HOT!! X2 3600 Brisbane OEM 69$ shipped

[Vengance_01]

Newegg just drop the price 10$. How low can this incrediable chip go?h

[2222222]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103036

[moz_21]

This begs me to ask the question "Why am I still using SKT939?"

Because I paid too much for the parts and don't want to shell out more money for a marginal upgrade. That and my Opteron overclocks pretty well. Ooo, and that 1mb cache/core. That's my excuse. :bday:

[mista ting]

Because I paid too much for the parts and don't want to shell out more money for a marginal upgrade. That and my Opteron overclocks pretty well. Ooo, and that 1mb cache/core. That's my excuse. :bday:

QFT not to mention you gotta purchase new ram :\

[funnyperson1]

Even better, get this as a combo with the Biostar board. Combo is $134, there is a $10 rebate on the mobo. So you can get a dual core CPU, and a quality motherboard that can take it to 2.8+ghz for $124. This to me is the best deal in hardware right now.

[g0dM@n]

Even better, get this as a combo with the Biostar board. Combo is $134, there is a $10 rebate on the mobo. So you can get a dual core CPU, and a quality motherboard that can take it to 2.8+ghz for $124. This to me is the best deal in hardware right now.
i see the combo deal with the ECS mobo with onboard video (6100)... reviews are either hit or miss...

are you speaking of this board?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138036

what do you like it so much?

i was originally gonna give my older bro a 3000+ venice s939 since he already has DDR memory with his celeron, but now i'm rethinking... since ddr2 is so cheap, and this x2 deal may be better for him.

[doublejack]

This is the biostar mobo that OC's very nicely - the TForce 6100. Like the ECS (and the Biostar godman linked) it is based on the nVidia 6100 chipset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

The cheaper Biostar 6100 does not OC like the TForce does. With a TForce you're looking at 270 to 280 bus speeds pretty easily, and probably 300+.


Also, FYI this price is really not that special. Check out d94's thread here (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=505059)

QX6700 - $999
FX 74 - $900
FX 72 - $660
Q6600 - $530
FX 70 - EOL
E6700 - $316
X2 6000 - $238
E6600 - $224
X2 5600 - $192
E6420 - $183
X2 5400 - EOL
X2 5200 - $169
E6320 - $163
X2 5000 - $156
E4400 - $133
X2 4800 - $129
E4300 - $113
X2 4600 - EOL
X2 4400 - $125
X2 4200 - EOL
X2 4000 - $100
X2 3800 - $72
X2 3600 - $69

What we're seeing is just the April 9th price on the 3600+ about a week early. Soon we should see the 3800+ for just a few dollars more, making that one a better deal imo.

[g0dM@n]

This is the biostar mobo that OC's very nicely - the TForce 6100. Like the ECS (and the Biostar godman linked) it is based on the nVidia 6100 chipset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

The cheaper Biostar 6100 does not OC like the TForce does. With a TForce you're looking at 270 to 280 bus speeds pretty easily, and probably 300+.


Also, FYI this price is really not that special. Check out d94's thread here (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=505059)



What we're seeing is just the April 9th price on the 3600+ about a week early. Soon we should see the 3800+ for just a few dollars more, making that one a better deal imo.
ya but that board is pushing my budget... :(

and i know of the price drops, but i'm willing to buy something a week earlier rather than a potential $5-10 price drop... though i do have 3 more weeks til it's his bday... just wanted a head start.

[funnyperson1]

I was talking about the TForce550 actually, for the last month or two newegg has been running sick combo deals with the X2 3600+. Last week you could get the TForce550/X2 3600+ Brisbane for $124 AR. Right now its about $140 AR, which imho is still a steal, even if its not an official combo anymore. This combo will pretty much always hit 2.8-3ghz.

[g0dM@n]

I was talking about the TForce550 actually, for the last month or two newegg has been running sick combo deals with the X2 3600+. Last week you could get the TForce550/X2 3600+ Brisbane for $124 AR. Right now its about $140 AR, which imho is still a steal, even if its not an official combo anymore. This combo will pretty much always hit 2.8-3ghz.
do you know this from experience? that's CRAZY 2.8ghz dual core for only $140... AND with onboard video!!!

[doublejack]

I was talking about the TForce550 actually, for the last month or two newegg has been running sick combo deals with the X2 3600+. Last week you could get the TForce550/X2 3600+ Brisbane for $124 AR. Right now its about $140 AR, which imho is still a steal, even if its not an official combo anymore. This combo will pretty much always hit 2.8-3ghz.

Ah, I see. Yeah, that is a good combo. Currently it's $143 AR for the comob. I think the TForce 6100 is a better deal though. For just a few dollars more you get video, and there's no rebate to worry about.

do you know this from experience? that's CRAZY 2.8ghz dual core for only $140... AND with onboard video!!!

The TForce 550 does OC very well and should push a x2 3600 to 2.8GHz, however it does not have onboard video. The TForce 6100 will OC about the same, but with the video.

