My Guide For people buying video cards

[funnyperson1]

THIS GUIDE HAS BEEN MOVED TO:
http://oc3dmark.octeams.com/cardguide.html





Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-32$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-79$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-89$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-42$
Geforce4MX420-50$
KyroII-60$
RadeonLE-37$
Geforce2GTS32mb-V-32$
RadeonDDR 32mb-44$
Geforce2 GTS - 53$
Radeon 64mb DDR 64$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-84$
Geforce2 Ti-50$
Radeon7500DDR(OEM)-56$
Geforce4 MX 440-60$
Geforce2 Ultra-84$
Geforce4 MX460- 93$
Radeon 9000Pro-82$
Geforce3 Ti200-69$
Radeon 8500LE- 72$
Geforce 3-92$
Radeon 8500LE 128mb-92$
Radeon 8500-87$
Geforce3 Ti500-102$
Geforce4 Ti4200(64)-107$
Geforce4 Ti4400-185$
Matrox Parhelia-321$
Radeon 9500Pro-199$
Geforce4 Ti4600-220$
Radeon9700-299$
Radeon 9700Pro-311$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....Update: i have included PNY because i have been convinced that they are a quality company....

PLEASE! Do not buy a Geforce 4 MX performance wise these are just Geforce2s and ive ranked them accordingly....i CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH....are you really trying to tell me that you couldnt afford the extra 9$ for a Ti200 (compared to MX440) ?:)

The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

I wouldnt get a Ti500 because for 10 more dollars you can get a Ti4200....the regular Geforce3s are pretty good deals though

Avoid Geforce2 Ultras/Pros....the Tis are not at a bad price but i still would invest 20-30$ extra for a Ti200 or 8500

the regular 9700 should be the card to watch for when it comes out....a good deal cheaper than the 9700Pro but a heck of a lot faster than a 4600

the 9500Pro should also be an interesting card depeding on how low the street price drops....

none of the reviews i read actually showed me the performance of the regular 9500 so i left it out, i would guess it comes in somewhere between a 9000Pro and a Ti4200.....

the Parhelia poses a problem as it is a nice card when FSAA is turned on (minimal performance drop) but otherwise isnt much faster than the Geforce3/8500s

I recommend these cards when image quality/performance is the scale and not raw speed:

50-75$ Geforce Ti200
75-120$ Radeon 8500LE/128/9000Pro, Geforce4 Ti4200 tie
120-150$Geforce 4 ti4200
150-200$ Geforce4 Ti4400/Radeon9500 Pro
200-300$ Geforce4 Ti4600/Radeon9700
300$+Radeon 9700Pro


Update:
G2 Ti dropped 11$ !!
MX440 dropped 16$ !!!!
MX460 dropped by 3$
Ti200 dropped by 2$
8500 128mb LE dropped by 5 $
Ti500 dropped by 10$
4400 dropped by 2$
4600 dropped by 3$
Radeon 8500LE dropped by 9$
Ti4200s dropped WAY down....but thats only one company

[iggybaseball]

:eek: WOW:eek: Thanks a lot funnyperson1. I was just about to post this as a new question thread since I will be running into the holidays and i'm getting a new mb with vd card and price and performance mean a lot to me. Thanks a lot again:D

[funnyperson1]

no porb, im glad i was able to help...:)

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

I sure wouldnt call PNY a crappy company. I would take one over something like a Gainward which is well known to use very cheap components when making their vid cards.

[Despotes]

Where did you here that Gainward uses low quality components?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
I sure wouldnt call PNY a crappy company. I would take one over something like a Gainward which is well known to use very cheap components when making their vid cards.

Crappy may have been an exaggeration, but still the PNY Quality is nowhere up there with Visiontek, ATI, Hercules, or MSI....

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Oh I wouldnt say that. They use the best(PNY) 6 layer PC board of the bunch, excellent traces(Hercules does not have good trace quality by comparison,very sloppy solder joints many times)and its layout I have found to be the cleanest of the bunch listed. They may not use a fancy looking fan or chipset cooler, but the hardware itself is definetly on the mark. I used to stock Hercules products, but have had alot of RMA's in the past. At that time PNY came along with what I found to be a superior made product. Besides PNY, The Asus and Abit GF3 cards are carried by my store. As these are the top 3 quality vid cards with the GF chipsets made as of present date. They all use the best PC boards, all have solid trace designs,all use excellent RAM chips and have a superior track record on reliability thus far.

Oh and please dont ever associate ATI with top quality physical production, as they are the biggest offenders on skimping wherever its possible to on their manufacturing process. They arent cheaper to everybody for no reason ya know.

[funnyperson1]

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[funnyperson1]

oh, yeah, i will be updatign prices every week...

[joey_rjm5]

Since you said you are listing these slowest to fastest, why do you think a voodoo3 is faster than a geforce mx200? I find that hard to believe. It is also behind a tnt2 ultra...????? How is it that a geforce 2 mx200 can be slower tha a tnt2ultra. Other than this, I agree with the rest of your list for the most part.:)

[WyrmMaster]

Someone should sticky this (hint hint, wink wink;) ;) )

[eh?]

Originally posted by joey_rjm5
Since you said you are listing these slowest to fastest, why do you think a voodoo3 is faster than a geforce mx200? I find that hard to believe. It is also behind a tnt2 ultra...????? How is it that a geforce 2 mx200 can be slower tha a tnt2ultra. Other than this, I agree with the rest of your list for the most part.:)
your right no voodoo is faster than any geforce 2 mx, the geforce 2 400 mx kills the vodoo 5

*edit* btw nice work

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by drdingo21

your right no voodoo is faster than any geforce 2 mx, the geforce 2 400 mx kills the vodoo 5

*edit* btw nice work

actually if you search back in the forums there are several people who said they got an MX200 and it was a downgrade from a Voodoo3, and i read a couple of review isn which the TNT2 Ultra beat the MX 200...lets see the MX400 has 128bit SDRAM, and the 200 has 64bit, the bandwith on it sucks, i will do more research to make sure, but i am positive that at least a Voodoo4 is faster than the MX200....

[funnyperson1]

update, Radeon7000.32mbDDR for 49$ at pricewatch....very good deal, expect performance close to the GTS and a whole lot better than the mx400...its not even a contest.....

edit: sorry but the one for 49$ turned out was a VE....

[Yobbzz]

Just so everyone knows.

THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR ANY VOODOO PRODUCTS!!!!!

[funnyperson1]

bump.....

[Eliminator]

Excellent thread.

Make it stick!

