R600 Delay... Again :(

[deathman20]

Heres one of many sources...

http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.php?t=130747


While I really want to upgrade and still don't see much on nVidia's front for drivers this is killing me. I want a new card, R600 would of been it but nVidia's 8800's are looking nice currently. Even if I got say the 8800GTS or GTX i'd still probably run into driver issues that a bit of people are complaining about.

DAAMIT get your act striaght and stop tormenting us and release the card already. We need competition on the market, and most specifically I need a new video card.

[blitzkrieg1110]

oh.........my.........god........

[||Console||]

LAME ....

[Vrykyl]

dman just get a 320mb 8800gts buddy - iv no complaints with my 640mb (wish id saved the £££ on un-needed extra ram) and NO driver issues in anything I play...

i wanted an r600 and got tired of waiting...maybe il be able to buy r600 when I next upgrade...they might even have released it by then...along with amd quad core...pffft

[deathman20]

dman just get a 320mb 8800gts buddy - iv no complaints with my 640mb (wish id saved the £££ on un-needed extra ram) and NO driver issues in anything I play...

i wanted an r600 and got tired of waiting...maybe il be able to buy r600 when I next upgrade...they might even have released it by then...along with amd quad core...pffft

Well if I did get a 8800 i'd have to go with one that has the memory. I need the extra ram for my 24" screen. I want to make my upgrade last ~ a year as usual so i'd probably hit up the GTX at that. But bah I want the R600 damn thing.

You running Vista bud?

[CGR]

Im pretty sure an X1900XT can power a 24" panel without a problem as long as you dont go with some insane resolution.

What can an 8800 do that an X1900 cant anyway? No DX10 games out yet.

[deathman20]

Im pretty sure an X1900XT can power a 24" panel without a problem as long as you dont go with some insane resolution.

What can an 8800 do that an X1900 cant anyway? No DX10 games out yet.

Yes the X1900XT powers the 24" panel but in most things its not the best FPS for the resolution. Mind you its an LCD and I prefer to run at native res regardless of preformance.

8800 has power... Your correct no DX10 patchs for games are out yet but they are comming and as games near release I always get that itch to upgrade.

[Rattle]

that sucks

thats all I have to say

[deathman20]

that sucks

thats all I have to say

Indeed... So someone go over to ATI or AMD's HQ and stick a cattle prode somewhere where the sun doesn't shine and tell to hand out samples to us.

[Rattle]

lmao

I am pretty happy with the 8800's even though the vista drivers suck still.

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When they do release these card they better be freakin fast vs NV's

[Vrykyl]

hehe, not like their last, quite frankly not that great efforts -

Hey folks! we made you wait an extra 4 months....heres a product thats only a tiny bit faster than nvidias...woooo us
:D

Dman - no vista for me yet - its just too many £££...il get it when all my hardware has decent reliable drivers...until then il keep on getting badass performance in XP ;)

[Burdman27911]

This is getting old...

I'm just glad I decided to not build my new system until the summer. Maybe, just maybe, I'll be lucky enough to have the r600 by then.

[chevro1et]

Maybe they pushed it back because they are doing fixes/ resolving driver issues before they release it? LMAO, yeah right!

[BossBorot]

time to go take a sh*t on AMDs headquarters lawn. I threatened to do this if they canned rd600 but now its time to load up on the beans.

[Rattle]

lmao

[jtjuska]

This sucks, but there isn't much we can do about it at the moment but buy nVidia and I won't buy an 8800 until the drivers are smooth as silk... although i have yet to have that happen from nvidia (except the hacked sli drivers, lol). Oh well. Time will tell

~jtjuska

[PhysX]

semms like when ati got bougbth by amd they also got amds...lateness...

[deathman20]

semms like when ati got bougbth by amd they also got amds...lateness...

Its double stacked its ATI and AMD's lateness.

[IWasHungry]

...And Nvidia's monopoly of DX10 cards continues. Looks like prices will not be falling significantly anytime soon, folks.

[deathman20]

To pass the time by at least this is some insite to what ATI's working on.

[jamescardenas07]

seriously guys STOP COMPLAINING!!.. if you wait it will be better in the end

look at me and other guys with 8800's
we have driver problems with vista and some games are even unplayable w/o lockups
if ati released the r600 today and drivers for dx10 is just as much crap as nvidia's what would be good? now instead of complaining for not having the card you will complain for have a card with crap dx10 drivers. just wait.. in the end it will pay off

[MadMan007]

DX10 in itself doesn't really matter atm so for that I say :shrug: to that, it's just the usual early adaptor problems.

