View Full Version : Ghost from Raid0 to Single Drive not working?
I currently have a Maxtor Raid0 setup with two 80gb 2mb satas. My main windows partition on it is 30gb.
I formatted my new Hitachi T7K500 320gb to 30gb and 268gb partitions, both primary.
I tried ghosting the main windows from the raid0 to my hitachi, and everytime i get back into windows, the 30gb partition on the hitachi is corrupt or something.
i tried this numerous times... tried a PC Dos boot ghost disk, and also tried it with Ghost 2003 from windows (which boots to dos anyways)...
just doesn't work! :( please help me out... thx.
Have you tried DriveImage XML (http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) ? It has an option for drive to drive transfer.
Just remember to activate the boot partition at the Hitachi 30GB partition, the one at disk management screen when you right click the partition and enable "Mark partition as active".
Edit : Just realized driveimage xml is now version 1.21, mine is still at 1.18 ! Going to download it right now ! :)
Fr3@k3r
03-11-07, 04:27 AM
might wanna try Acronis True Image also.
@Fr3@k3r : Does Acronis "evaluationware" version can restore the image it saved ? Or it must be purchased 1st to be "fully" functional ?
Fr3@k3r
03-11-07, 07:51 AM
@Fr3@k3r : Does Acronis "evaluationware" version can restore the image it saved ? Or it must be purchased 1st to be "fully" functional ?
Last time i needed a trial from acronis, Acronis Provided FULL working Retail Trial Ware. All Functions Completely Work.
Just remember to activate the boot partition at the Hitachi 30GB partition, the one at disk management screen when you right click the partition and enable "Mark partition as active".
I have to do that AFTER I do the partition-partition copy, or before? I tried doing it before copying partition (right after i formatted it to 30gb), and Ghost 2003 wouldn't let me choose it as a destination partition. :(
ok added the error i get... whenever i try to access the drive from windows explorer..
and yes, just marked the partition as ACTIVE... =/
maybe it has to do with how i'm going from a raid0 to a single hdd? i didn't think it mattered...
tuskenraider
03-11-07, 02:25 PM
maybe it has to do with how i'm going from a raid0 to a single hdd? i didn't think it mattered...It shouldn't matter unless you needed specific drivers for the controller in RAID and IDE operation. That's usually the case with add-on controllers, but not chipset integrated ones. If this is on the NF4 RAID/SATA controller, it shouldn't be a problem. Give the other programs a shot and see if they fail. Also, have you ever been able to access the drive from booting off your original array and just initializing it in Windows? You don't have that specific port the Hitachi is on set to Enabled under the RAID section in the BIOS do you?
Also, have you ever been able to access the drive from booting off your original array and just initializing it in Windows?
Yes, I have been able to access it... I wondered the same thing, so I formatted the 30gb partition on the Hitachi and tried to see if I can at least put files on the partition (wanted to make sure I didn't corrupt the hdd or something - my knowledge is rather limited with hard drives).
You don't have that specific port the Hitachi is on set to Enabled under the RAID section in the BIOS do you?
No, I don't have it enabled... it's a SINGLE drive... I didn't think I had to... I'm trying it right now... enabling raid on the single drive.... what does raid do on a SINGLE drive???
-----------------------------
And... you said something about the onboard sata... either way, I need sata drivers to get windows installed the first time, so....
tuskenraider
03-11-07, 09:25 PM
No, I don't have it enabled... it's a SINGLE drive... I didn't think I had to... I'm trying it right now... enabling raid on the single drive.... what does raid do on a SINGLE drive???I mentioned it as something to double check and make sure it wasn't enabled, that's all.
And... you said something about the onboard sata... either way, I need sata drivers to get windows installed the first time, so....If this drive is on one of your NF4 boards, you shouldn't need drivers to do an XP install on a single SATA drive on it's controller. Anyway, I'd try the other programs mentioned to do a reimage.
TechJunky
03-11-07, 10:02 PM
Hrmm, I am suprised this would work.
When you do a raid 0 setup you are writing to 2 drives as fast as you can in no particular order in order to speed up your writing times. However, when going from a raid 0 setup to a single drive setup how does the image now know what drive to access for the information that was say on drive 2? I can see raid 1 working because both drives have the exact same info. Lets say you have Nero installed on a raid 0 setup... Half of your files could be copied on disk1 and the second half one disk2. So now you ghost the image of drive 1. Well all you are capturing is the information that was stored on one drive (theoretically). Windows only knows drives as drives, it doesnt even recognize it as a raid drive within windows unless you load the specific controllers drivers/monitoring software. Then the 3rd party program will show both logical drives within the app. I guess I would like to know how this works. Considering if you ever were to lose a drive in a raid 0 setup your SOL.
tuskenraider
03-11-07, 11:15 PM
Hrmm, I am suprised this would work.