[supraway]

I have to defend the Gainward cards out there. I'm using the Gainward Geforce3 Golden Sample. GUARANTEED TO OVERCLOCK. For the most part, their technical support is good, the card has vivo, and has the BEST 2d quality of any Geforce-line card out there. Don't believe me? Go to Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/). You will see :).

[iggybaseball]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
bump.....

off topic, but what does bump mean?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by iggybaseball


off topic, but what does bump mean?

it bumps a thread back up to the top of the forums where everyone can see it...about to update prices....:D

[funnyperson1]

Small fluctuations, and some mistakes on my part this week:rolleyes: ...

I just notived that the Geforce2 Ultras under 218$ were all eVGAs and Palit MIcrosystems....

Weird happenings:
Geforce2 Pro more expensive than Ti?

I do NOT recommend getting either a Geforce2 Pro or an Ultra at these prices....the Geforce2 Ti and the Radeon 7500 are almost the same performance as an Ultra at much lower prices....

Right now i recommend
50-75$ Geforce2 GTS
75-120$ Radeon 7500
120-200$ Geforce3 Ti200/Radeon8500LE Tie
200-300$ Radeon8500
300+$ Geforce3 Ti500

[Wega!]

BUMP again!

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Walter:-)
BUMP again!

lol....someone needs to sticky this thread before we start boucing off walls with bumpiness :)...

[daddyloy]

Where does Geforce2 GTS stands no comments on this thread.
does it mean you guys are avoiding it ? Iam about to get it . here in our country it cost about $80. I think the price is fair enough, but how about its performance!

[Wega!]

Yeah you are right. Let's hope some of the mod's see's it soon.


BTW can you help me a little in the thread I just made? Thanks.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by daddyloy
Where does Geforce2 GTS stands no comments on this thread.
does it mean you guys are avoiding it ? Iam about to get it . here in our country it cost about $80. I think the price is fair enough, but how about its performance!

no the 32mb GTS is just under the Radeon64mbDDR VIVO if you look closely, the 64mb one is not worth it, might as well get a pro then....i also suggested the GTS in a post on this thread...:)

also walter, i had posted in your thread right before i read your reply :)

[funnyperson1]

bump:D

[Virus]

What the hell is a Radeon 8500LE? How is it different than a normal 8500? Thanks.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Virus
What the hell is a Radeon 8500LE? How is it different than a normal 8500? Thanks.

the LE is any 8500 that does not come in an ATI box (for right now, Gigabyte and other companies are gonna shipp full-fledged 8500s soon) they are clocked 25mhz lower at 250/250 as opposed to the retails boxes 275/275 also there is something in the bios which inhibits overclocking :(....i have seen people fix this with a bios flash...

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


Crappy may have been an exaggeration, but still the PNY Quality is nowhere up there with Visiontek, ATI, Hercules, or MSI....

If they are so crappy and the other companies are so good , how come my PNY card has a Lifetime warranty and the others dont??? , also I am happy with my 7899 3d mark score ,not bad for a ti200 I dont think.

wildone

[wildone]

also ,if you wanna know the top fastest ,here they are

[mEKbOY]

PNY does suck...I am using a pny ti200 and look at my results in my sig.

[funnyperson1]

its not too far from my list, except i try to include performance on actual games as well as 3dmarks.....3dmark would tell me that a KyroII is slower than a GF2MX, and that is plain wrong....also yeah, since i have been proven wrong about my misconceptions of PNY i will change my wording but not the prices, because most people like me, see the name PNY and try to go for something better.....

[mEKbOY]

Thats what i thought too....but if you look at the new packaging on the PNY's and the new stock heatsinsks and features thet added it looks like they improved there quality. I love my card.

[wildone]

but guys ,I have seen people with cards clocked alot higher then mine and my 3d mark score still be higher ,3d mark shows off a card,some cards just dont do everything 3d mark has to offer ,thats why an MX would beat that card ,also,isnt that card more of a buisness card then a gameing card?

wildone

[wildone]

Look at my card

[wildone]

Originally posted by wildone
Look at my card

[mEKbOY]

Originally posted by wildone
Look at my card
Yet another success with a pny card. I think its been some n00b's getting the cards and not knowing what to do it. This is my first try with a pny card and my overclocks are great. Quality is superb and i have not had a problem yet. I say if you see a pny for cheap grab it...you will not be disapointed.

[funnyperson1]

the MX beats the KyroII because the KyroII has no hardware t&l however in most any games the KyroII will definately whoop up...especially if you have a decent cpu...

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


that is pretty sweet, looks like ill have to rethink my opinion og PNY:eek:

[mEKbOY]

Originally posted by wildone


I have my gpu on my pny running at 240 with this copper sink...the ram is at 510 with the stock sinks but i will be replacing em with some copper ones and see if i can get 530.

[wildone]

just in case any of you wanna take a look ,here is my 3d mark link

http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2195854

wildone

[Virus]

Is the $55 more for the standard 8500 worth it over the LE? How much more performance do you actually get? Thanks.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Virus
Is the $55 more for the standard 8500 worth it over the LE? How much more performance do you actually get? Thanks.

the LE at stock settings is better than a Ti200, about the same, maybe a little slower than a regular Geforce3, the 8500 normal is about as fast and faster in some things than a Ti500, personally since various people have psoted ways to flash the retail bios and overclock the LE to past 8500 speeds, i for myself dont think the 55$ is worth it, however there is a risk invloved in flashing the bios and some people prefer to pay extra money for security:)

[CJPC]

No wonder why I paid 100 bux for my geforce2-mx400 from msi, when a buddy got the same thing from Gainward for 50.00 but every time he reboots, the graphics get all screwed up, so he has to shut it off and turn it back on repeately.

[funnyperson1]

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[funnyperson1]

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[funnyperson1]

Updates this week, prices havent changed much, so i havent edited those or my recommendations......however i did place my recommendations of the different price ranges in the first post where everyone can see them...

[Despotes]

Here's a good link for comparing the performance of the ti's with each manufacturer.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q4/011218/geforce-ti-29.html

[gotey]

I think you should switch the Radeon LE and the Radeon 7000. The 7000 is just a renamed Radeon VE, which has the 64bit DDR memory bus,not at all like the radeon LE which is a de-clocked Radeon DDR with hyper Z disabled (easy enogh to enable)

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-60$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-30$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-97$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-52$
KyroII-64$
RadeonLE-59$
RadeonDDR 32mb-64$
Geforce2GTS32mb-62$
Radeon 64mb DDR147$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-105$
Geforce2 Ti-96$
Radeon7500-102$
Geforce2 Ultra-218$
Geforce3 Ti200-165$
Radeon 8500LE-182$
Geforce 3-227$
Radeon 8500-239$
Geforce3 Ti500-300$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....