[g0dM@n]

The TForce 550 does OC very well and should push a x2 3600 to 2.8GHz, however it does not have onboard video. The TForce 6100 will OC about the same, but with the video.
Oops... realized after my post, and got caught up and couldn't EDIT... ya I would want something with onboard as my brother doesn't game... just trying to upgrade his celeron!!

[funnyperson1]

550 doesn't have onboard video, but I have seen a lot of people with this combo, and only a couple haven't hit 2.8.

Check out these threads:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=501274
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sisubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000255
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=136051

Lot of happy overclockers :p

But the 6100 should also hit around 300HTT to provide 2.8-2.9ghz ocs, and if you don't need to game the 6100 graphics are great.

[SavageBasher]

down to $65 now! >_<

[Rattle]

so the tforce 550 is the mobo to get ?
is that kingston value ddr2 667 ram that was out for $140 a couple months back work in it ?

need budget parts :)

[resoluteK]

they also added a new combo deal - free rainbow six: vegas disc

rattle, I'd look at the supertalent ddr2-667 from ewiz if it's still around $110.. I got my pair to 950mhz, others have gone beyond 1000mhz

[g0dM@n]

oh it went from $69 to $65 today...

so which board is the one i want... i WANT onboard video cuz I don't feel like buying another video card.

is this the one i want?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138036

[ancalime]

Well since the 3600 is listed as $69 retail on April 22, how cheap do you guys think this OEM one will be? Sub $45-50? :drool:

[krag]

oh it went from $69 to $65 today...

so which board is the one i want... i WANT onboard video cuz I don't feel like buying another video card.

is this the one i want?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138036

Welp, according to one of the reviews on the egg it does not support the 3600 brisbane

Cons: NO 3600+ X2 BRISBANE SUPPORT!! Biostar claims it supports the 3600+ but it wont work, you have to hit the reset button every time on a cold boot.

[funnyperson1]

No this is the one you want:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

I haven't seen any ocing results from the non TForce 6100 AM2, but I imagine they aren't as good.

ancalime, I'm not sure this chip will necessarily become cheaper, I think perhaps the price cut has simply already taken effect for it.

[doublejack]

oh it went from $69 to $65 today...

so which board is the one i want... i WANT onboard video cuz I don't feel like buying another video card.

is this the one i want?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138036

That board has limited overclocking options and probably won't get you very far. The one you want is the TForce 6100, which is about $20 more. However, if you look often you can probably snag an open box TForce for $43, like I did :bday: .

[funnyperson1]

Interestingly if you look there is a Revision 3 of the Geforce 6100AM2 which is identical to the TForce, except it uses regular caps instead of solid polymer ones. Apparently you can flash the TForce bios to it and get all the overclocking settings.

Not sure how you would ensure which version you get though.

[d4rr3n]

What's crazy about all this is just doing a quick scan of ebay, I can actually sell off my very old mobo/cpu/ddr and buy this x2 3600+ with either the Tforce 6100 or the evga 590sli ($99 after rebate) and 2gb of faster ddr2 and actually make money. Much better pc and a profit.....I'd have to be a fool not to jump on this ASAP. Not that this is the package I've been eying (I'll be jumping for those Q307 Intel cuts), but I think after the smoke clears on this month's price cuts what I currently have will be worth NOTHING and this new setup will actually retain some value......it can't go much lower than rock bottom which it nearly is.

[g0dM@n]

man... this is looking like it's gonna cost more than i expected. :(

my brother has a 2.0 (or 2.4)ghz celeron s478 mini atx Dell. i wanted to upgrade it, but if i go with this 3600+ x2 and the biostar board, i'm afraid i'll also have to upgrade his PSU... to upgrade his PSU i'll probably need a new case too, and that's way over my budget.

Any clue if a Dell's PSU will be able to power all of this?
3600+ X2
Biostar with onboard video (still can't decide between these two: link1 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138052), link2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138036))
1gb ddr2
One hdd (either his current 40gb pata, or my spare 80gb sata)
CD Burner
DVD Burner

He has everything as basic as possible, except that he has two optical drives instead of one.

If his PSU can power this (i'm going to assume it's a 250watt that Dell has in there), then I can still go for this... assuming i can hook up a 20-pin to the 24-pin connector.

[doublejack]

I think you'll need a better PSU. At the very least, the Dell PSU will kill the overclock potential. At worst, it will fail and take some of the new parts along with it. 250w is right on the edge, even a 300 or 350 would be much safer. If you just want to run the 3600+ at stock then it might be ok.

[Jon]

That would be borderline at full load. If you don't expect it at more than 60% the majority of the time, then I'd say it would be OK in the interim. I would replace it as soon as it was feasible, however.

If overclocking, don't even consider using that PSU.

[d4rr3n]

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can answer those questions for you. I've never had to deal with all the dell proprietary stuff before, only heard of problems related to it. I'm just responding to say that if you did have to get a new case and psu I don't think it would be that much as there are probably other avenues you could pursue in acquiring them. If you need to replace them you shouldn't have a problem finding something adequate (certainly won't be a stunner or powerhouse though) case/psu combo for around $25 shipped tops. If that is too much you may be able to find a free scrap case locally for free.....maybe even a psu if you are lucky. Just some ideas, sorry I can't be of more help.

