View Full Version : Crysis DX9 vs DX10 comparison
RedDragonXXX
05-25-07, 10:40 AM
Just saw these vid's today at taught it was interesting. Good news is that game still looks VERY good on DX9 and it's hard to tell difference in DX10 besides lighting effect.
Check it out for yourself (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2509)
I suggest you watch HD versions cause it captures much more detail. Click the link above and just scroll down once you get to the page. Should be the first two vids.
HOLY CRAP!
I cant wait for this release. it looks amazing!
:drool:
Thanks for the linky
RedDragonXXX
05-25-07, 11:18 AM
NP :)
I'm just glad that I don't need to upgrade to Vista.
Might also want to check this out. (http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1857)
Ummm.. the DX10 vid is WAY better than just lighting... its like a totally differnet scene...
when crysis comes I will be playing it on both OS in dx9 and dx10, vistas only real use for me if crysis was out today would be to do just that.
when crysis comes I will be playing it on both OS in dx9 and dx10, vistas only real use for me if crysis was out today would be to do just that.
why would you play it in both os and in both dx9 and dx10?
RedDragonXXX
05-25-07, 11:49 AM
Ummm.. the DX10 vid is WAY better than just lighting... its like a totally differnet scene...
Ummm can you even tell difference between these two:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8151/shot2sbsgm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
M$ wants you to believe that DX10 is WAY better so you can buy Vista, but judging from what I have seen it's not worth the upgrade yet.
I have a copy of Vista Business sitting in my closet. Had it running for one day, went back to XP Media Center the next.
i think dx10 looks a ton better. It looks better in some other pics i saw, but there is no comparison between dx9 and dx10.
why would you play it in both os and in both dx9 and dx10?
for obvious reasons of course.
for all the comparisons that are in question at the moment.
visual quality and differences, performance and the whole 9 yards. How better to draw a conclusion or find out if you want to know these things than to do it yourself :)
RedDragonXXX
05-25-07, 12:02 PM
I wish there was a bench test to see what kind of fps both produce.
jivetrky
05-25-07, 12:13 PM
To me the DX10 also looks a whole lot better and closer to realistic than DX9. (no not real life, just closer to it)
And I think it's a lot more than just lighting. I think it sucks too that I won't be able to play it on my DX9 card, but I'm not going to say it looks crappy just to make myself feel better. It looks awesome.
Ummm can you even tell difference between these two:
M$ wants you to believe that DX10 is WAY better so you can buy Vista, but judging from what I have seen it's not worth the upgrade yet.
I have a copy of Vista Business sitting in my closet. Had it running for one day, went back to XP Media Center the next.
Yes, I can see a huge difference. And the difference is even bigger in the hunter video..
for obvious reasons of course.
for all the comparisons that are in question at the moment.
visual quality and differences, performance and the whole 9 yards. How better to draw a conclusion or find out if you want to know these things than to do it yourself :)
Im sure there will be a million reviews when this game is released comparing the OS's and DX's
Dan0512
05-25-07, 01:02 PM
Ummm can you even tell difference between these two:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8151/shot2sbsgm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
M$ wants you to believe that DX10 is WAY better so you can buy Vista, but judging from what I have seen it's not worth the upgrade yet.
I have a copy of Vista Business sitting in my closet. Had it running for one day, went back to XP Media Center the next.
Yeah, the DX10 image is just a bit darker, with some motion blur added to it. DX9 looks as good when it comes to the important factors.
dan
Im sure there will be a million reviews when this game is released comparing the OS's and DX's
well in my opinion 99% of reviews are garbage
I would rather see your results
RedDragonXXX
05-25-07, 01:32 PM
Yeah, the DX10 image is just a bit darker, with some motion blur added to it. DX9 looks as good when it comes to the important factors.
dan
That's what I meant. There is difference, but as much as people say there is.
The motion blur is from a crappy SS.
Thund3rball
05-25-07, 02:02 PM
It's hard to tell because you don't really know what the two setups are like for specs and settings but in these vids there is definately a difference. However, the jungle fight looks pretty damn amazing on DX9 too! :drool:
Gabkicks
05-25-07, 02:10 PM
there's noticably higher amount of detail (smoke, rain, fire, lighting, shaders etc) in the dx10 part of the Hunter video compared to the dx9.
