Off Topic Car Question

[leelegend]

i know this is the folding forum, but i dont use much of the rest of the board :confused:

I am thinking of chopping my BMW M3 in for a 07 Ford Mustang GT...:eek:

this may not sound like a huge deal to you good american folks, but they dont sell the mustang over in the UK, and it would mean importing one.

does anyone have any experience/opinions on this car?

i would really appretiate any feed back

cheers
lee

[ChasR]

Being a BMW nut myself, I can't imagine replacing a car as nice as the M3 with one that doesn't even have an independent rear suspension. However, they're very popular over here and you will have great exclusivity across the pond with the Mustang. You'll find it overly large and heavy relative to it's interior size (5cm wider, 25cm longer and 50Kg heavier than your M3).

Spend a few more $ (too lazy to find symbol for pounds) and get a Corvette if you want an American car of the same caliber as your M3.

[Xenocide]

Being both a bmw and a mustang nut (I currently have a mustang) i would consider you insane to make that trade. M3's are a league of their own.

but its two different things. If you want a notably rougher ride, louder exhaust and sloppier machine get the mustang. Not saying they are bad cars, but thats what a mustang is all about, It still puts that huge smile on your face.

M3's as you probably know are the more refined smooth driving machines with the power that you don't expect till you put your foot down.

Oh and don't even expect the mustang to come close to the same handling, as ChasR stated the suspension technologies in Mustang is BEYOND old.

[Shelnutt2]

I'd trade it for an El Camino. I mean who wouldn't want a truck on a car body?

:santa:


BMW M3 gets me vote.

[Macaholic]

Mustang is all about MUSCLE, speed, and styling. Always has been, always will be. Just be sure to get one that folds. As in convertible. Mine is a little old (http://homepage.mac.com/macaholicg5/PhotoAlbum7.html), but it folds just fine. Car show season is about to begin! ;)

[Hack30]

@ Mac

Nice 'stang Mac!! You must win a lot of ribbons with that beauty.

@ Lee

Stay with the M3 (.02 cents)

[ihrsetrdr]

@ Mac

Nice 'stang Mac!! You must win a lot of ribbons with that beauty.

@ Lee

Stay with the M3 (.02 cents)



-what Hack said!





Trading a Beemer for a Ford is like trading...well, like trading a Beemer for a Ford! :eek:






;)

[Xenocide]

"Bimmer"


The term "beemer" started as an acronym for the abbreviation "BMW," adapted from the early-20th century British pronunciation of BSA (as "beeser" or "beezer"), whose motorcycles were often racing BMWs. Over time, the term became closely associated with BMW motorcycles.

The term "bimmer" was later coined to refer (exclusively) to BMW automobiles. As such, use of the word "beemer" to refer to a BMW automobile is frowned upon by some BMW enthusiasts, because it is the term used for motorcycles

-Wikipedia

[LandShark]

I'm a Bimmer guy since my first car! and I will say "you are nutz!" if you are trading in a M3 to a Mustang! the material, fit and finish, refine, speed, and especially handling, the E46 M3 is years ahead of a Mustang! even at the track, the Mustang can't even compare to the M3s!

however, for very little $, you could have some nice HP for the Mustang tho!

if you do want to try out some american muscle, I would suggest "at least" get a cobra, gt500 or a vette (z06 would be totally another story tho!).

[shellshock]

You would be a fool to replace a BMW with a Ford

Stay away from that rubbish, If you want a muscle car, at least get a vette

Better yet, stay far away from any American car period. :p

I used to own an American car, and thats all my parents drive. Whatever floats your boat I guess, but I find European cars to be MILES better than American stuff. I will never own an American car again. European ftw

[sno.lcn]

Keep the bimmer, I'm about to buy another one myself ;)

[Xenocide]

As i said, they are completely different machines.

The reason while i'm partial to mustangs is that there is nothing better than just blipping the throttle and hearing the rumble, its something that European cars can't replicate. Even if you have an exhaust on an m3 its just not the same rumble.

[davekusa]

I work at a Ford dealer and I've worked on beamers. Apples and oranges.
I'm wasn't really impressed with the beamer. The one I had to fix was for a friend of a friend. He had gotten an estimate of 5000 dollars for some suspension work and a coolant leak.
Ford might be found on road dead, but BMW means breaks most wallets.