[g0dM@n]

That would be borderline at full load. If you don't expect it at more than 60% the majority of the time, then I'd say it would be OK in the interim. I would replace it as soon as it was feasible, however.

If overclocking, don't even consider using that PSU.

exactly what my plans were. just needed someone to give me a supporting opinion. you see, i also have a spare 400w powmax psu, which isn't the greatest, but i know it would hold... only thing is i know Dell's mini atx cases and how their PSUs are short... just afraid it wouldn't fit and would need a new case...

but good news is below!!! :)

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can answer those questions for you. I've never had to deal with all the dell proprietary stuff before, only heard of problems related to it. I'm just responding to say that if you did have to get a new case and psu I don't think it would be that much as there are probably other avenues you could pursue in acquiring them. If you need to replace them you shouldn't have a problem finding something adequate (certainly won't be a stunner or powerhouse though) case/psu combo for around $25 shipped tops. If that is too much you may be able to find a free scrap case locally for free.....maybe even a psu if you are lucky. Just some ideas, sorry I can't be of more help.
case/psu combo for $25 shipped? i don't think that's possible. :D

GOOD NEWS:

alright fellas... i did the smart thing (since i'm thinking of future)... i called my brother and told him my bday gift plans for him, and i told him the truth that i wasn't willing to spend hundreds. i asked him if he wanted me to go with my original (cheaper, single-core) plan, or to go with new parts, dual-core, and new case.... only downside is he'd have to chip in.

so... he's cool with it. i told him i could build him a full tower for roughly $300. the only thing i would grab from his old piece of junk Dell celeron is his optical drives.

i told him i'd get a few bux from our 2 younger bros (maybe $30 apiece), and that i'd put in a good chunk and he could fill in the rest.

so, i think we're good to go, but now i'm just going to debate on if i should wait til price drops or not. his bday is april 25th.

you guys have NO IDEA how good i feel when i upgrade someone's complaint-of-a-computer. i'm SO excited to finally get him something he'll NEVER have to complain about again. even when he's got junk on his PC and things run in the background, the dual-core will help keep it from getting too bad... and it'll be easier for me to maintain than a junky celeron!!! :)

Now... to find him a super cheap LCD (~19")

[noxqzs]

there really is nothing like seeing someone's computer troubles go away. The same goes for any profession, I am sure, but for us its this.

The only time I get hesitant about working on someone's computer is when they are literally glued to doing things one way. In their oppinion, nothing should be changed, and if their computer isn't exactly how they received it from the store, its broken. The only time I can convince that type of person, is by example, and not on their pc.

[g0dM@n]

The only time I get hesitant about working on someone's computer is when they are literally glued to doing things one way. In their oppinion, nothing should be changed, and if their computer isn't exactly how they received it from the store, its broken. The only time I can convince that type of person, is by example, and not on their pc.
You're right on point... I also do computer work as freelance, though not as much anymore, but you're so right.

They want everything EXACTLY as it was... people are so afraid of change. Me... I like change, as long as convenience isn't lost in the long run.

I asked my brother... I was like "so... when you're messin' with itunes and you try to do something else, does your computer slow down?" He says, "yes, a LOT"... and he also mentioned how his music like skips. I have heard his music skip. It's that digital skip, if you know what I mean... not a choppy CD, but as if the computer can't catch up with the music.

Isn't it sad that his computer STRUGGLES to play iTunes? I think iTunes is a CPU or system mem hog, but the dual-core will take care of that. :) Also gonna up him from 512mb (shared with video) to 1GB.

You guys have no idea... I get such a good feeling doing this, ESPECIALLY for my older bro. I'm glad I could help him out b/c he's been tight on cash for a while now.

[d4rr3n]

exactly what my plans were. just needed someone to give
case/psu combo for $25 shipped? i don't think that's possible. :D


I think you could find it if you did enough looking, I looked for maybe 5-10 minutes and found mid tower atx 450 watt psu combos for $30-35 shipped so who knows. Anyways good luck.

[Cisco Kid]

No this is the one you want:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

I haven't seen any ocing results from the non TForce 6100 AM2, but I imagine they aren't as good.

ancalime, I'm not sure this chip will necessarily become cheaper, I think perhaps the price cut has simply already taken effect for it.

jesus pete this is a great deal with the 3600, I have an ECS P4M800-M V2.0 which accepts DDR and DDR2 but it has an AGP slot, no pcie and the fsb only goes to 300, so it can only get the 6300 I have on it to 2.1

I am gonna flog the 6300 and board and get this 3600 and the Biostar board as I have a spare pcie card for it and buddy will take the 850 agp card

This site cause you to uncontrollably spend

[g0dM@n]

jesus pete this is a great deal with the 3600, I have an ECS P4M800-M V2.0 which accepts DDR and DDR2 but it has an AGP slot, no pcie and the fsb only goes to 300, so it can only get the 6300 I have on it to 2.1

I am gonna flog the 6300 and board and get this 3600 and the Biostar board as I have a spare pcie card for it and buddy will take the 850 agp card

This site cause you to uncontrollably spend
you're gonna downgrade from conroe to this? well, i guess it's not much of a downgrade if you get to 2.8-3.0 on the brisbane...

