Olevia. I don't have another ATSC tuner card for the bedroom HTPC, so it had to have a built-in until I could spring for one. I'm saving up for a Hauppauge PVR-1600 which has both analog and ATSC on the same card to save on PCI space, but it'll be a while before that purchase makes it to the top of my list.
I'm glad I decided to wait a bit until springing on that. The 3 HDMI will definately come in handy down the road (maybe). Won't hurt to have at any rate. Can't wait to see how it performs.
Also included on-site warranty service (if required) in the one-year limited package. Their support seems top-notch from what I've read.
what's the diff between analog and ATSC and whatnot...
Also, how do you get HDTV on regular cable (with no digital box)?? I was trying to figure it out on this tuner I got...
what's the diff between analog and ATSC and whatnot...
Also, how do you get HDTV on regular cable (with no digital box)?? I was trying to figure it out on this tuner I got...
Analog is your standard definition TV. ATSC is HDTV OTA (over-the-air) broadcasting that can be tuned in using a regular set of rabbit ears, depending on your area. QAM allows you to get the basic HDTV broadcasts that some cable companies transmit over cable. Cable companies are supposed to broadcast the freely broadcasted HDTV channels unencrypted over their lines and QAM tuning allows you to get them. Otherwise, you'd need an antenna and ATSC tuning capability via the TV or PC card/HTPC setup.
Analog is your standard definition TV. ATSC is HDTV OTA (over-the-air) broadcasting that can be tuned in using a regular set of rabbit ears, depending on your area. QAM allows you to get the basic HDTV broadcasts that some cable companies transmit over cable. Cable companies are supposed to broadcast the freely broadcasted HDTV channels unencrypted over their lines and QAM tuning allows you to get them. Otherwise, you'd need an antenna and ATSC tuning capability via the TV or PC card/HTPC setup.
you think the kworld 1440 can display hdtv then? i sorta understand... and if it does support it, how do i get to those hdtv channels... are they like in the 100s or something... that's what i can't figure out.
Looks like standard TV for that. HDTV and digital broadcast channels usually show up with a subchannel identifier like 9.1 or 9-1. In MCE 2005 for the Atlanta area they show up in the 1000-0 range, such as 1024-2.
For PC card support you'll need to find one that specifically states HDTV capable. There are a few hybrid cards out there (two tuners on one), but most are SDTV or HDTV only (minus satellite cards, which are a whole other story :D ).
Looks like standard TV for that. HDTV and digital broadcast channels usually show up with a subchannel identifier like 9.1 or 9-1. In MCE 2005 for the Atlanta area they show up in the 1000-0 range, such as 1024-2.
For PC card support you'll need to find one that specifically states HDTV capable. There are a few hybrid cards out there (two tuners on one), but most are SDTV or HDTV only (minus satellite cards, which are a whole other story :D ).
damn... damn... damn x 1000... i'm so upset with this whole thing. i was so excited paying $599 for this TV and now i HAVE to keep the digital box... oh well...
That's the reason I decided to look a little longer instead of springing for the Olevia. I don't have another ATSC tuner card for the bedroom HTPC, so it had to have a built-in until I could spring for one. I'm saving up for a Hauppauge PVR-1600 which has both analog and ATSC on the same card to save on PCI space, but it'll be a while before that purchase makes it to the top of my list.
I'm glad I decided to wait a bit until springing on that. The 3 HDMI will definately come in handy down the road (maybe). Won't hurt to have at any rate. Can't wait to see how it performs.
Also included on-site warranty service (if required) in the one-year limited package. Their support seems top-notch from what I've read.
Man, that things seems really nice. But no component? I would need one to hook up my 360 :-/
I'm a bit confused though, if we have HD Direct TV, and pay the extra $5 or $10 a month for hdtv, I will not need a tuner, is that correct?
I'm just looking for a cheap, good HDTV that can support my 360, PS3, Wii, and HD Direct TV. But it looks like I might have to get a system selector.
I think for Direct TV you have to have the special box like you do for cable. At least thats what they told us.
I think for Direct TV you have to have the special box like you do for cable. At least thats what they told us.
Yes, I have the special box.
Right now, I'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889022029 It seems to best fit my needs, what do you guys think of it? Although it is a bit pricy compared to the others mentioned here...
LuckyOne
04-01-07, 01:50 PM
Yes, I have the special box.
