PS3 Launch Titles Delayed

[AngelfireUk83]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38359

This week is the official launch of PS3 across Europe and in my local GAME/EB store they have quite a few PS3 games supposedly available on launch. Well now some games have been delayed (check link) know reason to why they have but PS3 is not left with many games thats worth paying £50 for.

[FudgeNuggets]

Maybe this means they'll be REAL PS3 games and not just 360 ports. We'll see.

[Elif Tymes]

Am I the only one amused by the fact that I can buy any of those titles for my 360 right now?

I mean, literally. Right now. Could go to the local game store and pick up any one of those titles. :-p

[Surfrider77]

Am I the only one amused by the fact that I can buy any of those titles for my 360 right now?

I mean, literally. Right now. Could go to the local game store and pick up any one of those titles. :-p

Yea, cause 360s were just flooded with titles shortly after release!! :rolleyes:

[Elif Tymes]

That's not the point. The point is they've released the product already for a competing platform, yet are having enough difficulties rereleasing the same product that they have to push things back.

So either A)

The PS3 is a PITA to code for.

or
B) They want to improve the game for the PS3 version

or
C) All of the above.

I'm guessing it's more A than B though.

[tenchi86]

To bad these titles were delayed but happens all the time on Next Gen games. Hopefully now they can try to improve some things that were clearly wrong in the titles though.

Elif Tymes: Your right that's not the point, so why did you bring up the 360 at all and not mention on thing about games being delayed, then when someone calls you out you change it back to look like they are wrong?

[Elif Tymes]

I'm talking about game delays. They have released a game already, what makes it so hard to convert to another platform that they've had access to for ~ 1 year AFTER they had released the game already.

Seriously. How long has most of those games been out already? Why is there a delay on the release for the PS3? They should have had the games out launch day since they'd already finished the major development process...

[deception``]

To bad these titles were delayed but happens all the time on Next Gen games. Hopefully now they can try to improve some things that were clearly wrong in the titles though.

Elif Tymes: Your right that's not the point, so why did you bring up the 360 at all and not mention on thing about games being delayed, then when someone calls you out you change it back to look like they are wrong?

The fact that these titles are currently available for the Xbox 360 is very relevant. It is true that the PS3 came to retail a year later; however (a) the console was in development for a long time and (b) developers have had kits in their possession for a while, too.

This should be an issue for every current PS3 owner. I would be upset to see that a title such as GRAW 2 is available now for the Xbox 360 and may not make it to the PS3 until summer. Furthermore, these games are coming out later on the PS3 often do not offer anything to make them worth buying over the current 360 versions (in the case of someone owning more than one system). I remember when Madden 07 for the PS3 highlighted group tackles - in the end it turned out to be nothing more than a novelty and not enough to take away from the 360 version.

More than anything, I think that these delays could play into the fact that the PS3 is currently not as developer-friendly as the Xbox 360 or the Wii (this has been commented on by a number of people within the industry).

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[tenchi86]

Firstly he should probably think how he words his post next time then. It seems to me (Yes still does) he was bragging how the 360 had them and the PS3 did not. Did he mention that it points to development for the system was harder, did he say they are working on issues with the system? No, he said he can walk into his local game store and purchase any of these games for his 360, then finished the sentence by sticking his tongue out. Anyway it's known the PS3 is harder to develop for Phil Harrison will tell you that, but the main issue here is none of their old code really is going to work. For the past year all these companies have been perfecting engines to run on the 360, now that the PS3 is out though they are having to completely rework that code to be able to run through the PS3. It's a new system and things need to be worked out, I can very easily bring up plenty of titles delayed on the 360 in its early/launch days but it really does not mean much except they had not had a lot of practice on the system yet.

[Elif Tymes]

Then why have a number of titles that are 360 games been released already for the PS3?

I mean, it doesn't make sense why they need to delay some, and not delay others. I'm not bragging, I'm stating simple facts. IF I wanted "Next Gen" gaming experience, why would I wait till summer to buy the games I could buy now?

