Best Graphics Card at the moment?? [Archive]

Cisco Kid

12-13-01, 12:05 PM

Yep I would agree, G3 Ti500 at this time for performance, then a retail 8500 for price/performance and it is very close to be honest but its a better buy at $100 cheaper

Cisco kid:D

GORDIE

12-13-01, 03:50 PM

Performance = radeon 8500

Price/Performance = Radeon 8500

I don't why some people still think the ti500 has better performance. After the new drivers came out the Radeon destroyed the ti500 in just as many areas as the ti500 beat the 8500.

check out the radeon 8500's Anisotropic Filtering. It completely annihilated that of the ti500.

bbolaro

12-13-01, 04:19 PM

I agree, the 8500 is the way to go for the best performing video card. It's as close, as fast or faster than the Ti500 in almost all regards and it's still got room to grow driver-wise. Plus, like everone else has said it's at least $100 cheaper.

RangerJoe

12-13-01, 04:33 PM

ok, i do like to side with the gf3 ti500 on this one...i dont know about you guys, but i like an expensive card to work perfectly RIGHT when i get out of the box, i dont want to have to wait for the company to get their issues together and fix them when i can get a great card for a little more that doesnt have problems....so theres my $0.02

GORDIE

12-13-01, 04:46 PM

Ranger Joe, I see your point but the the Radeon 8500's new drivers are pretty much flawless at this time. All of the major problems with he orginal drivers have been fixed. What you said makes sense if you bought the card a few months ago. At this time all you would have to do is stick the card in and download the latest drivers. You would not "have to wait",and like it was posted in another thread, nvidia has driver problems of thier own.

RangerJoe

12-13-01, 05:12 PM

i have heard that even with the new drivers...with smoothvision enabled....the card doesnt run as smooth as it should being one of the best in the market...if im wrong then thats my fault....but if not then i think it was a good/bad idea on ATI's part because they put a feature on a card that wont run well without driver updates.....thats just my opinion tho...not trying to start a huge debate

edit: forgot the good part of my comment.....so here it is.....the idea of what smoothvision does is really neat and i think what it will do is really neat.....so just add that if you please.....later

GORDIE

12-13-01, 06:06 PM

I dont want a huge debate either but I have the card and I have no complaints. I wouldn't switch to a ti500 if i was paid to.

GORDIE

12-13-01, 06:07 PM

Well maybe if I was actualy paid to but only than would I switch LOL

lordicon

12-13-01, 07:08 PM

i dig it when someone asks a question like this, it's like asking "what is the meaning of life?"
or "explain einstein's theory of relativity to me, in less than 10 sentences, with single syllable words"

:p

CeltyMcBagpipes

12-13-01, 09:35 PM

Some one can get flamed for this comment.

BITBOYS OWNS J00!!! hehehehe j/k:beer:

but seriously, ATi has done a excellent job with the Radeon, ok so drivers were messed up on first launch but hey nobodys perfect. I don't care to pick a side in graphics wars, cause competion is good and keeps a company from charging whatever they want for it.(curse MS) You can only buy whats best at the time you want to buy, if something comes out later that faster oh well, thats the price we pay for a constantly changing technology.

Snoogans

WeaponX

12-13-01, 09:44 PM

Well, 3DMark2001 did prove that the 8500 performed better, but I would still get the Geforce 3 Ti 500 since the majority of the newest games will be supporting Nvidia, not ATI.

GORDIE

12-13-01, 10:06 PM

I would think most of them would support both.

Cisco Kid

12-14-01, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by WeaponX
Well, 3DMark2001 did prove that the 8500 performed better, but I would still get the Geforce 3 Ti 500 since the majority of the newest games will be supporting Nvidia, not ATI.

The 8500 will supprot more features that appear in future games than the Ti500, so I think you are a bit mixed up in what you are saying.

vote for the 8500 cause at this time for $100 cheaper and with a decent driver the card now rocks and will only get better!!!

lovin my 7500

Cisco Kid:D

MADXJ

12-14-01, 12:31 PM

I paid $229 for my GF3 from NewEgg. Bought a Gainward GF3 Powerpack, came with DVI, TV Out, DVD player software. Currently running at 240/530 and scores 8286 on 3DMark2001 default tests. Good enough performance for me.