Right now, I'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889022029 It seems to best fit my needs, what do you guys think of it? Although it is a bit pricy compared to the others mentioned here...
This is the 337h with integrated tuner for 200 more.
This is the 337h with integrated tuner for 200 more.
But doesn't the one I linked have more inputs?
So, I dont need the tuner then do I? Because I have the HD Direct TV box?
I'm a bit confused though, if we have HD Direct TV, and pay the extra $5 or $10 a month for hdtv, I will not need a tuner, is that correct?
Correct... :)
Man, that things seems really nice. But no component? I would need one to hook up my 360 :-/
I'm a bit confused though, if we have HD Direct TV, and pay the extra $5 or $10 a month for hdtv, I will not need a tuner, is that correct?
I'm just looking for a cheap, good HDTV that can support my 360, PS3, Wii, and HD Direct TV. But it looks like I might have to get a system selector.
It has component. It's just to the right of the D-Sub.
It has component. It's just to the right of the D-Sub.
Oh wow, I totally passed that over. So you are really satisfied with it? I really like the look of it, I think it would match my room well. Do you have another 7% off coupon by any chance?
Oh wow, I totally passed that over. So you are really satisfied with it? I really like the look of it, I think it would match my room well. Do you have another 7% off coupon by any chance?
It comes in today, so I've not even seen it.
There's an ongoing 26+ page thread on FatWallet that is dedicated just to this TV and there's isn't a single person dissatisfied with it at all so far. Hann's customer service has also been active in that thread and appear to be excellent.
The 7% discount has expired, but Dealigg has it for $684.99 with free shipping. Basically, it's still a Buy.com purchase with a $10 discount for new Dealigg customer. Here (http://www.dealigg.com/story-HANNspree-Xv-37-inch-Widescreen-LCD-HDTV-37-070129091405) is a link to that.
You might also be able to combine that with Google Checkout for an additional $10 off. Buy.com accepts it as well. They don't stack coupons, but using another site to access a Buy.com purchase may work.
Otherwise, doing a search for coupon codes may turn up a decent amount off. Buy.com always has several active codes available.
Hopefully Fedex will leave the TV in the garage today since no one will be home. If they do, I can let you know how it looks after this evening. I'll definitely be watching something on it if it's there - I'm so sick of my little 20" bedroom TV.
mista ting
04-02-07, 08:30 AM
why doesn't the link work!!AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!1
why doesn't the link work!!AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Its expired.
Bunch of coupons for Buy.com here (http://www.meancoupons.com/buy/). Pick and choose to your liking.
Bunch of coupons for Buy.com here (http://www.meancoupons.com/buy/). Pick and choose to your liking.
is this a good website? i may start using it more if so.. :D
No idea...it was the first to come up when doing a search. Coupons are coupons though - they either work or they don't. I wouldn't order anything through that site, but I see no harm in coupon links so long as the redirects are valid.
I bought my Olevia 537 H from newegg as a referb for $660 shipped. Actaully has great color quality, and picture quality. It will support 1080i even though its native res 768, it has a good downsampler, depends on what you are watching, discovery hd is great in 1080i, but not basketball games or such :P
The onboard tuner is sucks in my area, i can only receive 1-2 channels after playing with the antenna forever.
The TV out of the box was great quality, and even better when calibrated with an avia dvd.
I went to CompUSA Saturday to pick up a PSU and they had the Olevia discounted fairly well considering there was to be no shipping charges. I still prefer the TV I ordered, but if you don't trust shipping an item like that, I suppose it was a decent deal.
I don't remember the exact price, but it was good enough to make me stop and go, "Hmmmmm." :D
so where do you guys shop for calibration DVDs... i've never used one, and i want to use a good one ASAP! :D
One was included with my 50" plasma. I'm not sure if the LCD will come with one or not. I'd assume the one I have will work fine with it - it's included with any Circuit City flat panel TV. although I've heard it's junk.
I pretty much do mine by eye to begin with keeping in mind that they ship with the brightness and contrast set way too high to give it that over-emphasized "WOW!" effect that ruins flat panels over time. I just lower them until I become dissatisfied and then adjust everything else accordingly.
3M had a free one available for download not long ago, but I missed out on that deal. AVIA is regarded as being excellent, but it's nowhere near free.
