Hdd Jumper Help!!! Asap Please

[Crash893]

Okay i was trying to set up my new computer with a new hdd ( makeing 2 total)

i know jumpers arnt that hard but what is up with this

so here is my questions

Questions#1

what is the proper config for this drive if its all by its self

Question#2

what is the proper config for this drive if its the master in a two HDD set up

Question#3

what settings beat what settings ( example if both HDD were on master what would happen)

Question#4 whats up with this upper lower and clip 32 gig stuff?

im attaching a immage of the jumper instructions on my hdd that i have no idea how to read

its a 40gig hdd


sorry if this is a stupid question but its 3.40 in the am and my brain is shot

[Wa11y]

What BRAND of hard drive is it? The brand and model number would be oh, so helpful in fixing your problem.

[moonunit]

Woah. That's more than a bit weird. The sane person in me says jumpers shouldn't cross over rows like that.

I'd stay away from cable-select where possible. I've never had any joy with that.

If it's made by IBM or some similarly helpful company, their web-sites have complete technical details, but you gotta know the model number.

I'm guessing that the upper/lower 32GB thingies could be referring to platters... so I wouldn't bother with them.

[Wa11y]

I've seen them cross over like that before. My thoughts are: if the manufacturer says it should be like that, set it up like that.

[Ridenow]

Originally posted by crash893
Okay i was trying to set up my new computer with a new hdd ( makeing 2 total)

i know jumpers arnt that hard but what is up with this

so here is my questions

Questions#1

what is the proper config for this drive if its all by its self

Question#2

what is the proper config for this drive if its the master in a two HDD set up

Question#3

what settings beat what settings ( example if both HDD were on master what would happen)

Question#4 whats up with this upper lower and clip 32 gig stuff?

im attaching a immage of the jumper instructions on my hdd that i have no idea how to read

its a 40gig hdd


sorry if this is a stupid question but its 3.40 in the am and my brain is shot

Ok, it would be helpful to know the brand and model, but here goes.

#1
Most of the time a single drive is set to master or has no jumpers at all. In this case it is labled that it should be set to master, See where it says (1 drive)

#2
The top row of pictures is what you need to look at, do not worry about the other pics. The one that says master in the upper left is what you want.

#3
Huh? There are no settings that beat another? DMA settings are controlled in the BIOS, the jumpers only set master and slave.

#4
Those settings are for older BIOS that can not recognize a drive over 32GB. Do not worry about them unless you are putting this drive in a very old computer. You just need to look at the top row.

Still confused, just ask.

[Ridenow]

Originally posted by moonunit
Woah. That's more than a bit weird. The sane person in me says jumpers shouldn't cross over rows like that.

I'd stay away from cable-select where possible. I've never had any joy with that.

If it's made by IBM or some similarly helpful company, their web-sites have complete technical details, but you gotta know the model number.

I'm guessing that the upper/lower 32GB thingies could be referring to platters... so I wouldn't bother with them.

Jumpers set cross rows like that are common, just those settings are not needed much with modern BIOS.

It is funny that you mention CS and IBM. The older IBM drives I have worked with would only work on CS settings. That is one reason I do not like IBM drives.

[Crash893]

samsung made it



so should i not worry about the other settings just go with LOWER 32 gig window and just use that for everything

what i ment in quesiton3

is like if two drives are both on master witch one wins
if there both on cable select witch one wins
if both on slave
if ones on slave and ones on CL
stuff like that

its a new computer

[Ridenow]

Originally posted by crash893

so should i not worry about the other settings just go with LOWER 32 gig window and just use that for everything


Yes.


what i ment in quesiton3

is like if two drives are both on master witch one wins
if there both on cable select witch one wins
if both on slave
if ones on slave and ones on CL
stuff like that


I am still a little confused. Which one "wins"?

If you have 2 drives set to slave on the same cable they will not work. The only way to make 2 drives on the same cable work is to either have both set to cable select or one as the master and one as slave. Just like Yoda says, " Always 2 there are. A master and an apprentice".
The performance is the same, it is just a way for the controller to keep track of which drive it is talking to.

[eobard]

If both are master or both are slave I don't think either wins (takes precedence as master or slave). I think neither would work. Just my opinion, I've never tried setting both to master or slave. As for cable select it means just that, the cable decides which is master and which is slave. This applies to the 80 wire cables but I don't know about the 40 wire ones. If you look at the 80 wire cables you'll see they have 3 different color connectors. One color is specifically for master, one for slave and one for the motherboard. Something inside the connector must differentiate. Hope that helps.

[Ridenow]

It does not matter if it is a 40pin or 80pin cable.
The different colors on the 80 pin cables are a "suggested" setup, they will work the other way. There is no difference in the connectors, except color. I have done it. I have also set both drives to master and had to say "Doh!" when neither drive was accessable.