Maximus Nickus

12-14-01, 02:00 PM

Someones Ti200 hit 300/600!!!

juliendogg

12-14-01, 03:36 PM

8500. that's all i gotta say.

Torch

12-14-01, 03:54 PM

"... since the majority of the newest games will be supporting Nvidia, not ATI."

You need to do your homework on video cards, WeaponX. Both Radeon and GF2/3 support OpenGL and DirectX, the API's with which game graphics are (most commonly) created. Game makers don't build for a certain brand. Even so, since ATI is doing so well with the Radeon, and many folks are buying it because of the price point, new games will most definitely be supporting any proprietary features on both cards.

It's a 'clarification'.

lordicon

12-14-01, 06:31 PM

personally i never look at a card's scores on 3dmark or winmark or whatever, it's not like any of us play those progs, we play q3a and cs and games like that, if the card scores great in the games then it's better than the one that scores great in the testing progs

Kingslayer

12-14-01, 06:39 PM

8500. It has more options. It is the better performer. It is $100 cheaper.

The driver issue is just about null and void. The latest drivers have made the 8500 the top performer in almost every last realm.

Whereas the lastest nVidia drivers were pulled off the shelves because they were utter crap.

Akumu X

12-14-01, 07:28 PM

a bunch 8500 lovers in here eh?
it's a good card. ATI still needs to get the drivers our more frequently though...
but yeah it's a good card.
anyone know what ATIs next step is? we know about the NV25 and even 30. but what about ATI?

CeltyMcBagpipes

12-14-01, 08:03 PM

I saw on a site, that ATis answer to the NV25 is a overclocked raedon 8500. Don't know if new features are there. Anybody got info on it?

funnyperson1

12-14-01, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Akumu X
a bunch 8500 lovers in here eh?
it's a good card. ATI still needs to get the drivers our more frequently though...
but yeah it's a good card.
anyone know what ATIs next step is? we know about the NV25 and even 30. but what about ATI?

personally i hiope that the next set of drivers that they put out are as good as the drivers that original Radeon owners enjoy, and then they slow down the pace, why? because releasing drivers every 2 weeks is pointless....some people may say its Ti500 because of the memory speed, i say its because 500 driver releseases before it reaches its full potential :)

FerrariF50

12-15-01, 07:18 PM

funnyperson1

12-15-01, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50

yeah some games now have extra support only for Geforce cards...Which bugs me a little...

I do think its a good sign of change though that Serious Sam, Counter Strike, and some other games already support TRUFORM.....i think htat if ATI follows the trend that it has ever since the RadeonDDR came out, this NVIDIA sucking up will end, other good news, Powercolor and Gigabyte, are releasing ATI cards.....

FerrariF50

12-15-01, 10:11 PM

I don't know if I should start a new thread for this....But as you know lol I really want to play the game comanche4 but my system is really outdated.....

The specs for the game are really high

Recommended - Pentium III 700 equivalent with 133 MHz bus (4x AGP)

and they say that it only runs with Agp cards...well I have a pci Ati Radeon 32mb sdr...but I can only run at 800x600 and everything on low....if I run it too high everything turns white and my computer restarts by it's self..

But my real question is whats a allaround good video card for a "good price" I don't know about the Geforce3 Ti.... Plus I don't know what Video maker I should stick with... My Ati have not given me any problems not sure about Nivida never tryed them yet....but it seems like most games take more use of their features... And last a mobo to go with it that wont make me go broke and cry because it's unstable...

PS sorry for the long post..

Maximus Nickus

12-16-01, 05:26 AM

Look at the thread intitled "Best Vid Card for 100$", It seems that for $100 (sometimes less) you can get a ATi Radeon 7500. Its faster than a G2 Ultra and overclocks well.

However if your willing to spend a bit more then for $150 you can pick up a Geforce 3 Ti 200, some people are reporting crazy overclocks for this card, someone got 300/600, 8800 3DMarks....

Take ya money make ya choice.

What system spec have you got though? Is it adequate?