One was included with my 50" plasma. I'm not sure if the LCD will come with one or not. I'd assume the one I have will work fine with it - it's included with any Circuit City flat panel TV. although I've heard it's junk.
I pretty much do mine by eye to begin with keeping in mind that they ship with the brightness and contrast set way too high to give it that over-emphasized "WOW!" effect that ruins flat panels over time. I just lower them until I become dissatisfied and then adjust everything else accordingly.
3M had a free one available for download not long ago, but I missed out on that deal. AVIA is regarded as being excellent, but it's nowhere near free.
i remember filling out something online for a free one... but that was a couple weeks ago, and i've no idea if it's ever gonna get to me.
so the brightness and contrast is what wears out the LCDs? i guess i'll try to set those two lower too... i increased the sharpness on my Olevia 337H and have hooked up xbox 360 with the VGA cable... made the picture less washy (if you know that VGA washy effect)
Silversinksam
04-02-07, 01:38 PM
This is the 337h with integrated tuner for 200 more.
That's simply not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I spend hours researching both the 537H, the 337H and 237V
The 337H has a PixelWorks DNX Technology Video Processor
The 537H has a MTK MDDI Technology Video Processor
So your asking yourself what the heck is this? The MTK video processor is known to be a better chip than the Pixelworks video processor in the 337H. The Pixelworks isn't a bad chip, it's just that the MTK chip is slightly better from all I read.
There are other differences between the two, here you can view them side by side:
http://www.olevia.com/jsp/products/compare.jsp?pidFrom=537h&pidTo=337H
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PS, Godm@n, Your advise about buying the HDMI cable at Monoprice.com was good advise.
Those people at Monoprice.com absolutely rock, my LCD is being delivered Wed and my HDMI cable I ordered from Monoprice was 3 day, so the cable would be here Thur.
I called Monoprice this morning and they sent someone over to their warehouse and took my package out of the 3 day shipments and put it in the 2 day shipment pile.
Monorice not only has the best prices on HDMI cables, but their service is outstanding. They didn't even charge me for the difference in shipment costs. I shopped around and Monoprice charges a lot less for higher quality cables than most others are selling.
PS, Godm@n, Your advise about buying the HDMI cable at Monoprice.com was good advise.
Those people at Monoprice.com absolutely rock, my LCD is being delivered Wed and my HDMI cable I ordered from Monoprice was 3 day, so the cable would be here Thur.
I called Monoprice this morning and they sent someone over to their warehouse and took my package out of the 3 day shipments and put it in the 2 day shipment pile.
Monorice not only has the best prices on HDMI cables, but their service is outstanding. They didn't even charge me for the difference in shipment costs. I shopped around and Monoprice charges a lot less for higher quality cables than most others are selling.
I went to my uncle's last night, and redesigned his entire system (on paper). I'm ordering more cables from monoprice. I told him to NOT go to bestbuy and pay $120 for high-quality cables... I told him I pay about 90% less than that for monoprice's high-quality cables.
I've picked up their premium component for $12.XX + ship... they look so sexy, and it feels a LOT better when I see monster cables at $80-140. :)
Not only great pricing, but they get their shipments out usually same day (always with 24 business hours), and their customer service rocks. I also like the fact that they offer USPS... Saturday transit for USPS speeds things up for my over the weekend shipments!!
If you also want technical support, they give you that too... I had a monoprice rep that explained (through email) the differences between VGA (RGB) and component (Y'PbPr). It cleared up a LOT of stuff for me!
Now I understand what the 337H means when it says that it accepts component through the VGA port. All you need is a VGA-component cable. :)
Came home from work a little early and hooked the TV up to my bedroom HTPC via DVI-HDMI and did a scan over air and cable for available channels. The ATSC tuner worked very well considering I had it hooked up to a cheap Philips passive antenna that came with my PVR-150.
Picture was overly bright and highly contrasted, as I suspected. I fixed that in about a minute. SDTV quality was as expected - a bit grainy and forced. OTA HD up to 1080i was good and I can definitely tell the difference between LCD HDTV and plasma HDTV (main TV is a 50" Samsung plasma). The LCD has almost too much sharpness to the picture in comparison to the plasma. I was pleasantly surprised that the blacks were very deep in consideration to the 1000:1 contrast ratio. I was not disappointed at all by grey levels. Overall, a very good picture.
