E6300 vs E4300?? Which one shall I buy?

[Smitty1258]

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor

$169.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013


VS

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor

$183.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005


I have watercooling, and I plan on OC whichever one I get to over 3.0ghz.

But I need to hear from you ppl which one would be the best buy and why.

Thanks!

[atomicplayer]

I am in the exact same boat. I think the Conroe is better.

This is what ~jtjuska says:

E4300s are a lot more hit and miss than the E6x00. They are true allendales where as a lot of E6300s and E6400s are Conroes. That has changed quite a bit recently so that may not be that big of a deal but from what I have seen you either have a E4300 that clocks or you don't there is no in between on them. I would wait till april and get something then.

~jtjuska

[hUMANbEATbOX]

if you can find a e6300 from somewhere with old stock, then i would go that route. if not, then i would go with a e4300 as it has a higher multi.

if wanna try calling around, the Conroe e6300's have an fpo/batch# that starts with "L6", mine is "L626A258". the allendale e6300's start with "Q6".

[bail_w]

It depends on what motherboard you going for.

[mobitsfa]

Newegg might still have l6 fpo/batch# . I bought mine maybe a month ago and got an l6 my dad just got his 3 days ago l6 also.

[Rattle]

couple guys from ocf are getting newer 6300's that are clocking like mad, i think its still all luck really

[>HyperlogiK<]

Both chips should do over 3Ghz, but what board and RAM do you have?

[digerati]

Has anyone verified the overclockability of the Allendale vs the Conroe?
I just recieved a Q6 batch E6300 from New Egg, which was advertised as a Conroe. I need to know if I'm sending this back...

Thx..

[splat]

i'd choose the e6300 over the e4300 until the prices drop at the end of the month.

[Evilsizer]

well i wouldnt take either since like talked about above...find old stock of 63/64's since all the stuff since about mid last month is a allendale core from newegg.com..... i was sit and wait another month if you need one now then well the e4300.

[Smitty1258]

Well I went ahead with the e6300, and now i think Im screwed!

My batch # is q7034096.
Version # is d86355-001 1.35Vmax

I already installed it, I just got it tuesday, should I be sending this back to newegg and going with a different cpu??

BTW my mobo is a evga 680I SLI, and my ram is Patriot 2gb 800mhz pc2-6400 4-4-4-12

Mine was advertised as a Conroe also

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115005

[splat]

i'd imagine their entire stock of e6300's are allendales now, so I'd think trying to exchange it won't do any good. The only thing that might work is returning it and buying a used one that you can be sure is a conroe.

[Evilsizer]

the only conroes your going to be getting are 4mb c2d's in retail now. not to be mean but i said you would be getting a allendale from newegg....

[hUMANbEATbOX]

smitty, why would you install it if it wasn't what you wanted? you knew you would get an Allendale from them, regardless of what they "advertised". we told you. ;)

i would have called around, and asked if anyone had an L6. ;) mind you, not all places will tell you. usually the bigger places won't, but they are the ones with the newest stock anyways, you can usually rule them out.

[Smitty1258]

ya i messed up big ol time!

Now what?

If i do keep it, what is the difference?

Will I still be able to get 3.4ghz out of it?

[splat]

i think 3.2

[Neuromancer]

ya i messed up big ol time!

Now what?

If i do keep it, what is the difference?

Will I still be able to get 3.4ghz out of it?

If you have it installed... try it an let us know :)

[PhobMX]

If you have it installed... try it an let us know :)

E6300 allendales are the same as e4300... i could barely get above 3ghz with mine :(

ill get a quad whith the pricedrop

[Smitty1258]

Allendale

For a very long time, it was considered that stripped down versions of the Conroe processors were code-named Allendale. In actuality, Allendale is a code name for a different processor. Many suggest that E6300 and E6400 are actually code-named Allendale, however, the E6300 (1.86 GHz) and E6400 (2.13 GHz) processors are not code-named Allendale because they physically have 4 MiB cache, same as their big brothers E6600 and E6700 — it is just that half of their physical memory is disabled. Traditionally, CPUs of the same family with less cache simply have the unavailable cache disabled which allows parts that fail quality control to be sold at a lower rating. The fact that E6300 and E6400 are not code-named Allendale and actually code-named Conroe has been confirmed by Intel themselves. Another fundamental difference between the senior E6000 series of Conroe-core and the E4000 series of Allendale-core is the difference in Front Side Bus. The E4000 series has a quad-pumped 200 MHz front side bus ("800 FSB") while the E6000 series has a quad-pumped 266 MHz front side bus ("1066 FSB"). The reduced front side bus makes for an easier overclock attempt. Currently, the DDR2 RAM is quite expensive. Large overclocks are generally made by more expensive RAM; with the E4000 series, less-expensive RAM is required.



