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I'd be surprised if he gets many replies as it is, superficially anyway, considered immoral on this forum to send back something you broke.
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Hazaro said:If you do anything besides mount the CPU with a stock cooler on a supported motherboard, your warranty is pretty much void.
ROMAD said:The whole idea seems a little fishy. Can they detect whether you've overclocked a chip? Probably. Will they? Doubtful. As has been said on other boards, it's largely a waste of time and/or resources. Even still, if Intel/AMD has a way of doing this (other than seeing a physically fried chip), then I would think some well-motivated programmer could figure out where in the chip this information is stored and would promptly post an app to read this info.
My guess is that stories like this are started by people who RMA melted silicon in hopes of getting a sparkling new chip. Other than physical signs, I highly doubt Intel (and probably AMD too) is scrutinizing every RMA'd chip that comes back to them. If someone sent in an entire tray, that would be different.
As for the whole "if you use anything but the stock heatsink, it will void your warranty" argument: please explain the existence of OEM CPU's. That argument doesn't hold water and is really not relevant to this issue.
So unless you're sending back lapped, melted or otherwise scarred CPU's, I would be surprised if you would be denied an RMA. Whether it's "right" or not can be left for another discussion.
Surely if an item is RMA'd and turns out to be totally electronically fried it is likely to have buggered up any detection mechanism.
That was a great read!!!! Very true though.FeralCom said:While I agree 100% that overclocking should void a warranty, I also believe that overclocking helps push the sales of CPUs. I may be off, but I seriously doubt that many of AMDs releases would have taken off like they did without their overclocking reputations. The first Intel Celerons are a good example. Their sales skyrocketed at first release because everyone was overclocking them and getting better performance than Pentiums that were almost twice the price.
In any case, I wonder just what goes through the minds of the AMD board directors.
Meeting 1
Suite 1: We have a fanboy problem. They are increasing our sales with their undying devotion. Heck...we just passed Intel in sales what do we do?
Suite 2: Lets snag OEMs like Dell and diminish our inventory. They cant push what they can't buy. What few procs that make it distributors will be price gouged and they wont be able to afford them.
Meeting 2
Suite 1: Well we got Dell. Intel is now back on top and has introduced Conroes which we cant compete against. We still have a few fanboys out there waving our banner and are sure we have a better proc in our top-secret labs.
Suite 2: Lets buy ATI. That should drain our funds and stall our development. That should force them to go Intel.
Meeting 3
Suite 1: There are still some hard-core fanboys out there. Is there any way we can shake them?
Suite 2: Lets discourage overclocking further! If there is no overclocking, we will never catch up with Intel. That should finally crush those fanboys spirits!
K10 adds the capability of independently clocking all the CPU cores. In current K8 processors (and Intel's Core 2 generation), all cores are clocked at the same level all the time -- the P-state can only be changed synchronously. In case of a compute-intensive single-threaded process, all cores must run on the highest level P-state. On K10-based CPUs, the idle cores could be switched to the lowest P-state, while others are in different states, depending on load.
This feature could possibly be abused by overclockers to overclock a single core above the specified levels. Amato clarified that AMD doesn't endorse overclocking, but acknowledges there are people interested in that. In a warranty case, AMD could detect PLL programmings out of spec which would deny the warranty. The new cores, however, have new thermal sensors, to improve overheating protection.
I don't think there has ever been any doubt there.I thought it was always understood that overclocking voided the CPU's warranty
Mr. Perfect said:Ok, here's a kicker. What about motherboards that auto-overclock for you? Do we loose our $500 CPU because brand X set's their boards a little higher to win in the benchmarks?
For example, my ASrock 939 Dual ran at the correct FSB of exactly 200 by default. The Asus A8N I replaced it with ran FSB at 201 even though BIOS was set to 200. Sure, that's only 11MHz with an x11 multiplier, but is that enough for a CPU vender to detect and deny an RMA? I'm not pleased that Asus feels they need an edge in the benchmarks, but up till now it was just an ethical daydream.
BTW, AMD can only do this with PLL CPUs. In other words, K10s
I don't think there has ever been any doubt there.