Discussions on cracking are not allowed!

[Newbie_Doo]

This forum prohibits discussion on how to "hack" (crack) services (including ISPs), software (bypassing copyprotects), and other people's systems.

Please read and abide by the Forum Rules which are posted at the top of each page.

Anthony

[Genrou]

I'd like to request a rename of this thread. Hacking = learning about technology, software, hardware, etc. I believe what you are referencing is cracking. To say discussions about hacking are not allowed means increasing your voltage by modifying your mb, changing registry entries in windows to fix their error.. err defaults and using beta drivers to increase performance beyond what the vendors meant them to be would all be not allowed. An awful lot of people come to overclockers.com , and the forums looking for answers to questions. We should strive to not push false images about what we are about.

[el]

yes you are correct true hackers are good people like us who have fun and don't do illegal stuff. teh media also named illegal evil doers this so that is why he is using that term. I don't think you need to change the wording it lets the people understand not to ask where to download/use cracking utils.

[Genrou]

So we should just sit back and let our hobby be labeled an illegal act? This is what you are saying, because the media fails to understand anything technical, and microsoft wants to label anyone who doesn't suck up their pathetic excuses for software as subversive "hackers" who only want to destroy. Yes, if you continue to accept the concept that those who question why things work the way they do, and those who attempt to fix things when they don't work as being in the wrong, it won't be long until WE, the hardware enthusiasts, are the ones being targeted.

Edit -- Just to make things clear, it is currently illegal to remove any type of restrictions from media, no matter how weak, even if you own it and want to use it on "non approved systems" It won't be long until it is extended to include using hardware in a "non approved" way. So yes, this is relevant, but probably way beyond the original intent of this thread.

[el]

Might makes right! I wish people knew about the term crackers but it ain't going to happen. the stupid Media is just that and I don't think they will ever change.

[UnseenMenace]

I do not personally see a problem with the thread title even though I am aware of the difference between hacking and cracking, when someone mentions the term Hacking due to the media my thoughts now generally provide images of illigal activitys.
I personally do not consider myself to be a hacker even though I enjoy learning about technology, The term 'Hacking' and what it meant in the past however relevant or correct, the term no longer means that. The media such as the Press and Movie companys have changed it's meaning.

I believe that Hacking portrays 'negative images' and it is the positive aspects of knowledge and learning about hardware or overclocking should be promoted. Overclockers and hardware enthusiasts need to present a responsible and professional image to ensure that companys still support us and make the products we want and need. The term hacking is not often used by hardware enthusiasts or overclockers, when someone asks for advice regarding motherboard voltage increases they generally ask about 'mobo mods' and not 'mobo hacks'...

Hacking is a mis-understood term that now provides the general public with negaitive images and as such should not be associated with harware enthusiasts or overclocking imho

[trapper]

well seeing as this thread seems to be evolving in to a debate i thought i would add my 2p worth....yes we all know the technical differnces in the terms hacker/cracker and hacking IS the application of an individuals thoughts and ideas on an object that will stop/change or alter the behaviour of that device to stop it doing something you do not want it to or make it do something that it wasn't originally intended, Though the media has indeed conjured up the HACKER as some kind of evil computer villain from a 60's episode of batman , thing is who here really gives? they can say that oc'ing is bad but it seems odd to hear oc'ing even remotely connected to 'bad' ,
and for those of us who have dabbled and maybe even appreciate a good virus,
and the few of us who use utilities like 'softice' to reverse engineer software dont need the world to know we are not evil people, just people who (as some one has said) like to ask the who , why ,where,how and what of things, WE KNOW what we are and who we are and will always do so regardless of morals so just do your thing ,,,,,,
BUT IN THE FORUM there are RULEZ and even if we do not agree with them it is for no-one but the person who set out those rules to question the policy of the forum i have personally had experience of blatantly giving out hacks and diallups and allsorts blatantly on open forum and it all came to a sticky end for some SO WE DO NOT NEED TO KNOW WHY THE MODS HAVE MADE THESE RULEZ WE ONLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEM AND IF YOU LIKE THE PLCE STICK TO THEM

(its not like you dont get plenty warnings if you are a bit silly);)

[Newbie_Doo]

I named the thread for the 80% who don't know the difference, not the 20% who do. Yes, I mean cracking. In response to the request, and in hopes that all will understand, I will make the change.