The remote, as is well known on the FatWallet site, kind of sucks and has no available universal codes currently. It has alot of buttons, but feels cheap and is not very responsive. I don't watch much TV though, so I'll be using the MCE remote 99% of the time and it accepted the commands for TV power on/off.
No comment on audio as I have an old Sony surround sound set with built-in DPL and hooked it up immediately.
No dead or stuck pixels and the box was in about as good of shape as you could ask for. Very nice and larger than I expected (although everything looks big next to my little 21" Samsung flat tube).
I can't be happier with this for less than $700 out of pocket.
Ya I say screw the remote... I don't use mine for anything except the SOURCE button... I use a separate surround sound, and change channels with an external tuner. :)
Glad to hear ur happy with it... I still hate you for getting a TV with a built-in tuner, AND more than one HDMI!!!! :D
Silversinksam
04-02-07, 04:35 PM
Glad to hear ur happy with it... I still hate you for getting a TV with a built-in tuner, AND more than one HDMI!!!! :D
Would it make you feel any better if i tell you I won't ever be using the built in tuner mine is coming with :beer:
Would it make you feel any better if i tell you I won't ever be using the built in tuner mine is coming with :beer:
Once I can spring for a PVR-1600, I won't either :D
Would it make you feel any better if i tell you I won't ever be using the built in tuner mine is coming with :beer:
Which one are you getting SSS?
Would it make you feel any better if i tell you I won't ever be using the built in tuner mine is coming with :beer:
Would it make you feel better if I tell you I won't ever be using my fists to attack you with?! I'll be using my HDTV... yeah, that's right, the one WITHOUT THE TUNER!!! :D :D
:( Can you pull your tuner out and send it to me? lol... it's okay. I have some stuff I may have figured out. I'm gonna hopefully be able to use that KWorld 1440 tuner... I had my 360 hooked to the VGA input, but I bought a GENDER CHANGER, so that I can hook the 360 to the Tuner, and then to Tuner to the TV. I just hope that the Tuner acting as a pass-through doesn't lower the quality on the 360... I have a strong feeling like it might. :(
I'll be moving in with my girlfriend anyway, sometime soon I hope... and when that happens, I'll just help put money together with her to pay for some good digital channels... I won't need a separate tuner then cuz I'll just use IO Digital Cable the whole time.
I have some stuff I may have figured out. I'm gonna hopefully be able to use that KWorld 1440 tuner... I had my 360 hooked to the VGA input, but I bought a GENDER CHANGER, so that I can hook the 360 to the Tuner, and then to Tuner to the TV. I just hope that the Tuner acting as a pass-through doesn't lower the quality on the 360... I have a strong feeling like it might. :(
Tuner to TV via S-Video or Component? You'll definitely lower the quality - to 576i/480i (PAL/NTSC) at best.
Tuner to TV via S-Video or Component? You'll definitely lower the quality - to 576i/480i (PAL/NTSC) at best.
Xbox 360 through VGA to tuner, then from tuner through VGA to TV's VGA. All VGA...
Right now I have the 360 direct to TV through VGA and the 360 settings is set to 1360x768... the potential problem is that the tuner has only 1440x900 as a widescreen option, or it has the other standards (1280x1024, etc).
I'm just wondering what's gonna happen when I use the tuner as a pass-through and the slight alter in resolution... just hope this works. I had to buy a GENDER changer from monoprice, so that I can hook up the 360's vga to the tuner's... the tuner is meant to hook TV up to a computer monitor, and then the video card hooks up to the tuner, so that you can do a pass-through and still maintain your PC signal to the monitor.
It's going to be a matter of differing resolutions and hopefully it's just a simple downscale that won't look much diff than b4. I'm rather curious how this turns out. :)
Either that, or I'll have to get one of those UGLY UGLY UUUUUUUGLY data switch boxes so I can hook up the tuner and xbox 360 through VGA... those things are NASTY.
Well, if the XBOX can output 1440x900, I would set it there and not let the downscaling take place. You might as well keep the original resolution since you have no idea how quality will be affected if downscaling is allowed. Downscaling could cause some unwanted video lag also.
Silversinksam
04-03-07, 07:46 PM
Which one are you getting SSS?
I got the 237V on the cheap. It will be here tomorrow. I got so excited, I bought 3 HDMI cables from 3 different sites to make sure it got here before the LCD.
