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Hi all, I am a total newbie to this colling business so please go easy :)
I have just built my first system which is:
AMD 1900+ XP
Asus A7V266-E RAID
Asus V8200 GeForce 3 Ti 500
768MB DDR RAM
80 GIG 7,200rpm HDD
I am getting a reading of about 60*C for the CPU and around 40*C for the mobo. I have read a lot in these forums but all of these cool systems that run at around 30*C seem to be much slower CPUs than mine. Can any one tell me just how hot it should be running (its NOT overclocked)?
I have a heatsink and fan on the CPU (dont ask me what make as I have no idea). I also have a fan on the back of the system.
The temps run even hotter after playing games like Quake 3 etc. the CPU goes up to around 71*C and the mobo to around 50*C.
I really dont know what to expect with this setup. It sounds very hot but seeing as its running at 1.6GHz it will be hot?
As you can prolly tell I need some real help here..lol
Regards,
Pro
So, what do you have for cooling now?:beer:
Was that a trick question :/
You ain't got much. First thing to do is get some air in and out of that case. Put more/bigger fan in back, at least one in front or side to get you started. When you get that done call back and tell me what you got! Then we can get serious.:beer:
I was thinking of getting the SK6 copper h/s and fan from overclockers.co.uk. with some AS2.
Is this a good place to start?
The Doors
12-09-01, 04:20 PM
Hi Pro, welcome to the Forum,
Yor System/Cpu temps are absolutly high and dangerous!
You must install some case fans, like just suggested, and use an high performance cooler for your XP, the best for me are the ThermalRight SK6 with Delta38Cfm, better 50Cfm, or a Millenium Glaciator II.
On my XP 1700+ system @1.6Ghz 1.8v the temp @full load is around 34 degree C, Mobo 18C!!!
That's a good sink, I got one. If you can and want to get it, it is a good place to start. You need to improve air flow in your case or you aren't gonna help that much. Clean up cables and stuff by coiling or what ever. Put a good high cfm 80 mm fan on back, add one in the front for starters.
Thanx, how much noise can I expect from it all as the box is right next to my monitor so if I can help it I dont want it to be too loud!
Depends on the fans you put in. Now it is going to make some noise, so if you don't wanna watercool you will have to get used to some noise. There is a link where you can listen to the fans before you buy them but I can't remember where right now. I will look and maybe someone else knows too.:beer:
The Doors
12-09-01, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Pro
Thanx, how much noise can I expect from it all as the box is right next to my monitor so if I can help it I dont want it to be too loud!
Delta's fans are really noisy, especially the 50Cfm, but at 7v are really tollerable :) and if you want a system more quiet you can use into your Case the famous Dynamat or NoiseKiller adesive panel :cool:
Are these cooler cases from OcUK.co.uk any use ?
Originally posted by Pro
Are these cooler cases from OcUK.co.uk any use ?
Post a link and let's look.:beer: Oh yeah, to post a link just type in the address. Http://www.whatever.com damn that really was a link!
The Doors
12-09-01, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Pro
Are these cooler cases from OcUK.co.uk any use ?
Yes, on Overclockers.co.uk you can found a lot of high performance product for the OC thing, like the SK6 & the Glaciator II, like many others, for example the Alpha Pal8045 is another great cooler!
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolercase_Range_45.html
The only thing I can see that I dont like is it has no LED's for HDD activity etc !
The Doors
12-09-01, 04:33 PM
Take a look to the Juno P6 case, it's really interesting for me ;)
Originally posted by Pro
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolercase_Range_45.html
The only thing I can see that I dont like is it has no LED's for HDD activity etc ! That looks sweet! A good start for sure. It has led's I am quite sure, you just can't see them. If not they are simple to add. Go for it!:beer: :burn:
I am looking at getting the SK6 with the smaller 26CFM YS-TECH FD6025 fan. Just to cut down on the noise!
What kind of fans etc do the OEM sellers use to cool the AMD as I have never seen an OEM PC with a coolercase and loads of fans etc ?
OK, Pro, the good news is there's no reason you can't bring your temps to acceptable levels.
The first thing you should do is go to the main site page
here (http://www.overclockers.com) and sniff around all the tips pages, soak up everything you can concerning cooling.
Learn the principles involved in cooling your pc.
You'll find that in air cooling, which is what you have, the idea is to keep the ambient case temp as close to room temp as possible, while simultaneously removing as much heat from the core of the cpu as possible.