So today I purchased a bunch of goodies from NewEgg, for a great deal!! I'm actually going through with this to build a brand new rig for my older brother. The only thing I'm grabbing from his machine is his DVD+R (that I gave to him as part of a xmas present), and his CD-R/DVD combo... I got a spare 80gb sata I'm giving to him, as well as a spare HSF (AC Freezer 64), and alllllll of the other parts are brand new in the tower I'm building. Also got him a 19" LCD WS.

Check it out ($13 discount for rosewill case and psu, and $45 discount for free Rainbow6 pc game, also got a few bucks off shipping with a promo code):

Product Description Total Price
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #29765
Item #: COM $-13.00
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #31052 GIFT
Item #: COM $-45.00

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO3600IAA5DL - OEM
Item #: N82E16819103036
$65.00

Rosewill R5717-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case withTool-Free kits - Retail
Item #: N82E16811147057
$29.99

Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-DB ATX V2.2 450W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182022
$36.99

UBISOFT Gift - PC Game Soft Rainbow Six:Vegas - OEM
Item #: N82E16800992003
$45.00

BIOSTAR NF61VM2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138036
$53.99

Patriot 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model PSD21G8002 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820220088
$67.99

ViewSonic Optiquest Series Q19wb Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824116014
$189.99


Subtotal: $430.95
Shipping: $17.42
Total: $448.37
-$40 MIR for Viewsonic LCD
-$10 MIR for 1GB Patriot DDR2 800
=$398.37 AR w/shipping

Not bad, EH!? And we're gonna hopefully sell his 2.4 celeron with monitor to a friend for $125ish... full system.

His upgrade is a MAJOR one and for only ~$300, and that's including the monitor!! :)

I'm so excited to build this and give it to him... he's gonna LOVE it compared to his celeron!!

P.S. Anyone know if a stock AMD s939 single-core heatsink will do? I kinda wanted to keep my AC Freezer if I can get away with it... I've no idea how cool/hot the AM2s run.

[MadMan007]

That's pretty damn sweet WITH a monitor :o As long as the PSU is reasonable quality-wise, obviously it's not an 'ocer PSU' just as long as it's not dodgy and would lead to instability.

[g0dM@n]

That's pretty damn sweet WITH a monitor :o As long as the PSU is reasonable quality-wise, obviously it's not an 'ocer PSU' just as long as it's not dodgy and would lead to instability.
i bet it'll be fine... i always make the best out of any PSU.

my all-time favorite PSU is the thermaltake single-rail 420w and 430w PSUs... i've powered a FULLY watercooled OCed opteron dual-core with one b4... along with raid0 raptors.

this PSU was too good of a deal to pass up, and i think it's worth it to try out anything Rosewill... they seem to be "value", and i'm sure it can hold up with what i have planned for my bro... everything he has is basic down to the bone, except for having 2 optical instead of 1... that's ALL that's extra. no extra hdds, no video card, just plain old basic tower with maybe an extra quiet fan or two.

[Cisco Kid]

you're gonna downgrade from conroe to this? well, i guess it's not much of a downgrade if you get to 2.8-3.0 on the brisbane...

So today I purchased a bunch of goodies from NewEgg, for a great deal!! I'm actually going through with this to build a brand new rig for my older brother. The only thing I'm grabbing from his machine is his DVD+R (that I gave to him as part of a xmas present), and his CD-R/DVD combo... I got a spare 80gb sata I'm giving to him, as well as a spare HSF (AC Freezer 64), and alllllll of the other parts are brand new in the tower I'm building. Also got him a 19" LCD WS.

Check it out ($13 discount for rosewill case and psu, and $45 discount for free Rainbow6 pc game, also got a few bucks off shipping with a promo code):

Product Description Total Price
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #29765
Item #: COM $-13.00
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #31052 GIFT
Item #: COM $-45.00

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO3600IAA5DL - OEM
Item #: N82E16819103036
$65.00

Rosewill R5717-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case withTool-Free kits - Retail
Item #: N82E16811147057
$29.99

Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-DB ATX V2.2 450W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182022
$36.99

UBISOFT Gift - PC Game Soft Rainbow Six:Vegas - OEM
Item #: N82E16800992003
$45.00

BIOSTAR NF61VM2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138036
$53.99

Patriot 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model PSD21G8002 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820220088
$67.99

ViewSonic Optiquest Series Q19wb Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824116014
$189.99


Subtotal: $430.95
Shipping: $17.42
Total: $448.37
-$40 MIR for Viewsonic LCD
-$10 MIR for 1GB Patriot DDR2 800
=$398.37 AR w/shipping

Not bad, EH!? And we're gonna hopefully sell his 2.4 celeron with monitor to a friend for $125ish... full system.

His upgrade is a MAJOR one and for only ~$300, and that's including the monitor!! :)

I'm so excited to build this and give it to him... he's gonna LOVE it compared to his celeron!!