[Vrykyl]

i work on the basis that by the time dx10 hits properly and I NEED vista/dx10 to play I wont be using my 8800gts anyways.....I bought this card for its massive dx9 performance NOW :)

[IWasHungry]

DX10 in itself doesn't really matter atm so for that I say :shrug: to that, it's just the usual early adaptor problems.
Joe Shmoe doesn't know that. Joe Shmoe wants Vista.
Joe Shmoe's been talking to his friends, and he hears that he'll need a DX10 card to play all the cool-looking games on Vista (This isn't true, but Joe Shmoe is too ignorant to know any better). Joe Shmoe buys a DX10 card. Since ATI doesn't have any DX10 offerings, only Nvidia benefits.
There are way more Joe Shmoes than people like you and I, and it makes a huge difference in the video card market if ATI doesn't have anything right now. By the time ATI gets their cards on the market, all the Joe Shmoes have already bought their shiny DX10 cards (From Nvidia).
DAAMIT's offering upon release had better be really good, or they're going to be in huge trouble financially (Which they already kind of are).

[ixq]

<sadface>

well theres nothing else to do then just wait.. and be happy with my current card..

[Spoudazo]

Nvidia's refresh is next month, and I'll be stepping up. :D

Where ya at ATI? And to think, I almost just sat and waited for the R600. :p

[deathman20]

To pass the time by at least this is some insite to what ATI's working on.

And I had a link and don't know why it didn't post lol anyways here we go...

This release note provides information on the latest posting of AMD's industry leading software suite, Catalyst™. This particular software suite updates both the AMD Display Driver (version 8.342), and the Catalyst™ Control Center (version 7.2). This unified driver has been further enhanced to provide the highest level of power, performance, and reliability. The AMD Catalyst™ software suite is the ultimate in performance and stability.

Catalyst™ 7.2 introduces a brand new version of the Catalyst™ Control Center for Windows XP. The new Catalyst™ Control Center delivers a number of significant enhancements:


Quote:
-Significant performance gains; Catalyst™ Control Center start-up time has been substantially reduced, and overall responsiveness has improved.
-Reduced system resource usage
-New 3D preview which significantly improves the ability for users to understand the benefits of enabling the many Catalyst™ features of their ATI Radeon™ graphics accelerator
-Increased stability
-Native 32 and 64-bit support



Performance Improvements


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Open GL performance improves for all ATI Radeon™ X1000 series products. Gains of up to 25% in Doom 3, 48% in Quake 4 and 21% in Prey can be seen on a variety of ATI Radeon™ X1000 cards. These performance gains are noticed under the Windows Vista operating system.


Resolved Issues for the Windows Vista Operating System


Quote:
This section provides information on resolved issues in this release of the ATI Catalyst™ Software Suite for Windows Vista. These include:

Doom 3: Setting AA to 4x and AT to 8x along with the display resolution to 2560x1600 no longer results in display corruption being noticed. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25520

Corruption is no longer noticed during fast motion of DVD playback when using MCE/WMP. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23550

Catalyst™ Control Center->Display Manager: Connecting only a CRT display device to a system running Windows Vista no longer results in TV display modes being available. Further details can be found in topic number 737-24467

The Microsoft Vista operating system no longer fails to resume from an S3 state on systems containing an ATI Xpress 200 series product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25506

A flickering display is no longer noticed when playing a DVD using the Windows Media Player in full screen and resuming from a standby state after disconnecting a CRT display device. This issue was known to occur when using a system containing an ATI Xpress 1100/1150 series product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25507

Catalyst™ Control Center: The Help Launching Dialog is now localized for all supported languages. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25508
Hot plugging or un-plugging a third display device when CrossFire™ is enabled no longer results in the primary display device being swapped and identified as the display device connecting to the primary port on the master card. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25509

Connecting a TV to a system containing an ATI Xpress 200 series and setting it to PAL no longer results in the user not being able to control the display resolution on the LCD display when using the Catalyst™ Control Center.

Further details can be found in topic number 737-25511
The Windows Vista software driver for ATI Radeon™ products no longer fails to install if copied to a directory with a long name or to a directory with a long file path location. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25514

Display corruption is no longer noticed when watching TV under the Windows Vista operating system when using an ATI Radeon™ X1600 series product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25515
The Catalyst™ Control Center no longer fails to launch under the Simplified Chinese version of Windows Vista. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25516

Connecting two display devices with one display device using the HDMI connector (secondary) no longer results in faded colors being noticed on the HDMI display device when swapping (primary and secondary) between the two display devices. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25793
The display mode of 1440X900@75Hz is now available within the Catalyst™

Control Center when using a system containing an ATI Radeon™ X1600/1650 series of product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25794