PCCables.com got it delivered the fastest. 1 day despite paying for UPS ground. But they are in Fl. ;)
Ordered some from Monoprice.com that will be here tomorrow, plus one more from Newegg for good measure. (I'll be listing 2 of them in the classifieds on Wed night lol) :bday:
Then since HD recording eat up gigabytes, I got this external SATA to eSATA for the Comcast 8300 HD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121020) DVR box. Paid $15 shipped on Amazon, plus i had a spare 300 sata to stick in it, now my Comcast Scientific Atlanta box will hold 60 hours of HD recording. The 8300 HD has a hard drive of 160 gb internal, which is 20 hrs of HD content, the eSATA external connection is a good thing on the Comcast box. First thing I'm doing tomorrow is disconnecting the ORANGE LED in this external drive, it's obnoxious and it has to go, I may take out the blue LEDS as well! :beer:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/17-121-020-02.jpg
I got the 237V on the cheap. It will be here tomorrow. I got so excited, I bought 3 HDMI cables from 3 different sites to make sure it got here before the LCD.
PCCables.com got it delivered the fastest. 1 day despite paying for UPS ground. But they are in Fl. ;)
Ordered some from Monoprice.com that will be here tomorrow, plus one more from Newegg for good measure. (I'll be listing 2 of them in the classifieds on Wed night lol) :bday:
Then since HD recording eat up gigabytes, I got this external SATA to eSATA for the Comcast 8300 HD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121020) DVR box. Paid $15 shipped on Amazon, plus i had a spare 300 sata to stick in it, now my Comcast Scientific Atlanta box will hold 60 hours of HD recording. The 8300 HD has a hard drive of 160 gb internal, which is 20 hrs of HD content, the eSATA external connection is a good thing on the Comcast box. First thing I'm doing tomorrow is disconnecting the ORANGE LED in this external drive, it's obnoxious and it has to go, I may take out the blue LEDS as well! :beer:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/17-121-020-02.jpg
Sounds good man, thats awesome. I may take one of the HDMI's off you if I think I'm gonna order a tv soon. Did you the the 237 from the egg? And how much did you pay? :D
Silversinksam
04-03-07, 09:15 PM
Sounds good man, thats awesome. I may take one of the HDMI's off you if I think I'm gonna order a tv soon. Did you the the 237 from the egg? And how much did you pay? :D
Newegg. Paid under 600 shipped.
Well, if the XBOX can output 1440x900, I would set it there and not let the downscaling take place. You might as well keep the original resolution since you have no idea how quality will be affected if downscaling is allowed. Downscaling could cause some unwanted video lag also.
but i got a 720p panel, remember? the TV does 1366x768... i guess we'll see when i can get to my gf's and hook up that gender connector... 360 to tuner to TV all through VGA.
Newegg. Paid under 600 shipped.
Dang! How, if I may ask? :D Or did you get the open box one?
Make sure to tell how it is when you get it tomorrow :) Congrats
Aren't those TVs from newegg refurbed though? I had initially looked at them and turned away because of that. There were no bad remarks about them being returned goods, but I tend to shy away from something like that when it has been through a shipping company more than 2-3 times.
First thing I'm doing tomorrow is disconnecting the ORANGE LED in this external drive, it's obnoxious and it has to go, I may take out the blue LEDS as well! :beer:
I used a Sharpie on the LEDs that are on my HTPC. You can tell they're still on, but it tints them. Might want to give that a try instead of taking them out :]
Silversinksam
04-04-07, 07:59 AM
Aren't those TVs from newegg refurbed though? I had initially looked at them and turned away because of that. There were no bad remarks about them being returned goods, but I tend to shy away from something like that when it has been through a shipping company more than 2-3 times.
I used a Sharpie on the LEDs that are on my HTPC. You can tell they're still on, but it tints them. Might want to give that a try instead of taking them out :]
I usually do this as well, except I use performix liquid electrical tape or plasti dip (http://www.plastidip.com/compare.pdf) both are available in many colors. Since it's rubber, you can just peel it off at a later time. (I did this with my Sunbeam fan controller, I don't like bright LEDs unless we're talking about a LED flashlight)
I have declared jihad on any lights anywhere near my TV or my pc monitor for that matter,:beer:
In fact I bought some red tape (http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1297557&cp=2568455.2629362.1259030&parentPage=family) that they use to temporarily fix cracked or broken tail lights for cars, doubled the tape up and placed it over the bright DVR clock (It looks good since I cut the tape with a razor for a custom fit. My DVD player lights are dimmable. (Even on my Dell 2007FPW I use small dots of this red tape to cover the #2 light and the on/off)
I ordered the TV from Newegg open box and used a Paypal coupon as well. Trust me, I would never even consider buying a $600 open box item from any other vendor.