The sweet spot seems to be about 65$ where there are a couple very good cards....

Right now i recommend
50-75$ Geforce2 GTS
75-120$ Radeon 7500
120-200$ Geforce3 Ti200/Radeon8500LE Tie
200-300$ Radeon8500
300+$ Geforce3 Ti500

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by gotey
I think you should switch the Radeon LE and the Radeon 7000. The 7000 is just a renamed Radeon VE, which has the 64bit DDR memory bus,not at all like the radeon LE which is a de-clocked Radeon DDR with hyper Z disabled (easy enogh to enable)

thanks, this ATI naming system is truly confusing me...

[earthdick]

funnyperson1, thanks for the very informative thread. Which card do you think has the best bang for the buck? I have a Radeon LE 32mb DDR card that I flashed with the retail bios. This card was a real bargain for the performance.

[iggybaseball]

what's vivo?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by earthdick
funnyperson1, thanks for the very informative thread. Which card do you think has the best bang for the buck? I have a Radeon LE 32mb DDR card that I flashed with the retail bios. This card was a real bargain for the performance.

the best bang for buck is a tie between the Ti200 and the Radeon 8500LE(if you do your research)....both (again if you do some research) can be easily overclocked to the speeds of the highest performing video cards out there for the consumer and cost less than 200$ while performing better than some cards that cost more than 300$.....read Silversink Sam's analysis of the Radeon8500LE status and the Visiontek Ti200s ive heard great things abourt....

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by iggybaseball
what's vivo?

Video In-Video Out.....useful for such things as watching/editing VHS movies on your puter or watching your puter on a TV...

[iggybaseball]

funnyperson1 keep this updated: BUMP:)

[funnyperson1]

bump, im about to update....

[MilkPowder-2]

Originally posted by iggybaseball


off topic, but what does bump mean?

Bump = Bump Mapping.

Enabling Bump Mapping would make yur grafix look purrrty. I like environmental Cubic Mapping. Mip Mapping however, is different than the Bump Mapping. Bump mapping has textures that gives very bumpy look. LOL Mip mapping includes Bilinear, Trilinear filtering, etc.. Anisotropic (64 tap preferred) is preferred for extreme sharp, crisp, realistic texturing. Hella better than those blurry Voodoo funky FSAA stuff know what I mean?.. Man Im just KIDDING!!! :D

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by MilkPowder-2


Bump = Bump Mapping.

Enabling Bump Mapping would make yur grafix look purrrty. I like environmental Cubic Mapping. Mip Mapping however, is different than the Bump Mapping. Bump mapping has textures that gives very bumpy look. LOL Mip mapping includes Bilinear, Trilinear filtering, etc.. Anisotropic (64 tap preferred) is preferred for extreme sharp, crisp, realistic texturing. Hella better than those blurry Voodoo funky FSAA stuff know what I mean?.. Man Im just KIDDING!!! :D

lol:rolleyes:

[Taylor]

Radeon LE was the first decent card I ever got, bought a few of them and put them in boxes I built for ppl. They love 'em too.

I just bought a 7200, haven't installed it yet but expect to made happy; I figure after I work with that for awhile I'll be able to appreciate the 7500 and 8500.

The box I'm typing this on has a riva tnt2 which I've had for awhile now, does OK but then I'm not much of a gamer and I don't have a DVD on this box. It doesn't handle "Silent Hunter II" very well at all, I have to put it into a less-than-the-best mode (to say the least) to play the game.

[BMorg003]

bump!

-Great Thread! A must read!:beer:

[funnyperson1]

bump

[funnyperson1]

bump for subconcept:)

[funnyperson1]

bizump

[mEKbOY]

Where is the all in wonder radeon 8500dv? Its got more features than anything else out.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by mEKbOY
Where is the all in wonder radeon 8500dv? Its got more features than anything else out.

right but this guide pertains to speed and image quality only...i dont have enough time to document features as well, also the speed should be on par with the 8500LE as i heard it is clocked lower than the normal 8500...

[RainMaQer]

Need to bump this... sorry:D

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by RainMaQer
Need to bump this... sorry:D

lol, i pmed NewbieDoo, to see if i could get a sticky but no response yet:eh?:

[RainMaQer]

If it helps I second the motion for a sticky:D

[Taylor]

I wonder if we really want to sticky this. I mean it's extremely useful, for sure, but the prices change often enough that maybe even by now it's a bit off. Just a thought. Thanks for putting this together.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Taylor
I wonder if we really want to sticky this. I mean it's extremely useful, for sure, but the prices change often enough that maybe even by now it's a bit off. Just a thought. Thanks for putting this together.

hmm...i try to update every week or so....when i get the time...(edit button gets used a lot :))

[funnyperson1]

just updateed prices again :)...lots of droppage :D

[chevelle_alero]

i was looking at getting an ati all in wonder 128 pro 32MB AGP because i wanted the ability to watch tv on my monitor because i don't have a tv, and also want to be able to record shows and movies, along with being able to play some games, but nothing really hardcore, i've found at the pricewatch website, that its about $104

i know its an older card, but i want one with a tv tuner, but nothing too expensive either, what do you guys think?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by chevelle_alero
i was looking at getting an ati all in wonder 128 pro 32MB AGP because i wanted the ability to watch tv on my monitor because i don't have a tv, and also want to be able to record shows and movies, along with being able to play some games, but nothing really hardcore, i've found at the pricewatch website, that its about $104

i know its an older card, but i want one with a tv tuner, but nothing too expensive either, what do you guys think?


i had a rage fury pro, and really its a nice card unless you play newer games with whifh youll have trouble......an all in wonder radeon is good for like 113 you can get an All in wonder Radeon which will play the newest games even....

[chevelle_alero]

what is the difference between the ati's all in wonder 128 and the all in wonder 128 pro
they both can come with 32MB capability, but what makes one better than the other, cause they are about the same price and seem to have all the same ports on the back of the card

[funnyperson1]

The only major difference between the three cards is gaming performance:

All-IN-Wonder 128 - 90$-Good for QuakeII/Half-Life/CS

All-In-Wonder 128 Pro- 105$-Good for QuakeIII/Unreal Tournament

All-In-Wonder Radeon256 - 115$- Good for any game out today....really if you play games its worth it...

