BATTLESTATIONS! The EGM PS3 article What went wrong?

[FudgeNuggets]

First, let me say you should buy the magazine for this Pulitzer worthy article alone. Besides that, there are some other great articles about upcoming things for the PS3, Wii and 360 as well as an article on how Sony uses spys and plants in message boards (like this one) and blogs to push Sony related items, namely the PS3.

I Wish I could but cannot recreate the whole article so here is a nice summarization for you. Note that the things marked Editorial Note: are my comments.

Enjoy.

[FudgeNuggets]

Here is the highlights of the article:

Part 1.
EGM editorial

Says launch sales were not bad, considering the price. Sold more in Dec and Jan than both the PS1 and PS2 did during their initial release.

Poor launch title lineup

Bad press because of lines, violence and greedy E-bayers

Xbox360 and Wii more formidable competition than the GameCube and Xbox1 was.

Pushing BluRay alienated a lot of people

Not a lot of titles will be exclusive to PS3 that were before, notably Virtua Fighter 5, Assassin’s Creed, Armored Core 4, Fatal Intertia, Blade Storm, Metal Gear 4 and Final Fantasy XIII

Too many delayed or cancelled titles

People were upset by lack of rumble in controller

Only a few good exclusives coming soon, notably Ninja Gaide, F1 racing and Motorstorm

Says PS3=SEGA Saturn


Part 2:
The interview with Jack Tretton

EGM points out the negativity of the launch, compares PS3 to Sega Saturn
Tretton blames society, says there were no negative aspects of the launch.

EGM questions his measurement of success
Tretton responds that the people at E3’s excitement is how he is gauging it.
Then points out the thousands of people waiting in line at launch for it.

EGM points out that probably over half of them were bought to make a big turnaround profit on Ebay and they can easily be found on shelves now.
Tretton doesn’t believe them, says that he’ll pay $1200 per unit if they can find any on store shelves.

EGM calls 18 local stores at random, finds 9 with multiple units, one with at least 20.
Tretton says the stores EGM called are lying editorial note: what an ass.
Tretton quickly changes topics and sees the camping out and profiteering/racketeering on E-bay as a good thing because they STILL sold the units
Editorial note: EGM fails to report (perhaps because it is too early at print time) the LARGE number that were returned to stores when they FAILED to sell on E-bay.

EGM asks him about TIME Magazine calling the PS3 the biggest bust of 2006.
Tretton questions the credibility of TIME MAGAZINE. Editorial note: This guy is an IDIOT

EGM calls Tretton on a false statement he made: Says Sony offers EVERYTHING that Xbox Live does except for Free.
Tretton pumps up Sony’s online content, eventually admits they do not have what Xbox has and then says that he doesn’t feel that what LIVE has and they don’t is important to games. Editorial comment: Huh? Additional game content (mainly), movies and TV shows ARE what gamers want.

EGM questions Tretton about weak launch titles
Tretton points out that Resistance is not weak and then rambles onto the back catalog of PS1 and PS2 titles, thus dodging the question

EGM questions Tretton on the $600 price tag and states that it is not worth it because for $200 less the 360 does everything but BluRay.
Tretton claims that you’re paying that much for a machine with a 10 year life cycle where other machines are only 5 years. Editorial note: Software support depends on the developers/publishers not the system. They’re still making Xbox1 games 5 years later, just like the PS2, 6 years later, that a null and moot point because if the PS3 tanks, they’ll not make games very long.

EGM questions Tretton on Leaving out the rumble on the Six-Axis:
Tretton replies that Sony doesn’t feel it’s important and if the consumer’s want it THAT bad then 3rd party developers can come up with something. Editorial note: again being an ass.

EGM asks about the PS3 actually games not looking nearly as good as the preview footage Sony showed
Tretton denies there is a difference.

EGM asks Tretton about how he views the 360 as a competitor.
a. Tretton dances around the questions and quotes PS2 sales. Editorial note: WTF, I thought we were talking about the PS3???

EGM asks how he views the Wii as a competitor
Tretton dances around the question and never really answers it.

EGM asks the BluRay question you KNEW was coming
a. Amazingly he doesn’t pump up BluRay, just says it is an asset and that the success/failure will be up to the studios. Editorial note: You mean the studios, many of which Sony owns?

