Hey Ol'Man, Tualatin Cooling software?

[Rmcky]

Hey Bud, you're our expert here, so I figured I would go to the top.:) I know you have studied this stuff more than anyone else. Have you found any CPU cooling software that works with the Tualatins? I've tried Rain, Waterfall Pro, Wincooler, and even Asus Probe. None of them seem to do a doggoned thing with the Tualatins. This is all on an Asus Tusl2-C, which I'm aware isn't on the top of your list, but I think they should work with any board. I can stick my 1.1 Celly in this board and get my CPU idle temp within 10 degrees or less F from the motherboard temp. I can turn off the cooler and it idles about the same temp as the Tualatin. I can switch to the Tualatin and it has no effect at all. I got a new heatsink and made some gains, but I'm still around 18 degrees F above the board temp at idle. I was around 21 degrees before, so I'm doing better, but I'd really like to see some better idle temps. Full load really isn't that bad now. Today, it warmed up here and my computer room got to 82F. Felt pretty good, actually, about what it maxes out at in the summer. Full load with CPUBurn, Prime 95 Torture Test, and BCWipe running all at the same time was only 43C. Before the heatsink, I was at 47C with only Prime 95 running, so I am better, but I would like to see my chip running cooler when it's not doing anything. Any ideas that might be helpful? Thanks!

Rick

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Rmcky
Hey Bud, you're our expert here, so I figured I would go to the top.:) I know you have studied this stuff more than anyone else. Have you found any CPU cooling software that works with the Tualatins? I've tried Rain, Waterfall Pro, Wincooler, and even Asus Probe. None of them seem to do a doggoned thing with the Tualatins. This is all on an Asus Tusl2-C, which I'm aware isn't on the top of your list, but I think they should work with any board. I can stick my 1.1 Celly in this board and get my CPU idle temp within 10 degrees or less F from the motherboard temp. I can turn off the cooler and it idles about the same temp as the Tualatin. I can switch to the Tualatin and it has no effect at all. I got a new heatsink and made some gains, but I'm still around 18 degrees F above the board temp at idle. I was around 21 degrees before, so I'm doing better, but I'd really like to see some better idle temps. Full load really isn't that bad now. Today, it warmed up here and my computer room got to 82F. Felt pretty good, actually, about what it maxes out at in the summer. Full load with CPUBurn, Prime 95 Torture Test, and BCWipe running all at the same time was only 43C. Before the heatsink, I was at 47C with only Prime 95 running, so I am better, but I would like to see my chip running cooler when it's not doing anything. Any ideas that might be helpful? Thanks!

Rick


Nope I have been wondering the same thing too. Seesm all the idle software doesn't work with the tualatin cores for some reason. I used to be able to get my old PIII close to room temp at idle but now with the last three .13u cores I have not been able to keep them as cool. Usually the story goes if your IDLE and LOAD temps don't vary much then any cpu IDLE software is not working for that chip which I assume you already know. If you find any of this software it would be good to find and let us all know.

[Rmcky]

Thanks Bro!:) If I happen to find anything that works, I'll surely post it back here. I'm just not used to looking down at my sys tray and seeing my CPU idling at 100F. I'm used to seeing my CuMine based CPUs idling at around 87-89F on a warm day like today.

I'm thinking it must have something to do with the new archetecture of the Tualatins. Hopefully, the programmers will address this soon.

I usually don't turn the cooler on for stability testing, but since we're usually overvolting these chips, it's nice to see it running cooler when it ain't working. Gotta help the chip life, huh?

As I said, if I find anything good, I'll share it with everyone here. I appreciate the feedback, though, because I never know if it's something I messed up without someone to reinforce my conclusions. Thanks again!:)

Rick

[Ruiner]

What OS are you using.

NT based stuff automatically idles the cpu.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ruiner
What OS are you using.

NT based stuff automatically idles the cpu.

You would think but these tualatin cores are weirdly different. They don't act like normal CPU's. I am finding anything above 1.7~1.725v is not helping stability and possibly made it worse. I used to run my older celery @ 1.85v when it should have been running at 1.725v or less. Right now I can run 1.54GHz on 1.7v. I tried 1.55GHz with 1.7v and 1.725v and it was a no go. I have tried 1.8v also but that got unstable all the way down to 1.5GHz as of late. I then said heck with it I am going to down the vcore and low and behold it is now better. I am not sure what is going on here but these chips are weird creatures:D

I am sitting at about 39~40 deg. C @ load with the PAL 6035 @ a ambient of 23 deg. C. I dle of course is not much different. 37 deg. C. THese chips run weird and that is the reason I think the CPU IDLE software is not working with them or maybe that is the wat they are supposed to be so they don;t OC as well. I doubt it though.

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I forgot to add that I am running none other than win2k. Anything less would be uncivilized:D

[Ebola]

ol' man you should really get something a bit better than a pal if your temps are arround 40 degrees C. My p3 1000E cdo likes saying below 38 degrees C. I think all of the newer chips are a bit more sensitive to heat when overclocking.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ebola
ol' man you should really get something a bit better than a pal if your temps are arround 40 degrees C. My p3 1000E cdo likes saying below 38 degrees C. I think all of the newer chips are a bit more sensitive to heat when overclocking.




