WCed - QX6800 and high temps...elp...h...

[JenBell]

Hello People,

Posted thread in intel cpu section and got nothing...so trying here...

OK so the QX6800 is like REALLLLLLLLLLLLY hot!

The thing is that speedfan 4.32 on vista64 shows all the cores on 45-47 and so does nTune but everest shows the temps at 60c....

What one do I trust? Specs are EVGA 680i, 7800 GTX 256 and corsair 4gb 6400 DDr2.....no OCing.

Using Apogee GT waterblock and the swiftech WCing kit with dual-rads. I set the fans to spin at noisy 12volts...has them set at 7v previously...

I am going install coretemp tonight and I will post the reading here later on as well.

Oh and another thing...what TAT...it suppose to monitor temps but cannot find anything in goolge when I enter tat/ tat temps/ tat cpu....am I missing something?

One final thing...the liquid is FluidXP but I dont think that should be a problem.


Thanks!

[BioTuned]

Feel the block, and see if it feels hot. what else do you have on the loop?

[thideras]

Hello People,

Posted thread in intel cpu section and got nothing...so trying here...

OK so the QX6800 is like REALLLLLLLLLLLLY hot!

The thing is that speedfan 4.32 on vista64 shows all the cores on 45-47 and so does nTune but everest shows the temps at 60c....

What one do I trust? Specs are EVGA 680i, 7800 GTX 256 and corsair 4gb 6400 DDr2.....no OCing.

Using Apogee GT waterblock and the swiftech WCing kit with dual-rads. I set the fans to spin at noisy 12volts...has them set at 7v previously...

I am going install coretemp tonight and I will post the reading here later on as well.

Oh and another thing...what TAT...it suppose to monitor temps but cannot find anything in goolge when I enter tat/ tat temps/ tat cpu....am I missing something?

One final thing...the liquid is FluidXP but I dont think that should be a problem.


Thanks!CoreTemp will be the closest since it reads from the on-chip sensor on the CPU. I wouldn't trust anything else IMO.

Most of the time when you see high temps on a watercooling loop is when:

a) Waterblock is not completely seated against CPU/GPU
b) Waterblock is not flat
c) CPU is not flat
d) Not enough pressure on the CPU/GPU

[WonderingSoul]

Most of the time when you see high temps on a watercooling loop is when:

a) Waterblock is not completely seated against CPU/GPU
b) Waterblock is not flat
c) CPU is not flat
d) Not enough pressure on the CPU/GPU

He's got it :beer:

[RIG RIDER]

Can you post some pictures of your setup so the folks here might see something that was overlooked or missed.

A couple of other things you might want to check.

Make sure you don't have any trapt air pockets ("Case Tipage")

Look for any kinks in you water lines (restrictions) Pictures will help to see the placement of your components and any problems that might be present.

[JenBell]

Ok so I so I HATE vista64....just to unstable for me...keeps crashing...32vista is so much more stable...switching back to vista32 then I'll post me thread like a wee lass...

[thideras]

Ok so I so I HATE vista64....just to unstable for me...keeps crashing...32vista is so much more stable...switching back to vista32 then I'll post me thread like a wee lass...This is probably not related to Windows 64bit, it is most likely the 64bit drivers. Everyone blames Windows first....:p

[JenBell]

Honestly vista64 is great but compared to vista32....its kind of late.

[Wispi]

The QX6800 does run hot. Think of two X6800's inside the same tight space. My QX6800 is water cooled, but it is very dependent on the temperature inside the case. My case has the Black Ice Xtreme radiator mounted inside the case and a single 120mm fan is pulling air through the radiator and blowing outside the case (near the CPU). So, I am running the system with the side of the case off and a floor fan blowing in (for now).

My idle temps are 50 50 46 46 (Core Temp and iTaT). At night, it goes down about 44 44 40 40. If I close the side door of the case and turn off the floor fan, then idle is 59 59 55 55. Full load with the side off and floor fan going is 66 66 62 62.

iTAT = Intel Thermal Analysis Tool

[JenBell]

Sry for Dposting...

So on vista32 it says that there the temps are like really high in TAT...intel util and coretemp...both reading like 61c on idle but it really hot in my room...like really hot as the AC is dead. I will check it again when its colder but I think that even though I reseated the cpu twice already the back screws on the waterblock behind the mobo might not be 100% tight. I will have to check this out on Friday now as I just dont have time at the moment. I set the bios to auto manage the clock speeds so that should bring the temps down as I will only be downloading stuff until I sort the temp stuff out.

Also...please dont have a go at me...but looked at the waterblock and it seems I have lost the screw, plast washer thing and the black cap screw for the waterblock...can anyone tell me where I can buy another set or something similar...diy shops must sell something like this...right?