When you do a raid 0 setup you are writing to 2 drives as fast as you can in no particular order in order to speed up your writing times. However, when going from a raid 0 setup to a single drive setup how does the image now know what drive to access for the information that was say on drive 2? I can see raid 1 working because both drives have the exact same info. Lets say you have Nero installed on a raid 0 setup... Half of your files could be copied on disk1 and the second half one disk2. So now you ghost the image of drive 1. Well all you are capturing is the information that was stored on one drive (theoretically). Windows only knows drives as drives, it doesnt even recognize it as a raid drive within windows unless you load the specific controllers drivers/monitoring software. Then the 3rd party program will show both logical drives within the app. I guess I would like to know how this works. Considering if you ever were to lose a drive in a raid 0 setup your SOL.The third party program doesn't see two drives, it sees one drive just like Windows does. There are programs that don't recognize some RAID controllers and of course, then it doesn't see any of the drives connected to it. I've done images from RAID0 to singles, singles to RAID0, RAID1 to singles, etc., etc and with multiple imaging programs. As long as the program recognizes the controller it'll work fine. Heck, I use Drive Image 2002 which was created when SATA was barely even in existance on motherboards and it reads current SATA/RAID controllers with no problems. Great program.
All programs, including ghost, see the raid0 as regular drives...
I cannot take this anymore, and going with a full install on the Hitachi... I'm really ****ed b/c to this day I haven't had a successful USEFUL ghost copy or restore from image... any time I have gotten it to work was just testing...
I'm so agitated... I was so happy buying Norton Ghost instead of using trial stuff or free stuff, and in fact it DIDN'T pay off... if it's user error, I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong. :(
TechJunky
03-12-07, 04:14 PM
TuskenRaider:
Can you please elaborate how you did this? I wasnt saying it cant be done, I was asking how you could go about doing this. I feel if you could provide how to do this it would be much more helpful then simply stating it can be done.
I use raid all the time here, and the third party programs do detect the raid array as two seperate drives. A raid array is not considered a drive and never has been. A raid array is defined as a Volume. If you are referring two both drives showing as a volume I would agree. However, there is still the fact that the two drives are being written to as fast as possible in a raid 0 array and the data would not be complete if you were to ghost the image because it would still look for the second disk to complete the array. IMO, it is no different than pulling the secondary disk because you are effectivly doing this when you ghost the image and then do not put in the second drive.
If you were to use something like VMWARE and use their converter tool I would agree that you could create a successful duplicate on different hardware. However, using home edition ghost I do not see how this would be accomplished. So if you could please describe the steps you took to get this done we all would appreciate it.
Here is a picture of a raid array on a customers machine that I am deploying using the 3rd party tool provided with the raid controller. As you can see it does show both drives.
http://upload7.postimage.org/170463_a9d5d61a8089e7cfdde99a69bbe95f01/raid.jpg
TuskenRaider:
Can you please elaborate how you did this? I wasnt saying it cant be done, I was asking how you could go about doing this. I feel if you could provide how to do this it would be much more helpful then simply stating it can be done.
I use raid all the time here, and the third party programs do detect the raid array as two seperate drives. A raid array is not considered a drive and never has been. A raid array is defined as a Volume. If you are referring two both drives showing as a volume I would agree. However, there is still the fact that the two drives are being written to as fast as possible in a raid 0 array and the data would not be complete if you were to ghost the image because it would still look for the second disk to complete the array. IMO, it is no different than pulling the secondary disk because you are effectivly doing this when you ghost the image and then do not put in the second drive.
If you were to use something like VMWARE and use their converter tool I would agree that you could create a successful duplicate on different hardware. However, using home edition ghost I do not see how this would be accomplished. So if you could please describe the steps you took to get this done we all would appreciate it.
Here is a picture of a raid array on a customers machine that I am deploying using the 3rd party tool provided with the raid controller. As you can see it does show both drives.
http://upload7.postimage.org/170463_a9d5d61a8089e7cfdde99a69bbe95f01/raid.jpg
don't see the pic... =/
though i just saw the link to the pic as i QUOTED you... ODD... i'll img tag it for you... maybe cuz you're a new member? who knows... anyways, here is the pic you tried to img tag:
http://upload7.postimage.org/170463_a9d5d61a8089e7cfdde99a69bbe95f01/raid.jpg
*edit*
p.s. wow, i guess tag is off in this thread or something is wrong... i'll just link it for you:
http://upload7.postimage.org/170463_a9d5d61a8089e7cfdde99a69bbe95f01/raid.jpg
Goshawk
03-12-07, 05:22 PM
GM,
I've had nothing but bad luck with Ghost with the exception of one (1) time where it actually worked... i would keep making images of disks... but by the time i needed them, they were always corrupt, or not valid images.
The version that made me give up on Ghost all together was Ghost 8, never tried the later versions since $79.00 for a prog that doesn't work for you gets old after a while.
The only program i have had that actually worked for my purposes was Acronis Drive Image.
~ Gos
tuskenraider
03-12-07, 07:13 PM
TuskenRaider:
Can you please elaborate how you did this?....................
