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Coach3K
05-31-07, 02:20 PM
I've tried keeping up with different threads over the last few weeks since announcement of the July 22 price cuts came out. I've seen alot of "Woohoo!" and "Sweet!" comments about the price cut to the Q6600 to the $266 price point, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion of the E6X50 CPU's.

I'm going to be building a new comp later in the summer, so the price cut and introduction of these processor options comes at a good time for me. I'm specifically looking at a C2D, not quad.

The question is, what is the practical benefit that the new CPU's will bring?

I know the current E6000 series C2D's generally run at a stock FSB of 1066 (266) with 4MB of L2 cache. The new chart shows the FSB being bumped up to 1333 (333) with nothing else seeming to change. This results in the top 3 CPU's going to 7/8/9 multipliers @ 333.

This obviously will work well with motherboards that provide standard support out of the box for 1333 FSB, so someone who doesn't want to OC will just be able to drop their new E6850 in and run it at 3GHz without messing with anything.

But will these CPU's provide any noticeable advantage for those who'll use either existing high end Mobo's or new P35 boards to OC?

I'm just curious if the new chips seem to just be a good marketing ploy to bridge the gap to Penryn for non-overclockers, or whether there's a compelling reason to look at one of these new CPU's over existing C2D's if I plan to get a P35 board and OC it.

It's relevant now, because if I'm not going with a Quad or one of the new processors, I don't HAVE to wait until July 22nd to do my build and can get started a little earlier.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Mobious
05-31-07, 09:58 PM
Well, at $266, the E6850 is 5-10% faster than the $999 X6800, only difference is the unlocked multi's on the X6800. The advantage you'll see is obviously higher stock transfer rates thanks to the higher stock bus speed and FSB, but because the FSB is higher right out of the box that also means there will be a little better O/C'ing for the dollar as opposed to the 1066Mhz Bus (266Mhz FSB) chips of old. This sticky is a guide to applying a 1333Mhz mod to the current 1066Mhz chips: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=499340. What they found out is that with this mod, they were able to get a little more power out of the chip just by upping the stock speed setting of the chip. My personal fear is that these new E6*50's are simply the current Conroe chips with that mod built in. If that's true, we won't see an enormous increase over current chip performance, but they will be priced a lot better (E6600, 2.4Ghz, 1066Mhz Bus w/ ~3.6Ghz stable O/C: $225 / E6850, 3.0Ghz, 1333Mhz Bus: $266, only $40 more, closer to +4Ghz stable O/C), and will give more performance for the dollar (even if it is just a Conroe with a built-in pin mod). But don't feel alone, I too am waiting to get my hands on an E6850. Only time will tell how good they really are.

-Mobious-

nd4spdbh2
06-01-07, 12:13 AM
hmm get E6600 and put it at 1333 strap... WALLA a E6850

benbaked
06-01-07, 12:23 AM
hmm get E6600 and put it at 1333 strap... WALLA a E6850

EDIT: my bad, I read it wrong. :D

hUMANbEATbOX
06-01-07, 12:27 AM
^actually it would be the same multi, 9. 9*333=2997mhz.

these new cpu's are not worth it IMO. the e6850 might be $266, but so will a q6600. if you want a cpu with a 9* multi, then save some bux and get a e6600. who cares about native 1333fsb support? none of us run default fsb anyways. these new cpu's are nice for non-overclockers, because they get a faster fsb without having to do anything.

Coach3K
06-01-07, 12:40 AM
Thanks for the feedback.

Given the fact that I'm looking towards upgrading to a Penryn on a P35 board when they are released anyway, I suppose it makes sense to go with a proven E6600 chip, though I'll keep an eye on the other offerings, too.

hUMANbEATbOX
06-01-07, 12:44 AM
and you know, i would even recommend the e6420 over the e6600. its cheaper, plus the 8* multi will get you as far as the cpu will allow on air or water cooling. also some say that the e6420's are clocking a bit better than the recent e6600's.

Mobious
06-01-07, 10:37 AM
^actually it would be the same multi, 9. 9*333=2997mhz.

these new cpu's are not worth it IMO. the e6850 might be $266, but so will a q6600. if you want a cpu with a 9* multi, then save some bux and get a e6600. who cares about native 1333fsb support? none of us run default fsb anyways. these new cpu's are nice for non-overclockers, because they get a faster fsb without having to do anything.
The 1333Mhz strap allows for a bit more O/C'ing however (if you read the sticky, you'd find what I was getting at).
well, the 333 mod helps alittle for me.

for the last few days, 350 was the tops easy bootable speed into windows, meaning the speed that would work every single time, with no failures.

now, its doing 366.
not a huge improvement, but a small improvement is better then none.
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4921137&postcount=6

There is a bit of a performance improvement nonetheless, but we also have no idea how these newer chips will clock. For all we know, they will run cooler than the current C2D's and reach upwards of 4Ghz. One never knows, that's why I'm waiting and hoping they're better.

-Mobious-