EGM asks why UMD failed
a, Tretton is surprising candid, admits it failed and then returns to form and blamed the studios for charging too much for UMDs and putting the wrong movies out. Editorial note: Again, you mean the studios, many of which Sony owns?

EGM asks about downloadable games:
a.Tretton says he hopes to make many game that were available only in other regions available for download on the PS3. Editorial note: FINALLY good news!

EGM asks a bunch of dumb questions about game ratings and the industry itself. I won't go into details.....

[mrgoodkat]

This is a well researched post Ive had bookmarked for some time. Just though I would add it because I found it very informative and factual.


http://www.thepcspy.com/blog/how_sony_screwed_up

[blueswitch]

I might have to pick this up just to stick the cover on my fridge, mrgoodkat....that avatar is awesome!

[PYROMANIAC]

tl; dr

edit: repost on same article

[RedDragonXXX]

I don't care about the politics. I got my PS3 finally and I love it!

[FudgeNuggets]

I don't care about the politics. I got my PS3 finally and I love it!

Could you please elaborate on why you love it?

[tenchi86]

I will just bold what I type in your messege Fudge a I do not want to put quote tages 50 times.
[QUOTE=FudgeNuggets]Here is the highlights of the article:

Part 1.
EGM editorial

Says launch sales were not bad, considering the price. Sold more in Dec and Jan than both the PS1 and PS2 did during their initial release.

Poor launch title lineup

Bad press because of lines, violence and greedy E-bayers


Xbox360 and Wii more formidable competition than the GameCube and Xbox1 was.Lineup was really not worse then any other system, it's not like the 360 had Gears of War or some other awsome game when it was released, atleast PS3 has Resistance and within a few months major hitters like Lair and Motorstorm, and the greedy ebayers and lines really shows nothing but people wanted the system

Pushing BluRay alienated a lot of people
A survey showed that 80% of people who got a free Blu-Ray movie with their unit and played it are now committed to getting Blu-Ray, so in a way it's helped more people then its hurts

Not a lot of titles will be exclusive to PS3 that were before, notably Virtua Fighter 5, Assassin’s Creed, Armored Core 4, Fatal Intertia, Blade Storm, Metal Gear 4 and Final Fantasy XIIIThis right here makes me think this article is written but a fanboy who refuses to look up facts. First of MGS and Final Fantasy are still Exclusive. Assasins Creed was never announced as an actual exclusive, it was rumored as one since Sony payed Ubisoft to only show it on their system for a few months but that rumor was smashed once it was later shown on the 360. Armored Core and Vitrual Figher are not exclusive however they are coming out months earlier on the PS3. Fatal Intertia I believe is also on the PS3 sooner but not so sure, anyway don't really consider it or Blade Storm a big game but maybe thats just me.

Too many delayed or cancelled titles
Titles are beying delayed but that's not a surprise, modern games in all their HD glory are much harder to make and when you are working on a title for 2+ years you are bond to run into some problems

People were upset by lack of rumble in controllerTrue a lot of people are. Though I think this will change once games like Lair come out. Personally I love it, once you get use to driving with the SixAxis the controls are extremely tight, though a rumble pack that could be turned on or off would be nice. (Heard it was done due to battery life and the weight of it would tire hands down to soon when playing games like Lair.)

Only a few good exclusives coming soon, notably Ninja Gaide, F1 racing and MotorstormNot at all true, look at March alone and you will see some very big hitters and the list just goes on as the months do, I can name them if you want I am just skipping it to save room

Says PS3=SEGA Saturn
They also said it's a very powerful system and unleashing its full power will be fun. I can get this link you want, but as the quote I am responding to has none I'll skip it for now.

Not going into part two as it's an interview and to long. Sum it up though things are looking pretty good for the system. Blu-Ray continues to dominate, it has tons of great titles coming to it, and is selling well especially considering the games it has right now. (On amazon it went from being ranked 286th to ranked 15 in two hours of its stock coming back and is currently ranked 6th overall with the Wii in the #1 spot and the 360 is ranked #21. It is also in Europ being reported by many large retailers to being the most reserved system of all time out doing the Wii by 5x. As always I will get links to anything said in here, just let me know which you want, and sorry to any typos or parts I skipped, so much text I was getting a bit confused.

[RedDragonXXX]

Could you please elaborate on why you love it?

1. Integrated wireless

2. Internet browser

3. Free online

4. Blu-Ray player

5. Motor Storm and F1 kick ass!

6. GT Concept on 1080p is the best looking game I seen so far

7. You can dl PS games for your PSP

8. I can run Linux on it...


It's just ultimate entertainment centerpiece!