I use raid all the time here, and the third party programs do detect the raid array as two seperate drives. A raid array is not considered a drive and never has been. A raid array is defined as a Volume. If you are referring two both drives showing as a volume I would agree. I'll be happy to, but I just saw this and I'm off to dart league. Symantecs aside, my programs list and see the "array volume" typically as "Disk1" with the entire size of the two disks combined listed as the capacity. I'll post up pics with Drive Image 2002 and Acronis True Image Home 10 late tonight. Drive Image XML has also worked but I'll forgo that.
The only program i have had that actually worked for my purposes was Acronis Drive Image.
~ Gos
Is it free? This sux cuz I have the full retail package for Ghost 10 and 2003.
Neuromancer
03-12-07, 10:08 PM
You might try doing the image to the single drive but DONT mark the partition as active...
If it will let you do that, then after done imaging, remove raid array, boot to XP cd and do a recovery console fixmbr
this will make the 30GB bootable.
Just a thought
tuskenraider
03-13-07, 01:28 AM
Is it free? This sux cuz I have the full retail package for Ghost 10 and 2003.Acronis is 30 day trialware and it works fully. Drive Image XML(FREE) was also recommended in the second post and it'll do an image of the RAID to the Hitachi right within Windows. I suggest you try one of those next to see if you problem persists.
Here is a picture of a raid array on a customers machine that I am deploying using the 3rd party tool provided with the raid controller. As you can see it does show both drives.Here are the pics of my two 36GB Raptors seen as one drive(Vista):
Drive Image 2002:
http://www.wowway.com/~vacationdave/driveimage.JPG
Acronis True Image Home 10:
http://www.wowway.com/~vacationdave/trueimage.JPG
i can no longer attempt the image... i sold one of the 80gb maxtors... thats the whole reason i got the hitachi cuz i wanted to get rid of the 80gb drives. :(
thx tho... i still have 74gb raptor raid0, so i may attempt something similar in the future.
you guys rock... at least i know my options now.
Neuromancer
03-13-07, 02:19 PM
Yah I have used true image for the opposite of what you are doing.
I install OS to a single drive. Load Raid Drivers.
Boot true image rescue disk, copy drive 1 to raid, and walla instant no floppy raid install :)
Yah I have used true image for the opposite of what you are doing.
I install OS to a single drive. Load Raid Drivers.
Boot true image rescue disk, copy drive 1 to raid, and walla instant no floppy raid install :)
which version do you use? what about this one:
Acronis True Image 9.0
http://www.shareup.com/Acronis_True_Image-download-174.html
tuskenraider
03-13-07, 02:54 PM
which version do you use? what about this one:
Acronis True Image 9.0
http://www.shareup.com/Acronis_True_Image-download-174.htmlThat's the old version, Acronis True Image Home 10 (http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/)is the current.
TechJunky
03-13-07, 03:03 PM
To be honest I have never done a Raid 0 to single drive.. However the concept to me just seems weird. Logically it doesnt make any sense. However, I do Raid 1 to single all the time and those have worked flawlessly.
I guess if your imaging software that you use to ghost the 2 drives shows them as a single drive it makes since.
Sounds like you use the same process I use here for Raid1 to single drive for your Raid0. If I ever have the need for a Raid 0 for a customer I will give it a shot.
tuskenraider
03-13-07, 04:14 PM
To be honest I have never done a Raid 0 to single drive.. However the concept to me just seems weird. Logically it doesnt make any sense. However, I do Raid 1 to single all the time and those have worked flawlessly.
I guess if your imaging software that you use to ghost the 2 drives shows them as a single drive it makes since.
Sounds like you use the same process I use here for Raid1 to single drive for your Raid0. If I ever have the need for a Raid 0 for a customer I will give it a shot.Going from RAID to single or vice versa is simple, but of course when going to a single to RAID, you would want to activate the controller in the BIOS, let Windows on the current single recognize it, install the drivers for it, and reboot. Then, you could image it to the RAID and boot up without a BSOD. :) Going from RAID to a single is usually problem free with onboard RAID controllers, but some actually use different drivers for IDE mode on these controllers and would require the installation of those before switching to IDE mode. My old motherboard with an add-on Promise controller in addition to the buit-in VIA cotroller was one such controller that needed separate drivers for each mode. With the VIA, only drivers for RAID mode were needed. I'm sure you're aware of this, but thought I'd mention it anyway.
TechJunky
03-13-07, 07:08 PM
Yah, when we go from a single to raid we always install the controller first, let windows detect the controller and then we activate the controller and build the raid array and then fdisk /mbr and all works great.
Neuromancer
03-13-07, 07:26 PM
which version do you use? what about this one:
Acronis True Image 9.0
http://www.shareup.com/Acronis_True_Image-download-174.html
Yah I think I have 9.
10 is newer so theoretically better (although they broke Ghost moving to version 8 so can't always say that). Yah when I got True Image 9 Disk Director 10 was just released. So its been a while and I have seen no reason to upgrade :)
I had the Installer on my HDD for a long time but on last format decided to let it go. I just use the rescue disk, for imaging/copying.
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.