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SteveLord
06-20-07, 11:54 AM
Ok, this has been bugging me for a while now so maybe someone could help me understand this.
What is with all the hatred towards loading up a jeep with C4 and suiciding against other players/vehicles?
Its not cheating. Its not a glitch right? Its been around since the original Battlefield 1942.
So why are people so upset with it, that admins will kick/ban you from servers? Am I missing something?
IMO its far less annoying than people that use macro's the whole time - i couldnt help but laugh the other day when every other person on the server i joined auto-fired when dropping prone.
A lot of the fun in BF2 is gone for me, i generally play bf2142 now, and even thats having the fun erroded by quite stupid amounts of hacking :/
Ha_hA_HA!
06-20-07, 03:04 PM
I don't think it is considered a glitch or cheating or anything, although it can get a little annoying. Some people will basically complain about anything and everything that frags them (and they are probably more annoyed that they couldn't shoot you before you detonated). I have been playing infantry only for a long time, so it's not something I even think about. ;)
SteveLord
06-20-07, 03:10 PM
I don't think it is considered a glitch or cheating or anything, although it can get a little annoying. Some people will basically complain about anything and everything that frags them (and they are probably more annoyed that they couldn't shoot you before you detonated). I have been playing infantry only for a long time, so it's not something I even think about. ;)
I play INF ONLY most of the time too. But recently I jumped in a vehicle server, loaded up a jeep and creamed 2 of the clansmen/admins. They were super ****ed and threatening to kick me and I just couldn't understand why this is looked down upon so much.
I remeber in Battlefield 1942 I would get a jeep and go as fast as I can into another vehicle and bail out just before it hits so I kill the other person and stay alive. No one ever said anything about it.
Nothing wrong with car bombing, some admins are just cry babies.
I equate it to AWP banning in Counter-strike. Some people are just crybabies, and don't like to be killed like that. Or they suck at doing it and therefore don't want anybody else to do it.
It's just something you've gotta live with. If you want to do it, do it. If you get kicked you get kicked.
Burninate
06-20-07, 04:48 PM
I would say its realistic, which is kind of what BF2 is going for to some degree. And it's a whole lot of fun!
Mpegger
06-20-07, 04:51 PM
I never understood why anyone would complain or kick on things like that, just as with bombing/camping uncapturable bases even if you have all the flags. Its war for petes sake. You think the enemy is gonna take mercy on you and let you have free run of your own base?
TempliNocturnus
06-20-07, 06:45 PM
It's a suicide tactic minus you dying. Do you like people crashing jets or helicopters into tanks to blow them up? Sure they are realistic and happen IRL, and are also frowned upon, but BF2 is a game. Your country is not going to fall if you play the game and NOT use such desperate tactics. And no, this game is NOT war, it's a game.
Mpegger
06-20-07, 07:28 PM
Its a war game. The main objective is to win against the opposing side by any means possible. Either by being underhanded, deceptive, creative, skillful, tactically superior, or just plain suicidal, you do whatever it takes to win. After all, it is just a game.
Personally, I dont do the car bombing myself, and could care less if a opposing player does it to me. Its part of the game, and if thats what it takes to win, then so be it.
It's a suicide tactic minus you dying. Do you like people crashing jets or helicopters into tanks to blow them up? Sure they are realistic and happen IRL, and are also frowned upon, but BF2 is a game. Your country is not going to fall if you play the game and NOT use such desperate tactics. And no, this game is NOT war, it's a game.
So you are saying I shouldn't have been driving my jeep into the enemy? Why not? They would end up dead same if I had shot them.
When I played Desert Combat competitively, my team was playing the #1 team in the game, and we didn't have a very good pilot at the time, so we just crashed all our jets into their tanks and ended up doing pretty well :P
534nMCp633
06-20-07, 08:19 PM
IMO, people shouldnt complain about anything that isnt cheating/glitching/exploiting.
Mpegger
06-20-07, 08:24 PM
IMO, people shouldnt complain about anything that isnt cheating/glitching/exploiting.
So would it be ok to complain if someone cartilleried your dog in Monopoly? :p
So would it be ok to complain if someone cartilleried your dog in Monopoly? :p
I don't understand how you even have a dog in Monopoly? I'm very confused :confused: :confused:
SuperDave1685
06-20-07, 08:46 PM
man oh, man! I love cartillery! I've gotten booted from quite a few servers for killing the clan members whose server it is, esp the admins. What a bunch of crybabies! I love it when you ram a APC of vodnik thats cramed full. lol. 8 points right there in one boom! :D
SteveLord
06-20-07, 08:53 PM
Sometimes I like just rushing crowds, tossing C4 everywhere and trying to detonate as soon as possible...whether i survive or not. and doing that isnt exactly easy in BF2...considering how clumsy the controls are switching between C4 and detonator.
on a side note...does the commander dropping vehicles qualify as cartillery also? cuz someone else mentioned that to me.
twEEkerAreUs
06-20-07, 09:49 PM
I was famous in BF1942 for car bombing, good old engineer with mines and C4 ftw. Anyone who complains needs to learn to get away from moving cars lol.
p3rnicious
06-20-07, 09:55 PM
It's very realistic if it's the MEC team doing it. Reminds me of my second home.
chevro1et
06-21-07, 09:56 AM
on a side note...does the commander dropping vehicles qualify as cartillery also? cuz someone else mentioned that to me.