[tenchi86]

Those are all good, but one of my favorite features right now is copying DVDs to it's HDD. (Ones I own of course) Its a wonderful thing to sit down on my couch, pick up my controller and scroll through my PS3 menu to pick the movie I want rather then sorting through all my movies/cases and having to carry them to peoples houses when I take the PS3.

[FudgeNuggets]

I see RedDragon, but I thought Motorstrom and F1 are not out yet?
Also why care about 2 and 8, you have your computer for that?

The rest are all good reasons to like it, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the ultimate entertainment centerpiece.

The reason I like the 360 so much is because it is a mediacenter as well as a console and I can stream music and movies from my PC to the 360 or I can download movies, TV shows and games online. Plus I have the HD-DVD drive and my 360 is wireless as well. I think that's a bit closer to being an entertainment centerpiece.

Hopefully, you can do the same thing with the PS3 soon with something via Linux, but I think you'll probably have to wind up buying some Linux compatible USB device to be able to input a video signal. I don't know what software is all available for Linux right now other than Myth TV.

[FudgeNuggets]

Tenchi, the first part of that post was not my words, it was a prelude to the interview done by the interviewer and 360-fanboy or not, he grilled Tretton pretty hard and didn't pull any punches. He even pointed out the false statements Tretton was making.

After reading the whole article, it didn't come across to me like the interviewer was a anything fan boy or a PS3 hater. I think he hated Tretton by the end of the interview because Tretton lied a lot and was an arrogant ass. Tretton could've spun his words into favouring the PS3 better, but instead he came across very poorly, again like an arrogant ass but alas that is not Sony's fault, it is Tretton's. Still it does not reflect well on Sony's already tarnished image though.

[tenchi86]

Actually you can already stream all those things to your systems thanks to Orb and like I said you can copy your DVDs to it. Sony has announced the Music and Movie downloads are coming soon. As for 2 and 8 on his list, if hes like me then its because he does not live in his computer room and having those features on the big screen is nice. Those features on the 360 are good but all come at a price, its what 100$ for Wireless and 200$ for HD-DVD? PS3 as I am sure you know comes with those and IMO coming with Blu-Ray is better then HD-DVD due it out slapping it in sales but thats of course arguable based on the movies you like.

As for that interview I realize that was not you, I have that article and have for a couple weeks now. The reason I only did the top part is it's a bit more facts and less of an interview with an an idiot.

[FudgeNuggets]

Those are all good, but one of my favorite features right now is copying DVDs to it's HDD. (Ones I own of course) Its a wonderful thing to sit down on my couch, pick up my controller and scroll through my PS3 menu to pick the movie I want rather then sorting through all my movies/cases and having to carry them to peoples houses when I take the PS3.

That IS pretty cool!!! Then again, I own between 300-400 DVDs and at 9.6GB each, that would be a 3 Terrabyte hard drive I would need. Still, my collection is not what the typical PS3 owner's would be.

Can you rip the BluRay movies to the hard drive too? I would guess not.

[RedDragonXXX]

No they are not out, but demos are out on PS3 store.

I have a computer for those use sure, but I don't feel like draging keyboard and mouse around. You have a computer for media center as well, but why do you use it on your 360?

Get my point ;)

I can also stream music, photos, videos from my PSP but haven't tried anything else yet cause I just got it.

I have and like 360 as well, but don't want to spend extra $200 for a next gen media player.

PS

Can also run XP on PS3

[FudgeNuggets]

That's cool, I didn't know about Orb. Actually I used a Buffalo wireless network adapter I got for $50 instead of the Microsoft one and the 360 was $400, the HD-DVD drive was $200 so aside from the Buffalo adapter I bought it was equal in price to the PS3 60GB. I would had to have bought component cables for the PS3 as well so they both equal out.

I don't think BluRay is any greater or worse than HD-DVD. Each has different and exclusive content, each does 1080p and they cost about the same. The ONLY reason I don't have a PS3 already just for the BluRay player is all the problems I had with the PS1 and PS2. I don't want a $600 paperweight. I COULD do as Rainman always suggests and buy the 2 year extended warranty but that is another $100 on top of the $600 it already costs. I'm just not ready to pull the trigger yet. I'm being cautious and waiting a while to see what kind of production problems it has. Don't get me wrong I still hate Sony with a passion.