[chevelle_alero]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
The only major difference between the three cards is gaming performance:

All-IN-Wonder 128 - 90$-Good for QuakeII/Half-Life/CS

All-In-Wonder 128 Pro- 105$-Good for QuakeIII/Unreal Tournament

All-In-Wonder Radeon256 - 115$- Good for any game out today....really if you play games its worth it...

what is the All-in-wonder radeon 256? is that just the regular aiw radeon? and if so, where did you find it for $115

[funnyperson1]

yup, i just wanted to distinguish it from the much more expensive 8500 all in wonder......www.pricewatch.com search for "all in wonder" and youll find em on the second or third page...

[chevelle_alero]

on this one site i found it to be 115 and it said white box, what is that?

this other site said

Brand new in a sealed plastic bag

PACKAGING

This card is OEM packaged in antistatic bag. INCLUDED WITH THE BARE CARD IS THE DVI TO VGA ADAPTER.

No cables, manuals, drivers, etc. are included...


what all do i need?

what is missing and what do i really have to have, can i get some stuff off of the internet, like the drivers and stuff?

thanks again for any more help

[funnyperson1]

you will need cables to connect your stuff to the Video Card, you will have to buy these.....

drivers you can get off the internet

other than that you only miss free software and a cool looking box...

[chevelle_alero]

how much are the cables, and where can i get em?

what is the software?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by chevelle_alero
how much are the cables, and where can i get em?

what is the software?

cables should be 10-15$, get em at the shack, and the software is composed of DVD players and free game demos.....

[chevelle_alero]

what is the shack?

[RainMaQer]

Radio Shack;)

[belorsch]

funnyperson1:
Where you talk about this card--> 50-75$ Radeon32mb DDR -- Is that same card as a Radeon 7000 32MbDDR?

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by belorsch
funnyperson1:
Where you talk about this card--> 50-75$ Radeon32mb DDR -- Is that same card as a Radeon 7000 32MbDDR?

unless it mentions "hydravision" or "dual monitor support" or "VE" or "LE" then yes....the Radeon VE dual view sucks for gaming...its a radeon with no hardwzre T&L so its basically a Rage 128 Pro overclocked....

[Yodums]

They should sticky it but if they can clean out the post a little as people will have to go through alot of posts and have to look hard for the details :D

Yodums

[BigDawg69]

Great thread! I agree on the 'sticky' bit.

One question to those out there with experience. Are the comparable ATI cards (Radeon, Radeon7500 etc) really better than the GsForce 2's?

I'm looking for a sub $100 card for my wife's puter that will handle some gaming. Not necessary to be a benchmark buster to ultra resolution, but still give good graphic performance on Quake 3, Unreal Tourny, Half Life, Caslte Wolfenstein etc?

[CJPC]

I like my geforce 2 MX-400

It gets the job done, definately better than my tnt2

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by BigDawg69
Great thread! I agree on the 'sticky' bit.

One question to those out there with experience. Are the comparable ATI cards (Radeon, Radeon7500 etc) really better than the GsForce 2's?

I'm looking for a sub $100 card for my wife's puter that will handle some gaming. Not necessary to be a benchmark buster to ultra resolution, but still give good graphic performance on Quake 3, Unreal Tourny, Half Life, Caslte Wolfenstein etc?


well...from personal experience all ive had is a Rage Fury Pro on the Ati side of things.....from this experience i can say that anything on the Rage Fury Pro looks twice as good as it does on my Geforce2......so to answer your question yes.....the Radeons are better than the Comparable Geforce2s (as ive rated them) the reason i like the Radeons more is not because of frames per second its because they just plain look better....and i wouldnt get an mx because for 15$ more you can get a Radeon32mbDDr or Geforce2 GTS whic are about 1.5-2 times as fast.......

[funnyperson1]

bumop

[sangram]

Funny Person: Bump!

And also, what is the ATI Radeon VE (the specs say 32 MB, 4x AGP w/ TV out and Dual head)?

Thanks

Sang

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by sangram
Funny Person: Bump!

And also, what is the ATI Radeon VE (the specs say 32 MB, 4x AGP w/ TV out and Dual head)?

Thanks

Sang

The Radeon VE is a dual monitor card.....however i do NOT recommend it for gaming as it has no hardware T&L as the other Radeons do......it should perform on par with say an MX200......but its image quality and dual monitor support is good.....

oh yeah and i was born in Calcutta:p

[sangram]

Thanks.

In Calcutta? What the ...? What a coincidence! How long were you here, and how come Calcutta, of all the places in the wide world? Tell me more!!!

Sang

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by sangram
Thanks.

In Calcutta? What the ...? What a coincidence! How long were you here, and how come Calcutta, of all the places in the wide world? Tell me more!!!

Sang

oh my family's indian and my dads family has lived above Opera Cinema for years.....(my mom lived in mumbai), my dad got into college in the US and i came here when i was two....

[sangram]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


oh my family's indian and my dads family has lived above Opera Cinema for years.....(my mom lived in mumbai), my dad got into college in the US and i came here when i was two....


That's cool! :)

Sang

[sangram]

Funnyperson:

What's the difference between the ATI Rage Fury Pro and the ATI Rage Plus?

Sanf

[Racoon]

bump

[Starfoxer]

ok all, look at this now, then look at it in a month when the Ti 4600 comes out.

hehe you might be shocked

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Starfox
ok all, look at this now, then look at it in a month when the Ti 4600 comes out.

hehe you might be shocked

i dont think i will be shocked we all know that the Ti4600 is a shweet card.......but it will be like 5-600$ when it comes out and if someone wants to buy it....then i say, have fun wasting your money.......

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


i dont think i will be shocked we all know that the Ti4600 is a shweet card.......but it will be like 5-600$ when it comes out and if someone wants to buy it....then i say, have fun wasting your money.......

The fastest one is 399.00 ,you can pre-order it right now from best buy

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


The fastest one is 399.00 ,you can pre-order it right now from best buy

wildone

really...man ive been out of the loop....wait i think youre talking about the MX460? because i didnt think the Tis were on the shelves yet?

[Starfoxer]

i meant look how all the prices will plumit

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


really...man ive been out of the loop....wait i think youre talking about the MX460? because i didnt think the Tis were on the shelves yet?

Notice I said preorder :)
here is the link
ti4600
EDIT* will be shipping on 3-4-02

http://www.bestbuy.com/ComputersPeripherals/details.asp?e=11099619&m=488&cat=521&scat=522

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


Notice I said preorder :)
here is the link
ti4600
EDIT* will be shipping on 3-4-02

http://www.bestbuy.com/ComputersPeripherals/details.asp?e=11099619&m=488&cat=521&scat=522

wildone

sweet....though being the cheap@$$ that i am ill wait till next year to upgrade and get this for 100$ and rub it in everyones face that i saved 300$ lol......there is also R300 though and KyroIII on the horizon.....