OK...so before u point it out...my mobo screws are a bit loose and one of my fastening screws is lost...I know...my fault...

Sry...on a learning curve here and got a few ground saying that I am really learning fast...honest!

Anyways people...I will report back once I got everything secure totally and everything is in place meanwhile...

Where can I find another one of those 3 piece things, the parts u screw on to secure the waterblock on, its a spring, plastic rount thing and a black half nut like thing.

[WonderingSoul]

Where can I find another one of those 3 piece things, the parts u screw on to secure the waterblock on, its a spring, plastic rount thing and a black half nut like thing.

Any modern hardware store should have them.

[JenBell]

I managed to find the steel dome nut (black round thing that goes on the top) and the plastic washer thing. Only thing missing is the spring...any idea where I could find one...tried DIY shops...no one has it...is there something I can buy and take it from that?

[JenBell]

sry - dpsting....

So the waterblock is not supertight...100% sure...could not even press it down at all.

Temps are still high...I dont think the combination of a really hot room help at all at the moment...will wait for the weather to kool down before deciding what to do...idles at 60-62 on all cores running...so not happy...wonder if the time has come to go phase as the WCing might not be suited for me at all...

[WonderingSoul]

If you have enough confidence, do a hardmount (no springs). That will give the most pressure and is easier than dealing with springs.

[JenBell]

wond...thats what I did...totally secured and in place...everything is at it should be. I just dont think the WCing system is good enough...glancing over the phase options available to me for around £600-ish and take it from there...I can use the WCing system for GPU cooling when I upgrade to 8900GTXs...sweet...any know a good place for custom phase change in the uk apart from extreme prometia? I know they have the one I want but they are to expensive with vat added in....will search net forums to find someone I remember there being someone who made them and lived in the UK...Grey something was his screename or something like that....

[WonderingSoul]

Hmmm. Still though those temps are very high for just a CPU loop with a dual rad. Something is wrong in that loop.

What is your pump set to? Have you opened up your block to see if the pins are aligned correctly?


As for going Phase, I don't think it is worth the hassle to be honest. If you got the money, I'd get a Thermochill PA120.3 since they are dirt cheap in the UK compared to the US prices. Getting the best rad on the market I bet will show decent temp drops if anything.

[deathman20]

Man sounds like my issues with really warm CPU temps which I can't figure out why.

My setup is in my sig below my GPU tempature is GREAT and load on the GPU is cooler than my CPU at idle! I've tried many things and I just can't seem to figure out what the true issue is. For example your temps your giving is ~ the exact same as my system at 3.6Ghz which puts out roughly the same amount of heat with the Quad at stock.

[dudleycpa]

Jen - Phase is too extreme and too expensive. If your not careful you end up killing your hardware.

Deathman's phase unit was sold in the classified's last week. It was tuned for dual core not quads. If you owned that unit would you need to get it retuned every processor upgrade? I don't know and I don't know if that is even possible.

What about chilled water? Once you sort out the problem your currently having you could try that.

[deathman20]

You mean Dom's phase unit. Its not mine since the place im renting wouldn't even run such a unit with a PC and a few lights on probably.

[dudleycpa]

You mean Dom's phase unit. Its not mine since the place im renting wouldn't even run such a unit with a PC and a few lights on probably.

Yes, yes Dominick's unit. Sorry for the confusion.

[JenBell]

Been looking at the waterchillers…

The 150 model is too weak so out of the question. The 500 is the least I would consider but at £621-ish…its also expensive…is it worth the money? What sort of temps could I expect? Will be able to bring my temps down to say 20-25c range? Think about it logically…£600 (that’s roughly $1200) for chiller system that might not give me the performance I want.

Then there is the phase system. A customised system to kill the quad temps to –xx or something and cost roughly the same price.

The main advantages I see with the chiller is that using Fluidxp with it would mean that if my WCing kit leaked my parts would still be fine. On the phase water condensation would totally kill off my cpu and probably my mobo as well.

The thing with phase is that u can use something like silicon gel to further reduce the risk of waterCond. Dgrease could take care of the rest…interesting options….people…what do u think? If phase is overkill then justify the £600 outlay…£600 on a phase would be better no?

[WonderingSoul]

I'd go for a custom made bong cooler before going phase..

Also I'd look into your pump.. It sounds like something there. Or pull apart your loop and look at your WB.

[dudleycpa]

Jen

I applaud your intelligence and reason. Your argument is a logical one.

If I was you I would try something with water first. I am much too chicken to go water myself but, some of swimmers here seem to think that something isn't quite right. I know you did a hardmount and it didn't help. Why are things so hot? Do you have a thermo-probe to check temperatures?