[tenchi86]

/\You can rip the movies but Blu-Ray is much harder. It is possible to do it through Linux on the PS3 but from what I have read it seems somewhat hard. DVDs you can do through Linux much easier but what I prefer is on my PC using DVD to PS3 plus Media Center X which rips then sends it to my PS3 over the Wireless. (You can use storage media to of course). Orb is pretty cool though for a cleaner interface I think Media Center X is better and honestly a a lot easier to use as it basically lets you browse your HDD on the PS3 so you don't have to assign files that can be viewed before hand but can choose as you go. As for getting a PS3 they do come with a 1 year warranty and for me the 2 year warranty was only like 60 more.

[FudgeNuggets]

I'll get one probably this summer or fall after I've bought my 1080p TV. I'm not quite sure what to do with my 51" projection TV though. It's so big, it'd be hard to sell.

[tenchi86]

I was honestly completely over this thread but rereading that article Fudge I think you misrepresented this to everyone here so let me clear a few things up. As before I will simply green what I type and this time I will skip the first part since I covered it even though what you had as highlights is really not what was said.

Part 2:
The interview with Jack Tretton

EGM points out the negativity of the launch, compares PS3 to Sega Saturn
Tretton blames society, says there were no negative aspects of the launch.
True he did say it was society but for a reason. He simply said that people had expectations to high and even though to some it may seem like a failure it has outsold both their other systems at launch.

EGM questions his measurement of success
Tretton responds that the people at E3’s excitement is how he is gauging it.
Then points out the thousands of people waiting in line at launch for it.
He pointed that out to show that people want the system enough to camp out for it, not really sure where you were going with this one.

EGM points out that probably over half of them were bought to make a big turnaround profit on Ebay and they can easily be found on shelves now.
Tretton doesn’t believe them, says that he’ll pay $1200 per unit if they can find any on store shelves.

EGM calls 18 local stores at random, finds 9 with multiple units, one with at least 20.
Tretton says the stores EGM called are lying editorial note: what an ass.He does not simply say they are lying. He states he is not sure if the "salesperson is giving accurate information, but if only nine of the 18 stores you contact had supplies that seems to be a clear indication that sales continue to be outstanding"


Tretton quickly changes topics and sees the camping out and profiteering/racketeering on E-bay as a good thing because they STILL sold the units
Editorial note: EGM fails to report (perhaps because it is too early at print time) the LARGE number that were returned to stores when they FAILED to sell on E-bay. He does not at all change topic he simply says that if people are camping out and able to sell out systems at 2.5k dollar price tags then that shows people truly want the system, another quote from him. "I don't think you'd find a company in the world that'd say. "Yeah, that is pretty depressing. Not only did people camp out for them, they resold them at a $2,5000 profite overnight."

EGM asks him about TIME Magazine calling the PS3 the biggest bust of 2006.
Tretton questions the credibility of TIME MAGAZINE. Editorial note: This guy is an IDIOTHe actually said he was just interviewed by time Magazine and the guy who did the interview had never touched a console till two days before the interview and had never reported on games before, and as such he does not think they are to be as trusted as places like EGM our to be.

EGM calls Tretton on a false statement he made: Says Sony offers EVERYTHING that Xbox Live does except for Free.
Tretton pumps up Sony’s online content, eventually admits they do not have what Xbox has and then says that he doesn’t feel that what LIVE has and they don’t is important to games. Editorial comment: Huh? Additional game content (mainly), movies and TV shows ARE what gamers want.His first words are "The Playstation Network is in its first 60 days, and it's not ultimately not where we'd like to get it." How is that denying it at all? He then goes on to say that they will continue to work on it and hope to eventually get it to a point where they are happy. He then goes on to say that XBL is not their goal but a complete online experience is, and they will not monitor their progress by copying the competition. He even later says that XBL will probably have features they do not, but they will in return have features XBL does not have.

EGM questions Tretton about weak launch titles
Tretton points out that Resistance is not weak and then rambles onto the back catalog of PS1 and PS2 titles, thus dodging the questionTrue he said Resistance is not weak which it is not. Also he did then go onto talk about how the PS and PS2 had thousands of great games and that will not change for the PS3, not not really dodging it just said their is more to come.