P.S. Anyone know if a stock AMD s939 single-core heatsink will do? I kinda wanted to keep my AC Freezer if I can get away with it... I've no idea how cool/hot the AM2s run.

Nice pc for your bro. I am only willing to give up the E6300 since I have one in my desktop and the mini is my sons/wifes pc and since it is AGP and can only clock to 2.1 I figure the AM2 overall will be faster at 2.7-2.8, I can prolly sell the 6300 and board for more than the 3600 and Biostar board, plus flog the AGP 850 and use the XFX 6800XT Extreme. I guess it is also the tinkering aspect and then I have 1 of each in the house but I kinda wonder if it is worth it even though it will be less... Hmm the nice DDR2 would work nice on AM2, tuff decision, would you guys do it or just look for a better C2Duo board??

[krag]

Product Description Total Price
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #29765
Item #: COM $-13.00
DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #31052 GIFT
Item #: COM $-45.00

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO3600IAA5DL - OEM
Item #: N82E16819103036
$65.00

Rosewill R5717-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case withTool-Free kits - Retail
Item #: N82E16811147057
$29.99

Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-DB ATX V2.2 450W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182022
$36.99

UBISOFT Gift - PC Game Soft Rainbow Six:Vegas - OEM
Item #: N82E16800992003
$45.00

BIOSTAR NF61VM2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138036
$53.99

Patriot 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model PSD21G8002 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820220088
$67.99

ViewSonic Optiquest Series Q19wb Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824116014
$189.99


Subtotal: $430.95
Shipping: $17.42
Total: $448.37
-$40 MIR for Viewsonic LCD
-$10 MIR for 1GB Patriot DDR2 800
=$398.37 AR w/shipping

Not bad, EH!? And we're gonna hopefully sell his 2.4 celeron with monitor to a friend for $125ish... full system.
.


No links? Ya dirty noob! :-/ :p

[Cisco Kid]

not to hijack thread at all but can anyone recommend a decent cheap 775 matx board allowing me to just replace the P4M800Pro-M I am using which is agp,something that will allow more o/c and uses pci-e

[funnyperson1]

Nice pc for your bro. I am only willing to give up the E6300 since I have one in my desktop and the mini is my sons/wifes pc and since it is AGP and can only clock to 2.1 I figure the AM2 overall will be faster at 2.7-2.8, I can prolly sell the 6300 and board for more than the 3600 and Biostar board, plus flog the AGP 850 and use the XFX 6800XT Extreme. I guess it is also the tinkering aspect and then I have 1 of each in the house but I kinda wonder if it is worth it even though it will be less... Hmm the nice DDR2 would work nice on AM2, tuff decision, would you guys do it or just look for a better C2Duo board??


Well a C2D at 2.1 will get whipped by a Brisbane at 2.8-3 for sure. At 3ghz the AM2 X2s are competitive with the E6600.

If you need mATX its tough, especially with the E6300, I haven't heard about any decent mATX 775 boards, but then again you only need like 400fsb or so to be able outclass any Brisbane based system.

Financially it depends on how much you can get for the E6300, it sounds like you could almost get enough for cpu, mobo, and video card to buy the biostar/x2 combo and 2gb of ram.

These definitely are fun systems to play around with, I just hit 3ghz with my X2 today :).

Those Rosewill PSUs are a gamble, some of them are made by decent OEMs, and some are made by bad ones.

[Cisco Kid]

Well a C2D at 2.1 will get whipped by a Brisbane at 2.8-3 for sure. At 3ghz the AM2 X2s are competitive with the E6600.

If you need mATX its tough, especially with the E6300, I haven't heard about any decent mATX 775 boards, but then again you only need like 400fsb or so to be able outclass any Brisbane based system.

Financially it depends on how much you can get for the E6300, it sounds like you could almost get enough for cpu, mobo, and video card to buy the biostar/x2 combo and 2gb of ram.

These definitely are fun systems to play around with, I just hit 3ghz with my X2 today :).

Those Rosewill PSUs are a gamble, some of them are made by decent OEMs, and some are made by bad ones.

Thanks for feedback, I came across the E6300/ECS/ATI X850 AGP & OCZ Gold XTC PC2-6400 2GB cause a buddy traded me flat across for a Foxconn S939 matx w 6150 board, a 3500+ that ran 2.7 on the board and a XFX 6800 Xtreme plus 4x512 DDR. He now says he would take back the 850 AGP and use in his Soltek mini, I could keep the 6800XT.

This leaves me with option of selling the 6300 and ESC board and buying the 3600 and Biostar board, probaly get me 25 bux into gas tank on top since I can sell the combo here for 225 cnd and buy the 3600/board for 200 after exchange and duty. Consensus seem to say the Brisbane system will fly compared to 2.1 where I am stuck right now

[g0dM@n]

I never knew that a brisbane at 3.0ghz was much faster than a ~2.0 core2... shows how little I know w/these new gen CPUs...

[funnyperson1]

The X2s seem to need a 4-500 mhz handicap, but thats about it (depending on application of course).

[doublejack]

It depends on what you're doing, but an x2 running ~3GHz is anywhere from say 5% to 30% faster than a C2D ~2.2GHz. For backup you can check the CPU charts over at Tom's Hardware.