Mustang had IRS (independent rear suspesnion) 99-03 and it sucked. That's why they went back to the straight axle in the rear.

The only real down side to the new mustang is that it's a fat heavy pig. 3900 Lbs.

I'm a ford guy so I have a biased opinion to the Mustang. If I could afford one I would be driving a Shelby right now!

[Xenocide]

Mustang had IRS (independent rear suspesnion) 99-03 and it sucked.

wrong. Only the cobras from 99, and 01, 03-04 did

None of the v6 OR GT mustangs from 1964-2004 ever had independent rear suspensions and i am pretty sure the new ones do not either.

The IRS system in the cobra was not "bad" but it was not good for straight line acceleration. It was also not as robust, but it did help in the cornering, quite a bit.

[pscout]

sheesh, now what should is spend my next $ on ... another fleet of quads or replacing my roadmaster wagon with one of these puppies (the wagon does have a nice vette lt1 in it and can haul my 5000lb boat) :shrug:

[leelegend]

all good points.....let me explain more.

7 years ago, i got myself a Mistsibushi Evolution 6 Tommi Mak, and had the most fun with a car in my life.....i tuned the thing to almost 370bhp (from a 2litre turbo enging), and the thing done 0-60 in 4.3 seconds....it was fast and it handled (4 wheel drive)....

i then grew up a little bit and got the M3....a superb car in its own right, BUT and its a HUGE BUT.....its NO FUN, it is proficient in everything you ask of it, it can drive hundreds of miles and you get out of it fresh as a daisy, when you want speed it is fast, but ask me if i smile in it.....NO.....its a superb car, but i dont look forward to getting into it.

Also....the M3 is a very common car over here.....the mustang would be VERY RARE.

The EVO, as a beast (you guys are now getting the evo 8 & 9), it is fun, with the right exhaust etc, it is loud.

i want some of the fun back.....is the mustang the way to go?

lee

[Xenocide]

you sound like a good candidate for the mustang.

I'm just warning you though, it is a sloppy sloppy feeling car. Atleast with mine, there is so much play in the wheel. I don't think the 07 is drive by wire, like your M3 is. You might not like it at first. Not going to be as quick as the M3 from a roll. Faster from a dig. But a nice exhaust on there, intake and a chip you should make some decent power. Obviously there is tons more power to be made by digging into the engine (as with any car)

[leelegend]

apparently i can get 340bhp with a induction kit and a remap...
i was looking at the Roush(?) exhaust kit to add from scratch to give the V8 some noise :)

lee

[William Hung]

Ford... crappy reliabilty. I've owned 2 and will never buy another. Infiniti on the other hand. I plan on buying them from now on. So long as they keep their cars pretty and fast.
I'd get an Evo 8 or 9. Or maybe a Lotus Elise or Exige. I know you have those over there!

[Xenocide]

Roush exhaust is quite overpriced.

I say look for a flowmaster setup, OR, just get yourself a set of headers and have an exhaust shop do the rest from scratch

[leelegend]

dont forget, that this car is not even for sale over here so getting a "flowmaster" is not really a option...sadly :)

waiting for the evo 10 (import from japan, when available), is a option, but again, the quality is still way down from the BMW.....

Lotus is a sweet handling car, but for driving into London 3 days a week would be hell on earth :)

lee

[zim01]

dont forget, that this car is not even for sale over here so getting a "flowmaster" is not really a option...sadly :)

waiting for the evo 10 (import from japan, when available), is a option, but again, the quality is still way down from the BMW.....

Lotus is a sweet handling car, but for driving into London 3 days a week would be hell on earth :)

lee

keep the car trade-in pscout to position 5......now you've really got a lean mean folding machine, that will excite you everytime you look back,not to mention him never getting over your tire tracks:eek: :eek: :)

[Xenocide]

you can always get someone from the US to ship a set to you. would EASILY be cheaper than roush!

flow master mufflers aren't heavy either shipping will not be that bad!

[dwschoon]

Ive always been a camaro fan myself. Hopefully the new one will be good when it comes out. I like the gto and the new vette's are sweet.

[orionlion82]

youre in europe and havnt considered the Focus ST?

spend the money on that instead of importing a mustang.
(we cant get those here)


http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/foc_c307/foc_c307_experience/foc_st_microsite/-/-/-/-


basically 10 more HP than a base mustang.