EGM questions Tretton on the $600 price tag and states that it is not worth it because for $200 less the 360 does everything but BluRay.
Tretton claims that you’re paying that much for a machine with a 10 year life cycle where other machines are only 5 years. Editorial note: Software support depends on the developers/publishers not the system. They’re still making Xbox1 games 5 years later, just like the PS2, 6 years later, that a null and moot point because if the PS3 tanks, they’ll not make games very long.He was completely right here. Microsoft basically completly dropped support for the Xbox when the 306 came out, stopping its production and production of games. Sony on the other hand is still producing the PS2 and is launching massive hits Like God of War for the system and the thing even came out a year before the Xbox or Gamecube did.

EGM questions Tretton on Leaving out the rumble on the Six-Axis:
Tretton replies that Sony doesn’t feel it’s important and if the consumer’s want it THAT bad then 3rd party developers can come up with something. Editorial note: again being an ass.Again you are completely changing it around to make him look bad. He says that they sold millions of controllers without the vibration and millions with it, and in the end they do not feel it's that compelling of a feature and they do not see it in their future. The next part I will just quote, " Of there is interest in a vibration feature, I'm sure there will be a number of manufactures that will come out with peripheral controllers for the PS3 that have the Vibration in them." You could argue what you said was the same thing, but you are really trying to make him seem as bad as you can.

EGM asks about the PS3 actually games not looking nearly as good as the preview footage Sony showed
Tretton denies there is a difference.He says personally he thinks they look the same. He then went on to say that the footage shown was not meant for the public and was only shown to private members and was not advertised at all which it was not. He continues to say that the footage was merely to show what the system could do and he thinks in the end it will deliver on that promise.

EGM asks Tretton about how he views the 360 as a competitor.
a. Tretton dances around the questions and quotes PS2 sales. Editorial note: WTF, I thought we were talking about the PS3???Firstly he talks about competition in general and how its not just gaming but also other forms of media such as movies they are compete ting with, he then goes on to say this about the 360 "I think we've git a better machine, I think we've got a better business model and I think we are going to win in the long term." Thats really dancing around the subject isn't it? The only thing he says about the PS2 is hes surmised it outsold the 360 during the Holidays which it did, and how that slightly concerns him because of the 360 is not selling does that mean people do not want Next Generation graphics.

EGM asks how he views the Wii as a competitor
Tretton dances around the question and never really answers it.He does not at all dance around the subject. He says Nintendo is trying to find their place in the market and based upon early results they have done it fairly well. He then goes on to say though that he is not sure if the Wii is the type of machine that will push the industry in quantum leaps like Sony has in terms of consumer market. By that I mean he says he is not sure the Wii will really bring in the hundreds of millions of people like the Playstation has.

EGM asks the BluRay question you KNEW was coming
a. Amazingly he doesn’t pump up BluRay, just says it is an asset and that the success/failure will be up to the studios. Editorial note: You mean the studios, many of which Sony owns?He says in a very polite way that he does not think Sony can single handily push the Blu-Ray format as thats up to the consumer but they do feel they can help it. He then goes on to say how he sees it as a wonderful asset to have not because of movies but because it helps developers be less restricted. He also said that he does not think Sony can or should single handily carry Blu-Ray on its back.

EGM asks why UMD failed
a, Tretton is surprising candid, admits it failed and then returns to form and blamed the studios for charging too much for UMDs and putting the wrong movies out. Editorial note: Again, you mean the studios, many of which Sony owns? He says he does not feel the movie undistry understands the gaming market completly and as such did not release content gamers were extremly interested in. He also says that from a consumer standpoint it does not make since to buy a UMD for 30 dollars when the same movies is 20dollars on DVD.

EGM asks about downloadable games:
a.Tretton says he hopes to make many game that were available only in other regions available for download on the PS3. Editorial note: FINALLY good news! There has been great news throughout this article, but yes he basically says he wants to bring classic Playstation games to the market and hopes to also undo the region code issue.

EGM asks a bunch of dumb questions about game ratings and the industry itself. I won't go into details.....
By this you mean you skipped half the article because you could not think how to edit it around to make him look bad?
In all honesty Fudge I knew you hated Sony and I know editing reviews to fit your idea is a common practice, but in the future maybe you should either quote it word for word or just tell people to buy the magazine. I mean you seem to be the only one here going out of their way to make a system look bad, do you see me posting news anytime I see something that says the 360 is not great? No I have not made one thread about it because I do not own the system and don't think it's my place to start putting it down, I also don't care.

