Single core 2.... Celeron-L

[Joeteck]

link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343%201389627502%201051707842%20105151943 4%201050929160&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819116040%2CN82E16819116039% 2CN82E16819116038)

[hUMANbEATbOX]

yes and?

:)

[Joeteck]

Just came out, and Intel's website has nothing about it.....

No need for Pentium D, or the Pentium 4 any longer....

This is a Pentium 4 replacement... ;)


Perfect for the person who wants to go core 2 duo, but do not have the funds yet...

Can get all the parts plus a $60 CPU...

[hUMANbEATbOX]

i agree. :)

but i didn't know what you were trying to say with this thread, just going by the first post.

i've been linking ppl to conroe-l's at newegg for a few days now. they look like great budget cpu's, probably a lot of fun for the money.

[GTengineer]

not bad but aren't the E21XX's well below $100 too? (I cant find them at the egg).

[hUMANbEATbOX]

i think about $80 for the e2140. $45 for a 420.

*edit* yep: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037

[Joeteck]

i think about $80 for the e2140. $45 for a 420.

*edit* yep: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037


The e2140 is a Pentium, not a core 2...big difference... Says Pentium right on the box.

So its like a Pentium D essentially.

[TheCheat]

The e2140 is a Pentium, not a core 2...big difference... Says Pentium right on the box.

So its like a Pentium D essentially.

The e2140 is based off the conroe core, but with less cache, 1 meg if im not mistaken.

[GTengineer]

The e2140 is based off the conroe core, but with less cache, 1 meg if im not mistaken.

Agreed but I thought it was based on the Allendale?

EDIT: No, I think you are right .... Conroe architecture

[nd4spdbh2]

Agreed but I thought it was based on the Allendale?

EDIT: No, I think you are right .... Conroe architecture


conroe and allendale = core 2 arcitecture... all the same... just allendales are native 2mb chache where as conroes are native 4mb chache.

IMO an E2140 is the ultimate budge chip... dual core, essentially a E4300 minus 200mhz and 1mb of chache.

[hUMANbEATbOX]

The e2140 is a Pentium, not a core 2...big difference... Says Pentium right on the box.

So its like a Pentium D essentially.
they call it a pentium, but it is a core 2 duo with 1mb total cache, so 512kb each core.

i'm not sure if they are allendale, and just have half of the cache disabled, or if they have a native 1mb total cache. i would guess they are allendale for now, but i'm sure intel will come out with a new core soon that IS native 2x512kb.

[nd4spdbh2]

they call it a pentium, but it is a core 2 duo with 1mb total cache, so 512kb each core.

i'm not sure if they are allendale, and just have half of the cache disabled, or if they have a native 1mb total cache. i would guess they are allendale for now, but i'm sure intel will come out with a new core soon that IS native 2x512kb.


im sure they will... but it wouldnt be 512kb each core... as the way the cache is on a C2D or core 2 arcitecture is that its shared between cores.

[inkfx]

According to the newegg specs it's an Allendale. And is there even a difference in performance if one chip has it "disabled" and the other is "native"? I know L2s OCed worse than the B2 but performance is the same. So what does it matter?

[hUMANbEATbOX]

According to the newegg specs it's an Allendale. And is there even a difference in performance if one chip has it "disabled" and the other is "native"? I know L2s OCed worse than the B2 but performance is the same. So what does it matter?
well, yeah, it does if one chip oc's better ;)

that factors into performance.

as fas as stock clocks, then really no diff..

im sure they will... but it wouldnt be 512kb each core... as the way the cache is on a C2D or core 2 arcitecture is that its shared between cores.
ahh yes, sorry :)

[inkfx]

well, yeah, it does if one chip oc's better ;)

that factors into performance.

as fas as stock clocks, then really no diff..
I meant clock for clock. Of course one chip OCed higher is gonna do better..

[hUMANbEATbOX]

I meant clock for clock. Of course one chip OCed higher is gonna do better..
of course i knew what you meant. ;)

but clock for clock doesn't really mean much IMO, unless we are comparing totally diff architectures. when comparing the same arch, i think the bottom line is, "what clocks higher and at what volts and temps".

[Jhonas]

Intel used the Pentium brand because people who don't know computer know Pentium as a brand name. Sounds good as a a budget chip, but you keep on getting less and less cache for the money, from 2mb down to 1 and then 512. thats not going to be good for performance, no matter how hard you clock it.

