View Full Version : Real World 2900XT Results!
Fr3@k3r
05-10-07, 10:50 PM
http://it-review.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1314&Itemid=1
seems ATI might just have some problems on their hands, altho it seems to hold it own against the 8800gts, and somewhat vs the 8800gtx
now im wondering how its gonna hold up vs the upcoming 8900 series...
we will see.
ALL of those numbers seems a ways off... for all 3 of the lot.
Good OpenGL performance and horrible performance in shader intensive games?
That shure does not sound like ATi... and are the 2900XT's OpenGL drivers even fully functional?
And why no synthetic benchmarks? Why just a picture of an ugly guy and some 2900's?
Fr3@k3r
05-10-07, 11:59 PM
im hoping they are driver issues.. or else ati is gonna be in some trouble..
hopefully some new benchies from other people will colaborate..
Ha, shader intensive having bad scores. Doesn't sound ANYTHING like ATI.
Oc1Kenube
05-11-07, 02:28 AM
Only benchmarks i am going to believe are the ones that arrive on trusted sites after the r600's land with the publicly released drivers,.im soooo sick of these benchmarks popping up and claiming the death of ati or claiming Sh**e performance generally.
ahbroody
05-11-07, 03:44 AM
Ha, shader intensive having bad scores. Doesn't sound ANYTHING like ATI.
Well seeing as how this card has been a train wreck to get to market for ati dont be so confident. Just saying ati has lost lots of cash and had to get something out there.
Well seeing as how this card has been a train wreck to get to market for ati dont be so confident. Just saying ati has lost lots of cash and had to get something out there.
Read the post above yours.
All of these threads remind me of this:
http://www.salagram.net/end1.jpg
http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/Tom%20photo%20for%20tract.JPG
Just a bunch of folks that will use any excuse to moan and complain about how long the card has taken to come out. All you guys do is scream apocalypse and run around with your heads cut off like the end is near for ATI because somebody ran past you saying it was true while trying to evade aliens. :bang head
Can a mod close these threads that have no backing, no proof, from unrespected sites, before an official card is at stores and official drivers are out? I'm kind of tired of reading people screaming apocolypse coming!!! Convert now or die! :mad:
deathman20
05-11-07, 07:38 AM
The link has been posted in the bit R600 thread. But as well some have said that it is a very trusted source. Issue is they never mentioned what system what GPU was in, if there was any OC on ANY of the GPU's from Reference clocked or not.
they aree new drivers tooo... so once those bugs are worked out...
rainless
05-11-07, 08:37 AM
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-2900XT
Well lookie! The 2900XT! I can actually buy it... YOU can actually buy it... The eight people that posted can all buy it, stick it in their computers, and run their own benchmarks.
So who's willing to take up the charge?
Evilsizer
05-11-07, 08:47 AM
lol, OEM $410
i will if someone puts up half the cost.
rainless
05-11-07, 10:00 AM
lol, OEM $410
i will if someone puts up half the cost.
I'll put up half if you're willing to ship it back and forth every other week :)
Well I got my 2900xt... would love to say its fantastic, but I am having massive stability issues. I can't run 3dmark cause it freezes at the splashscreen, and games seem to be problematic at best. :( I am thinking that the drivers that ship with the cards are crap. Maybe they will put out a new version on their site next week when the cards are launched. Oh and one more thing... the fan is noisey as hell. :(
dudleycpa
05-11-07, 11:07 AM
Llew-
Where did you get yours from and (I assume it is) is it the OEM version.
Thanks and good Luck!
Evilsizer
05-11-07, 11:14 AM
heheh looks like i dont need to buy one....
It's the Retail version of the HD 2900xt from ATI. I run a computer business and got it as a favor from a friend at AMD. It had been suggested to me that my problems may stem from the fact that I am running Windows XP and that if I install Vista I should be fine. So, in the interest of science I will reformat my machine tonight, install vista, and try again. Wish me luck.
Llew
Oh and in case anyone is wondering what machine I am putting this in...
QX6700 @ 3.4Ghz 1.4V
2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800mhz
Intel Badaxe 2 mainboard
Scythe Infinity HS
3 X 250GB Seagate ST3250620AS Raid 0
Lian Li V1000 case
Corsair 620W PSU
rainless
05-11-07, 12:00 PM
heheh looks like i dont need to buy one....
Hey! We just saved 200 bucks a piece! :beer:
dudleycpa
05-11-07, 12:08 PM
It's the Retail version of the HD 2900xt from ATI. I run a computer business and got it as a favor from a friend at AMD. It had been suggested to me that my problems may stem from the fact that I am running Windows XP and that if I install Vista I should be fine. So, in the interest of science I will reformat my machine tonight, install vista, and try again. Wish me luck.