That is what I thought the definition of 'cartillery' was... a few patches ago, there was a glitch where the commander could make it literally 'rain' jeeps... prolly can still see the screenies in some older BF2 threads.
Neural Net
06-21-07, 10:23 AM
War is not about winning by any means neccessary, people who say that are naive and understand nothing about the nature of war in modern times, if you believe that kind of nonsense you belong in the Somme, then you'll probably think differently.
The car bombing thing is probably a result of Western hatred toward those tactics used by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have noticed pretty much no one car bombs in the game anymore, because it is a particularly stupid and dishonourable method of attack. It takes absolutely no tactics whatsoever and you risk being labelled a dirty terrorist as a result. :p
I seriously wonder what noob servers you guys go on considering I've been on a lot of different ones as of late (the most popular 64 player servers) and none of them allow or none of the players car bomb, it's usually pointless as a good tank driver is going to spot you easily anyway.
Mpegger
06-21-07, 10:40 AM
Your missing the point about this being a war game. Having served in the military during wartime, I do understand the nature of war, and have the same feelings that car bombings, suicide bombings, and other "dishonorable" acts are frowned upon in real life. But this isnt real life, is it?
And since when is war not about winning by any means necessary? How many times have cease fires because of mutual religious holidays such as Christmas, been broken on both sides of a war in order to ensure thier victory over the other? American Revolutionary War? WW1? WWII? I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that would find that reprehensible for either side to perform, yet its been done so many times throughout history.
Anyway, as I've said, it a game based on war. So long as no ones cheating in the game, alls fair. Dont cry cause you keep getting wasted by the same sniper that you cant find. Dont complain when you get blown up by C4 left in a vehicle you hop into. Dont whine when the enemy is pounding your lone base so badly you die on respawn. Round 2 is just a few minutes away. :beer:
its not an issue in bf2142....pilum + emp and motion mines = no vehicles :D
bf2 just stay off the road and your generally fine...its the nade spamming and claymore littering that annoy me (as well as macros as iv already said).
The BF2 clan I play in specifically forbids bunnyhopping/dolphin diving, c4 jumping and claymore littering during matches.
SteveLord
06-21-07, 11:50 AM
War is not about winning by any means neccessary, people who say that are naive and understand nothing about the nature of war in modern times, if you believe that kind of nonsense you belong in the Somme, then you'll probably think differently.
The car bombing thing is probably a result of Western hatred toward those tactics used by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have noticed pretty much no one car bombs in the game anymore, because it is a particularly stupid and dishonourable method of attack. It takes absolutely no tactics whatsoever and you risk being labelled a dirty terrorist as a result. :p
I seriously wonder what noob servers you guys go on considering I've been on a lot of different ones as of late (the most popular 64 player servers) and none of them allow or none of the players car bomb, it's usually pointless as a good tank driver is going to spot you easily anyway.
The people against it has nothing to do with hatred toward those tactics in real life. Its a bunch of babies that hate getting killed because they were too dumb to kill you before doing it, or they had their backs turned.
Are you against Snipers doing suicide claymore drops too? All you do is drop them and thats it. They blow up for you automatically. With C4 you have to get a vehicle, load it up, drive it to a target without being killed, get out of the vehicle, run/dont run, and then detonate.
And trust me...the people who complain the most are the ones who "think" they are so good.
Neural Net
06-21-07, 05:29 PM
Your missing the point about this being a war game. Having served in the military during wartime, I do understand the nature of war, and have the same feelings that car bombings, suicide bombings, and other "dishonorable" acts are frowned upon in real life. But this isnt real life, is it?
And since when is war not about winning by any means necessary? How many times have cease fires because of mutual religious holidays such as Christmas, been broken on both sides of a war in order to ensure thier victory over the other? American Revolutionary War? WW1? WWII? I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that would find that reprehensible for either side to perform, yet its been done so many times throughout history.
