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wELL TOPIC IS MY QUESTION.
What makes the MP different than XP.
Thanks for any help or links that clear this up
minoukat
12-09-01, 08:45 AM
The MPs are for servers, they usually have more cache, cost alot more $$$ and are designed to be able to work in multiprocessor setups. I think XPs can work in multiprocessors systems, but AMD hasn't "announced" this
Here is why I ask this,AMD states the 760 series chipset notably the 762 north bridge chip provides dual processing capabilites to the athlon and duron line of processors.But i have not seen anybody setting up dual durons,athlons,or Xp's.
I have visited AMD and read a lot but cannot find any differences in the 2 processors other than a comment that the MP was specifically designed for dual processor systems.
minoukat
12-09-01, 09:14 AM
One of the problem with the Dual Processor motherboards is that they are pretty expensive ($300+ USD if I'm not wrong)
and there isn't a very big selection for desktop models either,
the only one i've seen is the Tyan one
Originally posted by minoukat
One of the problem with the Dual Processor motherboards is that they are pretty expensive ($300+ USD if I'm not wrong)
There are three motherboards to choose from. The Tyan tiger s2462 $225 basic dual motherboard. The Tyan thunder K7 s2462ng server motherboard $400... and the Tyan thunder K7 s2462ung server board with onboard scsi, lan, video $500.
Originally posted by minoukat
One of the problem with the Dual Processor motherboards is that they are pretty expensive ($300+ USD if I'm not wrong)
Of course they are expnisive. Most dual cpu motherboards are meant for server work and are loaded with features making them cost more.
Originally posted by diehrd
wELL TOPIC IS MY QUESTION.
What makes the MP different than XP.
Thanks for any help or links that clear this up
Well yes and no. The XP and MP are the same processors. The XP has smp enabled in the chip. The only noticble diferences are the MP comes factory unlocked and is guaranteed to run in SMP by AMD and cost about $80 more per chip than the XP. I have heard that the MP has Few more features but have only shown to improve benchmarks very little. I my self use the MP chips in dual but lots of people are using the XP chips. Realy its up to you. If you want to save money and take a risk the go for the XP but if you want to make sure you fully safe and have eveything a dual amd can offer and dont care about price go for the MP.
Originally posted by Mambo
and there isn't a very big selection for desktop models either,
the only one i've seen is the Tyan one
As of right now Tyan is the only dual AMD motherboard maker. Tyan has a deal with AMD that gave them the exclusive rights for about 4 months. Also Tyan has a great history of making dual boards. There are some new boards coming out at about january but i have a good feeling that it will take about a couple months after that till they have a stable board just like the tyan when it first came out.
THIS AMAZES ME,,,, I AM NOT ASKING A MOTHERBOARD QUESTION.
MOST ALL REPLYS ARE DEBATING THE TYPE AND COST OF MOTHERBOARD !!!
SORRY I CONFUSED YA ALL BUT I AM ASKING IF AN XP,OR DURON WILL WORK IN A DUAL PROCESSOR MOTHERBOARD.I AM AWARE TYAN IS THE ONLY CURRENT SELECTION AND I AM SO NOT CONCERNED ABOUT COST.WHICH BY THE WAY IS 197 +SHIPPING.
I AM PREPAIRED TO INVEST THE $700.00 FOR THE PROCESSORS AND BOARD BUT IF THE XP CHIP PERFORMS IN A DUAL SET UP I WOULD PREFER TO GET THE XP 1900. BECAUSE MP MAXES AT 1.53.
SO DOES ANY ONE KNOW IF THE XP WILL WORK IN A TYAN DUAL PROCESSOR BOARD ???? DOES ANYONE HAVE A DUAL XP SYSTEM.
DOES ANY ONE KNOW OF A SITE THAT HAS TRIED IT AND TESTED IT ??
Did you not read what i said above?
Originally posted by mEKbOY
Well yes and no. The XP and MP are the same processors. The XP has smp enabled in the chip. The only noticble diferences are the MP comes factory unlocked and is guaranteed to run in SMP by AMD and cost about $80 more per chip than the XP. I have heard that the MP has Few more features but have only shown to improve benchmarks very little. I my self use the MP chips in dual but lots of people are using the XP chips. Realy its up to you. If you want to save money and take a risk the go for the XP but if you want to make sure you fully safe and have eveything a dual amd can offer and dont care about price go for the MP.