Anthony

[Maximus Nickus]

Whats IMHO mean? To much:beer: today....

[Newbie_Doo]

Originally posted by nick_cw
Whats IMHO mean? To much:beer: today....

In My Humble Opinion

[Maximus Nickus]

Thankyou,

everythings becoming a lot clearer now...
IMHO of course!

[Mojoman]

Sadly that is the world view.

Hackers = bad.
Crackers = also bad (yet unheardof in the news)

Fear not - For they are the arrogant ones. Nothing can stop that.

Now let us end in prayer. :o

[Wa11y]

Originally posted by Mojoman
Now let us end in prayer. :o

Amen.

There are two reasons I think of myself as a hacker:
1) I'm a no-talent hack.
2) I use a hack-and-slash method to get my computers to work. It's not unheard of for me to use a hammer to get my computer to do what I want it to.

[CVW]

I am sory it was me :'( I never do it again, and i don't do that thing as a hobie, just stumbled accross it...

[Black Hawk]

yes, hacking is bad, but what most people don't realize the majority of people that can be called hackers either OC, or really break in just to send notes about security holes. (the white hats.) It's just the media that makes them look bad. I say the media was a creation of the devil, along with the following:

AOL
Microsoft
Enron
Burger King
Compaq
Let me repeat aol one last time, because I think that AOL is the means in which satan plans to rule the world. (joking...)

Black Hawk
Newbie:burn:

[Element-Xero]

hey i dont think you need to add the (joking...).

It wouldn't surprise me as a forced (parents) AOL customer for about seven years :eek: :mad: :mad:

Cable modem installation tomarrow :D

[Bmxpunk86pl]

Hacking is exploring networks with/without permission and of course learning as much as u can about how computer sciences to become as 31337 as you can.

Cracking is exploring networks to harm em.

[res0r9lm]

Originally posted by Newbie_Doo
I named the thread for the 80% who don't know the difference, not the 20% who do. Yes, I mean cracking. In response to the request, and in hopes that all will understand, I will make the change.

Anthony
newbie_doo hit the nail on the head but I don't 20% is way to high. just look at some of the post in this thread. By the way guys hacking has nothing to do with breaking into networks. that would be cracking. Anybody that has done a volt mod on ther board or has connected the L1 to unlock thier cpu.
and the use WPcredit to cool their computer at idle are hackers

Hacking is exploring networks with/without permission and of course learning as much as u can about how computer sciences to become as 31337 as you can.
Thats a bunch of nonsense both are cracking and immoral.

[Bmxpunk86pl]

dont judge something u dont know very well.

[Gr8Scott]

Suffering from bad press eh? People with different interests have much the same problem. People that like powerful dogs are suffering terrible scrutiny right now due to the dog mauling case. Columbine affected guns, music, and movies.

Wouldn't it be nice to see news reporters that actually got things right and bothered to become informed about a subject before they spouted off about it on TV? Have you ever sat down and talked with people that are studying to be TV broadcasters? IMHO, they are usually so pretty/handsome that they have never needed to use a single brain cell in their life. The only requirements for their job are to look good and speak clearly. Getting things right doesn't matter as long as they are the first person to broadcast it...

[Twinkle]

Originally posted by Black Hawk
yes, hacking is bad, but what most people don't realize the majority of people that can be called hackers either OC, or really break in just to send notes about security holes. (the white hats.) It's just the media that makes them look bad. I say the media was a creation of the devil, along with the following:

AOL
Microsoft
Enron
Burger King
Compaq
Let me repeat aol one last time, because I think that AOL is the means in which satan plans to rule the world. (joking...)

Black Hawk
Newbie:burn:

WHat do you mean Burger King is that best fast food restarant, way better than McDonalds...

[NBK19]

Alot of people use the term "Hacker" as a bad person ..
But alot of the Defining you guys did on the word is correct ..

A "Hacker" is good
A "Cracker" is bad

[Kafoopsy]

The word hacker was first applied to those how could sit down at a computer and hack out computer code to write a program. Only later was it applied to those who break in to computer programs or systems.