Nex

12-16-01, 07:54 PM

Is TnL as extensively supported by the 8500 as it is by the GF3?
I take it the 8500 doesn't have programmable TnL. Or does it...

FerrariF50

12-16-01, 08:19 PM

the Ati 8500 does not have a hardware T&L I heard like the Geforce's

funnyperson1

12-16-01, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50
the Ati 8500 does not have a hardware T&L I heard like the Geforce's

ummm where did you hear that? Every ATI card (excluding VE) since the original Radeon came out has had Hardware T&L.....

Akumu X

12-16-01, 09:41 PM

what's left of this horse is approaching the size of the space between the L1 bridges on an Athlon XP.

but it's not enough...BEAT IT BEAT IT MORE :D

we're gonna go molecular!! :D

FerrariF50

12-16-01, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

ummm where did you hear that? Every ATI card (excluding VE) since the original Radeon came out has had Hardware T&L.....

hmmmm...well how come my T&L does not look as good as the geforce's T&L?

funnyperson1

12-16-01, 10:12 PM

Well there are a couple of factors, you are running a PCI card, you have a Pentium II, and what are you using to judge the difference in qulaity....

FerrariF50

12-16-01, 11:21 PM

my eyes.....

funnyperson1

12-17-01, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50
my eyes.....

is this on the same system as you are running rightnwo with the same monitor? because almost everyone else i have known will say that the radeons have better image qulaity hands down...

FerrariF50

12-17-01, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

is this on the same system as you are running rightnwo with the same monitor? because almost everyone else i have known will say that the radeons have better image qulaity hands down...

maybe it was because I was running it in 16-bit color and at 800x600..... I can't set it too high or everything turns white....that game really needs some hardware to run... good thing I can get my new mobo in about 3 weeks from now..

funnyperson1

12-17-01, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50

maybe it was because I was running it in 16-bit color and at 800x600..... I can't set it too high or everything turns white....that game really needs some hardware to run... good thing I can get my new mobo in about 3 weeks from now..

thaty would definately do it, 32bit color and 1024x768 resolution is infinitely better than 800x600x32, i highly suggest you get an AGP card...

funnyperson1

12-17-01, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50

maybe it was because I was running it in 16-bit color and at 800x600..... I can't set it too high or everything turns white....that game really needs some hardware to run... good thing I can get my new mobo in about 3 weeks from now..

yes, thats almost definately it, 32bit color is a whole lot different esecially at 1024x768......i suggest you get an agp card....

FerrariF50

12-17-01, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

yes, thats almost definately it, 32bit color is a whole lot different esecially at 1024x768......i suggest you get an agp card....

Well you see the game Comanche4 is really made to be run with a Agp card Only...And not Pci...And haveing anything over 700Mhz is recmended.

FerrariF50

12-17-01, 02:24 PM

btw here is a screen from the game.... It really looks better then this crappy screen shot.

funnyperson1

12-17-01, 02:25 PM

well if and when you get an agp card, the radeons quality will whoop any Geforce2, only does the Geforce3 make up for the Gap but the Radeon8500 is still a little bit better....

FerrariF50

12-17-01, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1
well if and when you get an agp card, the radeons quality will whoop any Geforce2, only does the Geforce3 make up for the Gap but the Radeon8500 is still a little bit better....

Yeah but the thing is most games and stuff make more use of the Geforce's features and not Ati's i'm not sure what new stuff is on the Radeon 8500...But the Geforce seem to allways have "more" and then all the games say like in order to get this you need a Geforce3 and all that..

funnyperson1

12-17-01, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by FerrariF50

Yeah but the thing is most games and stuff make more use of the Geforce's features and not Ati's i'm not sure what new stuff is on the Radeon 8500...But the Geforce seem to allways have "more" and then all the games say like in order to get this you need a Geforce3 and all that..

this reminds me off how all the games SEEM to say that they want a PentiumIII and they never mention Athlon on htere thought the Athlon will play the game better....

FerrariF50

12-17-01, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by funnyperson1

this reminds me off how all the games SEEM to say that they want a PentiumIII and they never mention Athlon on htere thought the Athlon will play the game better....

lol I never thought of that...but yeah most of the time it runs better...