[davekusa]

Xenocide, you are correct the cobras were the only IRS.
Yes, when I said sucked I ment straight line. (us silly americans)

The superchaged cobra's have a smile factor of 9. Can't help it, when I drive one it makes me smile.

IMO flow masters are too loud and resonate too much.
IMO Roush = JUNK.

I had flowmasters on my mustang and took them off. Made my head hurt just driving it.

Bassini makes a trick stainless exhaust that has inserts you can pull out for perfomance and put then back in for the mild rumble.

[leelegend]

The Focus ST is no way more HP than the mustang....
we have the ST already, and they are not really considered as performance cars, more of a hot hatch.....a RS Focus would be a different story :)

lee

[silent bob]

look into a charger with the SRT package they are numbered cars here so they are even rare here in teh USA just a thought . I have not driven one yet but I want to , well I dont have enuff credit to get an SRTbut I do wanna drive the regular CHarger RT with the 6.1 liter Hemi

[psyshack]

Just dont let your wife or girl friend drive it. I went out to wash and detail the wifes Accord and lost it on her. 05 Accord looks like it been in a demo derby. I verb. abused her in the front yard. She left.... I hope she dosent come back. She has ruined ever car she has ever driven. If she does come back this evening Im going to abuse her with words even more... Ive warned her,,, not to come back while Im at the house via her cell phone.

You do what you want concering your M3 or American Iron.... There is a reason why Mustang has been around for so long. And for those that like the BMW. Remember a live axel Mustang has taught BMW a thing or two over the years on road course's. I would have a Stang over a beamer any day of the week.... My brother got rid of his 3 and 5 and 7 series BMWs for Acuras cause they couldnt go buy a dealer without fliping on the CEL light.

psy

[benbaked]

i know this is the folding forum, but i dont use much of the rest of the board :confused:


There is a General Discussion (http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=123) subforum for these types of threads lee. :beer:

That being said, I personally would keep the M3 but you seem as if already decided on a Ford.

Custom fit a PC into whatever car you get so you can fold while you drive.

[leelegend]

not decided either way....it is going to be a pain in the arse to import, but i LOVE the looks of the stang...

lee

[damarble]

I'm biased toward American cars (but I only ride metric bikes lol) for no apparent reason, so of course I would go with the Mustang. It really is a hot looking car. Why not go with the GT or whatever it is that has something like 500hp stock? :D


look into a charger with the SRT package they are numbered cars here so they are even rare here in teh USA just a thought . I have not driven one yet but I want to , well I dont have enuff credit to get an SRTbut I do wanna drive the regular CHarger RT with the 6.1 liter Hemi

The Charger had so much potential, but 4 doors and auto tranny FTL. I'm through with Dodge anyway, not impressed with the reliability (or lack thereof) of their engines.

[Misfit138]

look into a charger with the SRT package they are numbered cars here so they are even rare here in teh USA just a thought . I have not driven one yet but I want to , well I dont have enuff credit to get an SRTbut I do wanna drive the regular CHarger RT with the 6.1 liter Hemi


I agree. Mustangs are a dime a dozen, and you will get a much more exclusive car and anything with the "hemi" badge is just worth owning, if for legacy alone.:beer:
The 6.1 hemiCharger sounds more like it is what you are looking for; a real muscle-bound American muscle car.

[@md0Cer]

Ford... crappy reliabilty. I've owned 2 and will never buy another. Infiniti on the other hand. I plan on buying them from now on. So long as they keep their cars pretty and fast.
I'd get an Evo 8 or 9. Or maybe a Lotus Elise or Exige. I know you have those over there!


Might I ask which two Ford's you owned? I have a Ford that is incredibly well built, and I really can't see it even coming close to having problems anytime soon.

EDIT: Also, I know the Folding section is kindof a community in its own, but this is still one site, and the general discussion section would be much better suited for this type of thing.

[Xenocide]

I had flowmasters on my mustang and took them off. Made my head hurt just driving it.

Bassini makes a trick stainless exhaust that has inserts you can pull out for perfomance and put then back in for the mild rumble.

Bassani makes some VERY high-quality products and i would DEFINATLY buy them if....i could afford them.

My exhaust is just a custom fabbed one with $19 jegs flowmaster rip offs and i get compliments on it everywhere i go. Not the greatest exhaust setup, but for the price i couldn't go wrong.