[Bmxpunk86pl]

NO DAMNIT! A cracker is a person who cracks software and such. A hacker is a person who sneaks across networks, doin whatever they want without being cought. There are three types of hackers, blackhat, whitehat, and grayhat. Im sick of ppl sayin that hackers are good. The only reason ppl say this because some sites like hackers.com have a bunch of idiots who want the title of "a hacker" but are afraid of the concenqunces (spelling?) and therefore rewrite the defenition of a hacker. Trust me i know this stuff, i hav been cought before doing this stuff, i have seen a lot of ppl get of loose, etc. Most of my neighhbors are hackers/crackers.


learning about technology, programming, etc is not hacking!! thats just plain, smack across the face, learning!

[Bobnifty]

i wish i knew how to crack :rolleyes:

[Kaneda]

blackhawk is damn close on this one, there are actually 3 different types of hackers, black hat, grey hat, and white hat...

black hat hackers are in thus crackers.. hacking for a BAD cause, grey hat hackers IMO are just punks who mess around with proggies and talk alot of trash.
White Hat Hackers, are the angels of the Hacking community. so when you say hackers, you are making a generalization of a entire community of people and most of the time one that is WRONG, but i agree with the old title, most people see hacking as bad. if the shoe fits wear it. the use of "hackers" is good for the n00bs and besides the point WHO CARES??? most of us here understand the differences so why argue about it, the n00bs dont.. so instead of having a million threads about b/s just leave it... it works..


Just My Opinion!

im not even going to reply to this thread again.

[Exar Jun]

About the only things I can crack are a smile and ...well... enough talk about restrooms.:D

[frodoski]

definition of a hacker:

hacker n.

[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

The term `hacker' also tends to connote membership in the global community defined by the net (see the network and Internet address). For discussion of some of the basics of this culture, see the How To Become A Hacker FAQ. It also implies that the person described is seen to subscribe to some version of the hacker ethic (see hacker ethic).

It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe oneself that way. Hackers consider themselves something of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new members are gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker (but if you claim to be one and are not, you'll quickly be labeled bogus). See also geek, wannabee.

This term seems to have been first adopted as a badge in the 1960s by the hacker culture surrounding TMRC and the MIT AI Lab. We have a report that it was used in a sense close to this entry's by teenage radio hams and electronics tinkerers in the mid-1950s.

Credit: Tuxedo.org

[frodoski]

Definition of a cracker.


cracker n.

One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker (q.v., sense 8). An earlier attempt to establish `worm' in this sense around 1981-82 on Usenet was largely a failure.

Use of both these neologisms reflects a strong revulsion against the theft and vandalism perpetrated by cracking rings. The neologism "cracker" in this sense may have been influenced not so much by the term "safe-cracker" as by the non-jargon term "cracker", which in Middle English meant an obnoxious person (e.g., "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?" - Shakespeare's King John, Act II, Scene I) and in modern colloquial American English survives as a barely gentler synonym for "white trash".

While it is expected that any real hacker will have done some playful cracking and knows many of the basic techniques, anyone past larval stage is expected to have outgrown the desire to do so except for immediate, benign, practical reasons (for example, if it's necessary to get around some security in order to get some work done).

Thus, there is far less overlap between hackerdom and crackerdom than the mundane reader misled by sensationalistic journalism might expect. Crackers tend to gather in small, tight-knit, very secretive groups that have little overlap with the huge, open poly-culture this lexicon describes; though crackers often like to describe themselves as hackers, most true hackers consider them a separate and lower form of life.


Credit: Tuxedo.org

[Mikey7]

This morning I tried to come to overclockers both thru my shortcut and thru Google and guess what: I am being redirected to UGO.com. I have cleaned my system as best I know how and the redirect is still there. I had to get here thru the mail links to the threads. Am I p@%#%$ed. You bet. Do I want to make them pay for this transgression YOU BET. I am one angy man right now. Any help getting this crap off my puter will be appreciated:mad:

[Exar Jun]

Mikey - make sure your a searching for and your links are to overclocker[S] overclocker takes you to a porn related site.

[Mikey7]

Tyhanks Exar Jun I was using Overclockers Iwasn't getting sent to a Porn site. It is a site called UGO.com a game and puter stuff site. Actually it looked like a pretty decent site, but they won't ever see me again LOL. I got everything cleared. Spent the last 2 days dumping scanning and flushing my system. i guess the housekeeping was needed anyway L. All ok now tho. Next my quest is to find the B!@#$%rds responsible. One more learning experience L. thanks again.