[Joeteck]

they call it a pentium, but it is a core 2 duo with 1mb total cache, so 512kb each core.

i'm not sure if they are allendale, and just have half of the cache disabled, or if they have a native 1mb total cache. i would guess they are allendale for now, but i'm sure intel will come out with a new core soon that IS native 2x512kb.


So its a dual core celeron with a funky name

the real question is, what mobo's can see them??

[MadMan007]

They are single core. Should work in mobos that take C2Ds? Maybe a BIOS update is needed to recognize the CPU though.

[BossBorot]

where are the fry's combos with these cheap core2 processors? the cheapest they have is the e4300 combo :cry:

[nd4spdbh2]

where are the fry's combos with these cheap core2 processors? the cheapest they have is the e4300 combo :cry:


OMG serious.... an E2140 and ecs mobo combo would make a KILLLER budget rig. but you cant complaing about the 130 dollar combo deal they have on the E4300 and PT890T-A mobo they have everynow and then.


And as stated these conroe-L celersons are single core chips.

[benbaked]

OMG serious.... an E2140 and ecs mobo combo would make a KILLLER budget rig. but you cant complaing about the 130 dollar combo deal they have on the E4300 and PT890T-A mobo they have everynow and then.


Yup, I couldn't complain about the $200 E6600 combo they had a few weeks back. Nor could I pass it up.

My unopened ECS board is just begging for one of these new Celerons, but I'm going to wait for the oem Pentium "E"s to come down to the oem Brisbane 3600+ prices before I feed this system its only missing part.

[FlahsMemory]

I wonder if they are better than the other pentium 4 single cores like the EE 3+ ghz. That would be a good comparison.

[JCLW]

The real name for the Celeron-L is "Core 2 Solo" (C2S).

What makes them very appealing is the TDP - 35W.

[Burninate]

I wonder if they are better than the other pentium 4 single cores like the EE 3+ ghz. That would be a good comparison.

There was a thread a couple of days ago comparing these Celerons to the AMD FX-57 both clocked right around 3Ghz. These celerons were able to match the performance and sometimes beat the performance of the AMD FX-57 (in single thread Apps of course). I'm pretty sure that the FX-57 chips were quite a bit faster than any of the P4 chips.

Link to thread:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=516089

These are definitely chips worth considering when on a tight budget or just getting something to hold you over until price cuts next month or just for fun.

[nd4spdbh2]

The real name for the Celeron-L is "Core 2 Solo" (C2S).

What makes them very appealing is the TDP - 35W.


ya they have a way lowwattage TDP... heck the stock cooler they come with is half as tall as the stock cooler that an E6600 comes with... check it out

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=148382

[One Bull]

hmm this isn't so bad, would make a nice single core chip (for whoever still uses those) because it's pretty powerfull AND because conroe's and celerons are known to oc like idiots :D

[eternaljammer]

hmm this isn't so bad, would make a nice single core chip (for whoever still uses those) because it's pretty powerfull AND because conroe's and celerons are known to oc like idiots :D
Intel Rocks!:attn:

[Hazaro]

That's crazy cheap, for basically a single core (Core 2)...

[sno.lcn]

So its a dual core celeron with a funky name

the real question is, what mobo's can see them??
No, it's more like a watered-down conroe, not a celeron. It is in fact a core 2 duo labeled "pentium."

Any mobo that can see an e4xxx should be able to see them fine :)

[Joeteck]

hmm this isn't so bad, would make a nice single core chip (for whoever still uses those) because it's pretty powerfull AND because conroe's and celerons are known to oc like idiots :D

Well for starters, I build office PC's like mad here. I would be getting the Celeron-L's now, instead of the Celeron D's... ;) Power without the price, baby.

[Joeteck]

They are single core. Should work in mobos that take C2Ds? Maybe a BIOS update is needed to recognize the CPU though.

I was talking about the e2140

[Joeteck]

The e2140 and e2160 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2841&sSpec=&OrdCode=) are NOT using the core 2 series core...

Its using the Pentium core, like the Intel 805 series... Like the 805, the caches are not shared...

The e4300 & e4400 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2558&sSpec=&OrdCode=) are using the core 2 series core....

[sno.lcn]

The e2140 and e2160 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2841&sSpec=&OrdCode=) are NOT using the core 2 series core...

Its using the Pentium core, like the Intel 805 series... Like the 805, the caches are not shared...

The e4300 & e4400 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2558&sSpec=&OrdCode=) are using the core 2 series core....
Dude, you can't compare these things to a smithfield. And they ARE based on conroe, not pentium. Pentium is just a name.