[Spion]

Check out the Pontiac GTO. That may be what you're looking for.

[psyshack]

I for one dont care what a folding member wants to chat about in our little part of OCF. It can get overly dry in here 99% of the time.

psy

[orionlion82]

The Focus ST is no way more HP than the mustang....
we have the ST already, and they are not really considered as performance cars, more of a hot hatch.....a RS Focus would be a different story :)

lee

The one shown here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpqw2EdDxEg) might be a different story as well.

first generation. US 06. makes porches, vettes, and even a 5.0 stang... a sight in the rearview. im quite surprised at your point of view, but ima focus guy, so i can admit the bias... :beer:

[deadlysyn]

The Flowmaster has to be my favorite muffler. I have a 40 series on my 97 Dakota with a 318. I think I would personally go for the Z06 Vette. That and the fact that I had a 5.0 GT convertible and had nothing but problems with it from the get go. Since the day I sold that car, I swore to myself I would never buy another Ford, and have stuck to it well. I have owned Chevy and Dodge, and love them both.

I also have to agree with Psy, it can get a little overly dry in here at times. But at the same time, I don't think I have seen a Mustang or any car without a Carputer that can fold 24/7.

[cw823]

The Flowmaster has to be my favorite muffler. I have a 40 series on my 97 Dakota with a 318. I think I would personally go for the Z06 Vette. That and the fact that I had a 5.0 GT convertible and had nothing but problems with it from the get go. Since the day I sold that car, I swore to myself I would never buy another Ford, and have stuck to it well. I have owned Chevy and Dodge, and love them both.

I also have to agree with Psy, it can get a little overly dry in here at times. But at the same time, I don't think I have seen a Mustang or any car without a Carputer that can fold 24/7.

I agree on the flowmaster.

This thread makes me laugh. Some of you have owned one or two cars of a specific brand, and you write the entire brand off due to your own experiences. Wait, Ford only made two cars, and you got them both, right?

This is personal preference, not objective decision making.

That said, I own a Jeep and a VW. I have recently put almost $900 in each car ($1800 total). I could complain and call it crappy workmanship, but the reality is, once cars reach a certain age.....things WILL go wrong. My VW is a PITA to work on....closest dealer is an hour ago. But it's a neat car.....the Germans did it right. Though, one must wonder why KKK is on their turbochargers. :confused:

Get the rustang. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING....sounds like a Mustang (and I've owned several. Now if I could just get the Vette to sound like a mustang.....)

[William Hung]

Owned a '94 GT and a '98 GT. Thought I had a "lemon" after AC went out, then power steering, then radiator, then second AC unit, then starter, then head gasket....all under 80k total miles, and I don't abuse my cars.

'98 GT... A/C unit, master brake cylinder, power doors locks, then I traded it in on a nice, shiny '99 Infiniti G20. Haven't had a single problem since. And I'm now at 140k. Eyeing the G35 coupe. My bro has one and it's a SWEET ride.

But back to topic. With the new body and supposed revamp on the latest model, you may get lucky and avoid all the problems I had. I certainly hope so, as you would be a LONG way from a repair shop equipped to deal with one!

[Tyranos]

My sister has a 95 Ford Explorer with almost 300k miles on it. So far the only things that have gone bad were the fuel pump, and the check engine light that comes on all the time. I think that is doing pretty damn good. Prior to that, my family had an Explorer from the first model year. They put 200k miles on it without a problem.

Speaking of Mustang GT's, my old roommate used to have a '95 GT. He treated that thing like a toilet, usually only changed the oil once every year or two, drove it like ****, hit MY car (miata at the time) with it, never got any maintenance done on it at all. It had a few hundred thousand miles on it. It lasted years before dying.

[funnyperson1]

You would be a fool to replace a BMW with a Ford

Stay away from that rubbish, If you want a muscle car, at least get a vette

Better yet, stay far away from any American car period. :p

I used to own an American car, and thats all my parents drive. Whatever floats your boat I guess, but I find European cars to be MILES better than American stuff. I will never own an American car again. European ftw

The irony here of course is that Volvo is owned by Ford. In fact the European Focus and the S40 are based on the same platform.

My family owns two Explorers (170k, 95k miles) and a Benz (20k miles), and the Benz has already had to go in the shop several more times than both Explorers combined did in the first 100k miles (not counting routine maintenance of course).