This
Stephen Castles
12-09-01, 04:44 PM
they can be used in a dual setup, but a board will cost you a pretty penny and you need a special 500 watt power supply with the extra connector:eh?:
Originally posted by Stephen Castles
they can be used in a dual setup, but a board will cost you a pretty penny and you need a special 500 watt power supply with the extra connector:eh?:
Its actualy a 460 watt. There are three makers of the specail power supply and its only needed for the tyan thunder. The tiger can use a normal psu. I am using a nmb 460 for my thunder.
Well with no help on the question of an XP working in a dual processor board I did a ton of web searching.
Here is the story that i have.THE dual processor chipset made by amd not only will work with an XP but it was tested over and over again with the Athlon by AMD themselves because the chip set preceded the Palimino processor.
Not only that but in fact the Duron will operate just fine in the Tyan Board.I started this thread to get answers on the dual processor setups.Now we have one that we all can use.
I also reviewed Benchmarks of a dual Athlon 1.2 and a Dual MP 1.2.The Mp obviously won on tests which required the SSE but in most other tests the 2 systems are close in scores.And I mean very close.
So now I am going to buy a second 1.4 Athlon a second SK6 And the Tyan dual processor board and 768 megs of 2400 DDr Regestered Ram.Once i set this up i will post bench marks.
Originally posted by diehrd
Well with no help on the question of an XP working in a dual processor board I did a ton of web searching.
Here is the story that i have.THE dual processor chipset made by amd not only will work with an XP but it was tested over and over again with the Athlon by AMD themselves because the chip set preceded the Palimino processor.
Not only that but in fact the Duron will operate just fine in the Tyan Board.I started this thread to get answers on the dual processor setups.Now we have one that we all can use.
I also reviewed Benchmarks of a dual Athlon 1.2 and a Dual MP 1.2.The Mp obviously won on tests which required the SSE but in most other tests the 2 systems are close in scores.And I mean very close.
So now I am going to buy a second 1.4 Athlon a second SK6 And the Tyan dual processor board and 768 megs of 2400 DDr Regestered Ram.Once i set this up i will post bench marks.
Did you not read my other post up top which i said excatly what you said about dual xp...LOOK
Originally posted by mEKbOY
Did you not read my other post up top which i said excatly what you said about dual xp...LOOK
I read the post,But you made a statement that ended with if you want to be sure it works use the MP.
I am not asking for opinions I am asking a direct question and hoped for a direct answer.I am not mad or anything ,I am just looking for facts.
So that said if anyone wants the site that actually ran dual 1.2 Athlons AND dual 1.2 Mp,Just ask me and I will set ya up.
Lastly Please realize I asked the question for several reasons one of which is that now even a small budget member can consider dual processors because the durons will operate fine with thy tyan.
Originally posted by diehrd
I read the post,But you made a statement that ended with if you want to be sure it works use the MP.
I am not asking for opinions I am asking a direct question and hoped for a direct answer.I am not mad or anything ,I am just looking for facts.
So that said if anyone wants the site that actually ran dual 1.2 Athlons AND dual 1.2 Mp,Just ask me and I will set ya up.
Lastly Please realize I asked the question for several reasons one of which is that now even a small budget member can consider dual processors because the durons will operate fine with thy tyan.
Thats one site. I have seen numerous people in forums who said thay they could not get dual no mp processors to work. and was later fixed with the use of MP's. Nothing is a fact. You have a very good chance they will work fine but they dont always do. www.amdmb.com has a forum with a lot of people telling there dual non MP stories. Most are succesfull but some are not.
Read this as well...a site that used normal athlons that worked fine and even different speeds but got poor becnmark results.
athlon dual (http://www.procooling.com/reviews/html/tyan_thunder_k7_review_page4.shtml)
I have seen others though withh full success with normal athlons.
Well I have to tell ya you are booth wrong because the dual processor is only workable because of the chipset.
According to amd the dual processing abilities have been possible from the K6 processor to present.There biggest issues have been stable chipsets.Thay had Via sets that where unstable,And because of this thay personally decided to create there own chipset.
This lead to the current 762 chip that WAS tested exclusivly with a standard Athlon 4 NOT A PALIMINO,NOT AN XP But the Athlon socket processor.Also note AMD was able to run SLOT processors in a dual configuration but again THE VIA CHIP WAS TO FLAKY.