[Zigma]

i just saw this thread right now and i got to say that i do agree with Genrou.
hack·er1 Pronunciation Key (hkr)
n. Informal
1)One who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff.
2)One who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a computer network or file.
3)One who enthusiastically pursues a game or sport: a weekend tennis hacker.

now, number one i do agree with. number 2 should not be there, it should be next to "criminal"

cracking, its just reverse engineering. loading up win32dasm and a hex editor and modding a certain file to work the way you want it to be and its legal. but we should all follow the rules that are put in this forum. if you want to talk about stuff like that you can find diffrent boards that allow this. =)

[parkan]

Originally posted by Mikey7
This morning I tried to come to overclockers both thru my shortcut and thru Google and guess what: I am being redirected to UGO.com. I have cleaned my system as best I know how and the redirect is still there. I had to get here thru the mail links to the threads. Am I p@%#%$ed. You bet. Do I want to make them pay for this transgression YOU BET. I am one angy man right now. Any help getting this crap off my puter will be appreciated:mad:

Check your url spelling, one of the domain name grabber lowlifes might have registred a misspelled version of oc-forums.com. Also, run ad-aware on your mashine with the scan drives option and check your [wherever the windoze stores local DNS entires, in linux that would be resolv.conf] and see if some prog changed it to resolve oc-forums to ugo's IP.

As for the discussion itself, trying to explain the terminology to everyone and thier dog has worn me down and at this point I will allow others to carry on this debate.

[R3V3L4710N]

Big up Bmxpunk86pl ur totally right!

Hackers are not at all bad ppl! Crackers are the bad ones (and black hat hackers)

DrewBoOty has explained this masterfully! :cool:

Hackers are NOT crackers! Most REAL hackers are good ppl who inform system administrators of the loopholes in their systems so that CRACKERS cannot come and exploit them!

If any of you have read Ankit Fadia's awesome book,
'The unofficial guide to ethical hacking' ( www.ankitfadia.com )
then you will know what i am talking about!

Visit his website (URL above) to see the REAL meaning of a HACKER as opposed to a CRACKER!

[Kaneda]

its actually Kaneda now., but anyway Mikey7 bro you werent hacked. i had this problem also, resulted in hours of looking for the crap sh*t spyware/adware program that was doing this.

i found something like c:\program files\common files\ugo.*!2~ some crazy wack sh*t like that.. check for it...

[Mikey7]

Thanks Kaneda, Yeah some idiots have nothing better to do with their time than to screw with people. I finally got it cleared thanks to 3 days of hassle and lots of help from the guys here in the forums. Never did figure out for sure what it was but I suspect something similar to what you got only mine came in through Alexa. Funny thing though an ad aware delete wouldn't clear it. Ended up just dumping most of the system. Oh well I got lots of education and some much needed houskeeping. Always a bright side. Thanks

[Zigma]

Originally posted by R3V3L4710N
Big up Bmxpunk86pl ur totally right!

Hackers are not at all bad ppl! Crackers are the bad ones (and black hat hackers)

DrewBoOty has explained this masterfully! :cool:

Hackers are NOT crackers! Most REAL hackers are good ppl who inform system administrators of the loopholes in their systems so that CRACKERS cannot come and exploit them!

If any of you have read Ankit Fadia's awesome book,
'The unofficial guide to ethical hacking' ( www.ankitfadia.com )
then you will know what i am talking about!

Visit his website (URL above) to see the REAL meaning of a HACKER as opposed to a CRACKER!


now a days that definition is wrong. hackers are both good and malicious. Its just a matter of how you use the knowledge that you have for good or bad. the majority of hackers just "hack" for the fun. while others do very bad things. crackers, they dont hack, they arent hackers. you dont need to know how to program/write some l33t program to hack but to crack you do need to now some type of language or you just......suck. most people would agree with this, most people wont. if you think a hacker is someone who burns computer down to the ground then look up script kiddy or something in that area. :burn:

[UnseenMenace]

I Once did a web chat after a documentary with the legandary John T Draper (AKA Captain Crunch) who was a old time hacker/phone phreaker who worked out that a plastic whistle from a pack of captain crunch cereal could be used to access phone systems many years ago.
When asked what his definition of a hacker was and he seemed to be of the opinion that a hacker is now a youth who downloads applications from the internet and attacks peoples systems with the belief that they have skill. The reason he was of this opinion was that the majority of these people he believed did not discover the flaw or write the application they are using to exploit a system and in fact the majority have limited understanding of what they are doing.. they are just following previous knowledge.
John Draper was of the opinion that true hackers have now obtained different titles to call themselves such as 'programmer' and 'system admin' it is these people who understand programming languages and protocols.. it is these people who helped build the internet.. and this is what a hacker once meant... now it means someone who helps bring the internet down.

