View Full Version : Need new PSU Suggestions
acompdude
03-23-07, 12:22 PM
I havent ben keeping up with the new power supplies so I need some of you guys that have been to help me out.
I dont need a super power supply but I would like one that I would not have to upgrade for a while. It will only be running a pentium d and 4 or 5 hard drives and possibly watercooling later. Modular is also preferred. I would like to spend less than $200 on this. Preferably less than $150 but I will go up to $200 if it is necessary. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Oklahoma Wolf
03-23-07, 12:26 PM
Corsair HX520 will do it :)
wolf do you think the 620 corsair is better than the DA 750 from silverstone.
just curious
acompdude
03-23-07, 12:32 PM
Would a 750 wattish last me a little while future wise?
I was just curious cuz they are both modular and I hear the corsair 620 is a true 54amp 12v rail.
Oklahoma Wolf
03-23-07, 01:48 PM
wolf do you think the 620 corsair is better than the DA 750 from silverstone.
just curious
I'm undecided about the new Silverstones - a large portion of them are producing complaints of buzzing or whining with heavy loads. At the moment, until I'm certain Silverstone's addressed the issue, I'm going with Corsair on that one.
A Zippy unit would be a good choice as well.
I'm undecided about the new Silverstones - a large portion of them are producing complaints of buzzing or whining with heavy loads. At the moment, until I'm certain Silverstone's addressed the issue, I'm going with Corsair on that one.
based on the noise alone?
and is it true the 620 can pack 54amps?
Oklahoma Wolf
03-23-07, 03:44 PM
Yep - I'm not sure they spent enough time in the engineering of the new units. It's Silverstone's first effort at doing the actual enginnering though, so I'd expect a few buggy units at first.
The HX620 is good for 50A I believe.
cool man ty
I have a DA 750 on the way
RollingThunder
03-23-07, 05:07 PM
Would a 750 wattish last me a little while future wise?
You need to project accurately what you are contemplating "a little while future wise." If you are thinking dual 8800GTXs SLI, then perhaps something bigger but there are those here that would tell you the Corsair will run them too. This Corsair, since you want modular, is rated SLI easily and should be more than enough for anything but the extreme. If it would make you feel more confortable, the Corsair HX620 would do too.
One of the guys here ran 8800 GTXs SLI with a Silverstone ZF560w without a problem whatsoever. Does that answer your question?
acompdude
03-23-07, 07:36 PM
Well I am in the process of looking up some of those power supplies now and I seem to really like those corsair power supplies. Its kinda sad. The last time I was buying a power supply I dont even think corsair was making power supplies.
Also, if any of you are intel guys I have a thread about picking a new mobo and some help there would be greatly appreciated.
acompdude
03-24-07, 09:25 AM
I really like that silverstone but I am kinda afraid with that buzzing/whining issue. What about the Silverstone ST75F Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256009). Its modular and it has 4 pci express plugs. Wouldnt having four be a little more future proof? The corsair only has two. Are there any other good power supplies in my price range and needs other than corsair and silverstone? I am just trying to cover all the bases.
Oklahoma Wolf
03-24-07, 10:32 AM
What about the Silverstone ST75F Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256009).
Go with the ST75ZF instead - the higher power Striders have left me feeling rather underwhelmed.
acompdude
03-24-07, 11:17 AM
So it looks like I am going to be ordering the ST75ZF unless someone gives me a reason not to. Thanks for your help guys.
UglyChild
03-24-07, 01:33 PM
I always stood by Enermax. Im on 2nd PSU after 7 years. Not a bad deal if you ask me, while every one else buys new once every year.
acompdude
03-24-07, 09:21 PM
I would go for enermax but I really want a modular psu. I wish enermax made one(unless I am just not seeing it). So I guess its still the ST75ZF. I will not be ordering till probably monday so suggestions are still welcome.
jivetrky
03-24-07, 09:31 PM
I would go for enermax but I really want a modular psu. I wish enermax made one(unless I am just not seeing it). So I guess its still the ST75ZF. I will not be ordering till probably monday so suggestions are still welcome.
Enermax does have a modular line. The Liberty line (http://www.enermaxusa.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_45). They have a 400W, 500W, and 620W.
That ST75ZF is still a much better PSU, but if you have to have modular, then the Liberties are pretty nice.
mortimer
03-25-07, 03:19 AM
Well I am in the process of looking up some of those power supplies now and I seem to really like those corsair power supplies. Its kinda sad. The last time I was buying a power supply I dont even think corsair was making power supplies.
Also, if any of you are intel guys I have a thread about picking a new mobo and some help there would be greatly appreciated.
At SPCR (SilentPCReview.com) they say that Seasonic makes the Corsair units. They also say that the M (modular) units exhibit an unpleasant buzzing noise at low power usage levels. Don't know if either is true.
hyperasus
03-25-07, 03:24 AM
Under $200? Can't beleive noone has mentioned the PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005
You won't find better for under $200
Super Nade
03-25-07, 03:44 AM
Same OEM as the Corsair. Both are good units and you cannot go wrong with either one. There has been a lot of talk with regards to how exactly Seasonic are involved with the Silencer series, i.e. whether Design+Engineering or just the manufacturing.