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Ford, but as with any car purchase I would do my research first and make sure that its a good car.

[jws2346]

I for one dont care what a folding member wants to chat about in our little part of OCF. It can get overly dry in here 99% of the time.

psy

I don't think the other person (also a folding member) was criticizing the choice of topic, I think the individual was simply stating that this was a folding forum, for questions about folding and there is probably a more proper venue for questions concerning automobiles. I for one could give a sh*t if someone's discussing automobiles, if I was really interested in cars I would go to a automobile forum, the members there would probably know a lot more about cars then a folding forum. The reason I say that is I am trying to learn about folding and, living in the city most of my life, I haven't owned a car in 20+ years.(I can honestly say I don't want a car either)

[leelegend]

I for one dont care what a folding member wants to chat about in our little part of OCF. It can get overly dry in here 99% of the time.

psy


Thanks mate......my god there are some up-tight people about.
i only posted here, because its the only place i go to, where there are a lot of friendly americans in one place.

Mods....if you want to move it then do :rolleyes:

lee

[jws2346]

Thanks mate......my god there are some up-tight people about.
i only posted here, because its the only place i go to, where there are a lot of friendly americans in one place.

Mods....if you want to move it then do :rolleyes:

lee

What I said had absolutely nothing to do with being uptight (whatever that is) it has to do with if I want to buy a new Chevy I'm not going to go to a Ford dealer Like I said I could give a sh*t less if someone wants to discuss cars on a folding forum :shrug: , there are plenty of other folding forums :p

Edit I was just trying to point out the other OP was a folding member also and some of us on this forum are interested in learning about folding . not automobiles

[leelegend]

wasnt aiming it at you....

[jws2346]

wasnt aiming it at you....

My bad, I apologize.

[shellshock]

The irony here of course is that Volvo is owned by Ford. In fact the European Focus and the S40 are based on the same platform.

My family owns two Explorers (170k, 95k miles) and a Benz (20k miles), and the Benz has already had to go in the shop several more times than both Explorers combined did in the first 100k miles (not counting routine maintenance of course).

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Ford, but as with any car purchase I would do my research first and make sure that its a good car.

Very true. But the Volvo I'm driving has nothing to do with Ford. It was built before Ford bought out Volvo
(1995 940 Turbo Estate)
Remember, if its not Fwd, its not Ford :)

My friends Volvo 240 has 394k on the original motor and tranny. Its the non turbo B230, and I can still light the tires. Still runs like a champ.

If I remember correctly, Volvo still holds the world record for the car with the most miles on it

[dwschoon]

Remember, if its not Fwd, its not Ford :)


My ranger would beg to differ. ;) It is a 99 with 153k miles on it and the only non maintenance thing ive ever had to do was replace the clutch(manual tranny), and the stocker lasted 110k. I agree with the above people about the sound of a mustang. There just isnt anything like it. I love the sound my 92 Z28 with a 5.7l has with the flowmaster 80 series, but I would like nothing better than to have the sound of a 5.0 stang with dual flowmaster 40's. Those shake the ground, esp if the exhaust is dumped under the car.

[funnyperson1]

My ranger would beg to differ. ;) It is a 99 with 153k miles on it and the only non maintenance thing ive ever had to do was replace the clutch(manual tranny), and the stocker lasted 110k. I agree with the above people about the sound of a mustang. There just isnt anything like it. I love the sound my 92 Z28 with a 5.7l has with the flowmaster 80 series, but I would like nothing better than to have the sound of a 5.0 stang with dual flowmaster 40's. Those shake the ground, esp if the exhaust is dumped under the car.

I think hes referring to the fact that after Ford bought out Volvo they switched them to FWD.

The old Volvos were very nice, those 280s are tanks.

[dz_jad]

Lee. If you need something shipped to ya from the US, I've got a 75% discount on FedEx shipping right now (employee). It'll be 'double', cause you would have to pay to have it shipped to me, and then whatever it costs to ship out to you, but I would be willing to do it. Send a PM if you ever need that, its always an option!
:beer: <- Root beer ;)

[Jon]

I believe I may be biting on an SRT8 in the next few months. It's got the best of both worlds, and having a small child, that's hard to come by. Big engine, looks, and 4-doors. I just wish the gas mileage didn't suck. I guess 20mpg highway for a 6.1L HEMI is to be expected though.