Even though Newegg has strict return RMA policies for bulk items, I'm not worried about that. I'll take a pic of the TV when the UPS guy shows up. If the box has forklift tracks on it, I'm not signing for it. :beer:
Sam, I know exactly what you're talkin' about with the Sunbeam fan controller!! I hate those darn lights.
I got in the habit of turning off my PC every night now, though. My file-share server runs 24/7 in my basement, so if I need something on all the time, like AIM, I just do it on that machine. :D
Silversinksam
04-04-07, 05:12 PM
Pretty happy with the LCD better than I expected :bday:
One interesting thing, Monoprice.com and PCCables.com both sell the same HDMI cord, just Monoprice sells it cheaper. I have one from each vendor and they are identical twins.
Well? Lets see some pics dood! :)
Silversinksam
04-04-07, 07:45 PM
Well? Lets see some pics dood! :)
what...... you didn't like my HDMI cable pics? http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/sheepholy.gif
Silversinksam
04-04-07, 07:51 PM
This is why I saved $200 buying from Newegg open box and what was wrong
The on/off button got pushed to far in by the Klingon that originally purchased it. I have since fixed this problem, those scratches on the power on/off button are from me using a jewlers screwdriver and re-align and get the spring reset flush with the on/off button. All fixed, little scratched paint caused by me on the on/off button lol, but the picture is awesome, not one dead pixel. Wish I had bought one back on Black Friday, that was my only mistake this year.
I may get the other one they have listed as well
Dang bro...your LCD looks amazing. What are you gonna do with a 2nd one? Xbox 360?
mista ting
04-04-07, 10:42 PM
more pics!
any one have pics of this with an angle to it just wanna see how the viewing angles are
what...... you didn't like my HDMI cable pics? http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/sheepholy.gif
stop using photoshop, sam!!!
as for the cables being exactly the same, what was the price difference?
good to hear u like it... a power button being scratched is worth a $200 savings, lol.
This is why I saved $200 buying from Newegg open box and what was wrong
The on/off button got pushed to far in by the Klingon that originally purchased it. I have since fixed this problem, those scratches on the power on/off button are from me using a jewlers screwdriver and re-align and get the spring reset flush with the on/off button. All fixed, little scratched paint caused by me on the on/off button lol, but the picture is awesome, not one dead pixel. Wish I had bought one back on Black Friday, that was my only mistake this year.
I may get the other one they have listed as well
Man, thats awesome. Is that a recomendation to get one...?
Silversinksam
04-05-07, 01:19 PM
Dang bro...your LCD looks amazing. What are you gonna do with a 2nd one? Xbox 360?
I wanted to get one for my sister, she's spent the last 2 years gutting an old 100 year old house in a coastal Va town with less than 3000 permanent residents, in summer it shoots up to tens of thousands of tourists there, plus her husband is a tug boat cap'n. So he leaves for 2 weeks every month. they have about 4 more weeks of work on their house then they will need a new TV. I got her computer, may as well get her a TV. She always pays me back, she just appreciates me finding her good deals. I just find the deals, change my credit card address to her address, then have the vendor ship it there.
more pics!
any one have pics of this with an angle to it just wanna see how the viewing angles are
The angles are just as they are listed, Viewing Angle ('178°(H) / 178°(V)'));178°(H) / 178°(V) seem to be accurate.
But I have plans for this LCD. The plan is to use a ceiling mount (http://www.ergoindemand.com/images3/ARM860_201.jpg), but then get something along the lines of this (http://www.21best.com/21_best/electronic/security/video/pan_tilt/ap200/AP-200T.jpg) *Obviously I will need a heavier duty model, I'll just keep my eyes open and snag one from AllElectronics or Harbor Freight tools if they list something that fit's into my plan.