[wildone]

I may just get the 4400 and overclock it ,but I dont think it has 128mb of ram :(

wildone

[Tracert]

If you want to go by bench marks alone then this would be the list acording to MadOnion

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Tracert
If you want to go by bench marks alone then this would bet the list acording to MadOnion

yes its quite a reliable source...wait i see the Ti200 beating a regular Geforce3...please....it also said my Geforce2Pro is better than an Ultra and that my PIII at 800 is better than an athlon 1.2?......a better source is say anandtech or [h]ardocp...who benchmarks cards using the SAME system.....

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


yes its quite a reliable source...wait i see the Ti200 beating a regular Geforce3...please....it also said my Geforce2Pro is better than an Ultra and that my PIII at 800 is better than an athlon 1.2?......a better source is say anandtech or [h]ardocp...who benchmarks cards using the SAME system.....

But funnyperson ,you got to think ,the ti version was a whole new revision of the card ,the ti's do beat the original gf3's,also I think they did it with the release drivers when they were first released ,which may have alot to do with the scores.

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


But funnyperson ,you got to think ,the ti version was a whole new revision of the card ,the ti's do beat the original gf3's,also I think they did it with the release drivers when they were first released ,which may have alot to do with the scores.

wildone

yes but the Ti200 is slower than the original geforce 3its clocked a bit lower and all that and when both cards have the same drivers i have no doubt that the origianl G3 takes the cake.........and there are driver differences these are reasons hy the graph is so innaccurate.....its not madonions fault its just that imho the 3dmark charts are bad for comaprsons....

[wildone]

But you got to think ,its a new revision ,remember the gf2 DDR ,the gf 2mx sdram was faster then it.I also know that it all depends on your processor speed compare cause look at mine.

wildone

[Tracert]

It is more of a good general indicator, you could take any of those cards and make em better by over clocking and tweaking (just look where my VE is supposed to be). Also this chart would be customized specifically for my processor, which is quite slow.

Not ment to cause a problem, just another thought / idea. I thought it would be good because many people using 2001 Over clock (many do not I know too) and it would be a good average indicatior of how cards are doing.

[Silver]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


sweet....though being the cheap@$$ that i am ill wait till next year to upgrade and get this for 100$ and rub it in everyones face that i saved 300$ lol......there is also R300 though and KyroIII on the horizon.....

Kyro 3 is'nt looking too promising either, ai'nt happening. BTW all know that Hercules will not be putting out the GF4s, going to ATI.

[BigDawg69]

bump!

[funnyperson1]

dont worry im not going to let this die, i just need to straighten out this Geforce4 business...expect an update this week....

[funnyperson1]

never mind, i finished updating...

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
never mind, i finished updating...

FP ,Please just copy the original to the end of this as you update for those of us who Subscribed ;) ,will be looking forward to the update in about two weeks.

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


FP ,Please just copy the original to the end of this as you update for those of us who Subscribed ;) ,will be looking forward to the update in about two weeks.

wildone

wait, your wording has me confused...you want me to copy the price list to the end of the thread?.....explain:D ...me stupid

[funnyperson1]

[B]Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-60$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-79$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-89$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-58$
Geforce4MX420-112$
KyroII-56$
RadeonLE-39$
RadeonDDR 32mb-48$
Geforce2GTS32mb-62$
Radeon 64mb DDR147$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-85$
Geforce2 Ti-75$
Geforce4 MX 440-99$
Radeon7500(OEM)-77$
Geforce2 Ultra-218$
Geforce3 Ti200-128$
Radeon 8500LE-129$
Geforce 3-184$
Radeon 8500-160$
Geforce3 Ti500-255$
Geforce4 Ti4400-279$
Geforce4 Ti4600-382$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....

PLEASE! Do not buy a Geforce 4 MX these are jsut Geforce2s and ive ranked them accordingly....

The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

Geforce3s and Ti500s are ripoffs in my mind...look at the rest of the prices....8500 retail for 160$ as fast as the Ti500....if you want Nvidia get the Ti200 or the Ti4400


I recommend these cards when image quality/performance is the scale and not raw speed:

50-75$ Radeon32mb DDR
75-120$ Radeon 7500
120-150$Radeon 8500LE
150-200$ Radeon8500
200-300$ Geforce4 Ti4400
300$+Geforce4 Ti4600

Update:
RadeonLE dropped 20$
Radeon32mDDR dropped 14$
Radeon7500 dropped 11$
KyroII dropped 6 dollars
MX400 dropped 1$
G2 Pro dropped 15 dollars
G2 Ti500 dropped 40 dollars
G3 Ti200 dropped 30 dollars
8500LE dropped 20 dollars
G3 dropped 40 dollars
8500 dropped NEARLY 90$
Geforce2 Ultra dropped 11$
Geforce2 Ti500 dropped 20$


Anyone buying an Ultra off of price watch at this point in time would be conpletely stupid paying 200+ dollars for last years technology when you cn get a Ti200 or 8500LE that for almost half the price.....

Ti500 is now less than 60$ away from the retail 8500 in price [/B

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-60$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-79$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-89$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-58$
Geforce4MX420-112$
KyroII-56$
RadeonLE-39$
RadeonDDR 32mb-48$
Geforce2GTS32mb-62$
Radeon 64mb DDR147$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-85$
Geforce2 Ti-75$
Geforce4 MX 440-99$
Radeon7500(OEM)-77$
Geforce2 Ultra-218$
Geforce3 Ti200-128$
Radeon 8500LE-129$
Geforce 3-184$
Radeon 8500-160$
Geforce3 Ti500-255$
Geforce4 Ti4400-279$
Geforce4 Ti4600-382$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....

PLEASE! Do not buy a Geforce 4 MX these are jsut Geforce2s and ive ranked them accordingly....

The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

Geforce3s and Ti500s are ripoffs in my mind...look at the rest of the prices....8500 retail for 160$ as fast as the Ti500....if you want Nvidia get the Ti200 or the Ti4400


I recommend these cards when image quality/performance is the scale and not raw speed:

50-75$ Radeon32mb DDR
75-120$ Radeon 7500
120-150$Radeon 8500LE
150-200$ Radeon8500
200-300$ Geforce4 Ti4400
300$+Geforce4 Ti4600

Update:
RadeonLE dropped 20$
Radeon32mDDR dropped 14$
Radeon7500 dropped 11$
KyroII dropped 6 dollars
MX400 dropped 1$
G2 Pro dropped 15 dollars
G2 Ti500 dropped 40 dollars
G3 Ti200 dropped 30 dollars
8500LE dropped 20 dollars
G3 dropped 40 dollars
8500 dropped NEARLY 90$
Geforce2 Ultra dropped 11$
Geforce2 Ti500 dropped 20$


Anyone buying an Ultra off of price watch at this point in time would be conpletely stupid paying 200+ dollars for last years technology when you cn get a Ti200 or 8500LE that for almost half the price.....