There is a slight difference with Dx10 having a more brilliant effect. However, with Dx10 there isn't that much of a graphical presentation difference. A lot of the benefits of the code is in the fact that it has more programmable features like Shaders, and the ability to process much more information more efficiently then Dx9.
To base your decision on whether to get a Dx10 card + Vista at this point would be a little premature. Especially given the fact that this is NOT a playable demo.
The difference in the hunter video is totally night and day. Whether or not it's worth switching to Vista will be an individual thing, but I gaurantee that once DX10 is in it's full stride, things are going to start getting out of hand with graphics solutions.
rantanamo
05-25-07, 05:22 PM
LOL@ trying to justify not paying for DX10 hardware and Vista. The differences have already been shown over and over, and Vista is a lot more than just adding DX10. I always laugh when I read this stuff. Vista is a much much different experience. Not just DX10.
I think the videos are skewed towards DX10. In none of the videos, were the two clips exactly the same. In the first hunter video, the DX9 part only shows the hunter making the loud noise, thats all. In the DX10 part, we have an explosion, and the hunter appears out of the darkness and then makes the loud noise. You cann tell the DX10 graphics are superior but not by much.
In the second video, Jungle fight... the DX9 part only shows the player going up and shooting some people, scoping and shooting. In the DX10 part, it's way longer, he throws a grenade, a tree falls, there is an explosion, etc. I think that alot of people will believe dx10 is much better because these videos are trying hard to show that.
Does anybody know if you will have to have Vista to play with dx10? I know someone mentioned earlier that he's happy you won't need Vista, but I'm still not certain. I have a dx10 card so I would still like to be able to try it.
SuperFarStucker
05-25-07, 07:33 PM
It's hard to make a direct comparison because the videos don't show the same thing, but I would say that the DX10 is obviously superior. Keep in mind that videos lose a lot of resolution information and fine detail so the effect of DX9->DX10 is probably even more significant.
The graphics are great on both DX9 and DX10 imo. There was a bit too much motion blur in the Jungle Fight, but DX10 really brought out the shadows nicely.
Does anybody know if you will have to have Vista to play with dx10? I know someone mentioned earlier that he's happy you won't need Vista, but I'm still not certain. I have a dx10 card so I would still like to be able to try it.
Same here. (edit: ordered a 8800 gts a few days ago. Selling the 1900xt)
DX10 seems to have better lighting...but I don't see any particular reason it can't be done in DX9 - perhaps a prohibitivly high processing cost.
Regardless, the improvements in DX10 are certainly needed if you don't want to see a fps drop between DX9 XP and DX10 Vista...
Well I suppose it only makes sense that people on XP will HAVE to use DX9 because there is no DX10 for XP. Bummer :(
leon123
05-26-07, 02:02 AM
After looking at that video I am pleasantly surprised. There isn't THAT big of a difference between the two. Like, I dunno that it would be worth upgrading a bunch of things just for the difference that was shown there. I am thinking that i might just stick with DX9 for awhile.
I am the only one watching the same videos? The difference is night and day. There is tons more foliage, lighting based off of the fire created from the grenade, moving shadows based on the lightning, the scene itself looks like one of them has half the amount of trees as the other ones.
I dont know why nobody else sees it, but I saw way more than lightning, there are a lot of differences.
Like was said before, Vista is more than DX10 and justifying an upgrade just for DX10 would be stupid. You should justify it for the other great things it has.
leon123
05-26-07, 02:36 AM
Sure, the DX10 does look a far bit better, but what I was saying is that the DX9 looked alot better than I thought it would. Now I wont feel too bad about waiting for another year to upgrade. I could run Vista right now with my computer, but it wont be necessary for me to get a DX10 card. After seeing this I am feeling that I wouldn't mind so much to just wait a bit longer for the upgrade. I think i would rather spend money elsewhere instead of paying a bundle for a difference in graphic quality that won't affect the gaming experience all that much.