^ translater pls

[hUMANbEATbOX]

basically its saying that the first e6300's and e6400's were not Allendale as was originally thought.

the first e6300's and e6400's were in fact Conroe with 2mb of cache disabled. Intel made these cpu's this way for a long time.

the real Allendales, like the e4300, have 2mb of cache from the start. no need for intel to disable any cache.

so about 1-2 months ago, intel started transitioning the e6300's and e6400's from being Conroe's with 1/2 the cache disabled, to being Allendales, that have a native 2mb of cache.

Allendales have the disadvantage of not clocking as high as their Conroe big brothers.

[Burnt_Ram]

i just learned alot for this thread, thx. i'm in the same boat! i'm building a new machine for a friend but can't decide on the cpu. i like the fact that the e4300 has a 9x multi vs 8x of the e6300/6400 correct?

[PhobMX]

i just learned alot for this thread, thx. i'm in the same boat! i'm building a new machine for a friend but can't decide on the cpu. i like the fact that the e4300 has a 9x multi vs 8x of the e6300/6400 correct?

e6300 has a max 7 multi... its a real pain now i cant get my fsb any higher than 448

[shiver7]

I have to agree with phobmx...its a pain to get over 450FSB. I dunno, but the chip needs alot of volts after 450FSB for me anyways. Without really good cooling it seems to come to a halt. I can get it to run windows up to around 490fsb but I cant seem to get it stable in orthos for more than 15 mins. Temps end up being in the mid 60s as well.

This is my current specs in which it is 22hour orthos stable.
e6300 Allendale @ 460FSB 1.45v - 3.22Ghz
Gigabyte 965p-ds3 rev 3.3 F10
Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB PC2-8500 CL5-5-5-9
Scythe Ninja Rev B
Evga 8800GTS 640mb 615/1020
Western Digital Raptor 74GB
OCZ GameXStream 600w

[Burnt_Ram]

what multi does a e6600 have?

[Burnt_Ram]

e6300 has a max 7 multi... its a real pain now i cant get my fsb any higher than 4487x, omg. glad i didnt order one of those. i thought the 63's and 64's had atleast 8x!

[hUMANbEATbOX]

burnt, e6600 has a 9x multi.

and i like my e6300 with its 7x multi. :D

[PhobMX]

burnt, e6600 has a 9x multi.

and i like my e6300 with its 7x multi. :D

yup, conroes are perfectly fine with it, allendales well... get an e4300 instead

[Burnt_Ram]

ya, i think i'll end up getting the E4300 when the prices drop ...

[atomicplayer]

I just need to know which one would be easiest to OC to 3GHz. The parts I am using are in my sig. Thanks.

[MadMan007]

Chances are good either one will do 3GHz. Even with the 7x multi that's 'only' 430 FSB. If I were buying now between those two I would...not buy either now and just get the e4300 when prices drop if waiting a few weeks is possible.

[atomicplayer]

Chances are good either one will do 3GHz. Even with the 7x multi that's 'only' 430 FSB. If I were buying now between those two I would...not buy either now and just get the e4300 when prices drop if waiting a few weeks is possible.

Which one would perform better with my memory and mobo?

[Evilsizer]

the E6300, E4300 is only a option if you have low speed ram....

[MadMan007]

To expand on what I said, between the two, if you know both are true Allendales, I'd just go with the e4300 once prices drop. Save some money and it ought to be able to do 3GHz as well. Unless someone else knows that e6300 Allendales oc much better, I haven't kept up with forums other than ocforums but otherwise what's the point of the e6300? Speedbinning maybe, but that's why I said if anyone else knows different :p If you can't wait for the price drops the choice is tougher.

[atomicplayer]

the E6300, E4300 is only a option if you have low speed ram....

Okay - Thanks bro.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

really, if they are both allendale, they will both perform the same...you can drop the multi on the e4300 to 7, and then it would behave exactly like a e6300.

[Evilsizer]

really, if they are both allendale, they will both perform the same...you can drop the multi on the e4300 to 7, and then it would behave exactly like a e6300.
maybe its the lack of a new bios for my board but i cant drop the multi on my E4300.

[atomicplayer]

How much will the e6300 cost when the price drops hit?

[Evilsizer]

How much will the e6300 cost when the price drops hit?
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=505059

[atomicplayer]

E6320 - $163

wtf does the 20 mean?

[Evilsizer]

wtf does the 20 mean?
that is the current e6300 but with 4mb's L2, making it a conroe core.

[g0dM@n]

whoa... i'd no idea that an e6300 can be an allendale...

[atomicplayer]

so i need to wait and get the 6320

[hUMANbEATbOX]

whoa... i'd no idea that an e6300 can be an allendale...
all of the new e6300's and e6400's are allendale. they have a FPO/Batch# that starts with Q6, as opposed to the older Conroe parts that start with L6.

in cpuz, allendales are reported as having a stepping of L2, where Conroe's have the familiar B2 stepping.