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_2.html#sect0

[Joeteck]

Dude, you can't compare these things to a smithfield. And they ARE based on conroe, not pentium. Pentium is just a name.

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_2.html#sect0


If you were correct, then Intel would not have the separated from the core 2 duo lineup... Which they clearly are...

[sno.lcn]

If you were correct, then Intel would not have the separated from the core 2 duo lineup... Which they clearly are...
And they would still be smithfield/pressler cores right?


Did you even read that first article I linked?

...So what exactly IS the Pentium E2100 series? What we basically have here is a stripped down, low-clocked “Conroe” processor, which is the architecture used in the initial Core 2 Duo product lineup. “Conroe” cores typically have 4 MB of shared L2 cache and start at clock speeds of 1.86 GHz and higher. Low-end Conroe processors like the Core 2 Duo E6320 start at about $170 today. Pentium-E2100 processors are starting at around $90, however, almost half the cost of the cheapest Core 2 Duo....

[Evilsizer]

you know i was in a debate with someone else about this same thing. just cause intel changes the name of the model. Doesnt change the fact its still Core 2 tech under the hood. Celery 420/430/440,E2140/E2160,E4300-E6850, all of that listed is core 2. It's gonna be core 2 from now on. why would intel go backwards by releasing new "netburst" cpus?

its just like when amd did the sempron's its still based on althon tech.

[dudleycpa]

Man Intel sure did make this confusing.

Look at this from X-bit labs if you still don't believe me:

In the meanwhile, Intel continues to expand their product range on Core micro-architecture. And this expansion is very actively moving to the “bottom” of the market, towards inexpensive solutions. Core 2 Duo E4000 processors supporting 800MHz bus and based on Allendale core with L2 cache cut down to 2MB started selling just recently. Any day now they should also start offering single-core Celeron 400 with Conroe-L core that will replace Celeron D processor family.

The Pentium D processors are also destined to soon leave the stage for good, they will be eventually replaced with CPUs on Core micro-architecture. However, Intel is intending to replace Pentium D processors not with the new low-cost Core 2 Duo CPUs, but with a special dual-core processor series that will be selling under the same brand name but will have new ratings and progressive micro-architecture. In other words, Pentium D will be replaced with Pentium E2000 that strangely enough have nothing to do with the older CPUs bearing the same name.

[Joeteck]

Man Intel sure did make this confusing.



You got that right!!! I do not want to get into a screaming match with you guys about this...

I'm just reading what the website says... If it were to fall under the core 2 core, I would be on the same page.

But regardless who is right, they're still a great segway CPU for the budget minded.

[dudleycpa]

But regardless who is right, they're still a great segway CPU for the budget minded.

That we can agree on.

[Joeteck]

http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/dual-core/index.htm

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/index.htm

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Joe, i can promise you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the e2140 and e2160 are C2D. :)

[Joeteck]

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/

[Joeteck]

Joe, i can promise you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the e2140 and e2160 are C2D. :)

ok, this stuff is confusing....my head hurts...

[sno.lcn]

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/
lol that's the same article I posted above, and then I posted a quote from it, which said it is in fact core 2 :o

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5114748&postcount=36 ;)

[Gautam]

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_Pentium_E2140_Dual_Core_Processor/

I don't get it. The links that you yourself provided clearly state that the "Pentium Dual Cores" are Conroe based. Regardless of what Intel calls them, that's what they are. Core2's with less FSB and less cache, not at all related to Netburst.

[benbaked]

Maybe intel should put a label on the new Pentium boxes that reads "Features Intel next-generation Core Microarchitecture".

The whole Core name for the processors and then also naming the microarchitecture itself "Core" is what I think is confusing people. The Pentiums have essentially taken over Intel's low-end lineup, and the Celerons have become ultra-low-end.

Intel is not making any newer processors based on Netburst architecture. If the E2140 was based upon NetBurst then why would Intel be selling it with such a low clock speed (1.6)? There is no way it could compete in the marketplace if it were based upon NetBurst and only running at 1.6 GHz. Being that its based upon the Core microarchitecture it competes quite well against Pentium Ds running at a twice as fast clock speed.

[Joeteck]

I don't get it. The links that you yourself provided clearly state that the "Pentium Dual Cores" are Conroe based. Regardless of what Intel calls them, that's what they are. Core2's with less FSB and less cache, not at all related to Netburst.

Yeah, the name Pentium is back, as they're calling it the new "Pentium dual core", but not naming them with the core 2 name badge.

Pentium Dual-core e2140. not Core 2 duo e2140... which it clearly is...