Anyway, as I've said, it a game based on war. So long as no ones cheating in the game, alls fair. Dont cry cause you keep getting wasted by the same sniper that you cant find. Dont complain when you get blown up by C4 left in a vehicle you hop into. Dont whine when the enemy is pounding your lone base so badly you die on respawn. Round 2 is just a few minutes away. :beer:
I don't complain because I'm pretty good at the game, but the game is based on modern war and war has rules and limits, comparing a modern war to say WW1 or 2 is ridiculous and is a completely different situation, have you read the laws of armed conflict? This is where I am coming from, I studied armed conflicts for my degree, and whilst at the tactical level all means neccessary could apply, there are still regulations and limits placed upon a soldier (well not all soldiers) in modern times, and even more limitations placed at the strategic and operational levels.
As it is a war game and called modern combat, it is designed to emulate current wars, so the tactics used should be similar to real life, no US forces would use a car bomb, and it shouldn't bear a resemblance to past wars, as they were very different.
Back to the game specifically, I often feel sorry for snipers as they're too easy to spot, and the SA80 can often kill them at the ranges you see them. Car bombing I don't agree with, but it's easy to handle, as I said I haven't seen it being done because it is very easy to stop such a tactic, Humvees are pretty hard to miss after all. Claymores are easy enough to avoid also, you just have to look at the ground every once in a while. Interesting how people think the victims are noobs when really, they're noobish tactics to begin with, and not a problem for a player that has any clue what he or she is doing, i.e. going around in a squad.
Anyone familiar with the grenade frenzies at the beginning of some urban levels? Now that's a bit annoying, but fun nonetheless. :beer:
Ha_hA_HA!
06-21-07, 07:29 PM
...have you read the laws of armed conflict? This is where I am coming from, I studied armed conflicts for my degree, and whilst at the tactical level all means neccessary could apply, there are still regulations and limits placed upon a soldier (well not all soldiers) in modern times, and even more limitations placed at the strategic and operational levels.
As it is a war game and called modern combat, it is designed to emulate current wars, so the tactics used should be similar to real life, no US forces would use a car bomb, and it shouldn't bear a resemblance to past wars, as they were very different.
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Are you suggesting that only MEC forces should be allowed to use car bombs? :) It seems to me that in modern conflicts, only one side typically follows the 'laws' of war (if that) as the other side usually consists of 'insurgents' who could care less about the rules of war.
Really, these games will probably never be accurate representations of any real conflict. Aside from the near impossibility of including every weapon/vehicle, who wants to play a game that you can only play once, or that causes you to lose a limb (besides soldiers)?
Sorry, I couldn't resist :p
SteveLord
06-21-07, 09:10 PM
Its a game...you play to win. Preferably in legitimate ways...in which this tactic is.
Neural Net
06-22-07, 02:49 AM
Are you suggesting that only MEC forces should be allowed to use car bombs? :) It seems to me that in modern conflicts, only one side typically follows the 'laws' of war (if that) as the other side usually consists of 'insurgents' who could care less about the rules of war.
Really, these games will probably never be accurate representations of any real conflict. Aside from the near impossibility of including every weapon/vehicle, who wants to play a game that you can only play once, or that causes you to lose a limb (besides soldiers)?
Sorry, I couldn't resist :p
No your right, if the game were accurate, only MEC forces would be able to use car bombs. Then again they wouldn't in the context of this game because all combatants are clearly marked soldiers and are in fact following the 'proper' rules as it were. If say the conflict was in a city populated by non-combatants as well, i.e. civilians, then you could expect car bombs, due to the different nature of the warfare. As it is, the MEC forces in BF2 are in fact fighting in lines with similar kind of rules as Western militaries are governed by. That's if you want to get picky. ;)
So yeh you're right, but if you carbomb, I'm still gonna call you a dirty terrorist over the VOIP. :p :beer:
>HyperlogiK<
06-22-07, 09:27 AM
What about vehicle stealing, I have been kicked a few times for that and I don't understand it. For me sneaking into the enemy base, C4ing a few things and then stealing a tank to cause mayhem on my way out is one of the most enjoyable tactics to use in the game.
Neural Net
06-22-07, 10:25 AM
What about vehicle stealing, I have been kicked a few times for that and I don't understand it. For me sneaking into the enemy base, C4ing a few things and then stealing a tank to cause mayhem on my way out is one of the most enjoyable tactics to use in the game.
That I don't understand, unless you're getting in a tank, and killing them as soon as they spawn, which would be terrible (:p) then it seems perfectly legit. If you drive off with the tank, which is arguably more effective (reducing the no. of vehicles they have and adding to your own teams firepower), and use it in the battlefield, then credit to ya, but hanging round their main base picking off defenseless spawners renders the game pointless, no matter if it's fun for you, it's meant to be fun all round. :)
Mpegger
06-22-07, 01:49 PM
Geebuz. I'd hate to be in a real war along side you. Your the type that would go around kissing the enemies boo-boos and giving them flowers if he happens to scrape himself falling to the ground, meanwhile your squad mates are getting riddled with bullets just around the corner...