Llew
The card works better in Vista than WinXP? I don't want to give the impression that I am trying to offend anyone, because I really am trying to avoid that. However, I find that very difficult to believe. A lot of people are still using WinXP. Why would DAMMIT favor Vista over WinXP? Unless they are in a HUGE rush to get the 2900XT out is the only reason I can think of.
Until we see benchmarks and reviews from repubutale sites we're just have to going to wait.
dudleycpa, no offence taken.
I am not trying to say that it will work better on Vista. What I AM saying is that AMD asked me to install it under vista and see if I have the same issues. They seem fairly certain that it's an OS issue and nothing to do with their drivers or hardware. At this point, I am thinking the drivers are immature, and nothing else. I can't rate/bench the hardware because I can't get it to work properly. Believe me, I would like it to work because I have already sold my crossfire X1950XT setup and wont have a videocard for my system as of tomorrow unless I can get this thing to work properly. I'm not going to say ATI is doomed or that the end is near ;). I will say that I don't think the drivers are ready for the general public. Considering that the card didn't cost me anything, I can be patient for new drivers :)
dudleycpa
05-11-07, 12:19 PM
Fascinating....AMD wanted you to try it under Vista and see if you have the same issue? You have a very nice setup so I can't think that it has anything to do with your hardware.
Good luck and keep us all updated!
Burninate
05-11-07, 03:44 PM
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-2900XT
Well lookie! The 2900XT! I can actually buy it... YOU can actually buy it... The eight people that posted can all buy it, stick it in their computers, and run their own benchmarks.
So who's willing to take up the charge?
Item was taken down :( Must've been a mistake to post it up so early. The end isn't any more near for ATi for not having a DX10 card (especially considering there is exactly zero advantage right now in owning a DX10 card) than the end is near for AMD for not having the fastest chips on the market. :beer: <-- here's to hoping it's an awesome card. I sure could use a price drop before I buy a DX10 card.
ahbroody
05-11-07, 06:39 PM
Read the post above yours.
All of these threads remind me of this:
Just a bunch of *Edted* that will use any excuse to moan and complain about how long the card has taken to come out. All you guys do is scream apocalypse and run around with your heads cut off like the end is near for ATI because somebody ran past you saying it was true while trying to evade aliens. :bang head
Can a mod close these threads that have no backing, no proof, from unrespected sites, before an official card is at stores and official drivers are out? I'm kind of tired of reading people screaming apocolypse coming!!! Convert now or die! :mad:
First of all calling people names because you disagree with the opinion is a little juvenile wouldnt you say.
Second you have a few options, dont read the threads which would require you to exercise some self control, or do a little research on the net before you start pointing that flame thrower at people. Look at ati/amd's latest financial reports to see that they have lost millions of dollars and the card has been delayed multiple times. They have taken huge hits and given NVidia the upper hand. They had to release something and so they have. I am not an ati or nvidia fan boy. I own both cards. No one ran past me saying anything I used that search button on the web browser to look at reports given by people in the know that said AMD/ATi is in big trouble. Those financial reports that businesses mustpost are full of information.
All I want is a price war so I can benefit.
dont hold your breath for new driver for a month, ATI doesnt release drivers more then once a month, and its random, if they have already released drivers for may then your out of luck till next month. Unless they do different then usual. When the x1900's launched we had to wait 6 weeks for a driver other then it shipped with.
Whoever gave you advice that it would run better in vista than xp is smoking some good stuff unless the driver shipped is infact a vista driver then you have no choice.
aaronjb
05-11-07, 08:02 PM
Just a bunch of folks that will use any excuse to moan and complain about how long the card has taken to come out. All you guys do is scream apocalypse and run around with your heads cut off like the end is near for ATI because somebody ran past you saying it was true while trying to evade aliens. :bang head
Can a mod close these threads that have no backing, no proof, from unrespected sites, before an official card is at stores and official drivers are out? I'm kind of tired of reading people screaming apocolypse coming!!! Convert now or die! :mad:
<ignoring> :)
deathman20
05-11-07, 09:31 PM
As well guys ignore him. Don't want to distract from the thread.
As well guys ignore him. Don't want to distract from the thread.
;)
Super Nade
05-11-07, 10:45 PM
Although I wouldn't put it as vixro did, citing crap websites (like Fudzilla) is really skating on thin ice. If anything, it completely devalues your argument. Having said that, speculation (wild or otherwise) accompanies every new product launch and that seems to be part of the landscape whether you like it or not. :shrug:
deathman20
05-11-07, 11:58 PM
dont hold your breath for new driver for a month, ATI doesnt release drivers more then once a month, and its random, if they have already released drivers for may then your out of luck till next month. Unless they do different then usual. When the x1900's launched we had to wait 6 weeks for a driver other then it shipped with.