[g0dM@n]

again, i'd no idea how good the brisbane were... so many ppl knocked down the whole AM2 thing at the start of it... i guess they just do well coupled with some good ddr2 ram? in any case, i paid a few extra bucks to get the ddr2 800 ram rather than the 533 or 667... i know the ram i got is listed as ddr2 800 5-5-5, but i only bought ONE stick... i'm not running dual-channel...

i coulda bought 2x512 667 for about the same price, but i figured 1x1gb ddr2 800 would be comparable to it... plus since the biostar board i have has only TWO dimm slots, i figured another 1gb stick would be easy to add later on in the future.

[Cisco Kid]

The X2s seem to need a 4-500 mhz handicap, but thats about it (depending on application of course).

I am so close to pulling the trigger, funnyperson1 is the Tforce 550 identical to the version with onboard I just wanna confirm that these are basically the same boards , except one does not have onboard video? I am either gonna do an Am2 build , had a M2N32-SLI in past it was great or just replace my 775board with the new Abit

Anyone got feedback on the second link as an option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027 $75
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138029 $63

My other choice is to keep my 6300 and get about a 2.8 overclock out of it with Abit Fatality F-I90HD LGA 775 mAtx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127023

thoughts? the AM2 combo is just a damn good price ....wtf to do

[funnyperson1]

Actually they're completely different. The TForce550 is based on the NForce550 chipset, is full ATX, and overclocks a little bit better.

The TForce6100 is based on the Nforce4 6100 chipset with integrated graphics, HTT seems to top out around 300, but its probably the best overclocking mATX board.

There is a revision of the Geforce6100 that is just a TForce with electrolytic caps instead of solld, but the early revisions had a different layout and I am not sure that you can use the TForce bios (otherwise the Geforce6100 doesn't have many ocing options).

There is no question that at 2.8ghz that E6300 would outperform any overclock you can get out of the Brisbane (you would need 3.3-3.4 out the Brisbane to match it). If that Abit board can do 400+ FSB, then that is the better performance choice.

After you sell your stuff the X2 will be cheaper, its up to you to decide which is the better value.

[Cisco Kid]

Actually they're completely different. The TForce550 is based on the NForce550 chipset, is full ATX, and overclocks a little bit better.

The TForce6100 is based on the Nforce4 6100 chipset with integrated graphics, HTT seems to top out around 300, but its probably the best overclocking mATX board.

There is a revision of the Geforce6100 that is just a TForce with electrolytic caps instead of solld, but the early revisions had a different layout and I am not sure that you can use the TForce bios (otherwise the Geforce6100 doesn't have many ocing options).

There is no question that at 2.8ghz that E6300 would outperform any overclock you can get out of the Brisbane (you would need 3.3-3.4 out the Brisbane to match it). If that Abit board can do 400+ FSB, then that is the better performance choice.

After you sell your stuff the X2 will be cheaper, its up to you to decide which is the better value.

thanks I clarified things now lol, the Abit board is hitting 370fsb currently, I would like 400 but in a matx case think I will have heat issues with a 6800XT.....Will read a bit more and go from there.

[Cisco Kid]

can anyone comment on this 690 Biostar board as it is very feature rich and the price is imho very very good at zzf
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=249027
Add a newegg 3600+ on, I think this may be a very good option for the additional features ddr3 support/ hdmi /45nm/ and so on
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CeBIT_2007/Biostar/images/biostar1.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CeBIT_2007/Biostar

[funnyperson1]

The only actual review I saw that overclocked it said they couldn't get 5HTT over, I would hold off on that board until there was some more experience with it. It does look like it could be a nice choice if that review was just an anomaly.

[resoluteK]

pairing the 3600+ with this board might be fun - I'm thinking about it..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188016

free shipping code: EMC403FA630 (must be subscribed to newsletter)

[g0dM@n]

i'm tempted to buy myself a brisbane now... lol... and we all know i don't need it!!!

it's okay... i'm excited to play with it for my brother's build... wonder how the Biostar 6100 mATX w/onboard vid is gonna pan out...

[Cisco Kid]

pairing the 3600+ with this board might be fun - I'm thinking about it..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188016

free shipping code: EMC403FA630 (must be subscribed to newsletter)

personally before I would go and drop another 35-40 I would go with the Biostar

[Vengance_01]

Cisco why do you want a MATX? Are you getting one just because? If so I don't recomend it at all. Cooling sucks, choices of cases suck, and overall not very pratical.

[g0dM@n]

Cisco why do you want a MATX? Are you getting one just because? If so I don't recomend it at all. Cooling sucks, choices of cases suck, and overall not very pratical.
And I feel dumb myself for going with mATX... I was so stuck on the idea that I was gonna put it into my brother's existing case, but I ended up buying a whole new mid-tower... not only that, but I wanted onboard video...

What good boards with onboard video were there? I may return and rebuy...

[Cisco Kid]

Cisco why do you want a MATX? Are you getting one just because? If so I don't recomend it at all. Cooling sucks, choices of cases suck, and overall not very pratical.