Seems fair enough to me..

[UnseenMenace]

if your interested the world greatest hackers are :

Richard Stallman
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson
John Draper
Mark Abene
Robert Morris
Kevin Mitnick
Kevin Poulsen
Johan Helsingius
Vladimir Levin
Douglas Engelbart
Steve Wozniak
Clifford Stoll
Linus Torvalds
Tsutomu Shimomura

Do you not agree ????

[Zigma]

you forgot al gore, he is a hacker because he invented the internet ;D

[Kaneda]

that pretty much sums it up, and Agent Steal aka justin petersen. good haxor if you hand him a book on how to do it. but a nark in the same. pure menace to the community but i do give him respect for finding SAS.

[Nico3k]

You guys take things too seriously... (the person that made this rule)

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by Black Hawk
yes, hacking is bad, but what most people don't realize the majority of people that can be called hackers either OC, or really break in just to send notes about security holes. (the white hats.) It's just the media that makes them look bad. I say the media was a creation of the devil, along with the following:

AOL
Microsoft
Enron
Burger King
Compaq
Let me repeat aol one last time, because I think that AOL is the means in which satan plans to rule the world. (joking...)

Black Hawk
Newbie:burn:

did you forget WALMART? satan IS the ceo... blockbuster probably belongs on that list too... :D:beer:

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by UnseenMenace
I Once did a web chat after a documentary with the legandary John T Draper (AKA Captain Crunch) who was a old time hacker/phone phreaker who worked out that a plastic whistle from a pack of captain crunch cereal could be used to access phone systems many years ago.
When asked what his definition of a hacker was and he seemed to be of the opinion that a hacker is now a youth who downloads applications from the internet and attacks peoples systems with the belief that they have skill. The reason he was of this opinion was that the majority of these people he believed did not discover the flaw or write the application they are using to exploit a system and in fact the majority have limited understanding of what they are doing.. they are just following previous knowledge.
John Draper was of the opinion that true hackers have now obtained different titles to call themselves such as 'programmer' and 'system admin' it is these people who understand programming languages and protocols.. it is these people who helped build the internet.. and this is what a hacker once meant... now it means someone who helps bring the internet down.

Seems fair enough to me..

wow thats pretty cool, i did a report on that guy once... not because i admire somewhat immoral acts but because his story is just a great one. that would have been cool to be on a chat with him.

[Kaneda]

adding a little sumthin sumthin to the 'list' above

"The best hacker in the world is the one you've never heard of."

[DDR-PIII]

Not even cracking under the stress of networking ?;) hehe... I know.

[ElectroSoldier]

I think we as Hackers or Crackers will have to face a fact, and it is this.
The media (news, movies etc) has turned the phrase "a hacker" into a bad person who for his own malicious purposes takes information that he/she isn't entitled to (such as hacking a bank to steal money or Microsoft to steal there new OS) and it is for that reason the public who either don't want to know or just plain don't care see the phrase “a hacker” and see BAD computer type person.
If you look @ a movie called War Games a computer hacker nearly causes a nuclear war, BAD and that's going back a good few years

It really doesn't matter anymore weather you label people hackers or crackers when it comes to public perception as that perception is “blinkered” by media terms and it is those terms you are arguing against and for now they seem set in stone.

Ask you mum or a NON computer savvy person what a hacker is and they will tell you, and I bet a weeks wages its a bad thing NOT Acing the FSB on your mob to get a 2000XP to run like a 2400XP, it doesn't matter what the English Oxford Dictionary calls it, it is a persons view that counts, even if that view is short sighted and miss directed in its inception.

$0.02

[bert202]

I recomend reading the article "How to become a Hacker" You can find the most recent version here (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html)

The first paragraph has a good definition of hackers and crackers and the article has a good definition of the hacker mind set. The guy who wrote this has been around since near the begining and has seen the term hacker evolve into it's current definition today.