Assuming that nothing is wrong is there a "ghetto" way to chill the water? Just to see if it would work. If it didn't you won't be out a lot of money. If it did you could decide then what route you wanted to go.

I really had no idea chillers are so expensive. I thought about a bong last night but as far as I know you can't buy a premade one. They take up a lot of space too.

One last thought - You said it is HOT in your flat. Can you take it somewhere that has air conditioning? IIRC A/C isn't as common in Briton as it is here(we Americans are obsessed with wasting energy) but someone has to have it. If your temps went down dramatically then we would know that everything is working properly. If that is the case water might not be a good solution.

Good Luck! Duds

[WonderingSoul]

Also another thing to consider is that you don't have good contact. IE; concave/convex IHS or WB. Check to see if that is the issue. I have no reason to see otherwise why your temps are so high:

#1 check your pump for speed and to see if it is functioning properly
#2 check the IHS and WB for flatness
#3 check to make sure your block is clean
#4 check to make sure your rad has no bubbles :D


After all this, THEN consider alternative cooling solutions :beer:

[JenBell]

Its decided...

Ordered 2x 120.3's and 6 fans...

This is what I am going to do....

res-pump-block-rad1-rad2-res

That ways all the heat is taken away by rad1 then rad2...rad1 will be using high cfm fans and the rad2 lower cfm fans all hooked up to fan controllers.

I think the mistake I made was that I never went triple rad at the first attempt.

At a minimum with the current system as a marker the triple rad will drop 5c off that gives me 10c minimum for both rads. From the current 60 to 50c minimum is Ok-ish but hopefully it should drop lower.

After that then its waterchiller followed by phase...I am so going all the way if needed.

I'll report back on Saturday hopefully when the dual rads are up....

Meanwhile...got to ask my neighbour for help once again...what bribe to use this time...strip show...lol....sry... :-)

[WonderingSoul]

Its decided...

Ordered 2x 120.3's and 6 fans...

This is what I am going to do....

res-pump-block-rad1-rad2-res

That ways all the heat is taken away by rad1 then rad2...rad1 will be using high cfm fans and the rad2 lower cfm fans all hooked up to fan controllers.

I think the mistake I made was that I never went triple rad at the first attempt.

At a minimum with the current system as a marker the triple rad will drop 5c off that gives me 10c minimum for both rads. From the current 60 to 50c minimum is Ok-ish but hopefully it should drop lower.

After that then its waterchiller followed by phase...I am so going all the way if needed.

I'll report back on Saturday hopefully when the dual rads are up....

Meanwhile...got to ask my neighbour for help once again...what bribe to use this time...strip show...lol....sry... :-)

Just ONE thermochill PA would be fine. No point in spending more money than needed.

If you do get dual rads routing it this way I think would be better:

pump > rad1 > cpu > rad2 > res > pump

[dudleycpa]

Its decided...

Meanwhile...got to ask my neighbour for help once again...what bribe to use this time...strip show...lol....sry... :-)

Jenbell! Let me get this straight. Your neighbor is nice enough to help you and then you get a strip show on top of it?:D I need a neighbor like that!

Back on topic...Good luck! Nice to see you have a plan.

[JenBell]

My neighbour is like soooo innocent...he really is like supernice to us.

My plan...simple...triple radsx2 then see what happens...get my hair cut on saturday and make sure my highlights look alright followed by a healthy dosage of divx encoding hopefully on my then temp stable rig followed up by posting my thread on my whole system...diary is kind of long...never had fan controllers before...should be interestingly fun...er...right?

[WonderingSoul]

My neighbour is like soooo innocent...he really is like supernice to us.

My plan...simple...triple radsx2 then see what happens...get my hair cut on saturday and make sure my highlights look alright followed by a healthy dosage of divx encoding hopefully on my then temp stable rig followed up by posting my thread on my whole system...diary is kind of long...never had fan controllers before...should be interestingly fun...er...right?

If you already bought those rads I feel bad for you... Check the things I said to earlier.

[dudleycpa]

Innocent? Coming from a follow Overclocker that's funny!

I look forward to seeing everything together. Maybe I should reconsider my fear of water.

It does sound like fun (at least to me).

[JenBell]

wond...going to use ur routing suggestion...makes more sense.

Also I am going to use the radbox to mount one rad outside the case...ordered tons of musketleers to make sure I get it all right eventually...now...hope got enough pin extenders for the fans outside the case...

Oh and with 2x triple rads with 6 fans in total...I set the fans to max and see what temps I get and slowly ease back to normal or quite noise levels and see what happens to the temps....alot of playing around to be done but totally doable in everyway. Also ordered some proper TIM cleaner as I have been using white spirit recently.