[Adragontattoo]

Ok, so are you bashing the article or agreeing with it? Im sure that multiple members here could give a VALID list of reasons that the PS3 is NOT selling well and could arguably be classified as a failure.

[tenchi86]

As I could give a great amount of reasons its selling great and is not a failure. Such as outselling the best selling system of all time, or being the most reserved console in Europe of all time. The point of my recent post was to clear up somethings I think Fudge really misrepresented when he copied the article to the computer screen, nothing about the PS3 itself.

[Surfrider77]

Another PS3 vs 360 thread... oh how amusing.

And Fudge slamming the PS3 and pimping his 360... even more suprising.

Can we at least limit these threads to once a week? It's getting so old. :rolleyes:

[FudgeNuggets]

Another PS3 vs 360 thread... oh how amusing.

And Fudge slamming the PS3 and pimping his 360... even more suprising.

Can we at least limit these threads to once a week? It's getting so old. :rolleyes:

WTF dudes???? Did I mention the 360 once? NO!
Did I bash the PS3 once? NO
Pehaps Tenchi interpreted his comments differently than I did, but I got the vibe that the interviewer was getting pretty annoyed with him.

Here is my point in summarization: JACK TRETTON CAME OFF AS ARROGANT AND A JERK AND THUS DID SONY NO FAVOURS FROM A PR STANDPOINT. IN FACT HE PROBABLT HURT THEIR IMAGE FURTHER. That's it...

Usually I do not bide by the advice "If you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything at all", but judging from the amount of whiney e-mails and hate mails I've got from you guys, I'm just going to drop PS3 commentary all together until I get one this summer or fall for the BluRay player (unless a cheaper than 20GB PS3 BluRay player is released) and let you guys love your precious Sony and gaze upon them through your rose-tinted spectacles.

[Surfrider77]

Fudge, honestly I have respect for you... I just have seen far too many Fudge vs PS3 threads over the last few weeks to call it coincidence. I honestly dont know whats your beef. It's almost as if you have to convince yourself and anyone reading that you are happy with the decision of buying a 360 over the PS3.

Fact is, I am happy with my puchase of my PS3 for various reasons. I just dont go dredging up every fact flawed and opinionated 360 article I can find to post here to feel better about it.

You're happy with your 360... we get it already.

I am happy with my PS3 as well.

Shall we leave it at that?

[tenchi86]

The thing Fudge is I think you are trying to read it in a bad way. He came off to me as a rather nice guy and didn't dance around any of the subjects, he even put up EGM during the interview. I agree with Surfrider77 though and it's basically what I was trying to say in that PM I sent you. People all picked their systems for their own reasons and we are glad you like your 360. That's not reason though to try and put down the PS3 every chance you get, especially when it forces a lot of threads to go off topic, which honestly has shocked me how little the Mods have stopped it. (Not this one, as this was about PS3 issues anyway)

[FudgeNuggets]

Hey I REALLY like my Wii too.
It's not about 360 vs PS3 and which one I bought. With me, it's about how I've been screwed repeatedly by Sony with bad hardware both consoles and PC (same issue across the board really, the optical drives). I can't say it is ONLY a Sony issue either as the optical drive on my 360 quit working. The difference is Microsoft is replacing the 360 and giving me a free game for $35, where-as when all 4 of my Sony consoles quit working, Sony said pay us $150 to fix it or buy another. I own about 20 consoles as we speak and have owned about 30 in my life and other than the 360 now, I've NEVER had a problem with any of them except for my 2 broken PS1s (my 3rd PS1 is on its' last legs but still working) and 2 broken PS3s. Yes, it is a vendetta but I have legitimate reasons and I'm not the only one who has been done this way.

I WILL buy a PS3 (unless another MFG puts out a BluRay player for under $500 by this summer/fall) but I WILL buy a 2 year warranty as well and break it before it runs out if I get the PS3.

Anyway, I'm done talking about the PS3 at the request of all the hatemail I got (gee I feel like a Republican talk show host now ;) LOL ).

[Adragontattoo]

As I could give a great amount of reasons its selling great and is not a failure. Such as outselling the best selling system of all time, or being the most reserved console in Europe of all time. The point of my recent post was to clear up somethings I think Fudge really misrepresented when he copied the article to the computer screen, nothing about the PS3 itself.