Thund3rball
05-26-07, 09:17 AM
Sure, the DX10 does look a far bit better, but what I was saying is that the DX9 looked alot better than I thought it would. Now I wont feel too bad about waiting for another year to upgrade. I could run Vista right now with my computer, but it wont be necessary for me to get a DX10 card. After seeing this I am feeling that I wouldn't mind so much to just wait a bit longer for the upgrade. I think i would rather spend money elsewhere instead of paying a bundle for a difference in graphic quality that won't affect the gaming experience all that much.
Agreed :beer:
one thing I remember about Farcry was playing it when it first came out, and then over a year later with completely different hardware. I went back to it a second time, with the ability to replay on maximum settings. This is a game that I hope I can do the same with.
Oc1Kenube
05-30-07, 10:36 AM
I am the only one watching the same videos? The difference is night and day. There is tons more foliage, lighting based off of the fire created from the grenade, moving shadows based on the lightning, the scene itself looks like one of them has half the amount of trees as the other ones.
I dont know why nobody else sees it, but I saw way more than lightning, there are a lot of differences.
Like was said before, Vista is more than DX10 and justifying an upgrade just for DX10 would be stupid. You should justify it for the other great things it has.
I agree to a certain extent that vista is a better os for starters driver identification on a fresh install is sweet on vista,aero glass is cool and quite handy,the sidebar is useful but you can get them for xp too,security is tighter on vista.
But still no oc'ing nvidia gfx cards on vista,especially x64 which i have without a LOT of tweaking and ****ing about,but that will change.
UAC sux big fat hairy mammoth balls even after allowing a programme to run UAC still asks me every time to allow for example winrar to run and some progs wont run at all without running as an administrator manually even though i am logged on as admin!
As for crysis,it looks WAY better on dx10 even in those stills but it still looks very nice in dx9 although im guessing you are gonna need a dx10 card to get a decent fps in xp which is ironic to say the least
OC Noob
05-30-07, 11:18 AM
Upgrading an OS and video card at a $600 expense for 2 PC games a year just isn't worth it for somewhat improved gfx. Until Vista can offer me something useful that my MCE XP doesn't (that I will use) and the next gen DX10 cards are around $200-300 it can wait. Oh yeah, and until there are ATLEAST a handful of games that utilize the technology what's the point of jumping back on the upgrade tredmill like a zombie ******.
rainless
05-30-07, 11:40 AM
I got a free copy of vista laying around. (It really hasn't been difficult to get a free copy of vista.) I also have an 8800GTS 640 on the way. 32" HDTV? Check.
So DX9 vs. DX10 is a moot point for me. I'll install whatever the minimal config for vista is and run it dual-boot. I'll also need DX10 for Bioshock.
blueswitch
05-30-07, 11:49 AM
I agree with Tyreal's comment of having the clips skewed towards making DX10 look better...there are things they omitted from the DX9 clips, rain isn't a DX10 only feature. I'm not saying DX10 won't look better but it felt more like a DX10 ad than a comparison.
deathman20
05-30-07, 01:03 PM
Well on other forums people have brought this point up. We aren't 100% sure what they are trying to show in these pics, but a few guesses was that what they are showing in comparison to each other is what DX10 can do at the same FPS as DX9.
Rain might not be an effect of DX10, but it might as well only be included in the DX10 part of the game. They might have things totally disabled in DX9 that might be able to run but only allow it in DX10 for all we know.
TheGreySpectre
05-30-07, 02:02 PM
I don't think you anyone is trying to say that getting vista and DX 10 is nver going to be worth it, just that it may not be worth it ATM. remember a lot of people did not get 9700pros when they first came out most people waited for the 9800pro/5700ultra series of cards to come out when DX 9 came out. And that was when high end video cards were only $350 and you ddidnt have to purchase and operating system as well. I am assuming many people will do what they did with DX9 and wait for the 2nd gen cards.
yes there is a difference, is the difference enough for me to warrent buying a new card and operation system...no not yet.
Buying vista is for more than just DX10, it has tons of great features. It annoys me big time when people are like "oh that game sucks, no need to get vista now!!!!". As if a game is the deciding factor on upgrading and DX10 is the only feature of Vista....
OC Noob
05-30-07, 04:18 PM
Buying vista is for more than just DX10, it has tons of great features. It annoys me big time when people are like "oh that game sucks, no need to get vista now!!!!". As if a game is the deciding factor on upgrading and DX10 is the only feature of Vista....