[jws2346]

I'm getting into this "car discussion" thing. Although I haven't had an automobile in a long time (I live in the city, they're a pain in the a$$) All I've every had was American iron like "big block" Chevs (at the time L2 blocks, 327, 427) and "Hemi" Chrysler meat( 426), I liked the Charger with the 383 also, even the 340 before they lowered the compression. As close as I come to a "beamer" automobile is when I came back from 'Nam, like a lot of vets, I got into motorcycles. I had a Harley, a 900 Kawasaki, a 61/2 Yamaha, a 850 Norton, I even had a couple of Hondas, a few others(like Susuki,etc) and I came close to getting a Moto Guzzi (at the time the "John Deer" of motorcycles) Anyway, on one of my jams to either the Talladega or Daytona bike races I was jamin' with a guy that had a BMW ( at the time the "Cadillac" of motorcycles) with a 61/2 gallon touring tank and I don't remember him ever needing gas, a chain tighten (drive shaft) or any other TLC. (we had a few "hogs", chops, and "rice burners) Between the BMW (Beemer), BSA (Beezer) or the Triump (Trumpet) I'd say the BMW was without a doubt the better touring machine. I think for dependability you couldn't beat a BMW (except maybe a Guzzi), but for performance (it's sad, but one year in at Taladaga the "Cow" took 1st and 2nd place:cry: ), class and general "good feeling" I don't think you could beat American iron (Harley D). Of course all this is pretty much "personal opinion" and that's my $0.02 cents worth. :D

Edit: Now I get to spend my little "chump change" on computers and folding. Can't wait until April 22nd :p

[Oric]

Lee answer this questions for me if you will...

Where do you love to play with your pavement burner, on the city street, or, out on the open road? (This can be different then where you play the most)

[brakezone]

I would test drive them. Try out the evolution and then a mustang. The evolution is much more like a race car than the mustang. The mustangs design philosophy is deeply traditional and geared towards american styles of racing. On the other hand, the evolution is extremely well rounded and efficient.

My last car was a 93 lincoln mark VIII. This thing is basically a 2 door coupe with an all-aluminum 4.6L 32-valve DOHC V8 all-aluminum. This thing would push 280 horsepower at 5500 RPM and was shelling out over 200 by the time you hit 3000. The timing and valvetrain was apparently setup to boost the power at 3500. This thing was fast and would smoke anything that wasn't bred for speed. Currently I have a lancer ralliart, which is more of an econo-sport car. I would go with an evolution over either of them any day. The new mustangs design kind of annoys me. Sure I like the mustangs of the 60's but I actually like the 1980's and early 1990's mustangs the best. One design I liked was the 1984 Capris. The new mustangs are nice but I like them less being tht they try to look like the 60's.

[benbaked]

Thanks mate......my god there are some up-tight people about.
i only posted here, because its the only place i go to, where there are a lot of friendly americans in one place.

Mods....if you want to move it then do

lee

wasnt aiming it at you....

Were you aiming at @md0cer and me because we were the only ones whom mentioned that there is a GD subforum? I don't think either of us were being uptight lee.

[silent bob]

imo I think because the forum is soooo big now, I dont like going into other sections either .

If I wanted an answer to a question other than folding I would prolly do the same . You get to know the people in certain sections , and actually become friends , and like most people , you value your friends opinions.

I still have to drive a Charger yet , but in USA a Charger is considered a sedan which is cheaper for insurance as opposed to a Coupe ( 2 door) . All of these thing have to be taken into consideration when buying a car now a days . imo

[davekusa]

warm and fuzzy

Group HUG!

[brakezone]

You could always keep it on topic by clever insertion of the off topic question~

HI i own a M3 and am considering a trade in for a mustang. Would a mustang save me lots and lots of money over the M3 and allow me to spend more on folding?

Does anybody have any experience with the 07 mustang GT?

I think the new mustangs are a throwback to the 60's mustangs. Personally I would rather they did not get so retro. As far as the engineering is concerned, I think that the new mustangs are probably of a higher quality than the previous designs. The engines produce a good amount of power and they do look nice despite what I say. Even though I would like them to look forward, I still think the retro design is cool. If these are the kinds of things which can help you better produce F@h work units, then I would also take that into consideration in the decision.