PS3's really gonna have to hit a homer(ahaha, pun intended), and soon. They need FFXIII, MGS, GTA all out, and they need them yesterday to get systems off the shelves and into an installed user base.

[deception``]

Firstly he should probably think how he words his post next time then. It seems to me (Yes still does) he was bragging how the 360 had them and the PS3 did not. Did he mention that it points to development for the system was harder, did he say they are working on issues with the system? No, he said he can walk into his local game store and purchase any of these games for his 360, then finished the sentence by sticking his tongue out. Anyway it's known the PS3 is harder to develop for Phil Harrison will tell you that, but the main issue here is none of their old code really is going to work. For the past year all these companies have been perfecting engines to run on the 360, now that the PS3 is out though they are having to completely rework that code to be able to run through the PS3. It's a new system and things need to be worked out, I can very easily bring up plenty of titles delayed on the 360 in its early/launch days but it really does not mean much except they had not had a lot of practice on the system yet.

Number one, it seems like you are a little too defensive about his words on the PS3. It's a console - I don't see why anybody should be so quick to defend such a thing.

Secondly, developers have had kits in their possession long before the PS3 was released. As such, it is really a moot point to state that the PS3 came out a year after the Xbox 360. The reality is that the PS3 had a very long development cycle (similar or longer than the 360), so this is moot. Just because we did not get our hands on the hardware....that does not mean that the developers were spitting in the wind until 11/06.

I can agree that there were titles that were/have been delayed on the 360, but the bottom line is that this should not have been the case given that the PS3 had an additional year before it launched. In reality, the PS3 launch (while not terrible by any means) was no better than that of the 360 - the system came out with sparse launch titles similar to that of the 360 and Wii.

Let me make it simple for you - when you have a console that costs so much, you've got to offer people the right software in order to motivate a purchase. If I am the average consumer in March of 2007 (who does not have tons of money to burn), what incentive do I have to spend at least $500 on a console with limited software, when a less-expensive console has more titles already?

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[tenchi86]

Number one, it seems like you are a little too defensive about his words on the PS3. It's a console - I don't see why anybody should be so quick to defend such a thing.

Secondly, developers have had kits in their possession long before the PS3 was released. As such, it is really a moot point to state that the PS3 came out a year after the Xbox 360. The reality is that the PS3 had a very long development cycle (similar or longer than the 360), so this is moot. Just because we did not get our hands on the hardware....that does not mean that the developers were spitting in the wind until 11/06.

I can agree that there were titles that were/have been delayed on the 360, but the bottom line is that this should not have been the case given that the PS3 had an additional year before it launched. In reality, the PS3 launch (while not terrible by any means) was no better than that of the 360 - the system came out with sparse launch titles similar to that of the 360 and Wii.

Let me make it simple for you - when you have a console that costs so much, you've got to offer people the right software in order to motivate a purchase. If I am the average consumer in March of 2007 (who does not have tons of money to burn), what incentive do I have to spend at least $500 on a console with limited software, when a less-expensive console has more titles already?

deception``


Defensive? No, I was not even going to post in this thread until Elif Tymes looked like he was trying to swing it were the other guy was wrong. I was merely trying to point out that Elif Tymes post had nothing to do with the thread, not at all trying to protect the system.

Yeah developers have had units for a few months, and they had 360 units for a few months before its release too.

Your right, games should not be delayed for the PS3 even when every other system has had delayed games because it game out a year later and as such should have had all the games already made.

Ok, not sure your point here? We are not talking about selling units, of course you have to offer the correct software when the unit cost so much and I am in no way saying Sony or third party devs have done that. Again though not at all what I was talking about.

[tenchi86]

Then why have a number of titles that are 360 games been released already for the PS3?

I mean, it doesn't make sense why they need to delay some, and not delay others. I'm not bragging, I'm stating simple facts. IF I wanted "Next Gen" gaming experience, why would I wait till summer to buy the games I could buy now?