So what is so great about vista that we need to run out and buy a copy of it for?
Hell, I'd still be running W2k if it worked with my 360.
I don't even know what Vista offers, but I'm willing to bet, based on the past, that its not that great.
Will it surf the internet or write my papers for me?
Any OS will surf the internet and write papers for you... but then where would the enjoyment be?
google: auto mouse
;)
Thund3rball
05-30-07, 04:33 PM
Hey guys the Vista arguments, oh I mean discussions... are over here.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=513032&highlight=Vista+Kicks+Butt
:)
jivetrky
05-30-07, 05:39 PM
it does have some cool stuff....and if the drivers for my hardware were where I need them...I'd be using it. Even if only for the minor things it does. But I will also say that if I didn't get a free copy of it, I probably wouldn't buy it any time too soon (until I got a DX10 card and game worth it anyway)
OC Noob
05-30-07, 09:20 PM
Any OS will surf the internet and write papers for you... but then where would the enjoyment be?
google: auto mouse
;)
I was being stupid, i meant will it literally surf the net and write my papers for me:D EDIT: errrr never mind, lol.
Seriously though, it probably has some cool features, but the only OSes I found to be a significant upgrade have been from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 and then Windows 95 to Windows 2000. All the others have added different things, but they were minor things that didn't affect day to day use much.
ps BOB was probably the greast OS ever invented, can't forget that one:p
blueswitch
05-31-07, 10:07 AM
If vista was so great why would M$ need to pull this "dx10 for vista only" so people would buy it...I've known several people who got free copies of vista and went straight back to XP because it's a pita....really I wish more games were openGL and then we wouldn't have to keep being victims of M$ stupid little tricks and everyone could enjoy these games not just windows users.
deathman20
05-31-07, 10:22 AM
To each there opinion but from my point of view and my friends as well Vista is far from a PITA, its much easier to work with and install than XP.
Redstone
05-31-07, 05:08 PM
I heard the same "the sky is falling" stuff about XP when it first came out. I'm sure the problems people are having will be fixed with the first service pack. SP1 will probably be out before the crysis release date anyway.
You all are assuming that your mighty DX9 card will even be able to run this game the way it was meant to be run. Watch the GDC Trailer, and all of that stuff you guys won't be able to run.
Here's how it breaks down.
-You stick with your DX9 card and XP, and you basically run a slightly better looking and much laggier version of Far Cry.
-You go up to DX10 and Vista, which you will have to do inevitably, and you enjoy the game right the first time.
Most people have somethinga against Vista, because they've heard poor things or whatever else. However, I have actually used it and it's not as bad as people make it up to be. By the time this game comes out, you're going to want to go Vista anyway.
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Neural Net
05-31-07, 09:45 PM
You all are assuming that your mighty DX9 card will even be able to run this game the way it was meant to be run. Watch the GDC Trailer, and all of that stuff you guys won't be able to run.
Here's how it breaks down.
-You stick with your DX9 card and XP, and you basically run a slightly better looking and much laggier version of Far Cry.
-You go up to DX10 and Vista, which you will have to do inevitably, and you enjoy the game right the first time.
Most people have somethinga against Vista, because they've heard poor things or whatever else. However, I have actually used it and it's not as bad as people make it up to be. By the time this game comes out, you're going to want to go Vista anyway.
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Exactly, the difference is huge, not to mention other additions apart from graphics, such as the physics based particle system (look at the Hunter vid). I will buy Vista and a dx10 card for Crysis if it lives up to all the trailers I've seen, I'd rather not play it under 9 because it'll just be half the experience.
Thund3rball
06-01-07, 12:45 AM
Exactly, the difference is huge, not to mention other additions apart from graphics, such as the physics based particle system (look at the Hunter vid). I will buy Vista and a dx10 card for Crysis if it lives up to all the trailers I've seen, I'd rather not play it under 9 because it'll just be half the experience.
Or it could be twice the experience on DX9 cause you'll play it on 9 and find it cool and fun, then upgrade to 10 later and be blown away at everything you missed the 1st time :D
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