[Rezin777]

Its great reading all the opinions stated here. So, I'll throw mine in the mix. This conversation can get really deep if you let it. First of all how can something be considered good or evil in and of itself. Don't we use the ideas of society to make that call. Better yet, we use the ideas of the majority. I think that has been stated here, just not really straight forward. Mass media forms the opinions of society (read majority) into whatever it wants. Doesn't that make the media evil? Seems like brainwashing to me. So if mass media is evil, wouldn't someone who fights them be a hero? You can see where I'm going with this. But, everytime I get into conversations like this I can talk myself full circle, where I start believing what I said before was false. So in the end the world needs all types of people "good and evil" to keep the balance of things. Balance is the key to making everything work. Whoa, sorry about the philosophy. Its 4.45 in the morning. Peace.

P.S. Any of you ever read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. Great book, touches on some of the ideas stated in this thread.

[PsYcO CyBrArIaN]

Since this turned into a debate, shouldnt we move it to debates and ccopy/paste the relevant sticky portion in this original forum.


;)

[Blueacid]

I think moving a post to a non-existant section of the forums might prove a little challenging for our mods :)

[crunkedup]

hey i think this thread talked about hacking/cracking more than any other thread! Nice job Newb DOO

[KfistoRok]

Originally posted by Bmxpunk86pl
NO DAMNIT! A cracker is a person who cracks software and such. A hacker is a person who sneaks across networks, doin whatever they want without being cought. There are three types of hackers, blackhat, whitehat, and grayhat. Im sick of ppl sayin that hackers are good. The only reason ppl say this because some sites like hackers.com have a bunch of idiots who want the title of "a hacker" but are afraid of the concenqunces (spelling?) and therefore rewrite the defenition of a hacker. Trust me i know this stuff, i hav been cought before doing this stuff, i have seen a lot of ppl get of loose, etc. Most of my neighhbors are hackers/crackers.


learning about technology, programming, etc is not hacking!! thats just plain, smack across the face, learning!

You are correct in all aspects. :)

What is the title of this thread again?? :o

I think the label "hacker" is pretty lame. When I hear hacker, I think poser. If you are claiming you are a hacker, nope sorry you aren't. You wouldn't be saying that, if you truely are, b/c you wouldn't want to be caught.

[Sophisticated]

Well a true hacker can also say he is a hacker and won't get caught because the fact that he/she is that good at it..just my thought's

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by Sophisticated
Well a true hacker can also say he is a hacker and won't get caught because the fact that he/she is that good at it..just my thought's

Except his IP is logged by this site and they have a written record of his claim. :rolleyes:

[tbones1337]

Whats wrong with the King?


also all you AOL haters.... Winamp is made by AOL/Timewarner (Nullsoft is owned by them)

[Tecra]

Originally posted by tbones1337
also all you AOL haters.... Winamp is made by AOL/Timewarner (Nullsoft is owned by them)
Right.....
Obviously, you use AOL (cough, cough) and you are attempting to defend it. For what reason I do not know. BTW, what does AOL have to with Winamp anyway? AOL is what it is. You should know, you use it. Winamp is NOT MADE by AOL/Timewarner, simply owned by them.
"Winamp.com is home to the beloved Winamp Media player. This powerful little toy was the brainchild of diabolical genius and self-made llama philanthropist Justin Frankel. Justin had but one goal in mind while coding the early versions of Winamp. He wanted to get laid. Once that goal was realized (thank goodness), Justin decided to give the player away so that the rest of us could find that ever-elusive thang known as amore. This was a daunting task and Justin was extremely lazy. He decided to bring new friends into the fold so that he could concentrate on his new preoccupation of staging revolutions in small third world countries. And so Nullsoft was born." - directly quoted from Winamp.com

Please don't misinform people of your opinion.
Here's a FACT: AOL sux :D

[diggingforgold]

AOL sucks for people like me. But for newbies I'll bet its the best thing to have ever taken over their computer.

PS dont forget this is a sticky regarding cracking... although aol may fall under the same "vile and hated" category that crackers fall into, lets not forget that you can always create a new topic on this forum ;).

[9mmCensor]

Humm saw this and thought it was about cracking... ie Cracking software.

My feelings that a hacker or a cracker can both be good. If you use your skills and knowledge for the right things, they are good. Nuclear bombs = bad. Engineers who developed the first ones went on to develope nuclear engery reactors to produce electricity = good.