PS3's really gonna have to hit a homer(ahaha, pun intended), and soon. They need FFXIII, MGS, GTA all out, and they need them yesterday to get systems off the shelves and into an installed user base.

A number of games have been released so that means that every game company should of been able to port just as easily?

As for delaying some and not others, well they don't all run into the same issues. A game like Oblivion they are claiming very big improvements in graphically, while a game like GRAW will probably look around the same.

Why should you buy it? No idea, I am not telling you to either. I was merely pointing out that your original post had nothing to do with the thread and you and Deception have managed to drag it out into some argument about the PS3.

[deception``]

Ok, not sure your point here? We are not talking about selling units, of course you have to offer the correct software when the unit cost so much and I am in no way saying Sony or third party devs have done that. Again though not at all what I was talking about.

I'm sorry if I was not clear here. The last point was more of a follow up to how I perceived Elif's comment. I think that he was commenting on the PS3 delaying titles that have already being released for the 360; I was simply alluding to the fact that Sony is not doing themselves any favors with all the title delays given that many of the games are available for a cheaper, competing platform today.

Again, sorry if I was not clear enough.

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[FudgeNuggets]

There is truth to what Elif and Deception speak about. We'll wait and see what they look like when they come out and if they do not look seriously improved over the 360 versions or look and play just like ports then MANY people will speculate as to why it took so long for these games to be released on the PS3 when the code has been finished for the 360 for over a year. Sony can blah-blah-blah hype the Cell all they want but in the end it is a Power PC processor running at 3.2GHZ just like the 360 is a Power PC Processor riunning at 3.2GHZ. The difference is 3 cores in the 360 vs 1 core and 7 SPEs in the PS3. If it's taking them over a year just to port a game then once can infer that it must be hella-tough to make the conversion from 3 cores to 1 core and 7 SPEs. I think it is a fair point and argument. PS3 exclusive games few that there are (and growing fewer and fewer now that it is confirmed that Devil May Cry, Metal Gear and Final Fantasy will all be on the 360) are exempt from this argument.

[PYROMANIAC]

i dont really mind delayed titles since gaming is not my life or 360 ports since most of the games ported are terrible, sorry.

it's easy for us to sit here and ask "why is it delayed since they knew about it for SO LONG" when we aren't involved with the companies. there is one easy answer, they are human and are not perfect like everyone here.

[deception``]

i dont really mind delayed titles since gaming is not my life or 360 ports since most of the games ported are terrible, sorry.

it's easy for us to sit here and ask "why is it delayed since they knew about it for SO LONG" when we aren't involved with the companies. there is one easy answer, they are human and are not perfect like everyone here.

Yes, all ported games are terrible.

I guess games such as Madden 07, GRAW 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and OBLIVION will be terrible titles given that they are being ported from the 360.

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[AngelfireUk83]

The PS3 is a totally different console compared to 360 we all know that they have different kits to develop games we all know that. They use different graphics chips so you might have to tweak the code to work from an ATI chip to nVidia (example Oblivion on 360 to PS3). The game developer said the PS3 version will be slightly better in draw distances and they'll be less loading when running around the map.

Now I really couldn't care less if it's better I played it on my 360 I enjoyed it I just got rid of it to trade in for another game as I finished the main quest and kept my game save. I will be getting it back to play the expansion pack which is out next week for 360 owners but not right now.

The only thing we can do is wait see when they come out the differences and thats it.

[PYROMANIAC]

Yes, all ported games are terrible.

I guess games such as Madden 07, GRAW 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and OBLIVION will be terrible titles given that they are being ported from the 360.

deception``

well if you saw all of them are terrible then i guess they must be. i was just saying most of the ported games were terrible :-/

[deception``]

well if you saw all of them are terrible then i guess they must be. i was just saying most of the ported games were terrible :-/

I was mocking your statement since you gave no pictures, reviews, or information to back up what many would consider to be an unsubstantiated claim.

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