Where did you get your info stating that the PS3 was the best selling console ever?

http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=Wii&type=2&align=0

http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=X360&type=2&align=0

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/766/766464p1.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/12/business/game.php

http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=50247

http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/playstation-2-out-sells-all-other-consoles/

Where in that does it say that the PS3 is best selling?

[Surfrider77]

Hey I REALLY like my Wii too.
It's not about 360 vs PS3 and which one I bought. With me, it's about how I've been screwed repeatedly by Sony with bad hardware both consoles and PC (same issue across the board really, the optical drives). I can't say it is ONLY a Sony issue either as the optical drive on my 360 quit working. The difference is Microsoft is replacing the 360 and giving me a free game for $35, where-as when all 4 of my Sony consoles quit working, Sony said pay us $150 to fix it or buy another. I own about 20 consoles as we speak and have owned about 30 in my life and other than the 360 now, I've NEVER had a problem with any of them except for my 2 broken PS1s (my 3rd PS1 is on its' last legs but still working) and 2 broken PS3s. Yes, it is a vendetta but I have legitimate reasons and I'm not the only one who has been done this way...

Dunno, you just seem on the far end of the curve on consoles crapping out. What on earth do you do with the things?? I have my original PS1 in a box somewhere that I bought in 1997 or so... still has the modchip I soldered and installed myself. It has been a few years since its been fired up, but last I tried it worked flawlessly.

My PS2 I got in the first week of release back in 2000. Obviously its a first gen PS2 and I have never had a single hiccup with the thing. I was using this system all the way until my PS3 arrived in the mail, lastly playing FFXII. But, in fairness... I had 1 (and only 1) friend who had read problems with his. I always accounted to the fact he let his 5 year old play it and it had quite a bit of abuse in his hands.

Now, I have my PS3 and couldnt be happier... well, until GT5 and FFXIII make it out. The biggest problem I see with the PS3 is a craptastic launch title selection. That doesnt bother me though, as the PS2 wasnt much better and we all know how that turned out.

Just seems strange you have so many failures, thats all.

[tenchi86]

I never said the PS3 was the best selling system of all time, I said it outsold it. Which it did, the PS2 is the best selling console of all time and it outsold it launch wise.

[FudgeNuggets]

Seriously, NONE of my consoles do anything but sit on a shelf. I do nothing to them aside from dusting them off ever now and then. Remember I have 20 consoles and have only had problems with 3 so that is 17/20 that have operated flawlessly and in the case of the ColecoVision it has operated flawlessly for 20 years, so it's not me. The PS1s and PS2s had serious problems with their laser units and with the trackers. It's well documented. As for the 360, I don't know what it's issue is other than it quit reading discs after about a year.

As for the launch titles, I remember being NOT AT ALL happy with the games I got for the 360 at launch (well mainly Madden) but they games got MUCH better about 6 months in. I image it'll be the same with the PS3, except that so many have been cancelled or majorly delayed.

[tenchi86]

/\Resistance and Fight Night are already awsome, but exclusive wise March should be the prime time. As for your luck, I leave my PS2 on all the time (Well I did till I got the PS3, it is yet to be turned off since my purchase in December) and it worked fine. The laser did finally give out but it only took a few minutes to fix and have only done it maybe twice since then. Sony really cannot predict long term things like that though. I mean the Xbox overheating was easy to see and MS should have caught it before the thing launched, but a gear breaking 12 months down the road is impossible to foresee.

[rainless]

Wow... I'm sorry I took so long reading this. This is your best post EVER Fudge :beer:

I even liked the editorial notes. Now I wish to god somebody would get the Nintendo people that decided the N64 should be a cartridge based system, the Gamecube shouldn't be online, and none of the Wii launch titles needed to be online up for an interview.

I mean Tetton is DEFINATELY an idiot. I saw a video for this guy. He sort of reminds me of the press secretary for a certain political party somewhere in the world... He's the kind of guy you just want to punch repeatedly.

Still... I think this wonderful article probably happened only because it's currently fashionable to critique Sony. I see Nintendo running into even more trouble if the only online playable game in the foreseeable future is a Pokemon title. (The only online game ever released for gamecube was Phantasy Star Online.) I'm sure they'd never come close to critiquing Nintendo for fear of some insane amount of backlash.

Still it sounds like an excellent article, and if they still have these things on the shelf, I'll try to get one tomorrow.