I have no choice as thats what the case is, system is a second one used by wife and son just gotta find the right board

[funnyperson1]

And I feel dumb myself for going with mATX... I was so stuck on the idea that I was gonna put it into my brother's existing case, but I ended up buying a whole new mid-tower... not only that, but I wanted onboard video...

What good boards with onboard video were there? I may return and rebuy...

Thats the thing though, there aren't many ATX boards out there with integrated graphics.

If you want integrated graphics, you get an mATX board, and the Biostar TForce6100 is probably the best Socket AM2 board with integrated graphics. There is also the Abit NF2 nView (also mATX), but from what I have read its very quirky when overclocking.

ATX boards and systems are better choices, but only for mid-high performance machines, If you don't need a discrete graphics card, you won't need a full size board.

[g0dM@n]

Thats the thing though, there aren't many ATX boards out there with integrated graphics.

If you want integrated graphics, you get an mATX board, and the Biostar TForce6100 is probably the best Socket AM2 board with integrated graphics. There is also the Abit NF2 nView (also mATX), but from what I have read its very quirky when overclocking.

ATX boards and systems are better choices, but only for mid-high performance machines, If you don't need a discrete graphics card, you won't need a full size board.
What if you want to be cheap and want onboard video anyway (since it's such a great savings for someone that doesn't game), but don't need mATX? I guess there's not much of a demand, and it's cheaper for manufacturer's to not engineer a non-mATX onboard mobo in addition to a mATX with onboard.

[funnyperson1]

Still doesn't really make sense since you can always just use the mATX board in an ATX case. With no external video card you have two PCIE expansion slots and two PCI slots, (although 2 SATA ports is a bit dissapointing on the TForce) so what benefit is there to be earned with a full ATX board?

[g0dM@n]

just got the parts in!!

does anyone know if a s939 cooler will fit on this? cuz if not, then i'm a ****** and need to order a new cooler... it's just that i have two spare s939 heatsinks (one stock single-core heatsink and also the AC Freezer 64 pro)

[funnyperson1]

Both will fit fine, the only heatsinks that don't fit are the ones that mount using 939 backplate. Anything that clips on should be fine.

[krag]

just got the parts in!!

does anyone know if a s939 cooler will fit on this? cuz if not, then i'm a ****** and need to order a new cooler... it's just that i have two spare s939 heatsinks (one stock single-core heatsink and also the AC Freezer 64 pro)

AM2 has as single lug on each side of the socket. see if you can make it work by fitting the lug in the middle hole of the AMD HSF. It should work, you'll just have a empty hole on ether side of the lug. Thats what I plan to do with a AM2 build I am int he middle of...just waiting for the HSF.

[g0dM@n]

AM2 has as single lug on each side of the socket. see if you can make it work by fitting the lug in the middle hole of the AMD HSF. It should work, you'll just have a empty hole on ether side of the lug. Thats what I plan to do with a AM2 build I am int he middle of...just waiting for the HSF.
worked out very easily.

alright guys... this board is driving me up the wall... i CANNOT BREAK 230mhz fsb for the life of me... and now i can't even break 225... also the cpu temp says 8-9c idle and 13c load WTF!

what happens is that when i set the board to 225+ in bios, save, and exit, it goes black for a while then wants to load defaults... if i hit F1, it'll load 200mhz bus... or i can hit DEL and try a diff cpu clock setting.

so the board has some safety feature where it automatically resets to defaults when it cant boot.

i'm guessing it has to do with the HTT being too high... there's no LDT (htt) multiplier like i have with s939... is this normal?

this is the board i have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138036

i'm not happy at all with a steady fsb overclock of ~220fsb... that's VERY weak.

also, the LAN port keeps going out... it SOMETIMES works after a reboot, but it's really flaky. i have to RMA this board anyway b/c of that...

so my question is... is there a way to change HTT multi to like 4x that i just can't see (looked all over)... maybe there's a bios unlock option like on the old MSI Neo2 s939 agp boards lol.
either that, or i may have to go with a diff board... i really want onboard video to save me cash... i've spent much more than i expected for my brother's bday.

thinking about this board, but some neweggers reviewed low (and some very high):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034

or anything else with onboard video but can OC well???

thx

[noobtech]

worked out very easily.

alright guys... this board is driving me up the wall... i CANNOT BREAK 230mhz fsb for the life of me... and now i can't even break 225... also the cpu temp says 8-9c idle and 13c load WTF!

what happens is that when i set the board to 225+ in bios, save, and exit, it goes black for a while then wants to load defaults... if i hit F1, it'll load 200mhz bus... or i can hit DEL and try a diff cpu clock setting.

so the board has some safety feature where it automatically resets to defaults when it cant boot.

i'm guessing it has to do with the HTT being too high... there's no LDT (htt) multiplier like i have with s939... is this normal?

this is the board i have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138036

i'm not happy at all with a steady fsb overclock of ~220fsb... that's VERY weak.

also, the LAN port keeps going out... it SOMETIMES works after a reboot, but it's really flaky. i have to RMA this board anyway b/c of that...

so my question is... is there a way to change HTT multi to like 4x that i just can't see (looked all over)... maybe there's a bios unlock option like on the old MSI Neo2 s939 agp boards lol.
either that, or i may have to go with a diff board... i really want onboard video to save me cash... i've spent much more than i expected for my brother's bday.

thinking about this board, but some neweggers reviewed low (and some very high):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034

or anything else with onboard video but can OC well???

thx

A lot of people like that tforce board when it was a combo deal with the 3600+... People are hitting 2.8-3.1 stable... I have my brisbane at 2.8 stable with 1.3v on an asus m2n-deluxe board... but everything is out of wack.