Ti500 is now less than 60$ away from the retail 8500 in price

There,(Funnyperson 1's work ;))

[wildone]

DOH!

Wildone

[funnyperson1]

hahahaha...so i guessed right!:p

[wildone]

Yeah sorry ,at least I got it on top of the page.

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone
Yeah sorry ,at least I got it on top of the page.

wildone

yeah, hopefully thisll eventually get a sticky then i wont have to go wandering throguh the depths when i want to do an update:D

[@crilicM@n]

WHOOOOW MAN!!!! That´s the answer I was looking for!!!! The real big bang for the buck!!! I´´ve seen Radeon LE 32mb DDRam for 39-40 bucks!!! (Strange, same price than ve and 7000´s)
1) If it´s decloacked we can "Re-clock" it to where it´s as far as possible!!!
2)Hyper-Z can be enabled!!! (How? :eek: )

So this can beat a GF2 GTS am I right? :cool:

Originally posted by gotey
I think you should switch the Radeon LE and the Radeon 7000. The 7000 is just a renamed Radeon VE, which has the 64bit DDR memory bus,not at all like the radeon LE which is a de-clocked Radeon DDR with hyper Z disabled (easy enogh to enable)

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by @crilicM@n
WHOOOOW MAN!!!! That´s the answer I was looking for!!!! The real big bang for the buck!!! I´´ve seen Radeon LE 32mb DDRam for 39-40 bucks!!! (Strange, same price than ve and 7000´s)
1) If it´s decloacked we can "Re-clock" it to where it´s as far as possible!!!
2)Hyper-Z can be enabled!!! (How? :eek: )

So this can beat a GF2 GTS am I right? :cool:



Hyper-z can be enabled using Radeon Tweaker and Rage3D.com tweaker, or hacking your registry manually.....and its the same speed as the GTS with better image quality....

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by sangram
Funnyperson:

What's the difference between the ATI Rage Fury Pro and the ATI Rage Plus?

Sanf

the rage plus is based on the Rage 128 chipset and the Rage Fury Pro is on the Rage 128 Pro chipset and has VIVO, so the Rage Fury Pro is much faster and has VIVO, thats the only diff

[@crilicM@n]

Radeon Tweaker and Rage3d tweaker can enable HyperZ of any radeon chipset? Mean, not just le, but ve..? Or just le becouse ve don´t have the feature?...

I´´m trying to find out a 183mhz mem one... Usually the 64mb ones... Tyred about reading huff... :-P
Thanks dude, great help


Originally posted by funnyperson1


Hyper-z can be enabled using Radeon Tweaker and Rage3D.com tweaker, or hacking your registry manually.....and its the same speed as the GTS with better image quality....

[Tracert]

It will only enable it on the LE.

The VE has a totally different GPU then all the rest! It is much smaller and is actually missing the ability to do anything more except you can up the clock for the mem and core, but thats it.

The LE you can actully run the exact same as the regular Radeon.

[funnyperson1]

Yes, the VE has no Hardwar T&L making it basically an overclocked Rge Fury Pro with dual monitor support the LE is just a Radeon32mbDDR that is underclocked and has Hyper-z disabled......the radeon 7500 is 75$ and is 64mbDDR 128 bit....as is the Geforce2 Ti.....

[sangram]

Cool.
Thanks. I guess it'll be no improvement over my GF2MX.

Sang

[@crilicM@n]

Hmmm good... now the things are finaly all clear as water...

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Yes, the VE has no Hardwar T&L making it basically an overclocked Rge Fury Pro with dual monitor support the LE is just a Radeon32mbDDR that is underclocked and has Hyper-z disabled......the radeon 7500 is 75$ and is 64mbDDR 128 bit....as is the Geforce2 Ti.....

[funnyperson1]

update: added Geforce4 MX460 to the mix, looks to be much better than a Geforce2 Ultra but a little worse than a Ti200....dont know about the price yet but if it comes out around 100$ then Ati will be in trouble....

[wildone]

FP ,I forgot ,when are they gonna release the 460 ,do you know?

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone
FP ,I forgot ,when are they gonna release the 460 ,do you know?

wildone

no clue....but Nvidia is starting to **** me offf again....according to Guru3d.com its coming out at 180$....

[wildone]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


no clue....but Nvidia is starting to **** me offf again....according to Guru3d.com its coming out at 180$....

Surely not ,I mean that would just be dumb on Nvidia's part,is that in Canadian?

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by wildone


Surely not ,I mean that would just be dumb on Nvidia's part,is that in Canadian?

wildone

well i dont know because the MX420 is listed there for 99$ and the MX440 is listed for 150$ so no, i think its just the initial price which will go down i expect to see it for like 130$ in a month or so

[@crilicM@n]

Hm? Why is the GF4 MX 420/440/460 worst than a GF2Ti200? Aren´´t all them 200mhz ddram 6.4gb bandwidth (more or less)... Shouldn´s the 4 chipset be better than 2?

(Dam, lost the Radeon 39 LE budget. My friend was just going to buy it for me and ship to Brazil and it dissapeared! :-( )
Humberto Hepp :eh?:


Originally posted by funnyperson1
update: added Geforce4 MX460 to the mix, looks to be much better than a Geforce2 Ultra but a little worse than a Ti200....dont know about the price yet but if it comes out around 100$ then Ati will be in trouble....

[wildone]

Originally posted by @crilicM@n
Hm? Why is the GF4 MX 420/440/460 worst than a GF2Ti200? Aren´´t all them 200mhz ddram 6.4gb bandwidth (more or less)... Shouldn´s the 4 chipset be better than 2?

(Dam, lost the Radeon 39 LE budget. My friend was just going to buy it for me and ship to Brazil and it dissapeared! :-( )
Humberto Hepp :eh?:




Its better then the gf2 ti's but not as good as a gf3 ti200,the only reason really is the core and the lack of directx8 support.

wildone

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by @crilicM@n
Hm? Why is the GF4 MX 420/440/460 worst than a GF2Ti200? Aren´´t all them 200mhz ddram 6.4gb bandwidth (more or less)... Shouldn´s the 4 chipset be better than 2?