The end goal is to have a remote controlled motorized ceiling mount to pan and tilt the LCD via the remote, so I don't have to rely on the 187* viewing angle. So if I'm in the kitchen, I can completely turn the LCD via the remote. I know they have them for sale, but they are expensive, if I built it, it will be cheaper and better.
stop using photoshop, sam!!!
as for the cables being exactly the same, what was the price difference?
good to hear u like it... a power button being scratched is worth a $200 savings, lol.
I can't use photoshop to save my life, I only have Photoshop installed so I can resize pics and crop them, anything beyond that I cannot do :beer:
The monoprice.com price for the HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold Plated) (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2&style=) $5.25
The PCCables.com HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold Plated) (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2&style=) $12.25
Monoprice cannot be beat, more than 100% more for the same cable, and shipping was cheap at Monoprice.com/ Only thing is, PCCables, because they are in FL, can get me the item quick, UPS ground is 1 day for me. But Monoprice service and prices are hard to beat.
Man, thats awesome. Is that a recomendation to get one...?
Honestly? it was a big gamble but it paid off for me, worst case scenario would have been: RMA the LCD to Olevia (Newegg will not allow RMA's of over 32" tvs),
pack it up, ship it out then wait. Since this Open Box item really had nothing wrong with it, it worked out for me saving me bug bucks. I've always had good luck with Newegg open box items, this is one of the first times the item actually had a defect, but it was easily fixed.
Open boxes are far more riskier than recertified items at Newegg, even though I've never had a problem with either.
Wait a sec... NewEgg won't take RMAs for 32+ inch TVs... wow!!!
As for their refurbs, I've done TONS of them... I've had bad ones, but they take 'em back no prob... I'd say I've had a 80% success rate... I've purchased maybe 15-20 refurbs from them in total.
Never tried an open box product, so I'm kinda nervous about ordering. But if Olivia will let me RMA, I guess its not a bad idea.
Never tried an open box product, so I'm kinda nervous about ordering. But if Olivia will let me RMA, I guess its not a bad idea.
It may be good to know it's Olevia if you're going to RMA. :) Haha, just playin' with ya.
I'm using the Kworld 1440 tuner on my Olevia, and in all honesty regular channels look pretty ugly... not sure if I should upgrade the coax around the house or what... or maybe i should use a booster... it's just nasty.
We were using a VCR as a tv tuner before, and this KWorld hasn't really made it look much better... one thing the KWorld does well is the pass-through VGA with my xbox 360... no complaints about that.
SDTV (analog) on HDTV sets usually does look pretty crappy. It's not just your equipment.
SDTV (analog) on HDTV sets usually does look pretty crappy. It's not just your equipment.
It's just considerably better on the digital cable box for SDTV at my house... we're not using a digital cable box at her place (for the most part - don't ask).
I'll do my best to increase the analog signal through the coaxial - guess that's all I could do.
It may help a little if you're experiencing signal degradation, but the problem is the lack of resolution the analog signal is sending over what the digital STB is capable of producing out to the TV.
Silversinksam
04-05-07, 08:39 PM
It may be good to know it's Olevia if you're going to RMA. :) Haha, just playin' with ya.
I'm using the Kworld 1440 tuner on my Olevia, and in all honesty regular channels look pretty ugly... not sure if I should upgrade the coax around the house or what... or maybe i should use a booster... it's just nasty.
We were using a VCR as a tv tuner before, and this KWorld hasn't really made it look much better... one thing the KWorld does well is the pass-through VGA with my xbox 360... no complaints about that.
I had two Kworld Tuners, none of them put out a decent picture aside from their HD version. I had an extra and I knew you needed a tuner, if I felt the extra Kworld tuner would have fit the bill for you, I'd have given it to you free.
when I was talking to you the other day if I had known you were going to go the Kworld route, I'd have told you to get the HD one. Good news for you is these external tuners sell well at Ebay, in the classifieds here the people are to smart to buy one. There's one there for sale for $15 here. I sold mine (Identical to that) for near $50 on Ebay a couple weeks ago.
Silversinksam
04-13-07, 02:09 PM
Man, thats awesome. Is that a recomendation to get one...?
Crazy Newegg, the price yesterday for the open box 237V dropped from $560 to $520 plus $59.95 shipping (Over a $100 price increase overnight, I always thought open box items prices dropped until it sells)
Today the open box 237V rose to $659.99 + $59.99 shipping (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889022032R) :eek:
Glad I got mine when I did :santa:
LandShark
04-13-07, 03:02 PM
Pretty happy with the LCD better than I expected :bday:
One interesting thing, Monoprice.com and PCCables.com both sell the same HDMI cord, just Monoprice sells it cheaper. I have one from each vendor and they are identical twins.
yeah, I got my wallmount and HDMI cables from Monoprice too! great price and fast shipping!
