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sephiroth_749
05-15-07, 03:04 PM
i am trying to connect another computer to the internet threw mine i followed the instructions on microsoft.com but it didnt work is there something i need to do to get this to work i have dsl and i have to manually connect to it and i have to lan ports and i was trying to share the connection threw the second lan port. Is there some more configuring i need to do to get this to work with a normal cat 5 cable
you will probably need a transfer cable to connect two computers together but you could get a router and BOOM problem solved
thideras
05-15-07, 03:50 PM
i am trying to connect another computer to the internet threw mine i followed the instructions on microsoft.com but it didnt work is there something i need to do to get this to work i have dsl and i have to manually connect to it and i have to lan ports and i was trying to share the connection threw the second lan port. Is there some more configuring i need to do to get this to work with a normal cat 5 cableNope, with a CAT5 cable it is pretty easy. On the computer you want to run the internet "through", go to Start<Control Panel<Network Connections. Select the two connections that you want to "tie" together and right click on either of them, select bridge connections. You will get a pop-up like this:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/thideras/bridge.jpg
When it goes away, look at the Network Connections window, it should now look like this:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/thideras/bridged.jpg
You win!!
sephiroth_749
05-15-07, 05:01 PM
i tryed to bridge them but how do i do it i selected both of them and i dont get the option to bridge them anymore.
personaly I would just buy a cheap wired router, can get them for as low as $10 on sale now adays. I tried the MS bridged network when I was just getting into the networkin area. It was slow, unstable (randomly any one of the two computers would not get the internet, and sharing files was flakey) and the main computer attached to the internet needs to be on for the other to work.
I bought a router, my first being a netgear rp614, cost $85 at the time. I would never go back to ms netork bridge. Currently have a WRT54G with 8 computers, a print server and wireless for my laptop. Is fast and reliable and easy to set up (even with the ammount of computers I have, and im sure many people here have bigger networks than mine).
Do yourself a favor and get a router, you will be alot happier with one.
thideras
05-15-07, 06:07 PM
i tryed to bridge them but how do i do it i selected both of them and i dont get the option to bridge them anymore.When you right clicked them, did you have them both selected? Cause if you don't that option will not be available.
Don't you need a special type of CAT5? Crossover cable? So the two computers can talk to each other?
What I did with my Xbox when I was playing around with it was to use a crossover cable and used Internet Connection Sharing. My computer was on wireless so I used the LAN port for the Xbox and just enable ICS on my wireless card through Network Connections.
gearhead1972
05-16-07, 05:12 AM
I have a wireless machine on the other side of the basement at my work bench. When I need to get a clients computer online I share then wireless connection, the select both the wireless and wired, hit bridge. Then hook up a crossover wire between them.
sephiroth_749
05-16-07, 06:28 AM
When you right clicked them, did you have them both selected? Cause if you don't that option will not be available.
i did have them both selected they were blue and i had no options at all
gearhead1972
05-16-07, 05:19 PM
are you sure they are both enabled? and do you have a crossover cable?
sephiroth_749
05-16-07, 05:25 PM
they are both enablable and i can share files once set up just not my internet connection and its just a cat5 cable not a crossover cable
gearhead1972
05-17-07, 05:20 AM
and did you right click and hit "share" the connection connected to the dsl? if so then I dont know what to tell ya but to get a crossover and try that or a cheap router .
JamesXP
05-17-07, 06:58 AM
You might not need a crossover. some ports have built-in recognizing what it needs to do,
so if its acting like a x-over it will be one,
sephiroth_749
05-18-07, 06:28 AM
and did you right click and hit "share" the connection connected to the dsl? if so then I dont know what to tell ya but to get a crossover and try that or a cheap router .
i dont think i had that option once i get the other computer conneceted
thideras
05-18-07, 04:06 PM
You might not need a crossover. some ports have built-in recognizing what it needs to do,
so if its acting like a x-over it will be one,Correct, modern NIC's do not need crossover cables, they will "crossover" if they need to be. I do not even have 1 crossover cable in the hundreds of feet of cat5 that I have.:beer:
I didn't have to bridge my connections for ICS to work. I just tried it with my ps2 and my computer, it should be very a similar process. You could try to share the connection before connecting the other PC. I don't see a reason why the option shouldn't be there. Just make sure you're selecting the right NIC to share the internet connection. It should be the one that connects to the Internet not the one that connects the computers together. It would be under Properties/Advanced. When you enable the sharing, it'll pop up with a drop down box asking for which NIC to share the connection with, this is where you'd select the NIC that connects the computers together. It's very important that everything should be set on auto...so the computer with the internet connection will auto-designate an IP address.
BTW, if you're using the a8n-sli, if you give me more specifics on which NIC you're using for what connection I could be more detailed. Also, you might want to think about just enabling PPPoE on your DSL modem so you don't have to manually connect through the computer, or set up a manual PPPoE with Windows, so you don't have bloatware from the ISP.
sephiroth_749
05-19-07, 08:54 AM
i have to manually connect with my dsl cause the modem is dumb and doesnt auto connect and i am trying to share the connection threw lan 2 and my dsl comes in threw lan one
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t643378_network.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i643378_network.jpg)
You don't need to bridge the connection so delete the bridge if it's still there. In this picture I'm using my wireless connection, but you can do the same with the two lans.
sephiroth_749
05-20-07, 11:51 AM
k thanks i will try that really soon and tell you how it works
dark_15
05-20-07, 01:39 PM
Take a look at the diagram I have attached. Hopefully this may help you a little bit. Also, take a look at this Microsoft KB article for help on troubleshooting.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308006/en-us
That diagram just hit me...the DSL modems come with the IP 192.168.0.1, that might cause a problem with ICS. Try log into the modem and changing the IP, that could also help.