I have not heard anything convincing to comment on this. Maybe Wolf would know. ;)
hyperasus
03-25-07, 03:56 AM
The PCP&C 610 silencer is single 12v rail. I don't think the corsair is and I know the seasonic isn't. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of seasonic. But these newer PCP&C are flippen nice. Someone with more knowledge on the subject can pipe in here.
RollingThunder
03-25-07, 06:35 AM
The PCP&C 610 silencer is single 12v rail. I don't think the corsair is and I know the seasonic isn't. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of seasonic. But these newer PCP&C are flippen nice. Someone with more knowledge on the subject can pipe in here.
Oklahoma Wolf pointed out some time ago that the Corsair HX series are Seasonic OEM. Jonny Guru's tests and disassembly showed that the Corsair HX520 is actually a single rail 40 amp regardless of the advertising for it. Since accompdude's build is very mild, the Corsair HX520 was suggested and he wouldn't have to spend near his projected budget on one and it's modular. ($106 from ZZF delivered and their are frequent $10 manufacturer's rebates listed)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=28
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=373100
I know it's tough to keep up with the information in these power supply threads or even find it but when OW stated the Corsairs were Seasonic OEM, that was all many of us needed to hear and bought them.
No one would question the quality of the PCP&C units but the 610 would be way overkill. Even the Corsair HX520 is more than enough but it's been stated it's probably the best modular available today. I'm tickled to death with mine and the only way I can tell it's running is when I have a lit up screen in front of me it's so quiet.
Probably anyone here would buy PCP&C units in an instant depending on what type of unit it would be supporting. But cost and system requirements make the Corsair HX520 an ideal choice in this case.
Super Nade
03-25-07, 08:01 AM
Also, there is nothing wrong with multiple rail units if the power distribution is handled intelligently (by the PSU OEM).
acompdude
03-25-07, 09:34 AM
Thanks for your input RollingThunder. The reason I want a higher power psu is I want one that I wont have to upgrade if I upgrade my system. With power requirements constantly rising for graphics cards I dont want my psu to be lagging if I want to get one of these new cards later on. Anyway, with that said I think I am going to get either the Corsair HX620 or the Silverstone ST75ZF.
So which do you think would be the better choice between that Silverstone ST75ZF and that Corsair HX620? The Silverstone is slightly cheaper and has more watts however that Corsair is really nice and it is only slightly more expensive. I know RollingThunder was saying that the 520 Watt would be overkill but I am looking towards the future when the DX10 become cheaper I will need that extra 100 watts to run one of those well wont I?
Oklahoma Wolf
03-25-07, 10:00 AM
Same OEM as the Corsair. Both are good units and you cannot go wrong with either one. There has been a lot of talk with regards to how exactly Seasonic are involved with the Silencer series, i.e. whether Design+Engineering or just the manufacturing.
PC P&C designs them, Seasonic builds them.
The Corsairs are at least as well built and better looking IMO, and they are without question single 12v designs.
acompdude
03-25-07, 10:58 AM
I think this (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=373110) deal at zipzoomfly just made up my mind. That $20 rebate just really makes an already good price better. I think I will be ordering that in the next couple of days. I have to make sure my budget is in order before I can order it.
RollingThunder
03-25-07, 11:02 AM
Thanks for your input RollingThunder. The reason I want a higher power psu is I want one that I wont have to upgrade if I upgrade my system. With power requirements constantly rising for graphics cards I dont want my psu to be lagging if I want to get one of these new cards later on. Anyway, with that said I think I am going to get either the Corsair HX620 or the Silverstone ST75ZF.
So which do you think would be the better choice between that Silverstone ST75ZF and that Corsair HX620? The Silverstone is slightly cheaper and has more watts however that Corsair is really nice and it is only slightly more expensive. I know RollingThunder was saying that the 520 Watt would be overkill but I am looking towards the future when the DX10 become cheaper I will need that extra 100 watts to run one of those well wont I?
Acomp,
I don't have any "hands on" experience with the Silverstones, only from Jonny Guru's site and from the guys that know their stuff here. I think we all understand "possible future needs" with computers today. It would appear to me that either one of your more powerful choices are "no brainers." I would check both pieces, their connectors, and their rail capacities rather than their "watts" and make your choice. I really like the nylon velcro pouch with the Corsairs for storing unused cables and connectors and I'm sold on modular after finally getting one.
With the experts we have here and the "hands on" resources made available to us, buying a good power supply has been made much simpler today. Wish I was as smart some years ago with what I have learned here..........
acompdude
03-25-07, 11:41 AM
Well both of them have a nice array of connectors and both have what I need. Power wise the only difference I can see is in the -12V. The Corsair has 0.8A and the Silverstone has 0.5A. The Corsair has a 5 year warranty and the Silverstone only has a 3 year. I like a company that will stand by their product for 5 years. I keep reading things about the Corsair that really make me want to get it. I think it will serve my needs well for now and in the next couple of years. I think by the time the warranty is up it will be time for a new one anyway. Plus that is a really good price at zipzoomfly and I hate to pass it up on such a great power supply.