They had the skills and knowlegde to build bombs, but they didn't.
Everything must be taken in context.

[Jarlaxe]

Holy ****, who gives a ****. This is the stupidest thread ever. Oh no he said cracker, did he mean hacker?? Boohoo STFU nobody cares. This thread isn't made to be replied to. "He accused me of being a cracker, although I'm a hacker, which is misunderstood by the media." OH GOD , like Maddox said:

[Syx]

Maddox is an idiot, he's like LOL ONLY I AM ALLOWED TO RANT ;)

[Jarlaxe]

I don't Syx, he still seems a lot smarter than you.

[ElroyCarbon]

Ankit Fadia?

[PhoenixMDM]

I just had to throw in my 2 cents.. That brings us up to almost a dollar now, doesn't it? :p

When I hear cracker, I think reverse-engineer-type-person, someone loading up hex editors to make progs do what they want, which in most cases is to get a free cd key or registration number or something like that. I also thing a food that goes with soup.

When I hear hacker, I think internet-based stuff usually, unless we're talking operating systems or hardware, which are usually specified. There's definitely the hat system too. White hat, I'm gonna find security holes and let you know how to better protect yourself. Black hat, I'm gonna find secuirty holes and have fun with them. Grey hat, I'm gonna find security holes and tell you, maybe for a price, but only after i've satisfied my non-malicious curiosity.

I also think of a guy with an axe.

...So are we talking about guys with axes and soup crackers, or what?

[elfiena]

let's all get a bit blunt axe and hack up that stomp in front of mah yard... look ma, i'm a hacker lol

[PoX Freak]

Although my views are'nt taken seriously around here as of late, Ill throw this into the mix:
Consider that when the apple guys built their first system back in 1978, I was in the 3rd grade, taking 5th grade science and 6th grade math. I became an enthusiast by 4th grade, repairing radio and televisions and stuff, usually making them work better when done.
I recieved my first computer at age 11, a timex sinclair with a tape drive. I had so many little program errors on that thing, i decided i needed to learn coding to fix the bugs in the programs. I almost consider that hacking in the sense that I was reverse engineering the programs, mostly in BASIC i believe, to repair them.
That was in 1983 (i think), before the War Games movie came out. ( I sound old now)

When the term "hacker" hit the street, the media found a new outlet to spew forth falsifications and mis-judgements. (IMHO) Therefore, people believed that the word "hacker" meant anything bad to do with computers.
The word "cracker" on the other hand, thats a new breed of people. Not the ones i remember as being the absent-minded people of the rural southeastern United States, but a type of person out for malicious activity and "snooping" for personal gains or devilish acts upon society and other things.

I believe I've added enough to this already lengthy thread.

BTW,AO-HELL has been hacking ever since version 5 software came out, yet millions of moronic, don't-know-any-better people still use it. Why? :shrug:

[Amarkarian]

Well anyway i refer to cracking as the act of cracking a nut

[lennytiger]

yes, hacking is bad, but what most people don't realize the majority of people that can be called hackers either OC, or really break in just to send notes about security holes. (the white hats.) It's just the media that makes them look bad. I say the media was a creation of the devil, along with the following:

AOL
Microsoft
Enron
Burger King
Compaq
Let me repeat aol one last time, because I think that AOL is the means in which satan plans to rule the world. (joking...)

Black Hawk
Newbie:burn:


Black Hawk this is off topic... but erm... your avatar... um well skip isn't nobody! He made the overclockers.com site and a built the basis that is now the forums, although we are owned by iNet interactive now. Skip still plays some part!

OFF TOPIC POST (BUT A NECESSARY EVIL)

[dicecca112]

Skip still plays some part!

For some reason the term god father comes to mind. Skip is a great guy, I never delt with him personally, I wasn't around when he was, but everything I heard tends me to believe that, and he still does post every now and again.

[Captain Newbie]

This policy should be amended to read...
Discussions on circumventing information systems security facilities on corporate, educational, or otherwise private networks, or discussions pertaining to piracy, are prohibited.

For users in the United States, keep in mind that corporate and educational networks reserve the right (18 USC 2511(2)) to monitor your Internet and network usage at any time while you are on the school's/company's service segment if they have a 'reasonable suspicion' that their network, information, or property assets are at risk. This is not an inclusive list and does not include the IAUP of any company or school. Recall that misuse of information assets may result in disciplinary consequences, up to and including termination and/or civil action. (Your IAUP may also include specific policies prohibiting the use of encryption or proxy servers. Use these technologies at work at your own risk.)