Whoever gave you advice that it would run better in vista than xp is smoking some good stuff unless the driver shipped is infact a vista driver then you have no choice.
Ya the driver releases can be iffy on timings but they are released each month though. If anything beta's come out 1-2 weeks before hand at least people can get there hands on.
As well agree on the OS as well. XP will preform better if the drivers work on it. Vista is a little sluggish in terms, weather its the way DX9 is run in the OS or the OS itself.
BTW Thx guys just didn't want it to get out of hand.
ATI has a new driver ;) ATI card ships with 8.36 and on AMDs private support site the have 8.37 for download. This seems to have fixed the majority of my problems. Aside from that, I found the problem with 3DMark, you have to load it with the -nosysteminfo switch otherwise it freezes while detecting system setup.
Now, on to the fun part... with my setup, the card scored 12013 at stock speeds. Breakdown was:
SM2.0 score 4591
HDR/SM3 score 4951
CPU score 4996
Overall, with the new driver im pretty happy. Fan is still noisey but I guess I can live with that. ;) Oh, and for comparison, that 3dMark score is only around 600 points less than my crossfire x1950 setup. Which is awesome considering that this is only one card, has DX10 support, and overall draws less juice than my crossfire setup. Not to mention that fact that this card is much cheaper than two x1950xt's. Gents, I think we may have a winner here.
Llew
Oh, and before someone yells at me.. yes I know that 3dMark is just a synthetic benchmark and may not mean anything, but it gave me a quick and dirty point of reference to compare my two setups. ;)
deathman20
05-12-07, 12:44 AM
Excellent news Llew. It basically goes right along with the results from Denny over on this thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143915
Theres even a newer driver the 8.38 as well.
joesaiditstrue
05-12-07, 12:53 AM
sick of seeing 3dmark scores, would like to see some updated gaming benchmarks done, perhaps some custom made time demos that haven't had the chance to be optimized by either nv or ati..
Well its nice to know that someone else is showing similar numbers to me. Now I just need a power supply with a 8pin PCIE connector so that I can overclock. Sorta sucks that the driver locks out the overclocking features if you dont have that connector. Only problem is trying to find one of those powersupplies available locally. Sucks cause I just got my Corsair 620W :(
Hey Joe
I understand your point of view, but unfortunatly I dont have any games that I could use to benchmark with. I will try to do better next time ;)
Llew
deathman20
05-12-07, 12:59 AM
Theres that ATI Program.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/536/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.7.html
Wahla :) That should bypass the overdrives need for 8-Pin.
That may bypass the need for the 8 pin, but the question is will the card be stable when you overclock without the 8 pin? Personally, I won't care because I don't see the need in stressing a card that is already so fast. Although, this entire website would serve no purpose if overclocking the best served no purpose. ;) I am glad to see you got it working and your problems are gone. As my sig says, I'm proud to be a Vista user.
As for calling me an ATI fanboy, in some sense I am, but in all honesty I'm just sick of people pointing fingers and saying this is Doom for AMD without proof. A company is going to feel a little financial downfall after a multibillion dollar purchase of another company, am I right?
The extra 2 pins are the exact same as the other 6 pairs... so an extra molex cable will solve that problem.:bday:
Hooray modular PSU!
Hooray Beer! :beer:
ok well so far without the 8pin connector I have had some success at overclocking... got core up to 825 and memory of to 1050. 3dMark scores are over 13k at the moment and climbing. :) Time for me to hit the sac, I will post some detailed info tomorrow. Maybe I wont need a new PSU after all ;)
Hipcrostino
05-12-07, 06:55 AM
Well its nice to know that someone else is showing similar numbers to me. Now I just need a power supply with a 8pin PCIE connector so that I can overclock. Sorta sucks that the driver locks out the overclocking features if you dont have that connector. Only problem is trying to find one of those powersupplies available locally. Sucks cause I just got my Corsair 620W :(
Dude, the 8 pin just has one more 12v line and one more ground i believe. Just get two small wires and jump them from the 6pin you already have to the pins for the 8 pin connector. It won't provide more juice, but the driver will detect the connection and give you the over clocking function.
Edit: What Shell said!
crosshairs
05-12-07, 07:55 AM
And post some pics...:)
aaronjb
05-12-07, 09:17 AM
RE: 6-pin vs. 8-pin:
No adapters are needed as a 6 pin PCIe aux from the computer PS will physically plug into the 8 contact connector on card but the OC would be limited using ATI's Over Drive that way.
Source:
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5056101&postcount=759
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5056138&postcount=761
deathman20
05-12-07, 09:42 PM
Dude, the 8 pin just has one more 12v line and one more ground i believe. Just get two small wires and jump them from the 6pin you already have to the pins for the 8 pin connector. It won't provide more juice, but the driver will detect the connection and give you the over clocking function.