[Crash893]

well i just used 1 jumper on master and it seems every thing is working

found out what went wrong though


i was trying to add a pittly 175 mb drive for linux to go on
put it in and mandrax screwed over the main boot recored or seomthing like that.

soo i just formated the hdd but it still wont let me install anything on that drive

now my question for you is

A) how do you make a boot disk in w2k
b) if you just take the contents of a boot disk and burn it to a cd will that work as a bootable cd?

[Ridenow]

A) You don't. The best way is to just use a 98 boot disk. There is a way to make a set of 4 disks that will boot W2K, but it is not worth doing it.
FYI, NT takes 3 disks and I avoid ME, but I think it is 2 or 3 disks as well.
If you do not have a 98 disk, there are sites that have a program(image) that will make a 98 boot disk. I think the best one is bootdisk.com

B) No. You have to make a boot disk and set an option in the burnning software to make bootable. What it does is make an image of the boot disk on the CD that is separate from the data portion of the CD. It is made into a file I think is named boot.bin. I have not done it in months and do not remember.

[turd]

boot disk for 2k

put in floppy have 3 more ready
put in 2kcd type <cd drive>:\bootdisk\makeboot a:

[Crash893]

okay well heres whats going on

A) cant find the 2k disk for that computer

B) i think the fdd is brokein on that computer

C) w2k is on another computer i have access to that has a cd burner


what do you advise it do.

[turd]

dont really know what u want to do with it or y, if u are asking can u boot into a prompt to fdisk from your cd, or boot into your os to get to your RC, or prompt from a cd- yes the 2kCd, can you make a bootable disk to boot into 2k without using the 2kcd yes, but you will need some files from the 2kcd. i use a 2kcd that i have altered to just do my updating/installing/reinstalling without me needing to type in any serial # it makes my frequent reinstallas that much easier, but i start with my 2kcd. here is a site that will explain some good stuff, including utilities for setting up various boot cds. there might be another way but i dont know of it:
http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#whatis

[Crash893]

okay well heres what i want to do

i need to do

c:\fdisk /mdr or what ever becuase my boot sector is all screwed up

my problem is the floppy on the computer is broken

i have the w2k cd now but i can get into the w2k os becuase of the problem with the boot record

so from the cd how do i do the fdisk with the mdr switch?

[eobard]

Boot to the CD as if you were trying to do an install and then exit the install to a DOS prompt (if you can do that with 2k) then "fdisk /mbr" (not mdr). If I understand the question I think that should do the trick.

[Crash893]

cant

theres no os at all on the hdd

if i edit the install it just restarts and goes threw the post and bios again

anyone know an option you can do from the 2k disk

thanks alot to all you guys helping me out

[eobard]

Well that's it for me, my brain is tapped on this one. Sorry, someone else wanna take over now?

[turd]

boot into your recovery console on the 2kcd then type help, you will see a bunch of commands like Diskpart,Fixboot,Fixmbr to name a few

[Ridenow]

If you have access to a computer running 95/98, make a boot disk on it. It is much easier. Don't forget to copy the fdisk program.
If you do not have access to one, you can download a program that will make one from bootdisk.com. If you are still having problems I can email you one of the images I use at work.

[Crash893]

nope no access to a machine below 2k

im going to try thouse concule comands
ill let you know how it went

[Kingslayer]

Here's a little blurb for you on jumpering info.

Master: Will take precedence regardless of where it is located on the cable.

Slave: Will take second seat to master regardless of where it is located on the cable.

Cable Select: The drive at the end of the cable will be automatically treated as Master, the drive in the center of the cable will be treated as Slave.

And those two bottom pins on a Samsung drive that you say "cross rows" are dead pins and are there for no other reason than to hold the extra jumper in place.

[Crash893]

thanks

okay here is my progress

ive tried fixmbr from the concle on the 2k disk

now the computer loads like this

checking for floppy boot....no
checking for cdrom boot.........no
chcecking for ide-0 boot........ok

then nothing happens

starting to get frustrating

anyideas guys

[turd]

yes, run diskpart from the RC, see if the disk and partitions are being recognized then run a repair install from the same 2kdisk, if you cant get that run an install, if you cant get that, start again with your jumpers, run chkdsk

[Crash893]

okay im going to try that now

but i dont think thats going to work since i already set up the partitions on that disk with the 2k disk during the instalation

is there anyway i can put a boot disk in and have it reset teh whole disk to manufature standards?

[turd]

yes if u had a floppy just go to the manafacturer web site and download their software, most have good disk stuff,

otherwise u can try(again) a repair or reinstall from the 2kdisk

[Crash893]

okay here is what i have done


booted to 2k cd

went to the repair concole

formated

fixmbr

fixboot

THEN

reboted with 2k cd and installed the software

now

when i boot the computer


goes threw post
then it starts looking for boot stuff

heres what it reads

Searching for boot record from floppy..notfound
searching for boot record from cdrom.. not found
searching for boot record from ide-0 .ok

then it just stops there

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS THING
( and i would also like to state that you guys helping me are the greatest)