In other words...we (we, OCF) do not want to be responsible for it.

[lennytiger]

Agreed Cap'n.

There's been a few flames in this thread although they are a year old now, which I the involved should kiss and make up for ;) hehehehe

[lennytiger]

Let me add another perspective.

I buy a legal game from a retail store.

I decide I don't want to insert the cd/dvd every time I play the game.
So I go to a legal website and download the "cracked" *.exe which has removed the cd protection from the game allowing me to play the game without the disc in the drive.

While yes, this is an easy was to pirate copy a game on to multiple computers, it is legal (only if you own the original game), whats more is that this is referred to as "cracking" or "patching" a game, but most commonly called "cracking" it.

The terminology here should ideally be changed as "cracking" seems to give people bad vibes, and thoughts of illegal activities.

I could also "hack" the registry and remove the cd protection in some games. However I could also "modify" the registry.

Whether the word is associated with illegal activites or not really depends on the context it is used in, and more specifically, the situation in which it is used.

[klingens]

Since the DMCA these "patches" to allow a game to run without CD in drive are illegal. No matter how you call it

[lennytiger]

Then why are sites like gamecopyworld still in existence? Only because they claim to provide the tools to make a backup possible. The DMCA has been around since 1998, this site has been running eight years since then and no legal action been placed against them.

[klingens]

The fact remains: it's a copy protection circumvention device, so the DMCA forbids it. Dunno about the US, maybe possession of the device is not illegal, but using the device sure is.

[v8440]

A "Cracker" is bad


Kill whitie!!


I mean, crack kills.

[vt420]

To not in effect, allow open discussion of security in the "Internet, Networking, and SECURITY" section of the forum seems a little off. The only way to test security is by attempting to defeat it. Untested security is only security by faith.

Now imma gonna be a good doobie and follow the rules, but I would suggest renaming this section if actual security discussions are not allowed.

Jeff

[I.M.O.G.]

Jeff, I see where your coming from.

The forum staff here is reasonable. They are good at discerning the good from the bad and encourage helpful discussion. All the rules here are guidelines to help people "get it", they aren't all inclusive of what's ok and what's not.

Context of the discussion is what's important here. If it looks like your giving a tutorial on DDOSing that's not gonna fly, if it looks like your giving a tutorial on mitigating a DDOS and you talk about relevant issues, your fine.

The mods are people and we're reasonable, unless its a clear/intentional violation of the rules we will just give you guidance. Watch out for the admins tho, I'm pretty sure they are robots. ;)

[BobbyBubblehead]

*removed my post*
sinned I have apparently.
sorry.

(I in no way intended to do this forum any harm. Its a good place I shall respect them there rules!)

Just F*E*C*K* all places to relax and let your mouth off in the UK.
had all our DNA sold to a company in america.
Dont get asked if we would all like to send our family to get shot at.
And now every phonecall, text message and key stroke is logged and requires F*E*C*K* all reasons to poke threw by the man.
WELCOME TO PRISON UK
Americas next LOL
Big brotherly love is the 21st century plague and you fools are confused about smackin `n a crackin LOL
were all just cattle with a net value LOL
this planets doomed.. bring your kids into that one! LOL
feckin guff

sorry moderators. sorry guvernment lol (dont want to dissappear in the night!)... like a third rate Tibetan in there own country lol

[shotawe]

WHat do you mean Burger King is that best fast food restarant, way better than McDonalds...

MC DEE's are not worse than BK, noticed tat a triple whooper can kill a man in a month>?

[lobanw]

Ditto to the dozens of others members who have pointed out that those who use hacking for illegal reasons are typically not "true hackers". Knowing about the hacks though is important to keep things safe and we cannot develop new ways to protect our software, networks and file without knowing how people are trying to hack into them. Now if someone said " I want to hack into my girlfriend's webcam and watch her 24/7" then I would see where the discussion is deemed inappropriate . :)

[DreamerBrian]

Now if someone said " I want to hack into my girlfriend's webcam and watch her 24/7" then I would see where the discussion is deemed inappropriate . :)

...but if someone said "I want to hack into my wife's webcam and watch her 24/7" then it would be straight. :thup:

Brian