I think I am getting the Vizio VX32LHDTV 32" today. If anyone has any opinions about the TV, please say them, I am torn between it and an olevia. I doubt anyone here has compared them side by side, but I'm looking for better image quality.
Well I think im going with the vizio. PCworld gave it a few more points in the rating :)
Hey SSS, thanks for showing me monoprice. It looks like I can actually do a local pickup, which is like 20 minutes away or so, so my total price is going to be less than $6! I dont know if thats where their warehouse is actually located, cuz I couldn't find their address on their website, but I guess I got pretty lucky :D
Thanks everyone for helping, and answering many of my noob questions
wow i wish i lived next to monoprice...!!!
I will deffinately be using them in the future, but didn't this time. I decided to be an impatient idiot and buy them for $25 at the store I got my tv.
THIS DEAL IS BACK AND NOW CHEAPER!!!
$547 + Shipping
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Shipping for me is $18.50.
Pandam00nium
04-25-07, 11:20 AM
I'm so tempted to buy it... I've been looking for a hd tv for the past month, but i'm not sure since I was kind of leaning towards the series 5 instead of 3. Shipping seems to be $40 for me as well.. then add sales tax and it'll end up being over +$650 :(
I'm so tempted to buy it... I've been looking for a hd tv for the past month, but i'm not sure since I was kind of leaning towards the series 5 instead of 3. Shipping seems to be $40 for me as well.. then add sales tax and it'll end up being over +$650 :(
shipping is $18 for me in NY... and i'm not too close to them... you sure you did GROUND SHIPPING???
Pandam00nium
04-25-07, 01:59 PM
lol yeah I did ground. I'm located in CA.
Mr. Roboto
04-25-07, 02:37 PM
Still doesn't beat the 500 I got it for AR (which already came) on BF from Micro Center. Granted, I had to wait outside in the cold for a while, but it was worth it. It's a great little tv.
Still doesn't beat the 500 I got it for AR (which already came) on BF from Micro Center. Granted, I had to wait outside in the cold for a while, but it was worth it. It's a great little tv.
you ever get that streak on the top of your TV when an HD channel is showing a SD commercial? I get this very slim horizontal (interference-looking) streak on the top of my tv screen... but only when I'm viewing 4:3 aspect (with the black borders on the right and left)...
when i stretch a 4:3, it's fine, though... anyone?
Mr. Roboto
04-25-07, 05:55 PM
you ever get that streak on the top of your TV when an HD channel is showing a SD commercial? I get this very slim horizontal (interference-looking) streak on the top of my tv screen... but only when I'm viewing 4:3 aspect (with the black borders on the right and left)...
when i stretch a 4:3, it's fine, though... anyone?
Yes, I do, but I don't think it's the tv's fault. I get the same thing when I plug it into my monitor as well.
You don't have comcast do you?
Silversinksam
04-25-07, 05:59 PM
you ever get that streak on the top of your TV when an HD channel is showing a SD commercial? I get this very slim horizontal (interference-looking) streak on the top of my tv screen... but only when I'm viewing 4:3 aspect (with the black borders on the right and left)...
when i stretch a 4:3, it's fine, though... anyone?
Use the horizontal option in the menu to rid yourself of that nuisance.
Mr. Roboto
04-25-07, 06:01 PM
Use the horizontal option in the menu to rid yourself of that nuisance.
The tv menu or the one on the box?
Silversinksam
04-25-07, 06:08 PM
The tv menu or the one on the box?
On the TV menu
Use the horizontal option in the menu to rid yourself of that nuisance.
what the heck is the horizontal option? i'll look for it the next time i go back to my gf's...
Mr. Roboto
04-25-07, 11:08 PM
Yeah, not sure what you're talking about either. Unless you mean the vertical screen position to shift the image up? If I do that, I get a black bar on the bottom of the tv.
Yeah, not sure what you're talking about either. Unless you mean the vertical screen position to shift the image up? If I do that, I get a black bar on the bottom of the tv.
that's what i thought he meant (again, that's vertical)...
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