(Dam, lost the Radeon 39 LE budget. My friend was just going to buy it for me and ship to Brazil and it dissapeared! :-( )
Humberto Hepp :eh?:




If you look at my price guide the Geforce2 cores stand like this speedwise

Geforce2 MX400
G4 MX 420
Geforce2 GTS
Geforce2 Pro
geforce2 Ti
Geforce4 MX 440
Geforce2 Ultra
Geforce4 MX460

[@crilicM@n]

Hmmm sorry, I readed to late de n17-20-25 core´s history... What a ´´pain some one buy the GF4MX thinking it has the same features than Gf4 Ti in Dx8....
:rolleyes:


[QUOTE]Originally posted by funnyperson1


If you look at my price guide the Geforce2 cores stand like this speedwise

Geforce2 MX400
G4 MX 420
Geforce2 GTS
Geforce2 Pro
geforce2 Ti
Geforce4 MX 440
Geforce2 Ultra
Geforce4 MX460 [/QUOTE

[funnyperson1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by @crilicM@n
[B]Hmmm sorry, I readed to late de n17-20-25 core´s history... What a ´´pain some one buy the GF4MX thinking it has the same features than Gf4 Ti in Dx8....
:rolleyes:


yeah personally i despise Nvidia for trying to dupe the consumer like this....."hey guess what i just got a Geforce4 for 130$"---poor soul....hahahah:p

[@crilicM@n]

Even worst, for U$ 90!!! :-)



Originally posted by funnyperson1
[QUOTE]Originally posted by @crilicM@n
[B]Hmmm sorry, I readed to late de n17-20-25 core´s history... What a ´´pain some one buy the GF4MX thinking it has the same features than Gf4 Ti in Dx8....
:rolleyes:


yeah personally i despise Nvidia for trying to dupe the consumer like this....."hey guess what i just got a Geforce4 for 130$"---poor soul....hahahah:p

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-60$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-79$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-89$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-58$
Geforce4MX420-99$
KyroII-50$
RadeonLE-56$
RadeonDDR 32mb-62$
Geforce2GTS32mb-65$
Radeon 64mb DDR147$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-85$
Geforce2 Ti-76$
Geforce4 MX 440-85$
Radeon7500(OEM)-69$
Geforce2 Ultra-218$
Geforce4 MX460- ?(not available yet)
Geforce3 Ti200-123$
Radeon 8500LE-137$
Geforce 3-145$
Radeon 8500-155$
Geforce3 Ti500-228$
Geforce4 Ti4400-272$
Geforce4 Ti4600-370$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....

PLEASE! Do not buy a Geforce 4 MX these are jsut Geforce2s and ive ranked them accordingly....

The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

Geforce3 Ti500s are ripoffs in my mind...look at the rest of the prices....8500 retail for 160$ as fast as the Ti500....if you want Nvidia get the Ti200 or the Ti4400
The regular Geforce3 however is decently priced but not as good of a deal as an 8500....

I recommend these cards when image quality/performance is the scale and not raw speed:

50-75$ Radeon7500
75-120$ Radeon 7500
120-150$Radeon 8500LE/Geforce3 Ti200
150-200$ Radeon8500
200-300$ Geforce4 Ti4400
300$+Geforce4 Ti4600

Update:
Geforce4 Ti4400 dropped 5$
Geforce4 Ti4600 dropped 12$
Gefroce3 Ti500 dropped 20$
Radeon8500 dropped 5$
Geforce4 MX420 dropped 13$
Radeon8500LE went up 8$
Geforce3 Ti200 dropped 5$
Radeon 7500 dropped 7$
Geforce2Ti went up 1$
Geforce4 MX440 dropped 14$
RadeonLe/32mb DDR went up 20$
Geforce2 GTS went up 3$
KyroII dropped 6$

Anyone buying an Ultra off of price watch at this point in time would be conpletely stupid paying 200+ dollars for last years technology when you cn get a Ti200 or 8500LE that for almost half the price.....


here is the updated list :)

[funnyperson1]

bump

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by Yobbzz
Just so everyone knows.

THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR ANY VOODOO PRODUCTS!!!!!
Ummm... Wrong. (depending on what you consider support)There's a bunch of ex-employee's and die hard Voodoo loving coders that put out drivers for the Voodoo chipsets regularly.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by CrystalMethod

Ummm... Wrong. (depending on what you consider support)There's a bunch of ex-employee's and die hard Voodoo loving coders that put out drivers for the Voodoo chipsets regularly.

yeah, while these drivers may not be up to the par Voodoo fans are used too....they still exist and are still better than drivers from many companies...

[funnyperson1]

believe it or not, this post is not dead, i just wanted to wait until the Ti4200s came out....update coming soon :)...

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
Thought this might help some people, and if you disagree with my choices, post a reply.

Heres a List From Slowest to fastest, prices based on www.pricewatch.com

Rage Fury Pro-60$ (because of VIVO)
Geforce2 MX200-36$
TNT2 Ultra-50$
Voodoo3 3500-79$
Voodoo4-84$
Voodoo5-89$
Geforce2MX-?Too hard to find original MX
RadeonSDR 64mb-58$
Geforce2MX400-42$
Geforce4MX420-66$
KyroII-47$
RadeonLE-37$
Geforce2GTS32mb-V-32$
RadeonDDR 32mb-44$
Geforce2 GTS - 62$
Radeon 64mb DDR 119$(because of VIVO functions)
Geforce2 Pro-78$
Geforce2 Ti-62$
Geforce4 MX 440-83$
Radeon7500(OEM)-55$
Geforce2 Ultra-199$
Geforce4 MX460- 116$
Geforce3 Ti200-90$
Radeon 8500LE- 97$
Geforce 3-125$
Radeon 8500LE 128mb-150$
Radeon 8500-153$
Geforce3 Ti500-164$
Geforce4 Ti4400-223$
Geforce4 Ti4600-320$

Note: For the Nvidia cards i did not pick the absolute cheapest card, but i picked up the cheapest card that was made by a mainstream company, that many people would buy.....Update: i have included PNY because i have been convinced that they are a quality company....

PLEASE! Do not buy a Geforce 4 MX these are jsut Geforce2s and ive ranked them accordingly....i CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, an MX460 is 116$ compared to the 8500LE/Ti200 both under 100$ which would crush the Geforce2 based MX in newer games...

The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

The Geforce3s are now acceptable deals, but if youre willing to spend that much you might as well get a Ti4200 in my eyes...20$ will give you more longetivity....