You'll find there's a great deal of difference in the effectiveness of the various heatsink/fan combos available to you. I personally stand by the Swiftech mc462a, for my athlon cpu's. I'm sure it would work well for your palomino. Loud but effective.
There are many other HSF's which will perform adequately, and which may cost less. The Thermaltake Volcano works well, just make sure you get the one meant for your cpu. They cost not much, and cool well enough, esp. if you don't OC.
You may also want to improve the airflow through your case, to help maintain the ambient temp at room temp. You have to be considerate here, because drawing air in and forcing it out of the case needs to be somewhat balanced. Read all you can find in the tips section. I understand negative air pressure can present a possibly troublesome experiment in thermal physics.
The Doors
12-09-01, 04:44 PM
Wrong way to go,
I understand that the noise is a prob for you, but this kind of heatsinks made of copper wants great airflow to cool, coz the copper dissipate more slowly than the alluminium the heat, so it's better go with a SK6 with a Delta38 or better choose a Alpha Pal8045 with a more quiet 80mm fan on top ;)
Maximus Nickus
12-09-01, 04:50 PM
Don't get the SK6!!!
Go to www.1coolpc.com and order their Alpha PAL 8045 (bare heatsink) then order a fan for it.
They are 80MM = HUGE and they mount through the holes all around you CPU so check your MOBO is compatible, and to mount it you will have to take the board out. However its the BEST HSF out there and you can use quiet HIGH performance 80MM fans on them. Or the loud SUPER high performance ones like me:rolleyes:
I live in the UK and with the shipping it came to £35!!!! + Fan from overclockingstore.co.uk = £47.
Its well worth the cash and will beat the SK6 hands-down. So if you can bother to fit it then you will have a very cool CPU that can be oc'ed like crazy and it will be quiet.
Also if you have a Small case, then you could get a bigger one. I got a 1M high case from www.overclock.co.uk (big black Chieftec Full Tower) and my temps are 10C cooler. (Never goes above ambient CPU only goes 5C above).
Long post but that HSF is awesome. Also buy YS-Tech 45.21CFM fans from www.overclockers.co.uk there 80MM blow out loads of air @ only 35DB, you can order them with the PSU pass-through connector or the 3pin board one, and there only £4 each!!!
I have 6:p !!!!
Sorry for the long post!
Maximus Nickus
12-09-01, 04:57 PM
Don't forget AS2 it can lower your temps a lot.
Just a thought though if thats a stock HSF ur using then that should be ok for now, re-apply it with Arctic Silver 2 (AS2) after cleaning it with Isoproply Alcohol and get some case cooling.
Should never be 75C!!!!!!! Xp's should be cooler than T-Birds as well!!!
By the way DID U BIULD THE PC yourself??? As I noticed in most major shops the PC's are silent (even the 2ghz ones) and when you touch the case you burn yourself!!!!
When you buy a PC no-one worrys about heat even in the Summer and there fine...
Again, Pro, the bottom line here is that you need to study enough to learn the principles involved in what you're trying to accomplish.
OK, thanx for all your help people but I am getting confused now. Every one seems to say 1 heatsink and fan is better than another 1!
So what I need is a bigger case with more system fans and a heat sink such as the SK6 and a big fan such as the delta and some AS2.
I am guessing I will have to buy another PSU to power all of these fans?
Originally posted by Pro
OK, thanx for all your help people but I am getting confused now. Every one seems to say 1 heatsink and fan is better than another 1!
So what I need is a bigger case with more system fans and a heat sink such as the SK6 and a big fan such as the delta and some AS2.
I am guessing I will have to buy another PSU to power all of these fans?
That's my point. Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 answers.
Better to learn the underlying mechanics of the cooling process.
Just take this afternoon to look over the tips section, and then follow the links to heat sink reviews and pick a model meeting your criteria.
In the end you'll need good airflow through your case, a good HSF to draw heat off the cpu, and a PSU rated for the load you'll be asking it to handle.
This might be a daft question but is the HSF supposed to be sucking or blowing ? At the min I have it sucking!
I will do that Taylor but seeing as I am in the UK and its 11:30pm it will have to wait till 2moro :-)
Hey Pro, welcome.
That's exactly the case I started with. Good and solid, removable mobo tray, room for two extra harddrives in the top, all in all a great starting point for cooling. I didn't have this commercial version though, no fans/add-ons. The power and harddrive lights are behind that vertical strip of smoke colored plexi on the lower front. And there's already a filter screen built into the case on the lower front fan. You would want to cut the 'long card slots' built into that front fan cage though.