Yeah I should. But if youlook around I have some of the bst temps for these chips. Alot of people are running them around 45~47 deg. C:eek:

I took the IHS off this one again.

[Kingslayer]

<SOAPBOX>

I will say it once again. Cooling software is absolutely, totally, 100% worthless. Why would you want to cool your chip at idle? If you chip is running so hot at idle that you require this type of software, then you need to step back and look at your system, because it's going to fry at load.

Cooling a chip at idle is pointless, cool it at load, where it matters.

</SOAPBOX>

[deez]

Originally posted by Kingslayer
<SOAPBOX>

I will say it once again. Cooling software is absolutely, totally, 100% worthless. Why would you want to cool your chip at idle? If you chip is running so hot at idle that you require this type of software, then you need to step back and look at your system, because it's going to fry at load.

Cooling a chip at idle is pointless, cool it at load, where it matters.

</SOAPBOX>

I agree completely

just run SETI or folding or someting else like that 24x7 to test your cooling....then there is no such thing as idle

[ol' man]

I have seen cooling software knock off alot off load temps too. No matter the situation this is good. WIth the intel chip sif the software failed then it would mean the thermal shutdown features would kick the cpu off and everything would be okay. For a athlon chip the effects of this failing could be very bad indeed.

[Ebola]

you need a big copper heatsink to kill load temps. software is garbage. If your running at full load software will not do anything. :beer:

[ol' man]

Originally posted by Ebola
you need a big copper heatsink to kill load temps. software is garbage. If your running at full load software will not do anything. :beer:

Yeah I know this should be true but I have seen it too many times work to get lower temps at load to not believe it anymore. I can only do so much with this 1.2GHz chip. Still I ain't bitchin:D

It will run 1.54GHz on 1.725v. I am running it at 1.52 and 1.675v cause I am going to give it too my bro most likely as a christmas present. He better like it the little shister:)

Its 8:30 here. A couple more hours and the OB meat market will be hopping. I never go there any more though:) I don't even drink anymore. By the looks of your beer I take it you may be getting sloshed though:D You should be studying for the finals coming up:D

O yeah ebola I wanted to ask you if you would sell your pal 6035 if you are not using it anymore? I am going to need a decent HS for my .13u tualatin and these pals work just fine.

[Lyron]

Well, the Linux 2.4.12 kernel likes my Tuala...
Pasted from dmesg:
"Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK."

-Lyron

[dscline]

Sorry to bring up an old topic, but any update to this? I wish I could get my idle temps back down.
Originally posted by Kingslayer
<SOAPBOX>
I will say it once again. Cooling software is absolutely, totally, 100% worthless. Why would you want to cool your chip at idle? If you chip is running so hot at idle that you require this type of software, then you need to step back and look at your system, because it's going to fry at load.

Cooling a chip at idle is pointless, cool it at load, where it matters.

</SOAPBOX>
Maybe for you, but that's not for all of us. I have a thermal controlled case fan with it's temperature sensor attached to my CPU heatsink. With my old P3, it idled along at a pretty low & quite speed the vast majority of the time, and the cpu stayed very close to room temp. The only time it really ramped up was during Q3, and there's so much going on then, the noise doesn't bother me.

Now that I've got this Tualitin, my computer sounds like it's under full load all the time. It'd driving me crazy! On top of that, it's burning electricity to do nothing.

[ol' man]

Originally posted by dscline
Sorry to bring up an old topic, but any update to this? I wish I could get my idle temps back down.

Maybe for you, but that's not for all of us. I have a thermal controlled case fan with it's temperature sensor attached to my CPU heatsink. With my old P3, it idled along at a pretty low & quite speed the vast majority of the time, and the cpu stayed very close to room temp. The only time it really ramped up was during Q3, and there's so much going on then, the noise doesn't bother me.

Now that I've got this Tualitin, my computer sounds like it's under full load all the time. It'd driving me crazy! On top of that, it's burning electricity to do nothing.

I know what you are saying but I think it is in the CPU! There is no software idlers that are going to work with these chips!

[dscline]

Originally posted by ol' man
I know what you are saying but I think it is in the CPU! There is no software idlers that are going to work with these chips!
Ok, thanks for the reply! I was hoping that by now one of the SW cooler programmers had figured out a way to make it work on the Tualitin.

Oh well... :(

[Celemine1Gig]

Originally posted by Ebola
ol' man you should really get something a bit better than a pal if your temps are arround 40 degrees C. My p3 1000E cdo likes saying below 38 degrees C. I think all of the newer chips are a bit more sensitive to heat when overclocking.

He really doesn't need to get a better cooler. You think these temps are high??? Then I assume you never got a Celeron Tualatin CPU! These chips run much hotter than the Coppermine chips and especially the Coppermine cD0-stepping chips.
That load temp of 40-45°C is absolutely OK, and the Alpha PAL6035 heatsink is enough for that CPU.
I bought a Thermalright AX-7 becuase I thought it would help with my temps, but it didn't cool one degree better than my OCZ Dominator with added 5mm copper plate. It's not a cooling problem, it's just the chip itself.