I'm surprised you didnt say that BF2 sould actually be played with just fist and knock-outs, no kills, that way no one gets hurt, poor things.... :p
Neural Net
06-22-07, 03:50 PM
Geebuz. I'd hate to be in a real war along side you. Your the type that would go around kissing the enemies boo-boos and giving them flowers if he happens to scrape himself falling to the ground, meanwhile your squad mates are getting riddled with bullets just around the corner...
I'm surprised you didnt say that BF2 sould actually be played with just fist and knock-outs, no kills, that way no one gets hurt, poor things.... :p
:rolleyes: And you sound like some Southern American that's likes nothing more than to shoot stuff, torture any living thing that you don't agree with and forget any values that actually make your life what it is. War is dirty, but that doesn't mean it's not without rules, and if you don't believe that, you're no better than a terrorist. :p
Burninate
06-22-07, 04:25 PM
:rolleyes: And you sound like some Southern American that's likes nothing more than to shoot stuff, torture any living thing that you don't agree with and forget any values that actually make your life what it is. War is dirty, but that doesn't mean it's not without rules, and if you don't believe that, you're no better than a terrorist. :p
Wow, that's borderline offensive 8/ Either way, if it's so easy to counter-act by any experienced player, shouldn't it just be one more easy kill for you? Why are you passionately against this tactic IN GAME? I know is a dirty tactic in real life and no one disagrees with that, but why such the big deal if someone does this in the game?
Mpegger
06-22-07, 05:13 PM
Wow, that's borderline offensive 8/ Either way, if it's so easy to counter-act by any experienced player, shouldn't it just be one more easy kill for you? Why are you passionately against this tactic IN GAME? I know is a dirty tactic in real life and no one disagrees with that, but why such the big deal if someone does this in the game?
Thats what I keep pointing out, yet somehow keep failing in making my point. :eh?:
BF2 is not real life. Its a game. A war game. You play to win. This isnt checkers. What you see in game, is representations of military personnel and vehicles. Its is not the actual US vs the World. It isnt Terrorist vs You. Its Team A vs Team B in a no holds barred fight to the bloody win.
There are no rules that say you have to ask permission to take a enemy vehicle.
No one will wave thier finger "no-no" to you because you run over a few people in a jeep thats meant to get you from point A to B.
Mowing down enemy troops who are on foot with a AA vehicle will not result in a stern talking to because it was really designed to take down aircraft.
You wont get smacked on the back of your wrist with a wooden ruler just because you kill someone who's bad luck had them spawn directly in front of you.
The church wont excommunicate you for letting a chopper fall on a opponent instead of safely crashing it away from them.
You wont be put in jail for killing someone whos afk or in the middle of typing.
God wont kill a kitten everytime you C4 yourself and a few enemy players.
You wont be hanged for treason for shooting someone who got in your line of fire.
The United Nations wont hold you accountable for war crimes cause you knifed a few snipers in thier backs instead of capturing them as POWs.
I mean, after all, it is just a war game. :rolleyes:
maelstromracing
06-22-07, 05:39 PM
restricting which vehicles players can use is against the ROE.
Neural Net
06-22-07, 08:06 PM
Yeh, a war game designed to imitate real life, which is why it's fun...
Seriously, haven't you guys got that I'm pulling your leg(s) yet? Too easy! And yes you're easy points. :beer:
Fathom1990
06-23-07, 02:56 AM
That I don't understand, unless you're getting in a tank, and killing them as soon as they spawn, which would be terrible (:p) then it seems perfectly legit. If you drive off with the tank, which is arguably more effective (reducing the no. of vehicles they have and adding to your own teams firepower), and use it in the battlefield, then credit to ya, but hanging round their main base picking off defenseless spawners renders the game pointless, no matter if it's fun for you, it's meant to be fun all round. :)
No I agree that you shouldn't hang around, but some people seem to think that you should spoil an open ended game such as BF2 by reducing it to a squad vs. squad shooting match. While you should play in such a manner as to be anticompetitive, clever and underhanded tactics should be what the game is about.
Neural Net
06-23-07, 06:51 AM
No I agree that you shouldn't hang around, but some people seem to think that you should spoil an open ended game such as BF2 by reducing it to a squad vs. squad shooting match. While you should play in such a manner as to be anticompetitive, clever and underhanded tactics should be what the game is about.
True, just not dirty terrorist suicide tactics *looks at certain people* ahem. :p
Anyway when you're a spec ops you're meant to go into the enemy base, you have c4 to blow up their artillery and radar stations up after all. :)
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