I've been thinking of getting that biostar for HTPC... since it has that onboard video & stuff...

If I could do it all over again, I would have bought the Tforce combo, but I didn't get oem... I got the retail pkg. :-(

[funnyperson1]

The TForce board that was a combo with the 3600+ is the 550, different board, and slightly better overclocker from what I understand.

I believe the bios features on the board you have are castrated on purpose so that overclockers would buy the TForce board. If you wanted to take a risk your could probably flash it with the TForce bios (only recommended if you have a spare bios chip or a BiosSaver).

For SocketAM2, integrated graphics, and mATX the TForce6100-AM2 is the best choice that I know of, it should hit 300+HTT from the examples I have seen.

I don't trust Newegg reviews personally, most of the reviewers are idiots.

[g0dM@n]

The TForce board that was a combo with the 3600+ is the 550, different board, and slightly better overclocker from what I understand.

I believe the bios features on the board you have are castrated on purpose so that overclockers would buy the TForce board. If you wanted to take a risk your could probably flash it with the TForce bios (only recommended if you have a spare bios chip or a BiosSaver).

For SocketAM2, integrated graphics, and mATX the TForce6100-AM2 is the best choice that I know of, it should hit 300+HTT from the examples I have seen.

I don't trust Newegg reviews personally, most of the reviewers are idiots.
I'm gonna call NewEgg in 45min (phones are up at 8am PST, 11am my time), and see if they'll cover the shipping and do an exchange of some sort with the tforce:
this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027) board, right?

not sure if i mentioned, but on top of the LAN port not working on the current board i have, i had also received my ATX case COMPLETELY SMASHED UP!! I'm gonna make sure they pay for shipping back to them cuz paying to ship a case from NY to CA is going to offset the savings I had for buying this cheapo Rosewill case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811147057)!!

[doublejack]

I'm gonna call NewEgg in 45min (phones are up at 8am PST, 11am my time), and see if they'll cover the shipping and do an exchange of some sort with the tforce:
this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027) board, right?

not sure if i mentioned, but on top of the LAN port not working on the current board i have, i had also received my ATX case COMPLETELY SMASHED UP!! I'm gonna make sure they pay for shipping back to them cuz paying to ship a case from NY to CA is going to offset the savings I had for buying this cheapo Rosewill case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811147057)!!

Yeah, that's the 6100 based board you want - the TForce. The one you purchased isn't an overclocker, as you've experienced. The TForce will do 250-300+ fsb. I have one. It has lots of voltage options, memtest built into the bios, and there is a moded bios you can download.

[nvydis]

just ordered mine.

with/
TForce 6100
2X512mb Patriot Extreme DDR2 800 (will get another set depending on how it performs OC)
Arctic Freezer 64 Pro
Seagate 320GB SATAII
Samsung 18X DVD-RW
MATX Case with 350W PSU (dual +12V rails @ 18A / 85% eff.)
GForce 7300GS PCIe (for dual monitor setup)

all for under $500. hows that sound?

[g0dM@n]

just ordered mine.

with/
TForce 6100
2X512mb Patriot Extreme DDR2 800 (will get another set depending on how it performs OC)
Arctic Freezer 64 Pro
Seagate 320GB SATAII
Samsung 18X DVD-RW
MATX Case with 350W PSU (dual +12V rails @ 18A / 85% eff.)
GForce 7300GS PCIe (for dual monitor setup)

all for under $500. hows that sound?
i got the same board and chip too... i spent HOURS on it... kinda got it figured out. also, i'm using 1x1gb ddr2-800 patriot 5-5-5-16 (wish i got 2x512)

you're gonna want to FLASH the bios... it helped me go much higher. i got mine up to these settings:

285fsb x 9.5 = ~2700mhz
Ram divider 533 = 385mhz 4-4-4-11-14
vcore = 1.30v stock
ram = 2.2v (used the jumper on the board to get 2.2v)

12+ hours Orthos Stress Prime stable!! :)

also, be very careful on which HT multi you use... I set mine to 3x multi, thinking that as long as my HTT was at 1000mhz or less (meaning nothing higher than 333mhz fsb) that i would be fine... well, i was wrong. my board can't break 270fsb with 3x multi, but boy did i get to 285fsb with 4x multi!!! also, 2.5x multi worked for me, but ended up acting as 2.0x... so yeah, i'm at 4x285 = 1140mhz htt!!

check out the bioses here:
http://lejabeach.com/Biostar/6100-AM2/6100AM2bios.html