Edit: What Shell said!
We thought the 8-Pin had another 12V line it doesn't. Its 2 extra grounding cables. Kinc from XS has been using just 6-Pin connectors for his OC's and well hes already up and past 1.15Ghz on the core.
We thought the 8-Pin had another 12V line it doesn't. Its 2 extra grounding cables. Kinc from XS has been using just 6-Pin connectors for his OC's and well hes already up and past 1.15Ghz on the core. Another 2 grounding cables??
Well that just makes wiring things a bit less convenient. :-/
I want those two pins for more power, not more wiring to deal with.
Oh well... the standard is wayy under spec to begin with, I bet w would be perfectly safe if it weren't for the connectors and the PCB... it's like the average outlet in my house. :beer: I can power my stove on a regular line if I swapped the plug and fuse with a bigger one. :D
I wonder how fast this thing can go? If the X1900 could go from 650 to 850+, I hope the 2900 can yield the same OCCapabilityPercentage(avg~OCCP). :drool:
Edit: Hey, it's the 14th, where's my 2900? :p
MadMan007
05-12-07, 11:41 PM
Llew - can you post a breakdown of the 3DM scores? Mainly without CPU included because your quad makes it hard for mere mortals with dual-cores to get a normalized comparison.
deathman20
05-13-07, 08:48 AM
Another 2 grounding cables??
Well that just makes wiring things a bit less convenient. :-/
I want those two pins for more power, not more wiring to deal with.
Oh well... the standard is wayy under spec to begin with, I bet w would be perfectly safe if it weren't for the connectors and the PCB... it's like the average outlet in my house. :beer: I can power my stove on a regular line if I swapped the plug and fuse with a bigger one. :D
I wonder how fast this thing can go? If the X1900 could go from 650 to 850+, I hope the 2900 can yield the same OCCapabilityPercentage(avg~OCCP). :drool:
Edit: Hey, it's the 14th, where's my 2900? :p
Well with high currents its better to have more grounding. Because each wire can handle alot more load then what spesificiations say it can. Truely a 6-Pin can deliver over 150W of power, but they play it safe and say it can't. So more or less its there for our safty.
From all the results it seems 850-885 seems to be where the cooling would affect the OC on stock cooler, but they said it runs very close to if not in the 90C range.
BTW its the 13th here still.
Well, it would seem that the best OC i can get on my ATI original card is 800core, 1000mhz memory. Anything higher than this and I start crashing all over the place. 3dMark scores hover around 13k. I will post a breakdown of the scores in a little bit.
Llew
Oh and FYI in order to get 800/1000 I have to take the sidepanel off my case and have a 24" fan blowing my air conditioned atmosphere into my computer. Overall... I'm a little dissapointed in the OC, but the performance is solid.
metloaf
05-13-07, 11:25 AM
I think that is still a respectible OC even with those results and the potential power of those cards. Water cooling would probably help some too. :beer:
MadMan007
05-13-07, 02:50 PM
Just as a reference for comparison - not meant as antogonistic in any way - I get 11k in 3DM06 with a C2D @ 3.4GHz and an 8800GTS @ 621core/1458shader/999(1998)mem, 158.22 drivers from NV website. Not the greatest OC's but decent and something people can reasonably expect.
*edit* I'm stupid and didn't realize 3DM total isn't made up of simple addition of the components :rolleyes:
3DMark Score 11077 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4917 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 4727 Marks
CPU Score 3036 Marks
That's the breakdown.
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=9246824
Oc1Kenube
05-13-07, 05:26 PM
ATI has a new driver ;) ATI card ships with 8.36 and on AMDs private support site the have 8.37 for download. This seems to have fixed the majority of my problems. Aside from that, I found the problem with 3DMark, you have to load it with the -nosysteminfo switch otherwise it freezes while detecting system setup.
Now, on to the fun part... with my setup, the card scored 12013 at stock speeds. Breakdown was:
SM2.0 score 4591
HDR/SM3 score 4951
CPU score 4996
Overall, with the new driver im pretty happy. Fan is still noisey but I guess I can live with that. ;) Oh, and for comparison, that 3dMark score is only around 600 points less than my crossfire x1950 setup. Which is awesome considering that this is only one card, has DX10 support, and overall draws less juice than my crossfire setup. Not to mention that fact that this card is much cheaper than two x1950xt's. Gents, I think we may have a winner here.
Llew
Oh, and before someone yells at me.. yes I know that 3dMark is just a synthetic benchmark and may not mean anything, but it gave me a quick and dirty point of reference to compare my two setups. ;)
Ok the 7900 gs is going on ebay today along with it's 6000 3dm points lol,what psu you running this on?
Problems? Blame the baby drivers!
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