From what I know of the case, the fan positions are quite good. I would only add that you get a 400 watt power supply with it. You shouldn't outgrow that too soon, and it would ensure those fans running at full power.
Here's a pic of mine that I changed "just a little" :D
Just to let ya know what's possible if you get crazy and run out of room anyway.
lol....Dude that rules. Looks more like a fishtank than a PC..lol.
How noisey is the case and which model of case did u get ?
Also, will my Asus A7V266-E mobo fit in fine ?
Thanx, Pro
I have the unmodded version. It looks like the guys on this site are making the mods themselves. I bought it from a big pc distriributor. The case is good and tight (ie. no rattles) and runs pretty quiet.
As for the size motherboard it takes, the mobo tray was 12" x 12" and could easily fit about any ATX board out there. It also fits the old AT boards as big as those honkers were.
If the fans do become too noisy to bear, (which I doubt) just put in a baybuss for speed/sound control. The fans generally still cool fine but at 1/3 the noise.
I had a 120mm Panaflo blowing out the bottom in that box you see on mine into the bottom mounted radiator. The holes on top drafted the whole system out the bottom.
ok, It looks like I am gonna go for one of those cases. Goodbye the best part of £200!!!
I really could cry...lol
One more thing Pro, I'm not in the business of selling cases, and I'm with Taylor in learning more from the tips section on the mainpage. I made my case work well for me with the knowledge I gained from checking sites with tip/how to sections.
You'll never waste time in gaining knowledge, but you may waste time without it.
Checking here should be considered a first step on the journey, now that you have some ideas about products you will want to check out in more detail.
DodgeViper
12-09-01, 07:11 PM
Your HSF should be blowing onto the heatsink. I have the Alpha 8045 that has been lapped and polished. Also I would look to buy the case with the 120mm fans as they will push and pull more air with less noise at lower RPM's. Your first item though is to get that stock heatsink and fan off of the cpu before you lose the cpu. READ, READ, and READ and you will be able to make a sound decision with case, power supply, heatsink, and fans.
Yes, I agree with DodgeViper, don't even run that box if it's running as hot as that.
Pro, it's obvious to me and I'm sure to others that in you we've found a kindred spirit, one who may become more and more drawn in to this practice of delving in to the inner workings of our PC's.
You can find information on any aspect of your machine in these pages, and links to a huge assortment of other resources. Don't feel you need to rush out first thing in the morning and make a snap decision on a new case or anything. If you have another means of accessing the internet, besides your Palomino space-heater, then may I suggest you buy nothing until you've plenty of time to research your project more thoroughly.
When I first came here, I read constantly and posted little or nothing, built nothing until I'd read plenty. Before that I'd built half a dozen boxes and thought I knew something. I did, but not as much as I thought!
You don't need to go out and blow a coupla hundred pounds on a case right away, either. There are a buttload (that's two cheeks' worth) of brands out there, and plenty of models come set up with multilple fans. I got my first Antec tower case for around $100 or so.
But you could get a cheap case which could meet your airflow needs, tho you may need to upgrade its psu. Even if it doesn't have the holes you'll need, to add extra fans, a hole saw will do the job- and better, since you can choose where to place the fans.
Oh, BTW, as DodgeViper said, the fan blows down inside the fins of the HS. The idea is to force the dissipated heat energy out the sides of the heat sink to be carried out of the box.
Try making your fan do that, first, and you may see enough improvment that you don't need to do much more.
Firstly welcome to the best overclocking site in the universe....
Just a simple bit of advice I'll pass on to you, 9/10 if someone with 2 or 3000+ post is using it on their own system you can take it as gospel it works, even the seniors will differ in opinion its only human nature but you will find in most cases they will all work well.
So having said that keep your eyes open and welcome.
Hmmm better modify that a little...
Their will be obviously less posted people who will offer good advice too the above was a general rule of thumb.
Maximus Nickus
12-10-01, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Pro
ok, It looks like I am gonna go for one of those cases. Goodbye the best part of £200!!!
I really could cry...lol
Remember the size of cases really matters, I got 10C better temps with a bigger case.
Go to www.overclock.co.uk and take a look @ the Chieftec Cases, I got the REALLY TALL BLACK FULL TOWER for £79 + Shipping.
I'm not saying this is the best looking or performing case (there always something better!) but it does look good and has GREAT cooling potential.
Or go to www.overclockers.co.uk and look @ the Juno Full Tower, that is Dual PSU compatible and takes 6 fans like the Cheiftec, Its also Blue!
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