Super Nade
03-26-07, 03:45 AM
-12 V is not used to power anything. If you have a crazy board like some DFI NF4's, you might want a unit with more current on 5VSB.Otherwise, both are good units and will suite your needs rather nicely. I would pu the Etasis built Zeus ST56ZF above the Corsair units in terms of build quality. Also, Ultra X-Pro 600 and the Silverstone Olympia 650W units are well worth a look.
If you are looking at DX10, I suggest you wait till more supplies have the proper type and number of 8-pin connectors.
acompdude
03-26-07, 09:22 AM
If you are looking at DX10, I suggest you wait till more supplies have the proper type and number of 8-pin connectors.[/COLOR]
I guess you do have a point there. I havent really thought about that. Does anyone know when that whole deal is going to be decided.
Super Nade
03-26-07, 09:56 AM
The standards are in place, implimentation will follow soon enough. I suppose it depends on the marketing departments of the respective manufacturers. Silverstone have made a couple of attempts (A few current units have the wrong connectors) and the next "versions" of their newer units are supposed to come out with the right connectors. Topower/Tagan and OCZ all have the newer connectors.
Seriously speaking, this effort or lack of thereof by the PSU companies and GPU companies has been shocking to say the least. AMD/ATI have to take most of the blame for this guess-fest.
funnyperson1
03-26-07, 10:44 AM
Imho ATI and Nvidia take all the blame for producing these horribly inefficient video cards that require so much power.
acompdude
03-28-07, 05:22 PM
Imho ATI and Nvidia take all the blame for producing these horribly inefficient video cards that require so much power.
I would have to highly agree with you. If Intel can make a processor that requires less power and is more powerful then why cant a gpu be made that uses less power and is more powerful.
hyperasus
03-28-07, 06:06 PM
Are you guys talking about a new GPU power plug type? Cause I f****** swear.... if all my power supplies are suddenly outdated because of these turd ass video card companies I might just fly off the handle. I think if these worthless ******* video card companies want their own nuclear power plant to operate then they should sell it with the card. They could sell the cards power source with the card then just plug it in threw the back.
funnyperson1
03-28-07, 06:35 PM
Heh I remember the days when you didn't have to plug anything into a video card.
Then they made you plug in a molex, then they upgrade the slot power output AND made you plugin a 6 pin, now they move to 8 pin, and I am pretty sure that the next PCIE standard will also support more wattage through the slot. If this trend continues I think PSUs are just going to come with four ATX connectors.
This is were the modular design shines. Just get the right leads from the PSU manufacturer.
But it still sucks that these boneheads can't seem to get it together on standardization.
pik4chu
04-04-07, 04:59 PM
Are you guys talking about a new GPU power plug type? Cause I f****** swear.... if all my power supplies are suddenly outdated because of these turd ass video card companies I might just fly off the handle. I think if these worthless ******* video card companies want their own nuclear power plant to operate then they should sell it with the card. They could sell the cards power source with the card then just plug it in threw the back.
they are talking about new connectors for DX10 graphics cards, so as long as you dont go out and buy new DX10 cards for every machine when they come out you wont have to worry about your PSUs becoming useless :)
Misfit138
04-04-07, 05:03 PM
I would have to highly agree with you. If Intel can make a processor that requires less power and is more powerful then why cant a gpu be made that uses less power and is more powerful.
The 7950GT and 7600GT both use 90nm architecture and require a lot less amperage than the older 120nm gpus. I think as the GPU processors shrink down below 90nm, power consumption should drop and efficiency should rise (much like CPU's have done).
:)
RollingThunder
04-04-07, 05:47 PM
they are talking about new connectors for DX10 graphics cards, so as long as you dont go out and buy new DX10 cards for every machine when they come out you wont have to worry about your PSUs becoming useless :)
pik,
You wonder if there isn't a conspiracy between the graphics card makers and the power supply makers. :) Guess it won't be possible to use an adapter either?
You guys are right, CPU power needs diminish and GPU cards escalate to the point where an 850w SLI will be "average" and laughed at shortly!
RollingThunder
04-04-07, 05:50 PM
Heh I remember the days when you didn't have to plug anything into a video card.
Then they made you plug in a molex, then they upgrade the slot power output AND made you plugin a 6 pin, now they move to 8 pin, and I am pretty sure that the next PCIE standard will also support more wattage through the slot. If this trend continues I think PSUs are just going to come with four ATX connectors.
FP,
I remember when 1 mb "on board" was the envy of the block! The power supply I had for that computer wouldn't power an 8800GTX today.
Misfit138
04-04-07, 06:03 PM
FP,
I remember when 1 mb "on board" was the envy of the block! The power supply I had for that computer wouldn't power an 8800GTX today.
I remember the 4.77 MHz 8088 IBM PC with 64KB of RAM and a 5 1/4" floppy, withOUT color graphics adapters or sound cards...with monochrome monitors, running DOS. I also remember the Commodor PET, with its cassette tape drive...it took 15 minutes to load Canyon, and Wampus.
*Sigh* I'm getting old.
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