The Pentimum is a great example of dual processors that need no SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS to perform in a dual enviroment,MAtter of fact the BE6 I think will allow a celery to be paired up.
I started this thread cause I was so bothered in the thought of having to need a special processor to run duals,And if people are having troubles with duals it is most likely because thay have conflicts on drivers,or software conflicts and NOT because 2 Athlons or Durons are paired.Follow link to a true test and story behind the Dual processors.I think this tells the story in its fullest,and should make beleivers out of anyone that reads it.
together.http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1483&p=1
Stephen Castles
12-10-01, 06:17 PM
Antec is releasing a 510 watt soon :)
tbirdkiri
12-10-01, 10:25 PM
there are absolutly no smp features on any cpus!
they are all in the 760mp chipset which makes it so that all socket a cpus will work. the only diff is that all MP's are gaurenteed to run smp.
bergie007
12-11-01, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by tbirdkiri
there are absolutly no smp features on any cpus!
they are all in the 760mp chipset which makes it so that all socket a cpus will work. the only diff is that all MP's are gaurenteed to run smp.
As far as I know, the diff. between the MP's and the XP's is almost like that between P///'s and Cele2's. The traces on the XP enabling MP have been shorted therefore making it impossible to run XP's in MP mode. Some early XP's had the traces still enabled so watch out for those n grab em. The Athlons and Durons all run fine in MP mode cos their core was developed before the 760 chipset was. And BTW, all XEON procs have special MP circuitry to communicate more effectively with each other - P///'s & P4's don't have this...:beer:
Stephen Castles
12-11-01, 04:34 PM
so get the XP and close the bridges then, it's better that paying $80 extra :D
minoukat
12-11-01, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by bergie007
As far as I know, the diff. between the MP's and the XP's is almost like that between P///'s and Cele2's. The traces on the XP enabling MP have been shorted therefore making it impossible to run XP's in MP mode. Some early XP's had the traces still enabled so watch out for those n grab em. The Athlons and Durons all run fine in MP mode cos their core was developed before the 760 chipset was. And BTW, all XEON procs have special MP circuitry to communicate more effectively with each other - P///'s & P4's don't have this...:beer:
Where did you find this info ? Could you post a link ?
Originally posted by bergie007
As far as I know, the diff. between the MP's and the XP's is almost like that between P///'s and Cele2's. The traces on the XP enabling MP have been shorted therefore making it impossible to run XP's in MP mode. Some early XP's had the traces still enabled so watch out for those n grab em. The Athlons and Durons all run fine in MP mode cos their core was developed before the 760 chipset was. And BTW, all XEON procs have special MP circuitry to communicate more effectively with each other - P///'s & P4's don't have this...:beer:
Does this coment mean an XP wont work in a dual set up ??
If you mean this I suggest you take a look at www.2cpu.com
You will find many many people running the XP in the Tyan Dual Motherboard
Xp's, normal athnlons, and durons can work in smp with no problem. This is what i have been trying to get pass this whole time. However the only guaranteed chip to run in smp is the mp.
Epox is now releasing their new SMP board, the M762A... to quote the EPOX website:
"This board has the AMD 760 MPX chipset, 762 NB & 768 SB, Dual Socket A, 4 DIMM slots support up to 4GIGs of DDR memories, 200/266MHz Bus, Intel 82559 10/100 LAN, ATA 100, 4 ( 2 Optional ) USB Ports, 2 PCI 66MHz 64Bit, 3 PCI 33MHz 32Bit, 1 AGP 4X, Supports ACPI, Wake ON LAN, HW Monitoring, KBPO, Power Lost Recovery and best of all, all in just a regular ATX form factor."
Sounds like a winner! Cost?? I'd guess about $190, but that's really just a guess...
http://www.2cpu.com is a great source for smp knowledge. I have two 1ghz tbirds running smp on my Tyan Tiger s2460. The difference between the MP and the XP is the letters X and M. That's it. MP's are the same chips as XP's that have gone through extra testing for smp compatibility.
You don't need any funky 500w PSU on the tyan tiger s2460, I'm using the Antec 300w PSU that came with my sx830 case. I do have an enermax 460w PSU I'll replace it with some day when I'm not lazy.
Also, Durons, tbirds, xp's and mp's work in smp, although just mp's are certified mp.
Stephen Castles
12-13-01, 04:30 PM
there is the additional connector on them mobo that is not filled by a standard ATX suppy, see for you self.
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