thideras
05-20-07, 06:27 PM
That diagram just hit me...the DSL modems come with the IP 192.168.0.1, that might cause a problem with ICS. Try log into the modem and changing the IP, that could also help.ICS works with DHCP...it just makes your computer act like a switch. There is no need to change anything on the router.
gearhead1972
05-20-07, 09:09 PM
this reminded me, when i do this once in a while, if my router is set to 192.168.0.1 when I go to share the connection, it tells me there is an ip address conflict and that the computer doing the sharing needs to have the ip 192.168.0.1 Just a thought
That's what I'm saying...there could be an IP conflict if the modem is running the 192.168.0.1, which is the default IP for ICS.
sephiroth_749
05-21-07, 02:58 PM
how do i tell the ip of the modem it have to conncet manually by setting up my own connection so does my modem have a different ip or jus the normal one
thideras
05-21-07, 04:09 PM
this reminded me, when i do this once in a while, if my router is set to 192.168.0.1 when I go to share the connection, it tells me there is an ip address conflict and that the computer doing the sharing needs to have the ip 192.168.0.1 Just a thoughtIf you set the IP the same as the router, you will have problems. It won't work.
sephiroth_749
05-21-07, 05:06 PM
i have no router
Wait...so it didn't work?
dark_15
05-21-07, 06:20 PM
On the NIC that is connected to the modem...
What is that IP address?
sephiroth_749
05-22-07, 08:08 AM
On the NIC that is connected to the modem...
What is that IP address?
ok so i ran cmd and did ipconfig and i got
autoconfiguation ip address for the nic and its 169.254.131.253
and i also got
PPP adapter yahoo dsl 75.43.141.229
thideras
05-22-07, 08:28 AM
ok so i ran cmd and did ipconfig and i got
autoconfiguation ip address for the nic and its 169.254.131.253
and i also got
PPP adapter yahoo dsl 75.43.141.229If you are pulling a 169.xxx.xxx.xxx, that means the NIC was never given an IP address and Windows just "makes one up". Either DHCP is off on the router or you have a connection problem. That could be why it won't let you bridge them or do ICS.
dark_15
05-22-07, 08:52 AM
Which interface are you sharing? The NIC, or the PPP Adapter? And is that connected via ethernet or USB?
I'm suspecting that his PPP would tied to his first NIC, the one connected to the internet and the one he'd want to share. If this is the case he'd need to share with the PPP. What I picture his network connections looks like is this:
1-2 1393 connections
2 Local Area Connections
1 WAN Miniport (PPPoE)
He's connected straight to the modem. The Yahoo! software should create the PPPoE connection. Would it be possible for you to take a screenshot of what the connections are in your network connections folder, when you have the internet running. Also, the name of the DSL modem (SpeedStream, 2Wire, etc).
Like I said if the modem is a newer model, you can just put the PPPoE on the modem, so you don't get this kind of problem, and it'll run like a cable modem. You don't need software to connect, it'll connect for you.
sephiroth_749
05-22-07, 08:58 PM
Which interface are you sharing? The NIC, or the PPP Adapter? And is that connected via ethernet or USB?
im sharing nic and its ethernet
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=connectsprintscreenbq5.jpg
the modem is a speedstream 5100
Make sure you enable all the NICs, on that pic you have the second lan disabled. The PPPoE is going through the Marvell Yukon, which is the one that should be connected to the modem. The Nvidia one should be the one connected to the second computer. You would then select the Nvidia to share the connection with.
sephiroth_749
05-23-07, 11:18 AM
Make sure you enable all the NICs, on that pic you have the second lan disabled. The PPPoE is going through the Marvell Yukon, which is the one that should be connected to the modem. The Nvidia one should be the one connected to the second computer. You would then select the Nvidia to share the connection with.
i know its disabled i enable it once i use it
Helgaiden
05-24-07, 03:33 PM
a cheap router, switch, even a hub would make this soooo much easier. Do both computers have firewire? Isnt there a way you could connect a firewire cable between the two computers to network them? Maybe that, i dunno, it would show up on your network thing as 1394 connection.
sephiroth_749
05-24-07, 03:35 PM
a cheap router, switch, even a hub would make this soooo much easier. Do both computers have firewire? Isnt there a way you could connect a firewire cable between the two computers to network them? Maybe that, i dunno, it would show up on your network thing as 1394 connection.
the other computer doesnt have firewire
Helgaiden
05-24-07, 03:44 PM
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sephiroth_749
05-25-07, 03:20 PM
ok i followed all the directions of the microsoft thing and it shows the conncetion on the other computer and i can see my shared files but still no internet how is this i can see that the internet connection is coming from the main computer
sephiroth_749
05-28-07, 11:35 PM
bump still need help with this cause now im just confused
dark_15
05-29-07, 11:05 AM
Try this:
go to a command prompt (Start -> run -> 'cmd' [sans quotes] -> click OK)
type this in: ipconfig /all > C:\result.txt
Go to your C: drive and copy/paste the contents of the result.txt file here.
Put the results inside [code ] brackets to preserve the formatting.
Do it on both machines and post both machines' results up here.
I know this is confusing, but I'm pretty certain the issue lies with the DSL modem. It uses the 192.168.0.1 address, I believe it's the default on all DSL modems from Yahoo! (AT&T, Cingular, I honestly don't know anymore) DSL. You can simply change it by typing in 192.168.0.1 in a web browser. This should take you to the web configuration. Change the address to 192.168.1.1, if you don't plan on getting a router.
The reasoning is that it's causing an IP conflict with the ICS. ICS defaults to the 192.168.0.1 address for that main computer and then uses that computer as a DHCP for the other computer.
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