Anyone buying an Ultra off of price watch at this point in time would be conpletely stupid paying 200+ dollars for last years technology when you cn get a Ti200 or 8500LE that for half the price.....


I recommend these cards when image quality/performance is the scale and not raw speed:

50-75$ Radeon 7500 DDR
75-120$ Radeon 8500LE/Ti200-tie
120-150$Radeon 8500/Geforce3/Ti500-tie
150-200$ Geforce4 Ti4200
200-300$ Geforce4 Ti4400
300$+Geforce4 Ti4600

Update:
Geforce4 Ti4400 dropped 50$:)
Geforce4 Ti4600 dropped 50$:)
Gefroce3 Ti500 dropped 60$!!:p
Radeon8500 dropped 3$
Radeon8500 LE-128 made first appearance on the list....
Radeon8500 dropped 30$:)
Geforce3 Ti200 dropped 30$:)
Geforce3 dropped 20$:)
Geforce2 Ultra dropped 20$:)
Geforce4 (Geforce2) MX460 made first appearance on the list....
Radeon 7500 dropped 12$
Geforce4 MX440 dropped 2 $
Geforce2 Ti dropped 11$
Geforce2 Pro dropped 10$
Radeon 64mb DDR dropped 30$:)
Geforce4 MX420 dropped 33$

here it is for those people who wanted it at the end of the thread...dang...long list of updates...

[FoldingAddict]

Wow, this is good. I wish I had known about this thread. How about making it a sticky thread?

[funnyperson1]

bizzump

[new_novice]

Radeon 32mb SDR aka Radeon 7200???

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by new_novice
Radeon 32mb SDR aka Radeon 7200???

i try to avoid the naming systems, because they can get really confusing, but yes i believe that would be classified as a 7200 as well as the RadeonLE/32mbDDR and the Rae 64mb SDR.....

[Tracert]

You gonna slide the 4200 in here soon?

[GoldenTiger]

GREAT guide! Bump!

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Tracert
You gonna slide the 4200 in here soon?

dope!....i thought i was in there already....lol...lemme fix that...

[GoldenTiger]

Up!

[funnyperson1]

ill bump it up one more time, and then again when, i update the prices at the end of school year on June 14th

[xxsicknessxx]

4600 is 400 bucks for a good one

[mordy]

And also in alphabetical order...

[RoadWarrior]

About PNY quality, PNY don't make their own boards, according to several websites I've seen. MSI is reported to make (have made) GF3Tis and now GF4mxs and GF4Tis for PNY. So, you're basically getting an MSI board if you buy PNY but cooling solutions and bundles might be different.

Road Warrior

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by RoadWarrior
About PNY quality, PNY don't make their own boards, according to several websites I've seen. MSI is reported to make (have made) GF3Tis and now GF4mxs and GF4Tis for PNY. So, you're basically getting an MSI board if you buy PNY but cooling solutions and bundles might be different.

Road Warrior

interesting, next time ill include PNY as the cheapest card (they almost always are).....:p

[rfeng]

Why is this not a sticky????

-JR

[funnyperson1]

i noticed a lot of people asking about getting a new video card and so i decided to revive this thread.....interest and usage will determine whether i continue to update it.....got a little behind there lol....:)

[baqai]

i think so this thread should be sticky

[gta3 my favor!!]

Should I get a Geforce4 mx4oo ddr w/tvo or a radeon 7500 ddr

[funnyperson1]

get the Geforce3 Ti200 for the same price as MX440.....or if you meant MX400 then get the 7500 :)

[Kid Payne]

I have a Chaintek G4 MX440 and I'm really not happy with it. I think it's marginally faster than my Leadtek G2 Ti, but the graphics are not pretty at all. When I run Sof2, the smoke from the smoke bomb looks almost like sheets of paper flying around. Yeah stay away from G4 MX440 at least if graphics quality is more important than a little cheap speed(paid $77 shipped at the time).

[funnyperson1]

update: i did a little more looking and found out while it isnt really a good bang for buck the MX440 is a little faster than the 7500....not worth the extra money imho....but still faster

[Albigger]

Originally posted by funnyperson1
The Geforce3 Ti200 and the Radeon 8500/LE are amazing deals...you get so much video card for the money its freaking amazing.....

Nice thread idea, very informative.

and I must second this thought, for only $66 dollars refurb (newegg) for my Radeon 8500Le, I couldn't be happier.

(p.s. runs at retail speeds just fine:D )

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Albigger


Nice thread idea, very informative.

and I must second this thought, for only $66 dollars refurb (newegg) for my Radeon 8500Le, I couldn't be happier.

(p.s. runs at retail speeds just fine:D )

just a question, did yours come at 250/275? mine did and sits quite comfortably at 285/315

[TheFrag]

GODAMMIT MAKE IT A STICKY ALREADY!

<---------Getting restless

[funnyperson1]

bump...seen a couple more people ask for advice lol...some how i feel this is easier than explaining my opinion every time :)

[funnyperson1]

update: im about to add the retail prices for 9700, 9500, 9500Pro to the list...these will probably be lower when the cards actually are out

[funnyperson1]

update: im bout to add parhelia....

[funnyperson1]

due to the mods reluctance to give this a sticky, ive found this thread a new home, my guide is now posted at the Overclockers 3dmark team website, that way i dont have to delve 20 pages into the Video card forums to edit it....i will probably have this thread cleaned up and i will update it to help out new members to the forums when choosing a video card, and if you arent on the Oc3dmark team, what are you waiting for :)...

oc3dmark.octeams.com

[Yodums]

I can't seem to find the link -- care to link me?

[funnyperson1]

http://oc3dmark.octeams.com/cardguide.html

there it is, Takiwa had linked it on the front page :)

[Taylor]

bump
time to update? Thanks funnyperson1 for putting this together

[funnyperson1]

updated guide today, should be up at oc3dmark site soon.....

edit: ill try to save to a text file as well next time so i can update here, i may keep this thread alive or i may just get it deleted and post a thread when i update

[w00t]

what would you get....

ti4200 64mb or ti4200 128mb

is it worth the extra money??
will it play good games like cs, hl2, doom3??

[funnyperson1]

lol, I havent seen this thread in years :).

Anyways, the Ti4200 is plenty beefy to play DoomIII and Half Life 2. CS will be pegged at 100fps all the time no matter what you do.

I would get the 128mb one as long as you can find it for under $120. Otherwise the 64mb 4200 will do just fine in any current game and will still run DIII and HL2 at decent resolutions.

also you can see a much much newer version of the card buying guide here:
http://oc3dmark.octeams.com/cardguide.html