Disconnecting the primary display device when the Windows Vista operating system is in a standby state may result in the log-in screen failing to appear when resuming. Further details can be found in topic number 737-24470

Hot-unplugging a secondary CRT display device while the Vista screen saver is active no longer results in corruption being noticed on the LCD display when ending the screen saver activity. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25795

The PowerPlay option is no longer available on systems that do not support the option under the Japanese version of the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25796

Changing the PowerPlay setting to either Power Saving or High Performance under Windows Vista, followed by rebooting the system no longer results in the PowerPlay setting displaying Battery Life mode regardless of the system being on AC power. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25797


Resolved Issues for the Windows XP Operating System

Quote:
This section provides information on resolved issues in this release of the ATI
Catalyst™ Software Suite for Windows XP. These include:

Battlefield 2: Attempting to launch the game under Windows XP with the in-game display setting at 1920x1440 or 2048x1536 and AA set to 6x no longer results in the game failing to launch. Further details can be found in topic number 737-22817

Desperados 2: The game no longer fails to play and display an error in atioglxx.dll when AA is enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25109

Splinter Cell Double Agent: Corruption is no longer noticed when playing the game with AA enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25104

Catalyst™ Control Center->Basic View: Connecting a secondary display device and attempting to enable it, no longer results in the inability to enable the device when using Basic view. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23447

Connecting a CRT as the primary display device and CV as the secondary display device no longer results in the desktop area and refresh rate being reported incorrectly when applying the 1080i30 Optimized mode within the Catalyst™ Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25174

Enabling CrossFire™ no longer results in display corruption being noticed when playing certain 3D games such as Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2006 and Madden Football. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23006

Catalyst™ Control Center->Basic View: Connecting a secondary display device and attempting to enable it, no longer results in the inability to enable the device when using Basic view. Further details can be found in topic number 737-24347

Catalyst™ Control Center: Connecting an HDTV or DFP display device no longer results in some of the HDTV formats being listed twice in the Catalyst™ Control Center->Digital Panel Properties->HDTV Support. Further details can be found in topic number 737-24349

A blank display no longer occurs when switching the display mode from 1920x1200 60Hz to 1600x1200 60Hz. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25811

The display mode of 1080p is no longer added to mode list and customized list on HDTV where the maximum display mode is 1080i. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25812

[deathman20]

seriously guys STOP COMPLAINING!!.. if you wait it will be better in the end

look at me and other guys with 8800's
we have driver problems with vista and some games are even unplayable w/o lockups
if ati released the r600 today and drivers for dx10 is just as much crap as nvidia's what would be good? now instead of complaining for not having the card you will complain for have a card with crap dx10 drivers. just wait.. in the end it will pay off

But while the 8800 might have issues with Vista doesn't mean the R600 will. You can't assume that if nVidia has issuse and can't release proper drives that the competition will have the same problem. It does sucks the nVidia cards don't work properly in Vista because I would of gone with one of those cards by now, but with those issues I'll just hold off a bit longer.

[Rattle]

ehh vista who cares. dx9 performance is awesome and there's no dx10 games worth a **** anyway.

[jtjuska]

ehh vista who cares. dx9 performance is awesome and there's no dx10 games worth a **** anyway.

That may be true but for people who only upgrade when they build new its kinda nice to know that your hardware will run the next big thing for at least a while. I tend to upgrade my vid card 1 time in the life of a computer. After that its time to build new. If I can get by without upgrading my vid card that rocks for me. So R600 coming out is what I am really waiting to see what happens so I can buy my vid card (that ill be keeping) and be happy for the next couple years.

Now of course, 8800 does just kick @$$ at DX9 right now ;):beer:

~jtjuska

[Jarlax]

Forget ATI... This is what the third or fourth delay in the product? I have been excited and waiting for them to get their sh*$ together for too long now. I am not concerned with DX10 and Vista right now so an 8800 and nVidia are looking better and better. Good enough in fact that I surrender and will be buying an 8800 GTS in the next couple of weeks and hoping to step up when the 8900's assuming it will be in 90 days.

I am not a fanboi of either, or at least I was not before this. I feel that ATI has lost its edge and they are stuggling to try and compete with what the 8800 has given and now they are scared even more by what the 8900 will bring.

[PhobMX]

glad i just ordered an 8800gts 320mb... that should suit me good until DAAMIT gets to release the x1900xl and even wait for a price drop

[HedgeHocker]

I'll wait for this release. I want to do a comparison and my 7950GT KO will hold me over until May or so.

I know it may be hopeless but I'm hoping the card will be more energy efficient than the NVIDIA cards and surprise us all. I have high hopes. No reason I can't wait a couple of months and see.