[Evilsizer]

another way to tell is by the sspec number as well
http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2558&sSpec=&OrdCode=

[digerati]

all of the new e6300's and e6400's are allendale. they have a FPO/Batch# that starts with Q6, as opposed to the older Conroe parts that start with L6.

in cpuz, allendales are reported as having a stepping of L2, where Conroe's have the familiar B2 stepping.


So, when CPU-Z is reporting my E6300 L2 as a Conroe, it is incorrect?

http://jw3b.com/e6300conroe.png

My FPO/Batch# started with Q6...

[Evilsizer]

So, when CPU-Z is reporting my E6300 L2 as a Conroe, it is incorrect?

http://jw3b.com/e6300conroe.png

My FPO/Batch# started with Q6...
the L2 in the revision box says allendale.....so yes your e63 is not a conroe.

[Hl2dxCrt]

E4300s also dont have VT(vanderpool technology) disabled

[hUMANbEATbOX]

So, when CPU-Z is reporting my E6300 L2 as a Conroe, it is incorrect?

My FPO/Batch# started with Q6...

Like Evil said, you have an allendale. allendales might do 3-3.2ghz, the older real conroes, like mine will do 3.4-3.6ghz.

[atomicplayer]

Well, i get my cpu in today.. got the e6300... i think it's conroe... anyway.. i will love it because I came from a 2800+ Athlon 64. lol Newcastle.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Well, i get my cpu in today.. got the e6300... i think it's conroe... anyway.. i will love it because I came from a 2800+ Athlon 64. lol Newcastle.
if the fpo/batch # on the side of the box starts with L6, you have a conroe...if it starts with Q6, its an allendale.

[jackrungh]

I myself am anxiously awaiting e6420, getting back to guaranteed B2, the same nice multi, and I guess 2 more mb L2 cant hurt... :p Can't really justify the extra $50 for the e6600 I don't think, but tempting.

IMO if you are shopping for a new processor, not waiting for the 22nd is madness

[twicio08]

I'm talking in behalf of my experience... I just got more headroom in E4300 than an E6300.

[splat]

I'm talking in behalf of my experience... I just got more headroom in E4300 than an E6300.

Are you running stable (orthos 24hr) with your e4300 at 3.6ghz? I've personally seen my friend's e4300 boot in to windows at 3.6 with a tuniq tower on it, but he had to drop it down to 3.4 to even get 9hr orthos stable.

If you have 8+ hour orthos stability on your 3.6ghz oc, then you got an exceptional chip.

[JCushing]

not many people are hitting 3.6 with 4300's... mine wont post past 375fsb with an 8 or a 9 multy. wont run stable higher than 367fsb also 8 or 9 multy. so basically it appears that my chip's FSB is maxed out well shy of 400. still im not disapointed with 3.3ghz but it would be nice to run at say 410x8 instead of 367x9

underclocking my ram sucks...

[Pomegranate]

Like Evil said, you have an allendale. allendales might do 3-3.2ghz, the older real conroes, like mine will do 3.4-3.6ghz.

Why do people keep insisting that Allendales are inherently limited? Mine does 3.2ghz 100% stable at only 1.30v. Temps are also quite cool since the Ceramique cured. I haven't tried OCing higher but there's no reason to believe it can't go a lot faster if it can do 3.2ghz at stock voltage. It seems to me that a few people have complained about their Allendales and now people assume that they all suck. Some of us got a good chip and are happy with it.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/681/cpuzscreenie2yc3.png

[Evilsizer]

@Pomegranate
your is one of the "Gems" then as there are alot of duds. you cant really go by one gem and say nothing is wrong with the allendales. you should really be looking at the average. which isnt high compared to first run conroe cores. now the new conroe cores are ocing the same as the allendales.

[splat]

@Pomegranate
your is one of the "Gems" then as there are alot of duds. you cant really go by one gem and say nothing is wrong with the allendales. you should really be looking at the average. which isnt high compared to first run conroe cores. now the new conroe cores are ocing the same as the allendales.

which "new conroe" cores are you refering to? the e6320 and e6420?

[hUMANbEATbOX]

i think he's referring to the newer e6600+'s that have been going out lately. apparently they don't oc so good compared to the older conroes, but i bet they still hit 3.4ghz more consistently than allendales.

[Evilsizer]

which "new conroe" cores are you refering to? the e6320 and e6420?
the newer batches past week 29-30....

i think he's referring to the newer e6600+'s that have been going out lately. apparently they don't oc so good compared to the older conroes, but i bet they still hit 3.4ghz more consistently than allendales.
yea you got what i was meaning since i was one just like you, to nab a conroe based E63/E64.

[oakstave]

My E6700 hits 3.66ghz without breaking a sweat.